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	<title>Comments on: &quot;It&apos;s great to do something that has an effect on British culture&quot;</title>
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	<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 07:55:35 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>&quot;It&apos;s great to do something that has an effect on British culture&quot;</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/77026/Its-great-to-do-something-that-has-an-effect-on-British-culture</link>	
		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.tate.org.uk/britain/turnerprize/turnerprize2008/artists/leckey_video.shtm&quot;&gt;Mark&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/in_pictures/7759698.stm&quot;&gt;Leckey&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.frieze.com/issue/review/mark_leckey/&quot;&gt;has&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.tate.org.uk/servlet/ViewWork?cgroupid=999999961&amp;workid=84098&amp;searchid=9450&quot;&gt;won&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.mirror.co.uk/celebs/latest/2008/12/02/felix-the-cat-artist-mark-leckey-wins-turner-prize-115875-20940764/&quot;&gt; the&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.guardian.co.uk/artanddesign/2008/dec/01/turner-prize-mark-leckey&quot;&gt;Turner&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5hDqYxzfQ8osCigjzu4XAJ66_OE5w&quot;&gt;Prize&lt;/a&gt;. &lt;a href=&quot;http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/visual_arts/article5270325.ece&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;: &quot;I kind of hate the relationship the press in Britain has towards art,&quot; he said. &quot;I hate the way it&apos;s all Damien Hirst and Tracey Emin and Banksy. They expect spectacle and shock. Art is not like that. The art world I know is not like that; it&apos;s a whole other world.&quot; &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.newyorkartworld.com/reviews/leckey.html&quot;&gt;Soundsystem&lt;/a&gt; | &lt;a href=&quot;http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&amp;VideoID=3673711&quot;&gt;The March of the Big White Barbarians&lt;/a&gt; | &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.guardian.co.uk/artanddesign/video/2008/dec/02/turner-prize-mark-leckey&quot;&gt;&apos;I want a TV show&apos;&lt;/a&gt;</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 07:34:53 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>chuckdarwin</dc:creator>		<category>markleckey</category>		<category>turnerprize2008</category>		<category>tate</category>		<category>art</category>		<category>controversy</category>
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		<title>By: jimbaud</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/77026/Its-great-to-do-something-that-has-an-effect-on-British-culture#2360299</link>	
		<description>Don&apos;t miss Leckey&apos;s brilliant &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ubu.com/film/leckey_hardcore.html&quot;&gt;Fiorucci Made Me Hardcode&lt;/a&gt;.

&quot;Described by one commentator as the best thing they&apos;d ever seen in a gallery, Fiorucci Made Me Hardcore is an extended paean to the unadulterated bliss of nocturnal abandon. A documentary of sorts, Leckey&apos;s video chronicles the rites of passage experienced by successive generations of British (sub)urban youth&quot;. 
- Matthew Higgs, ArtForum</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 07:55:35 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: jimbaud</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/77026/Its-great-to-do-something-that-has-an-effect-on-British-culture#2360300</link>	
		<description>Hardcore.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 07:56:13 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: ardgedee</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/77026/Its-great-to-do-something-that-has-an-effect-on-British-culture#2360304</link>	
		<description>I prefer &quot;hardcode&quot;. It makes nightclubbing sound cyberpunkish.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 07:59:29 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Jofus</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/77026/Its-great-to-do-something-that-has-an-effect-on-British-culture#2360305</link>	
		<description>Birkenhead Represent!</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 07:59:38 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: dydecker</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/77026/Its-great-to-do-something-that-has-an-effect-on-British-culture#2360306</link>	
		<description>The footage in that film is taken from &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZsrVrGfB5A&quot;&gt;Wigan Casino: Northern Soul&lt;/a&gt;</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 07:59:54 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: PeterMcDermott</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/77026/Its-great-to-do-something-that-has-an-effect-on-British-culture#2360313</link>	
		<description>&lt;em&gt;Birkenhead Represent!&lt;/em&gt;

I took a girl out on a date last night, and on the way home, we stopped in the car and started making out. As things got all hot and heavy, I asked her what she&apos;d like me to do next.

&quot;Kiss me where it smells&quot;, she replied.

So I drove her to Birkenhead.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 08:07:49 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: mjg123</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/77026/Its-great-to-do-something-that-has-an-effect-on-British-culture#2360326</link>	
		<description>&lt;em&gt;&quot;the best thing they&apos;d ever seen&quot;&lt;/em&gt; is surely a commen on the commentator, not the art?</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 08:14:55 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: mjg123</title>
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		<description>commen&lt;b&gt;t&lt;/b&gt;... anyway- long live controversial art nonsense - &quot;It exists to promote discussion about contemporary art and it succeeds.&quot;</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 08:18:33 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: krautland</title>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;it&apos;s all Damien Hirst and Tracey Emin and Banksy&lt;/i&gt;

wow, hirst is a low-hanging fruit but a banksy backlash? okay, he&apos;s right though. all those artists do work that&apos;s arresting for two seconds flat and then there&apos;s nothing else. his work on the other hand requires commitment, which makes it exclusive. good choice.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 08:46:51 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: The Salaryman</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/77026/Its-great-to-do-something-that-has-an-effect-on-British-culture#2360383</link>	
		<description>Oh I can&apos;t wait for Serota to retire properly which will mean far, far less concept and novelty based nonsense in this whole charade.  YBA&apos;s are very, very rubbish indeed generally as he said and have profaned the name of art, but his own slightly better stuff has less legs to stand on than a dismembered slug.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 09:03:06 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Nelson</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/77026/Its-great-to-do-something-that-has-an-effect-on-British-culture#2360412</link>	
		<description>&quot;His work, a combination of film, sound, sculpture and performance&quot;

You know, multimedia art is just an awful lot of work to enjoy.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 09:31:41 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Jody Tresidder</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/77026/Its-great-to-do-something-that-has-an-effect-on-British-culture#2360430</link>	
		<description>I went to the Tate Britain&apos;s Turner show for the first time during a recent speedy trip to London - bringing with me an open mind - and I turned into a furiously gibbering &lt;em&gt;Daily Mail &lt;/em&gt;reader by the end. (My head full of expletives and mutterings about &quot;effing art school rejects...my teenager could do that...how &lt;em&gt;stupid &lt;/em&gt;do they think we are..christ, what a load of &lt;em&gt;rubbish&lt;/em&gt;....&quot;).

But the most brilliant bit. When you finally get through the Turner finalist rooms, you empty into a large soothingly white-walled area with nothing but notice boards running around, and long tables with piles of neat tear-off pads and pencils and containers of drawing pins.

By the time you&apos;ve read dozens of far more witty and even ruder opinions composed by other irate visitors, you feel a whole lot better. A few people even rip and fold their opinion sheets into subversive origami shapes about the &quot;meaning of art&quot; with tiny essays attached. Somehow it turns the experience into something rather jolly and soothing!</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 09:45:30 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: sondrialiac</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/77026/Its-great-to-do-something-that-has-an-effect-on-British-culture#2360440</link>	
		<description>Banksy is cool because he brings art to people who aren&apos;t out there saying HEY LET&apos;S GO FIND SOME ART

He brings it to the wall, NOLA, all those places. I think that&apos;s great and I really admire it. 

So yeah, the art world is a whole different world, and I think that sucks.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 09:51:03 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: jack_mo</title>
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		<description>I do like Leckey, but his work can be a bit dry and too clever-by-half, and seemed even more so in the company of Macuga and Islam (though the latter&apos;s film of rickshaw drivers was very lovely).

I wish Cathy Wilkes had won, because her stuff makes you feel funny inside, as well as being all clever and engaged with art history and so on - call me old fashioned, but I quite like having an emotional response to art. Also because I put &#163;20 on her to win, and this is the first time I&apos;ve lost money on the Turner since they gave it to that awful prick Grayson Perry.

&lt;small&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;/77026/Its-great-to-do-something-that-has-an-effect-on-British-culture#2360305&quot;&gt;Jofus&lt;/a&gt; wrote: &lt;i&gt;Birkenhead Represent!&lt;/i&gt;

There&apos;s someone else from Birkenhead on here?! I thought I&apos;d been bearing the weight of PeterMcDermott&apos;s cruel jibes on my own all these years.&lt;/small&gt;</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 10:01:25 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: gorgor_balabala</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/77026/Its-great-to-do-something-that-has-an-effect-on-British-culture#2360917</link>	
		<description>It&apos;s funny to hear an artist complain about spectacle who bases an entire piece on re-creating a movie scene, without particular explanation or comment on how that affects the idea of a movie spectacle. Ridley Scott&apos;s got a great imagination, so, you know, nice tribute.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 13:57:10 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: turgid dahlia</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/77026/Its-great-to-do-something-that-has-an-effect-on-British-culture#2361055</link>	
		<description>&lt;em&gt;Mark Leckey has won the Turner Prize&lt;/em&gt;...

More like Mark &lt;em&gt;Lecner&lt;/em&gt; has won the &lt;em&gt;Turkey&lt;/em&gt; Prize amirite?</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 15:27:44 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: jimbaud</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/77026/Its-great-to-do-something-that-has-an-effect-on-British-culture#2361567</link>	
		<description>My favorite critique of Banksy&apos;s work can be found on the Myspace page of Leckey&apos;s band Jack Too Jack. 

&quot;A gredendier guard pissing up the wall?  The Queen&apos;s gonna be pissed!&quot;.</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 02:34:51 -0800</pubDate>
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