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	<title>Comments on: Test your webpages with an online screen reader</title>
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	<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 14:12:42 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>Test your webpages with an online screen reader</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/76412/Test-your-webpages-with-an-online-screen-reader</link>	
		<description>Working on ADA compliance? Wondering how readers for the blind parse your webpages? Feed them into &lt;a href=&quot;http://webanywhere.cs.washington.edu/&quot;&gt;WebAnywhere, an online screen reader.&lt;/a&gt; Unlike other solutions, it is not a browser plugin and is free.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 13:57:02 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Foam Pants</dc:creator>		<category>webanywhere</category>		<category>screen</category>		<category>reader</category>		<category>blind</category>		<category>ADA</category>		<category>compliance</category>		<category>website</category>
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		<title>By: ardgedee</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/76412/Test-your-webpages-with-an-online-screen-reader#2334877</link>	
		<description>Excellent. Thanks for the link!</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 14:12:42 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: BitterOldPunk</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/76412/Test-your-webpages-with-an-online-screen-reader#2334882</link>	
		<description>Cool. I have a friend who really needs to be online (why? Well, cuz I say so, dammit.) who is not only functionally blind, but a technophobic megaluddite of the highest order.

He owns an astonishing number of CDs. He accessed them by having their location memorized (with enough light and a powerful magnifying glass, he can just make out some text, but obviously has a problem with metal bands, whose logos a hawk couldn&apos;t decipher with a reference book).

The he got an iPod. And we began the months-long process of digitizing his collection. Now it&apos;s all at his fingertips, all the time.

And his resistance began to melt a bit.

But he HATES his computer, he HATES not being able to read websites, and he HATES iTunes (can&apos;t blame him there).

This could be a nifty little tool for a guy like that.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 14:19:15 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: basicchannel</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/76412/Test-your-webpages-with-an-online-screen-reader#2334900</link>	
		<description>Maybe he&apos;d hate them less if he didn&apos;t purposely hamstring his experience. I&apos;m sure vision-impaired folks would prefer not to have to use this.

That said, this is fantastic! Thank you!</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 14:33:49 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: alasdair</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/76412/Test-your-webpages-with-an-online-screen-reader#2334905</link>	
		<description>Hey, this has been down various blind mailing lists for a few months - is it actually working now? Good stuff.

You might also, if online programs are your thing, like to check out:
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.satogo.com/&quot;&gt;System Access to Go&lt;/a&gt; - a complete online screenreader, reads your machine. I&apos;ve read favourable things about it.
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.itzooms.com/&quot;&gt;IT Zooms&lt;/a&gt; - free online version of the Lightning Screenreader, download and run, works for one day (disclaimer: this is my company)

Offline, I&apos;d suggest the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.webbie.org.uk&quot;&gt;WebbIE text browser&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nvda-project.org/&quot;&gt;the open-source NVDA screenreader,&lt;/a&gt; and the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.screenreader.net/&quot;&gt;Thunder screenreader.&lt;/a&gt; Disclaimers again: WebbIE is me, and Thunder is my company. 

Which leads me to a quibble: if you&apos;re sighted, and you can see the page you&apos;re testing and how it is laid out, you&apos;re not really getting the blind experience. You can&apos;t help but cheat and look, and of course you know where you&apos;re heading. Use a linearising text browser like WebbIE, lose your visual formatting cues and suddenly you&apos;ll understand why the LABEL element is so important, why &quot;^&quot; is a stupid way to link to Wikipedia, why frames suck, and why having 140 links before the main text content without an H1 element is evil. More here: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.webbie.org.uk/webbiefordesigners.htm&quot;&gt;WebbIE for sighted web designers.&lt;/a&gt;



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		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 14:39:01 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>alasdair</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: letitrain</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/76412/Test-your-webpages-with-an-online-screen-reader#2334996</link>	
		<description>alasdair, I can&apos;t favorite that comment any harder.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 16:12:50 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Foam Pants</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/76412/Test-your-webpages-with-an-online-screen-reader#2335020</link>	
		<description>I sat in on a meeting of various state webmasters (state worker here) where a blind user demonstrated JAWs. Watching, er, listening to someone who is a proficient with the program was a real eye-opener. I could barely follow along as the guy zoomed through pages. It really was an entirely different way of experiencing a website.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 16:43:54 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Foam Pants</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: joeclark</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/76412/Test-your-webpages-with-an-online-screen-reader#2336353</link>	
		<description>BitterOldPunk, Web sites and iTunes are not, in general, inaccessible. Why not start him on an inexpensive Mac?</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 15:08:28 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>joeclark</dc:creator>
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