Comments on: We're Only In It For the Money

We're Only In It For the Money

Marisa Stole the Precious Thing — Fri, 21 Nov 2008 12:25:34 -0800

Somali pirates have captured a Saudi oil tanker, demanding a $25 million ransom. Somali pirates are well known and active - as of 30 September, 12 vessels remained captive and under negotiation with more than 250 crew being held hostage. But this time they may have gone too far: by capturing a ship of a Muslim nation, the pirates have drawn the ire of Somali Islamist fighters, who have vowed to combat the pirates. The pirates say they're just doing it for the cash, while some report they're living large. Who are Somalia's pirates anyway?

By: UrineSoakedRube

UrineSoakedRube — Fri, 21 Nov 2008 12:29:51 -0800

And what are they going to do with all that money?

By: resurrexit

resurrexit — Fri, 21 Nov 2008 12:34:30 -0800

Paging Pompeius Magnus!

By: eparchos

eparchos — Fri, 21 Nov 2008 12:37:44 -0800

Dangit, I wanna be a pirate :(

By: Artw

Artw — Fri, 21 Nov 2008 12:38:24 -0800

People only don't like them because of racism.

By: elwoodwiles

elwoodwiles — Fri, 21 Nov 2008 12:39:06 -0800

Okay, some advice for a less than tech-savvy firefox user who is getting tired of talking ads? I really don't want to click on anyone's wee.

By: lee

lee — Fri, 21 Nov 2008 12:41:54 -0800

Pirates Deleted Pirates

By: ZenMasterThis

ZenMasterThis — Fri, 21 Nov 2008 12:42:51 -0800

The RIAA could not be reached for comment.

By: Inspector.Gadget

Inspector.Gadget — Fri, 21 Nov 2008 12:43:30 -0800

Okay, some advice for a less than tech-savvy firefox user who is getting tired of talking ads? I really don't want to click on anyone's wee. AFLAC duck walks up to the podium, taps the mic twice, and clears his throat. ... "ADBLOCK!" Adblock Plus (Easylist subscription) + Adblock Element Hiding Helper + NoScript = you win at the internet. I also like using a HOSTS file, but I think that may be more trouble than it is worth.

By: Durn Bronzefist

Durn Bronzefist — Fri, 21 Nov 2008 12:43:37 -0800

Mom! Dad! Don't touch it -- it's evil! Wait, no, those are Time Bandits.

By: strangeleftydoublethink

strangeleftydoublethink — Fri, 21 Nov 2008 12:45:26 -0800

You see, internet, you see what happens when your innocent little memes get out of control.

By: Durn Bronzefist

Durn Bronzefist — Fri, 21 Nov 2008 12:51:27 -0800

This is what happens when you nick a freighter full of gas?

By: Sailormom

Sailormom — Fri, 21 Nov 2008 12:55:13 -0800

Send in the ninjas.

By: a3matrix

a3matrix — Fri, 21 Nov 2008 12:56:35 -0800

India is sending another vessel to the region. A destroyer class bigger than the frigate they used earlier this week to sink a pirate mother ship. I wonder if the pirates have anything they can field to counter an actual naval vessel. Perhaps an anti ship missile has been gather dust somewhere? Or maybe they will just buy a few. They seem to be garnering some serious cash with some of their ransoms.

By: Durn Bronzefist

Durn Bronzefist — Fri, 21 Nov 2008 13:00:23 -0800

As someone noted in the other pirate thread, these guys can pick up some pretty heavy weaponry from their hauls. Fricking tanks from that Ukrainian vessel. Saw note of the pirate-hunting Islamist fighters in the news earlier today, and that pretty much needs to become a graphic novel, movie, or video game, pronto.

By: proj

proj — Fri, 21 Nov 2008 13:13:34 -0800

I hope this puts the stupid pirates and ninjas memes to rest for good. There's nothing even remotely funny about this.

By: jcruelty

jcruelty — Fri, 21 Nov 2008 13:13:44 -0800

WHO DA REAL PIRATES?! And yeah this would be an awesome video game, as several have noted.

By: jcruelty

jcruelty — Fri, 21 Nov 2008 13:14:36 -0800

And actually... there is something remotely funny about this.

By: elfgirl

elfgirl — Fri, 21 Nov 2008 13:18:28 -0800

On the upside, no more worries about global warming!

By: furiousxgeorge

furiousxgeorge — Fri, 21 Nov 2008 13:30:49 -0800

a3matrix: If losing to a a Navy means the Navy sends a bigger ship, I imagine the result of actually sinking a ship would be even worse for the long term pirate business plan.

By: Artw

Artw — Fri, 21 Nov 2008 13:38:26 -0800

I suspect all this recent attention, in general, is not going to be great for the long term pirate business plan. I also suspect that the days of paying the pirates being considered acceptable behaviour are limited – that little arrangement worked when people didn't generally know or think about it, but once publiscised people are going to kick up a stink about it.

By: TheOnlyCoolTim

TheOnlyCoolTim — Fri, 21 Nov 2008 13:45:00 -0800

CLASS WAR

By: pyrex

pyrex — Fri, 21 Nov 2008 13:50:42 -0800

Considering how the world's economies are developing, pirate may be a viable career option to consider.

By: GuyZero

GuyZero — Fri, 21 Nov 2008 13:52:35 -0800

Heh, what are they goign to do... oh Glob of Mail, you're so funny: *CITI IN TALKS WITH SOMALI PIRATES FOR POSSIBLE CAPITAL INFUSION *WILL REQUIRE ALL CITI EMPLOYEES TO WEAR PATCH OVER ONE EYE *SOMALIAN PIRATES APPLY TO BECOME BANK TO ACCESS TARP *PAULSON: TARP PIRATE EQUITY IS AN `INVESTMENT,' WILL PAY OFF *KASHKARI SAYS `SOMALI PIRATES ARE 'FUNDAMENTALLY SOUND' ' *Moody's upgrade Somali Pirates to AAA

By: Smedleyman

Smedleyman — Fri, 21 Nov 2008 14:08:51 -0800

Back in late September some pirate skiffs tried to board the John Lenthall (civilians on board, but navy security teams protecting it) and they opened up on the prirates and drove them off. This is kind of why the Millenium Falcon was so bad ass. Oh sure it looks like Han Solo is doing nothing but drifting to the left in the face of being fired on. But he had a lot of illegal hardware on what was ostensibly a civilian cargo ship. Same deal. The shipping under U.S. protection is pretty well defended. For commercial carriers - you've got some legal issues sailing into port with .50's mounted at a cws on your forward hull. (Some halfwits argue they should be hidden - 'what legal problems?' - well, what's the difference between a cargo ship with guns on it and a pirate cargo ship with guns on it? Yeah, I can't tell either. Hell, some Admiral suggested they hire mercs. Yeah, if there's one thing mercinaries are, they're trustworthy when there's huge sums of money to be made. This is dog mentality. (vs. wolf mentality) Like somehow everyone is really what they seem to be and no one's going to play one off of the other or go to rip off the insurance companies - uh huh.) So some have non-lethal weaponry, LRADs (big acoustic cannons) but those can be really pricey. Oh, I might go with snipers myself (say a .50 Barrett - in part because it's not so useful offensively by pirates - and snipers have been used since ships were wind powered - what do you think those tops - the platform at the masthead - were for?), there's a variety of tactical solutions, some time tested, some technology driven, etc. but this isn't a tactical Navy problem. Somalia has mostly been forgotten by the international community . If it were my kids begging, starving or whoring in the street I'd take up piracy too. I wouldn't lay it all on Clinton. B.B. Gali and the UN sec. general went after Aideed like he was the only bad guy in the region. I won't go into UNOSOM II, but long story short - very very poor allocation of specialized strategic assets and personnel. Not to mention undermanning and underfunding the operation (much of which can be laid at the feet of the congress at the time - still Clinton was the CiC). So we should have gone in with more beef. On the other hand, I agree with Kim Abbott's assessment that currently any UN military deployment could - as is so often the case in Somalia (e.g. the Council of Somali Islamic Courts which controlled a hunko the south central region saying a few years ago while they were fighting the Ethiopians they'd wage a jihad against any foreign troops on GP - along with the Ethiopians) military intervention could exacerbate the situation even if you're just trying to deliver aid or create a cease fire - whatever. The term 'shit sandwich' comes to mind. At least in the golden age of sail, mostly all pirates did was rip off the insurance companies (who were ripping off the indigenous folks). This is anarchy. With tribal warfare, political chaos and, oh yeah, pirates sprinkled on top. Dammit I wish I was smarter.

By: Belle O'Cosity

Belle O'Cosity — Fri, 21 Nov 2008 14:17:09 -0800

Pirates sound like a joke, but this has a huge economic impact on the region. If the freighters stop using this route it will change a lot of things. It's a good sign the world should be paying some attention to north Africa.

By: Countess Elena

Countess Elena — Fri, 21 Nov 2008 14:24:39 -0800

Only in Somalia! (I promise I take this seriously, but nonetheless Weebl does not disappoint.)

By: rokusan

rokusan — Fri, 21 Nov 2008 14:27:38 -0800

Deleted Pirates That never works. They just move to a new tracker.

By: dirty lies

dirty lies — Fri, 21 Nov 2008 14:28:01 -0800

Pirates are funny, really funny. When you discuss them with your libertarian friends or acquaintances. On further thought, it is your libertarian friends or acquaintances who become funny, really funny, when you discuss pirates with them.

By: proj

proj — Fri, 21 Nov 2008 14:30:42 -0800

What do pirates have to do with libertarianism? (This isn't a rhetorical question, I've seen this reference before and don't understand it.)

By: Artw

Artw — Fri, 21 Nov 2008 14:34:16 -0800

They don't pay taxes OR use roads, making them more libertarian than libertarians.

By: Countess Elena

Countess Elena — Fri, 21 Nov 2008 14:34:44 -0800

They are never seen fighting because the promise of money keeps them together. Wounded pirates are seldom seen and our reporter says he has never heard of residents along Puntland's coast finding a body washed ashore. Huh, that's the opposite of what I would expect. I would think that piracy was dangerous enough (especially in small-scale attacks) to incur lots of injuries, and that if the injured pirates didn't recover quickly, they would be killed and dumped by their shipmates. I suppose that, since there is hardly any lawful pursuit in Somalia for law-abiding people to have, these pirates are rather a less sociopathic population than equivalent gangs of armed thieves would be elsewhere. Not that that helps a whole lot.

By: dirty lies

dirty lies — Fri, 21 Nov 2008 14:37:47 -0800

And regarding the question about the Somali pirates sinking a navy ship, look at what happened when they downed an helicopter during Operation Gothic Serpent¹, using an old RPG fired straight up from the ground². 1. Night of the Living Brownies, the movie, is based on Black Hawk Down, the book, which is based on Operation Gothic Serpent, the USA special forces operation. 2. Firing an RPG straight up from the ground rates just above Firing and RPG from inside an enclosed vehicle in cracked.com's list of The ten messiest ways to kill yourself list.

By: rokusan

rokusan — Fri, 21 Nov 2008 14:42:54 -0800

Night of the Living Brownies, the movie, is based on Black Hawk Down, the book, which is based on Operation Gothic Serpent. Wow. Kudos to Ridley Scott for getting the least-gay title option, anyway.

By: ersatz

ersatz — Fri, 21 Nov 2008 14:44:21 -0800

What do pirates have to do with libertarianism? All for none and none for all. Nice post title. The meek shall inherit nothing.

By: dirty lies

dirty lies — Fri, 21 Nov 2008 14:45:17 -0800

http://www.metafilter.com/65980/China-Mi%C3%A9ville-says-libertarianisms-all-at-sea

By: Smedleyman

Smedleyman — Fri, 21 Nov 2008 14:49:16 -0800

Yo ho hoo-be Jawn Galt, aarr!?

By: Bokononist

Bokononist — Fri, 21 Nov 2008 15:51:28 -0800

You wouldn't steal an oil tanker, would you?

By: atrazine

atrazine — Fri, 21 Nov 2008 15:58:57 -0800

Well, I think these pirate chaps have really done it now. When they were taking Liberian registered panamaxes carrying prunes or dates or whatever crewed by Philipinos, no-one cared all that much. But now, they've touched the oil (which must flow etc.) the Saudis will not like this. They'll negotiate to get their $100M asset back, and then, there will be blood. Expect those islamists in Somalia to suddenly get themselves a whole bunch of new weapons and cash, it wouldn't surprise me to see some of these pirates in a Riyadh square a few months from now getting the old choppy choppy. Incidentally, the reasons that no-one has armed mercs on board are: a) What crew would operate under those conditions? Do you want to be captured after killing only a few of the pirates? b) Insurance won't cover those ships

By: delmoi

delmoi — Fri, 21 Nov 2008 16:11:00 -0800

The reason this isn't (or hasn't been) dangerous for the pirates is that the ship crews generally don't fight back. There's no reason too, since it's no skin off their back and their employer will usually pay the ransom.

By: Smedleyman

Smedleyman — Fri, 21 Nov 2008 16:31:18 -0800

Something that's always seemed bizarre to me - really big crimes - meh. Not so big crimes, but flashy, OMG! I mean, $25 million is chump change. We lost what, $9 billion in Iraq? I know, not related- I'm just sayin' perspective/ media attention/ public outrage/ all that - and Ok, WorldCom honcho Bernard Ebbers got 25 years, but you've got guys (under the three strikes law) like Rene Landa serving 27 to life for stealing a spare tire, or forging a check or stealing pizza. The articles here saying pirates live a life of luxury, all that, seem of a similar vein. (Not that I empathize with them.) I get why the attention is there. Just kinda weird.

By: Durn Bronzefist

Durn Bronzefist — Fri, 21 Nov 2008 16:41:20 -0800

ship crews generally don't fight back. There's no reason too, since it's no skin off their back and their employer will usually pay the ransom. Added to which, they're usually not permitted to be armed, as this short but informative piece from the Globe explains.

By: GrammarMoses

GrammarMoses — Fri, 21 Nov 2008 17:13:08 -0800

P.S. eponysterical.

By: Fuzzy Monster

Fuzzy Monster — Fri, 21 Nov 2008 18:14:57 -0800

I heard that on the DVD of the Watchmen movie they're going to do the pirate story with all Somali pirates.

By: graventy

graventy — Fri, 21 Nov 2008 20:23:32 -0800

The reason this isn't (or hasn't been) dangerous for the pirates is that the ship crews generally don't fight back. The same was true for airplane hijackers before 9/11 CHANGED EVERYTHING. I suppose the boat occupants will rise up against hijackers after they start ramming tall buildings.

By: paisley henosis

paisley henosis — Fri, 21 Nov 2008 20:46:18 -0800

History Channel did a piece a while back on modern pirates, and laid the blame for the rise in piracy on the end of the Cold War. Said that without those massive navies circling around keeping an eye on each other, the seas were wide open again. I don't know enough about piracy, or seafairing, to have an opinion on that, but that is how they saw it.

By: paisley henosis

paisley henosis — Fri, 21 Nov 2008 20:51:47 -0800

Also: piracy is no laughing matter. But I find it endlessly intriguing that a handful of poor, disenfranchised people, be they Somali, or Phillipino, or what-have-you, can have a very real, noticeable affect on the entire world. A half-dozen guys, with guns and speed boats, and they can require much richer, and more powerful nations to mobilize flotillas, just to vanish back to their homes when The Western Navies show up. Hard to imagine, in this day and age, the gnat dictating the behavior of the elephant.

By: jcworth

jcworth — Fri, 21 Nov 2008 20:57:17 -0800

nothing funny about pirates. My sister in laws father was murdered @ high sea by pirates. Laughing about pirates is no better than cheering on an online suicide. Really, what has happened to us? Were we this cold hearted before, but anonymity exacerbates it? pardon in advance my curmudgeonliness.

By: rdr

rdr — Fri, 21 Nov 2008 22:36:22 -0800

The thing I don't understand about the pirates attacking the Indian warship story is what the pirates thought was going to happen. I understand them the pirates bluffing and hoping that warship does not engage them but why in the world would you fire at a frigate? I did some googling and I found a story back in April announcing that seven Somali pirates might be subject to the death penalty for piracy in Puntland but I never found any news on what actually happened to them. I found other stories about pirates being put ashore after being detained for a few days. Are conditions in Somalia so bad that the loss of a mother ship is equivalent to a death sentence?

By: dirigibleman

dirigibleman — Fri, 21 Nov 2008 23:00:56 -0800

Wait, the pirates had a Mother Ship??? A Mother Ship?? ?

By: delmoi

delmoi — Fri, 21 Nov 2008 23:12:59 -0800

Nothing is less funny then people trying to dictate what is and isn't funny.

By: KokuRyu

KokuRyu — Fri, 21 Nov 2008 23:22:59 -0800

Wait, the pirates had a Mother Ship??? A Mother Ship?? Since the attacks usually occur far out (hundreds of kilometers) at sea, you need a bigger vessel that is more seaworthy and can carry supplies for a long period of time. However, you need smaller, agile ships to scout for, and then board cargo ships. Hence the larger vessel acts as a mother ship.

By: adamvasco

adamvasco — Sat, 22 Nov 2008 00:41:53 -0800

Why pay many million dollars ransome, with the near certainty of a repeat hijack when for a few million you can persuade your more militant followers to metaphorically chop off the pirate's heads in the name of Allah the most merciful for daring to fuck with the man.

By: Mitrovarr

Mitrovarr — Sat, 22 Nov 2008 01:22:09 -0800

I don't really see this piracy thing lasting too much longer. It only survives because nobody is bothering to combat it. If the pirates managed to piss off a major power - I mean really piss them off, not just annoy them - they'll get eradicated. They could neither survive nor successfully flee a modern navy, not with radar, aircraft, and submarines. Also, a real criminal or terrorist organization would make mincemeat. Eventually someone, somewhere will be fed up, and they'll be eradicated in the manner most befitting the power who does it (if it's the US, they'll end up in Guantanamo.) And that will mostly be that.

By: Skeptic

Skeptic — Sat, 22 Nov 2008 08:00:11 -0800

One aspect of this which is being curiously ignored by the media is that of the intermediaries transmitting the money to the pirates. Turns out many payments are carried out through shipping firms in the City of London. In fact, at least one Spanish shipowner has already wondered aloud whether the real pirates are in Somalia or London (Of course, in all matters of piracy, we Spaniards tend to be rather suspicious of any involvement by perfidous Albion. Some deep historical memories there...) Note that the same article also mentions that in other cases the payments are carried out directly by mercenary firms, mostly ex-SAS people. That raises even uglier questions about potential collusion...

By: spicynuts

spicynuts — Sat, 22 Nov 2008 08:15:55 -0800

Expect those islamists in Somalia to suddenly get themselves a whole bunch of new weapons and cash, it wouldn't surprise me to see some of these pirates in a Riyadh square a few months from now getting the old choppy choppy. Saw a History Channel show (or was it Discovery...not sure) on modern pirates in the shipping channels. They showed actual footage of a bunch of pirates captured by the Chinese. The Chinese don't fuck around as we know. These pirates didn't get the choppy choppy, they got the shooty shooty - right in the head, in the public square, filmed for posterity. History Channel showed the whole thing. Said that after this footage was distributed, piracy against Chinese ships plummetted to about zero. Not sure when this was.

By: infini

infini — Sat, 22 Nov 2008 13:19:36 -0800

I have to say this that I found the whole "Indian navy wades in to save the day" quite romantic ;p

By: rokusan

rokusan — Sat, 22 Nov 2008 17:43:18 -0800

Well, it seems that they keep their word, anyway.

By: unofficialsquaw.com

unofficialsquaw.com — Sun, 23 Nov 2008 14:59:15 -0800

The problem is that somalia is a double choke point, if you look at the map of pirated ships you'll see most of the taken vessels were going to the suez canal but, as this pirate FAQ from a ship's captain states, the tankers leaving the gulf and going south to round the horn of Africa also must pass by somalia.

By: adamvasco

adamvasco — Fri, 28 Nov 2008 03:02:51 -0800

An American businesswoman with connections to U.S. intelligence and the military has been talking with the Somali pirates.

By: infini

infini — Fri, 28 Nov 2008 03:47:25 -0800

imho, the implications of these two snippets from the same article are extremely intriguing Frustrated with the pirates, a senior government official told ABC News, "It's pretty sad when a horse country socialite has more sway in Somalia than the whole U.S. government." According to Newland, the American businesswoman is greeted like royalty in Somalia, adding that the Somalis like her because she identifies their needs and comes up with solutions so they can support themselves. She is reportedly known in Somalia as Amira, or "Princess" in Arabic.

By: Marisa Stole the Precious Thing

Marisa Stole the Precious Thing — Fri, 28 Nov 2008 05:45:28 -0800

From the ABC article:

"Michele Ballarin has gone over there for five years on her own, built a network of clan and sub-clan leaders in every region of the country," Ross Newland, a business colleague of Ballarin's, told ABC News Wednesday. Ballarin, who has traveled to Somalia many times, returned just last week from a two-week trip to the troubled country, Newland said. Her travels coincided with the recent spate of pirate attacks off the Somali coast.

Who is Michele Ballarin? The chief executive of Select Armor - a US military firm based in Virginia. This article from 2006 says:

Michele Ballarin, a listed contact at Select Armor also writes, "'My contact whom we discussed from the agency side requested an in-person meeting with me. I arrived in New York at 2340 last night and was driven to Virginia – arriving at 0200 today.'" – which the Observer takes to refer to the CIA.

She also donated $2300 to Hilary Clinton's campaign last February. Is that relevant, you ask? Everything is relevant when you're talking pirates!

By: lee

lee — Sat, 29 Nov 2008 10:16:04 -0800

Mummy, can I phone the pirates? Reporter calls the pirated tanker so many times that her 12 year old daughter asks if she can call. Includes audio of reporter and ship captain.

By: adamvasco

adamvasco — Thu, 11 Dec 2008 04:18:08 -0800

U.S. proposes going ashore to hunt pirates.