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	<title>Comments on: Shaping San Francisco</title>
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	<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 03:57:35 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>Shaping San Francisco</title>
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		<description>&quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://shapingsf.ctyme.com/&quot;&gt;Shaping San Francisco&lt;/a&gt; is an ongoing multimedia project in bottom-up, participatory history.&quot;  &lt;a href=&quot;http://shapingsf.ctyme.com/cgi-bin/library?e=d-000-00---0ssf--00-0-0--0prompt-10---4------0-1l--1-en-50---20-about---00031-001-1-0utfZz-8-00&amp;a=extlink&amp;rl=1&amp;href=http:%2f%2fecology1$1906-earthquake-part-2.html&quot;&gt;Earthquakes&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href=&quot;http://shapingsf.ctyme.com/cgi-bin/library?e=d-000-00---0ssf--00-0-0--0prompt-10---4----dtx--0-1l--1-en-50---20-home-freeway--00031-001-1-0utfZz-8-10&amp;cl=&amp;d=HASH010b84981cf036010ac0ab99&amp;hl=0&amp;gc=0&amp;gt=0&quot;&gt;freeways&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href=&quot;http://shapingsf.ctyme.com/cgi-bin/library?e=d-000-00---0ssf--00-0-0--0prompt-10---4----dtx--0-1l--1-en-50---20-home-sutro+baths--00031-001-1-0utfZz-8-10&amp;cl=search&amp;d=HASHf711a2da028b13c08fde86&amp;hl=0&amp;gc=0&amp;gt=0&quot;&gt;baths&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href=&quot;http://shapingsf.ctyme.com/cgi-bin/library?e=d-000-00---0ssf--00-0-0--0prompt-10---4------0-1l--1-en-50---20-about---00031-001-1-0utfZz-8-00&amp;a=d&amp;c=ssf&amp;cl=CL5.2.7&amp;d=HASH59b29ba04f34ae3364ed25&quot;&gt;parks&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href=&quot;http://shapingsf.ctyme.com/cgi-bin/library?e=d-000-00---0ssf--00-0-0--0prompt-10---4----dtx--0-1l--1-en-50---20-home-fillmore--00031-001-1-0utfZz-8-00&amp;cl=&amp;d=HASH0520db857c87795a1b2f23&amp;x=1&quot;&gt;jazz clubs&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href=&quot;http://shapingsf.ctyme.com/cgi-bin/library?e=d-000-00---0ssf--00-0-0--0prompt-10---4------0-1l--1-en-50---20-home---00031-001-1-0utfZz-8-00&amp;a=d&amp;c=ssf&amp;cl=CL3.1.17&amp;d=HASH9b7eb7305a6cb04060e121&quot;&gt;chutes&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href=&quot;http://shapingsf.ctyme.com/cgi-bin/library?e=d-000-00---0ssf--00-0-0--0prompt-10---4----dtx--0-1l--1-en-50---20-home-tunnels--00031-001-1-0utfZz-8-00&amp;cl=search&amp;d=HASH6b237430bec2e559ec14df&amp;hl=0&amp;gc=0&amp;gt=0&quot;&gt;streetcars&lt;/a&gt;, neighborhoods &lt;a href=&quot;http://shapingsf.ctyme.com/cgi-bin/library?e=q-000-00---0ssf--00-0-0--0prompt-10---4----dtx--0-1l--1-en-50---20-home-tunnels--00031-001-1-0utfZz-8-00&amp;a=d&amp;c=ssf&amp;cl=search&amp;d=HASH01c3fe22b32afa7ceed881dc&quot;&gt;dead&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href=&quot;http://shapingsf.ctyme.com/cgi-bin/library?e=d-000-00---0ssf--00-0-0--0prompt-10---4----dtx--0-1l--1-en-50---20-home-tunnels--00031-001-1-0utfZz-8-00&amp;a=d&amp;c=ssf&amp;cl=CL3.1.27&amp;d=HASH01742cf755a5679fdb626f21&quot;&gt;alive&lt;/a&gt;, and &lt;a href=&quot;http://shapingsf.ctyme.com/cgi-bin/library?e=d-000-00---0ssf--00-0-0--0prompt-10---4------0-1l--1-en-50---20-home---00031-001-1-0utfZz-8-00&amp;a=d&amp;cl=CL1&quot;&gt;oh so much more&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 00:52:01 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>hal incandenza</dc:creator>		<category>sanfrancisco</category>		<category>history</category>
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		<title>By: Devils Rancher</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/77099/Shaping-San-Francisco#2363443</link>	
		<description>Where&apos;s the chapter on how it became a disneyland caricature of itself? (sorry -- it makes me sad when I go home every 10 years or so). I miss Playland. Dolores park seems to have survived as part of the neighborhood, and it&apos;s not swollen with camera-wielding Europeans, which is nice. Some of my earliest childhood memories revolve around the sound of congas rising from drum circles there, in the mid-sixties.</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 03:57:35 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: vacapinta</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/77099/Shaping-San-Francisco#2363458</link>	
		<description>&lt;i&gt;Where&apos;s the chapter on how it became a disneyland caricature of itself? &lt;/i&gt;

That happened &lt;a href=&quot;http://shapingsf.ctyme.com/cgi-bin/library?e=d-000-00---0ssf--00-0-0--0prompt-10---4----dtx--0-1l--1-en-50---20-home-tunnels--00031-001-1-0utfZz-8-00&amp;a=d&amp;c=ssf&amp;cl=CL3.1.27&amp;d=HASH01742cf755a5679fdb626f21&quot;&gt;in the 1850s&lt;/a&gt;. Thats the great things about sites like this, to help dispel the common misconceptions colored by nostalgia, that things are always getting worse.</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 04:32:18 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: fleacircus</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/77099/Shaping-San-Francisco#2363860</link>	
		<description>It&apos;s nice to read unflinching, detailed histories of earlier SF.  Too much of it is too focussed, too narrow, too sanitized.  Samuel Brannan&apos;s story is hilarious; Mormans enforcers fighting each other in the desert over remittances from the Bay Area to Salt Lake City is something I&apos;d rather see reappear than anything from the 1960s.

And, &lt;i&gt;plus ca change&lt;/i&gt;:&lt;blockquote&gt;The cost of a brick house was estimated at one dollar a brick. Common iron tacks of the smallest size, much in demand for fastening cloth partitions, were worth their weight in gold&#8212;a pound of gold bought a pound of tacks. Since gold was current at sixteen dollars an ounce (the rate of exchange established at a public meeting in September 1848), the tacks actually cost the purchaser $192 a pound. So far as the records show, this was the top price, although tacks seldom dropped below ten dollars an ounce for more than a year. By that time San Francisco had begun to pass the muslin-partition stage, and so many tacks had been imported that they couldn&apos;t be given away. One merchandising genius is said to have brought in a whole shipload, most of which were eventually dumped into the bay at a considerable loss. &lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 09:58:24 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Quietgal</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/77099/Shaping-San-Francisco#2364045</link>	
		<description>Wonderful!  Bookmarked.</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 11:42:31 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: mano</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/77099/Shaping-San-Francisco#2364086</link>	
		<description>if you&apos;re local, take &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.shapingsf.org/biketours.html&quot;&gt;a bike tour&lt;/a&gt;!  it&apos;s worth it.</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 12:06:51 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: MiltonRandKalman</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/77099/Shaping-San-Francisco#2364121</link>	
		<description>This site generates the most frightful URLs I&apos;ve ever seen.</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 12:23:11 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: troybob</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/77099/Shaping-San-Francisco#2364129</link>	
		<description>San Francisco...bottom-up...very funny...</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 12:25:53 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: ioesf</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/77099/Shaping-San-Francisco#2365025</link>	
		<description>it&apos;s a great project! (though the transition from cd rom to tourist kiosk to website makes the interface a bit web x.N.)  if you like it you might also like organizer and contributor &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.chriscarlsson.com/&quot;&gt;chris carlsson&apos;s&lt;/a&gt; other projects.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 00:48:00 -0800</pubDate>
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