Comments on: refugees from the West who stayed East

refugees from the West who stayed East

nickyskye — Sat, 27 Dec 2008 12:35:34 -0800

Hippie Masala [masala is the Hindi word for spice mix] is a documentary which poignantly depicts the lives of a handful of old hippies from different countries, who not only remained in India but also remained in the caricature roles of a small few in those days. These are, in some ways, lost souls stuck in the amber of the 1960's and 70's and this movie offers glimpses into their lives now. SnagFilms also has 510 other excellent documentaries to watch for free online.

"In the 1960s and 1970s thousands of hippies journeyed East in the search for enlightenment, free drugs or a 'pure' life. Indian peasants assumed that a severe drought in the West was the reason for their migration. India's holy men saw it, more accurately, as a search for spirituality. Most moved back to their home countries after a few months or years. Some stayed for good. HIPPIE MASALA shows aging flower children who, after fleeing Western civilization, found a new home in India." About the directors, Ulrich Grossenbacher and Damaris Luthi. Robert Geesink is one the Western old timers who stayed in India. He's a Dutch painter and quite accomplished. Here is a short clip from Hippie Masala about his work and life.

By: HopperFan

HopperFan — Sat, 27 Dec 2008 13:50:59 -0800

Oh, damn, nickyskye, I was being productive today. Now I've got documentaries to watch! :)

By: DarkForest

DarkForest — Sat, 27 Dec 2008 14:11:49 -0800

Just a few minutes in, but it looks like a great film. Thanks! A commercial came in around 6 minutes in, but I guess that's OK. I imagine it'll probably be interrupted all the way through. I do object a little to the terms "caricature" and "stuck in amber". You could just as easily say that we here in the west are "caricatures of consumers" who are "stuck in debt and recession". But then, I haven't watched the whole film yet.

By: Xurando

Xurando — Sat, 27 Dec 2008 14:17:00 -0800

Overdose. Ha Ha Ha. The change of context between the dope fiends and the Blackberry Bold every six minutes was engrossing.

By: RavinDave

RavinDave — Sat, 27 Dec 2008 14:20:27 -0800

I dearly miss the hippie era.

By: jokeefe

jokeefe — Sat, 27 Dec 2008 14:24:08 -0800

US only. Boo.

By: nickyskye

nickyskye — Sat, 27 Dec 2008 14:32:03 -0800

I do object a little to the terms "caricature" and "stuck in amber". You could just as easily say that we here in the west are "caricatures of consumers" who are "stuck in debt and recession". The word caricature, "a description of a person using exaggeration of some characteristics and oversimplification of others" I think, in this case, does apply. Am interested to know your opinion when you see the flick. US only. Boo. Oh dear. Here's Hippie Masala on another site, VodPod, with no ads. Sorry SnagFilms is only accessible to the US, I didn't know that.

By: StickyCarpet

StickyCarpet — Sat, 27 Dec 2008 14:53:52 -0800

Damn hippeis resized my browser. But I know they didn't mean to. Yeah, it's cool, I love you too. Peace.

By: Stewriffic

Stewriffic — Sat, 27 Dec 2008 15:18:27 -0800

I got bored and turned it off, but i think that's because I'm feeling sickly and with no attention span. That said, I've bookmarked it because how awesome is this? Very awesome, that's how awesome. Rad, in fact.

By: D.C.

D.C. — Sat, 27 Dec 2008 16:19:46 -0800

See Dum Maro Dum (wiki) from the film Hare Rama Hare Krishna for a contemporary (1971) Bollywood commentary on the phenomenon.

By: DarkForest

DarkForest — Sat, 27 Dec 2008 16:33:15 -0800

I thought it was a beautiful film. Wonderful photography. These people seem to be living lives of dignity and choice.

By: kozad

kozad — Sat, 27 Dec 2008 16:54:29 -0800

I can't sit in front of my computer for 90 minutes. Everytime I try to fast-forward the film, though, I have to wait another 30 seconds of bubbly advertisements. Ughhh.

By: kozad

kozad — Sat, 27 Dec 2008 17:10:10 -0800

Ok, the last hour of the film spared me the interruptions. Not a bad film. I have an old friend who lived as a Sadhu for seven years and moved back to the West, where I teamed up with him in some performance art pieces. Now, he is back in India, I hear. Maybe for good...in both senses of the word.

By: PareidoliaticBoy

PareidoliaticBoy — Sat, 27 Dec 2008 17:42:37 -0800

Hmmm... doesn't work in the Frozen North. Oh well .

By: Salmonberry

Salmonberry — Sat, 27 Dec 2008 20:34:17 -0800

I know, this is turning into such a pain in the ass. Perhaps USWW should be created in addition to WWW, so at least we don't keep running into this bullshit. If you're going to put content on a world accessible network, maybe you should make it, oh I dunno.....accessible to the world? rant is not directed at nickyskye, btw, but the snagfilms people

By: nickyskye

nickyskye — Sat, 27 Dec 2008 21:54:00 -0800

aww Salmonberry, PareidoliaticBoy and anyone else who couldn't access SnagFilms, if it gives it an iota more fairness, there are British sites Americans cannot access. Come to think of it, Britain has, I think, much stricter copyright laws than the US and it may be for that reason? I don't know. But I'm so sorry to offer something that is limited to Americans. If I'd known that or SnagFilms stated it, I would have said that in my post.

By: bardic

bardic — Sat, 27 Dec 2008 22:03:24 -0800

Needs more Slayer.

By: Surfurrus

Surfurrus — Sat, 27 Dec 2008 22:56:20 -0800

I didn't think I would watch the whole film ... but then it became mesmerizing, hypnotizing ... it completely changed my breathing. These people (all except the twins) were not the 'expats with expats' kind of 'hippies' that I expected; they allowed themselves to be swallowed by India. It was scary and thrilling to imagine all that was behind their words. Dhanyavad, nickyskye!

By: tenmuses

tenmuses — Sun, 28 Dec 2008 09:14:06 -0800

The pace of the movie was slow - intentionally I think to reflect that aspect of their lives in India. Once I slowed myself down to its tempo it was an enjoyable movie. Weed seemed to play a large part in the lives of the holy men in the movie - I wonder if that's more broadly true - i.e. are many of India's holy men a bunch of dedicated stoners or is this phenomenon related more to the western holy man and his group. The twins were damned annoying. I liked the looks the Indian woman was shooting their way ("They're not paying me enough to put up with these crazy bitches!" was written all over her face.) I had the most empathy for the artist - life's loneliness still seemed to plague him though - magnified I'm sure by his cultural separation. He did seem to have achieved some contentment enjoying the affection of his wife and daughters. By comparison, the asshole/farmer's wife was understandably looking for an opportunity to get away from him.

By: Seekerofsplendor

Seekerofsplendor — Sun, 28 Dec 2008 13:32:15 -0800

This Snagfilms site sure does have quite a few great documentaries, many European. Among them is a hidden 2002 gem about Charles Chaplin's later years (from 1952 on) featuring Geraldine and some of his other children, several associates and rare 50s-70s footage of the great comic genius. Amazing stuff. Thanks, nickyskye.

By: nickyskye

nickyskye — Sun, 28 Dec 2008 17:16:54 -0800

tenmuses, thank you for expressing what I'd been thinking but you said it so nicely. And seekerofsplendor, thanks for the great tip about the chaplain biopic.

By: PareidoliaticBoy

PareidoliaticBoy — Sun, 28 Dec 2008 20:07:06 -0800

Oh hey Nicky, no worries. Lots of online media aren't available in Canada, it's hardly your fault. and iI don't think think any reasonable person could expect members to test the international availability of content before posting. Hmmm let's jus' see now ... I know that mefiuser # 52342 lives in Malta, better make sure they can see this before I post it.

By: PareidoliaticBoy

PareidoliaticBoy — Sun, 28 Dec 2008 20:38:24 -0800

Oh, and as an aside, the COMMERCIALS do play; no problem there. Fooling the ~~grotty non American~~ user into believing that the content will display, after it eventually loads. They do say that they expect to be less ethnocentric soon ... For non-US visitors: Currently, our 3rd-party video platform only permits us to display video in the US. We expect to be able to stream internationally in early 2009. Hulu and others take note.

By: nickyskye

nickyskye — Sun, 28 Dec 2008 22:25:27 -0800

*er, Chaplin biopic arg. Must correct typos before pressing Post Comment, must correct typos before pressing Post Comment, must correct typos before pressing Post Comment. And thanks for that information dear PareidoliaticBoy.

By: nickyskye

nickyskye — Mon, 29 Dec 2008 14:44:15 -0800

Anecdote: Today I met a young artist who had read this post, mentioned it to his wife and they both mentioned it to me this afternoon without knowing my online name. It was so funny-odd to say I was the one who posted it here. Small world.