Comments on: ANCIENT GANJA STASHES FOUND IN CHINA

ANCIENT GANJA STASHES FOUND IN CHINA

terranova — Sat, 29 Nov 2008 19:25:00 -0800

The Western press is heralding the discovery of the "world's oldest marijuana stash" (789 grams) in the tomb of a 2,700-year-old blond-haired, blue-eyed mummy in the Xinjiang region of China (photo). The mummy is believed to be a Nordic-featured Gushi shaman from the Tarim Basin. Scientists conjecture that the cannabis was being saved for use in the afterlife. In actuality, according to the Journal of Experimental Botany, the stash is the oldest pot to be tested for its properties. In 2006, the Chinese press reported that Chinese scientists had unearthed an older marijuana "baggy" in a 2,800-year-old Caucasian shaman's Xinjiang tomb.

By: fourcheesemac

fourcheesemac — Sat, 29 Nov 2008 19:32:40 -0800

Russo is a full-time consultant with GW Pharmaceuticals, which makes Sativex, a cannabis-based medicine approved in Canada for pain linked to multiple sclerosis and cancer. The company operates a cannabis-testing laboratory at a secret location in southern England to monitor crop quality for producing Sativex, and allowed Russo use of the facility for tests on 11 grams of the tomb cannabis. No comment.

By: D.C.

D.C. — Sat, 29 Nov 2008 19:33:35 -0800

The caption in the photo link implies that it's a stock photo, not the actual find.

By: DU

DU — Sat, 29 Nov 2008 19:36:06 -0800

Not to derail from the EXPERIMENTAL BOTANY ~~HUFF PUFF~~HURF DURF that's about to ensue, but you had me at "2,7000-year-old blond-haired, blue-eyed mummy in China". More info

By: acro

acro — Sat, 29 Nov 2008 19:37:32 -0800

The 789 grams of dried cannabis was buried alongside a light-haired, blue-eyed Caucasian man, as a warning to the dangers of this potent gateway drug.

By: gman

gman — Sat, 29 Nov 2008 19:37:40 -0800

I'll bet it's dirt weed.

By: cjorgensen

cjorgensen — Sat, 29 Nov 2008 19:39:42 -0800

The 2,700 year old stuff is fine, but once it gets to 2,800 it's a bit stale. Trust me.

By: jonmc

jonmc — Sat, 29 Nov 2008 19:41:09 -0800

I'm buried with the chinese pot They found it diggin' in the right spot I'm buried on chinese pot Everything is in the pine box...

By: homunculus

homunculus — Sat, 29 Nov 2008 19:45:48 -0800

The Dead Tell a Tale China Doesn't Care to Listen To

By: cjorgensen

cjorgensen — Sat, 29 Nov 2008 19:46:53 -0800

Say what you will about the Ming vases, I prefer the pot.

By: Wataki

Wataki — Sat, 29 Nov 2008 19:47:51 -0800

Let me be the first to suggest that the Justified Ancients of Mu Mu are somehow involved.

By: Eekacat

Eekacat — Sat, 29 Nov 2008 19:53:26 -0800

The caption in the photo link implies that it's a stock photo, not the actual find. posted by D.C. Dude!

By: Eekacat

Eekacat — Sat, 29 Nov 2008 19:54:09 -0800

Actually, if there are seeds, it would be interesting to see if they'll grow, and then see what the BC breeders can come up with...

By: mmahaffie

mmahaffie — Sat, 29 Nov 2008 20:01:46 -0800

If you are a shaman, and have the oomph to get buried well enough to be a mummy in a few thousand years, you probably don't have to put up with either seeds or stems in your stash.

By: Demogorgon

Demogorgon — Sat, 29 Nov 2008 20:03:34 -0800

Eekacat: The 18 researchers, most of them based in China, subjected the cannabis to a battery of tests, including carbon dating and genetic analysis. Scientists also tried to germinate 100 of the seeds found in the cache, without success.

By: cjorgensen

cjorgensen — Sat, 29 Nov 2008 20:04:25 -0800

And seeds that old probably wouldn't germinate.

By: Maias

Maias — Sat, 29 Nov 2008 20:10:26 -0800

was smoking a hit part of the "battery"? if not, i wonder if it's still psychoactive.

By: UbuRoivas

UbuRoivas — Sat, 29 Nov 2008 20:17:42 -0800

if this is the same discovery that i'm thinking of, it's at least a few years old. national geographic did a story on it, meticulously recording the funerary relics, but for some reason *completely failing to mention* the pot stash.

By: dhammond

dhammond — Sat, 29 Nov 2008 20:19:00 -0800

The "Western Press" needs to stop snitchin'.

By: pravit

pravit — Sat, 29 Nov 2008 20:20:14 -0800

I have trouble following the logic of the NYT article homunculus links to. The PRC government's claim to sovereignty over the region has never been on the grounds of "which people settled first." The region's been controlled by Mongols, Kirghiz, and Uyghurs over the years, but everybody agrees Han Chinese certainly weren't the first. I've always found the Western fascination with the Tarim mummies somewhat strange; there are plenty of living people with Caucasoid features, reddish hair, and blue eyes to be seen around Xinjiang and Central Asia. The discovery of similar-looking mummies should hardly be surprising.

By: KokuRyu

KokuRyu — Sat, 29 Nov 2008 20:22:15 -0800

Fascinating post! Wikipedia on Tocharians (Caucasian residents of the Tarim Basin) + North Silk Road More Silk Road Japan was the ancient terminus of the Silk Road, and I (like a lot of other tourists) have had the chance to check out some sites in Nara linked with Silk Road culture, notably Horyuji Temple. It is amazing and profound to be able to look at a fresco or an artifact from that period. It's like looking back in time. About 2000 years ago, Japanese culture revolved around building ceremonial mounds or tumulus, which usually served as graves. Many of the graves contain artifacts from the Turim Basin or even farther west, indicating that there was intermarriage between Silk Road travelers and local Japanese nobility.

By: KokuRyu

KokuRyu — Sat, 29 Nov 2008 20:34:05 -0800

I've always found the Western fascination with the Tarim mummies somewhat strange I agree - getting hung up on the physical or "racial" features of the mummies is a little weird. I think it's because most (Western) folks without some sort of background in anthropology or archaeology are unaware of where the Tarim Basin actually is. In the West, there isn't a lot of scholarly attention paid to Japan or even China. For example, I think there is really only one "definitive" complete, one-volume history of China, Jonathon D. Spence's 'The Search for Modern China', which is kind of unusual, given the sheer physical size and historic importance of that country. So there is still a lot of work to be done (in the West) on describing the history of "lesser civilizations" in Central Asia, so I guess a lot of people are going to be surprised that it was blond-haired, blue-eyed people with ponytails that helped transmit Buddhism to China.

By: gman

gman — Sat, 29 Nov 2008 20:54:45 -0800

That shit'll suck the life out of you.

By: Sockpuppet For Naughty Things

Sockpuppet For Naughty Things — Sat, 29 Nov 2008 21:02:00 -0800

was smoking a hit part of the "battery"? if not, i wonder if it's still psychoactive. I think I speak for stoners everywhere when I say that I really hope someone got the chance to smoke this. I would give it a try, though I'd expect nastiness and no high.

By: rokusan

rokusan — Sat, 29 Nov 2008 21:11:31 -0800

There are plenty of living people with Caucasoid features, reddish hair, and blue eyes to be seen around Xinjiang and Central Asia. Yeah, but they're all hitting on 14 year old girls.

By: grounded

grounded — Sat, 29 Nov 2008 21:17:12 -0800

Wow. Those dudes had weed up the Xinjiang.

By: b1tr0t

b1tr0t — Sat, 29 Nov 2008 21:23:33 -0800

so I guess a lot of people are going to be surprised that it was blond-haired, blue-eyed people with ponytails that helped transmit Buddhism to China. Don't forget sandals and tie-dye.

By: Eekacat

Eekacat — Sat, 29 Nov 2008 21:24:56 -0800

cjorgenson: There is this Missed that in the article that they had tried. Bummer.

By: Burhanistan

Burhanistan — Sat, 29 Nov 2008 21:38:57 -0800

Don't shamen usually use higher order psychotropic enthnogens that produce effects on par with LSD/DMT? Maybe he was just an ordinary pothead.

By: yeloson

yeloson — Sat, 29 Nov 2008 21:44:52 -0800

China: Home of Paper and Weed

By: vronsky

vronsky — Sat, 29 Nov 2008 21:48:45 -0800

I wonder if he smoked it in his hong kong long bong?

By: Marisa Stole the Precious Thing

Marisa Stole the Precious Thing — Sat, 29 Nov 2008 21:50:58 -0800

Xinjiang is one region of the world that has always fascinated me. It still amazes me to think of how many nations have stretched across those deserts over the centuries, how the Silk Road was probably the real beginning of international commerce, how many great cultures have risen and fallen into oblivion through Central Asia. That place is the heart of the world.

By: infini

infini — Sat, 29 Nov 2008 21:52:45 -0800

you all do know that the worship of Shiva entails inhaling very deeply and saying "boom shanker" don't you? *innocent face*

By: Mr_Zero

Mr_Zero — Sat, 29 Nov 2008 21:53:19 -0800

Less than two pounds? I wonder how long that was supposed to last him in the afterlife?

By: TheOnlyCoolTim

TheOnlyCoolTim — Sat, 29 Nov 2008 21:53:24 -0800

The substance has been found in two of the 500 Gushi tombs excavated so far in northwestern China, indicating that cannabis was either restricted for use by a few individuals or was administered as a medicine to others through shamans, Russo said. I like to question archeological assumptions like this. Maybe only 2 of 500 tombs had pot in them because only 2 of 500 Gushi were such enormous fucking potheads that they requested to be buried with their stash.

By: netbros

netbros — Sat, 29 Nov 2008 22:00:29 -0800

How many pancakes does it take to build a doghouse? None. Alligators can't fly.

By: Marisa Stole the Precious Thing

Marisa Stole the Precious Thing — Sat, 29 Nov 2008 22:01:26 -0800

I like to question archeological assumptions like this. Maybe only 2 of 500 tombs had pot in them because only 2 of 500 Gushi were such enormous fucking potheads that they requested to be buried with their stash. Tomb Raider: Seattle Edition

By: infini

infini — Sat, 29 Nov 2008 22:34:20 -0800

i find it fascinating that i'm sitting here commenting from schiphol airport

By: twoleftfeet

twoleftfeet — Sat, 29 Nov 2008 22:59:53 -0800

That was during the Bong Dynasty, right?

By: Sticherbeast

Sticherbeast — Sat, 29 Nov 2008 23:06:25 -0800

The Western press is heralding the discovery of the "world's oldest marijuana stash" We already knew where Willie Nelson's beard was.

By: Abiezer

Abiezer — Sat, 29 Nov 2008 23:17:35 -0800

I think there is really only one "definitive" complete, one-volume history of China, Jonathon D. Spence's 'The Search for Modern China', which is kind of unusual, given the sheer physical size and historic importance of that country We were taught our introduction to Chinese history using Jacques Gernet's A History of Chinese Civilization and there was also a good slim volume by a Polish historian whose name escapes me, so perhaps you could say it's a problem of Anglophone historiography more than a Western one. The other Gernet book I particularly enjoyed was a fascinating look at the economics of early Chinese Buddhism, but like his general history it wasn't available in English until many years after first publication in French.

By: Tehanu

Tehanu — Sat, 29 Nov 2008 23:18:19 -0800

If they found the skinny blonde guy next to a stash and a big dude in a coat, then I suspect evidence tampering.

By: Mr_Zero

Mr_Zero — Sat, 29 Nov 2008 23:20:37 -0800

I Googled Gushi and it translates to Lebowski. Does that mean anything to anybody?

By: brain cloud

brain cloud — Sat, 29 Nov 2008 23:27:03 -0800

Still waiting for them to unearth he 2,800-year-old bag of Fritos and a copy of Dark Side of the Moon.

By: telstar

telstar — Sun, 30 Nov 2008 00:17:29 -0800

Still waiting for 40-year old cliches of cannabis use to fade away.

By: mullingitover

mullingitover — Sun, 30 Nov 2008 02:55:12 -0800

There are still blue-eyed people in Xinjiang.

By: mandal

mandal — Sun, 30 Nov 2008 03:30:57 -0800

Less than two pounds? I wonder how long that was supposed to last him in the afterlife? In the afterlife 1kg is the maximum allowance for personal use.

By: Restless Day

Restless Day — Sun, 30 Nov 2008 04:06:11 -0800

DAT IZ VAUGHN BODE.

By: gman

gman — Sun, 30 Nov 2008 06:55:42 -0800

you all do know that the worship of Shiva entails inhaling very deeply and saying "boom shanker" don't you? infini - You bring back bad memories of a certain group of backpackers and their God damn chillums.

By: jamstigator

jamstigator — Sun, 30 Nov 2008 07:13:33 -0800

In other news, Nancy Reagan lambasts Chinese drug-using mummies, imploring them to just say no.

By: porn in the woods

porn in the woods — Sun, 30 Nov 2008 07:23:44 -0800

Update: They just got this ancient marijuana into the lab, but they rolled up and burned a cocaine blunt, spoiling it for potency tests.

By: msconduct

msconduct — Sun, 30 Nov 2008 07:34:52 -0800

and this whole time i thought i thought 'ancient chinese secret' was a water softener.

By: dilettante

dilettante — Sun, 30 Nov 2008 10:18:08 -0800

We already knew where Willie Nelson's beard was. Coincidentally, one of those mummies looks a lot like Willie Nelson.

By: moonmilk

moonmilk — Sun, 30 Nov 2008 11:49:07 -0800

A cautionary tale about old pot.

By: CitizenD

CitizenD — Sun, 30 Nov 2008 12:25:14 -0800

and this whole time i thought i thought 'ancient chinese secret' was a water softener. i thought it was a douche.

By: Flunkie

Flunkie — Sun, 30 Nov 2008 12:28:29 -0800

Scientists conjecture that the cannabis was being saved for use in the afterlife.

Sheesh. Now that is some hardcore bogarting.

By: The Whelk

The Whelk — Sun, 30 Nov 2008 12:42:14 -0800

A cautionary tale about old pot. As the Boomers grow up my mental image of habitual pot-users has morphed from teenagers with drums to slightly crusty older academic types with 2 kids and lots of African crap on the walls. Bow-tie is the new tie-dye.

By: The Whelk

The Whelk — Sun, 30 Nov 2008 12:44:32 -0800

In other news, Nancy Reagan lambasts Chinese drug-using mummies, imploring them to just say no. (represses urge to make a cheap " drug-using mummy" joke.)

By: ersatz

ersatz — Sun, 30 Nov 2008 15:59:03 -0800

If life was fair, there'd be a Conan pastiche called The Tomb of Tarim Basin. Do you recommend 'The Search for Modern China', KokuRyu?

By: [expletive deleted]

[expletive deleted] — Sun, 30 Nov 2008 16:13:14 -0800

Mullingitover, that is a fantastic set you linked. Anyone familiar with the region wouldn't be surprised that these mummies have Caucasoid features. A few hundred years after that stash was found, the dominant language in the region would have been Greek. Today, people in Xinjiang, even withing the same family, can look so different from one another than one can look Scandinavian, another South Asian, another Middle Eastern and another East Asian. That said, if there was to be any place where people would display such amazing diversity of appearance, it would make sense that it would be Central Asia.

By: UbuRoivas

UbuRoivas — Sun, 30 Nov 2008 17:27:07 -0800

mullingitover, [expletive deleted] and others interested in the caucasians-in-China thing: see this previous thread - The lost tribe of Alexander.

By: UbuRoivas

UbuRoivas — Sun, 30 Nov 2008 17:30:57 -0800

and this one: Some Romans may have lived in ancient China. A few Chinese citizens today in the Gansu province have curly blonde hair and European features. It seems possible now that captured Roman soldiers settled in parts of China.

By: zardoz

zardoz — Sun, 30 Nov 2008 22:32:41 -0800

Actually, if there are seeds, it would be interesting to see if they'll grow, and then see what the BC breeders can come up with... "Dude!" "Dude, I know, it's wicked, right? It's called Chinese Mummy. They found this old stash of weed with a mummy in China--" "I thought mummies were from Egypt." "...yeah...well, I guess they were in China, too" *laughs* "So, anyway, they found this stash and someone smuggled a couple of the seeds and started growing plants from it, and that's what we are now smoking. See those Chinese people in your peripheral vision?" "Fuck, dude, yes! I thought I was just high! Fuck!" "That's what happens when you smoke weed from a Chinese mummy, dude..." *both laugh hysterically* /scene

By: gman

gman — Thu, 04 Dec 2008 19:11:24 -0800

Here are photos of the ACTUAL marijuana.