Comments on: Accidents on Long Island.

Accidents on Long Island.

R. Mutt — Wed, 18 Feb 2009 07:03:10 -0800

Accidents on Long Island, a photogallery.

By: Slack-a-gogo

Slack-a-gogo — Wed, 18 Feb 2009 07:06:21 -0800

I don't even understand how the accident in photo 13 happened. It looks like the pole fell from the sky and pierced the car.

By: DU

DU — Wed, 18 Feb 2009 07:08:15 -0800

Ogrish for cars

By: uncleozzy

uncleozzy — Wed, 18 Feb 2009 07:18:07 -0800

I don't even understand how the accident in photo 13 happened I'm familiar with that intersection, and saw the article when the accident happened, but still can't quite work out how it happened. Best I can guess, he was going around the bend from Foxhurst onto Old Country Road, cut it too close, flipped onto the curb, and was stopped from rolling over by the poles. That would have to be one hell of a perfect storm, though. Image 6, though, I'm assuming was just pranksters who carried it into the water.

By: HuronBob

HuronBob — Wed, 18 Feb 2009 07:24:09 -0800

Without some sort of context, this just feels like internet gawking. the point of the post?

By: East Manitoba Regional Junior Kabaddi Champion '94

East Manitoba Regional Junior Kabaddi Champion '94 — Wed, 18 Feb 2009 07:28:36 -0800

It's nice that the Algonquin Medical Center now lets you keep your weapons.

By: mrbarrett.com

mrbarrett.com — Wed, 18 Feb 2009 07:31:13 -0800

No. 30 was almost certainly speeding excessively.

By: CynicalKnight

CynicalKnight — Wed, 18 Feb 2009 07:35:58 -0800

the point of the post? It's the odious consequences of those nasty, nasty iced teas.

By: miss lynnster

miss lynnster — Wed, 18 Feb 2009 07:38:04 -0800

I really don't want to leave the house now. Weirdest accident I ever saw was on Coldwater Canyon in LA... I still am puzzled by the memory. Traffic was backed up and crawling along, and when I finally got to the accident scene, there were two cars, and one was laying directly on top of the other, perpendicularly. Thing is, Coldwater is a two lane road and this accident scene wasn't located near a side street. So... I just kept staring and wondering how the hell that car jumped up there. I really just couldn't imagine what happened in the accident to create that aftermath. It looked like it had leaped from someone's roof. I can't exactly picture someone backing out of their driveway and just ending up on top of another car like that. I'm still confused.

By: rageagainsttherobots

rageagainsttherobots — Wed, 18 Feb 2009 07:38:46 -0800

Maybe the point of this post is to scare me away from the driver's seat. Mission accomplished!

By: longdaysjourney

longdaysjourney — Wed, 18 Feb 2009 07:41:50 -0800

the point of the post? To help us appreciate the work of safety engineers who design vehicles to sacrifice themselves instead of their occupants and of the first responders who have to deal with these accidents on a daily basis. At least that's what it did for me. Thanks for the post.

By: exogenous

exogenous — Wed, 18 Feb 2009 07:46:55 -0800

My first thought was Palsgraf:

A passenger carrying a package, while hurrying to catch and board a moving Long Island Rail Road train, appeared to two of the railroad's (Defendant's) employees to be falling. The employees were guards, one of whom was located on the car, the other of whom was located on the platform. The guard on the car attempted to pull the passenger into the car and the guard on the platform attempted to push him into the car from behind. The guards' efforts to aid the passenger caused the package the passenger was holding to fall on the rails. Unbeknownst to the guards, the package, which was approximately fifteen inches long and wrapped in newspaper, contained fireworks, and the package exploded when it hit the rails. The shock reportedly knocked down scales at the other end of the platform ... which injured Mrs. Helen Palsgraf (Plaintiff). Palsgraf sued the railroad, claiming her injury resulted from negligent acts of the employee.

By: Turtles all the way down

Turtles all the way down — Wed, 18 Feb 2009 07:56:05 -0800

No. 30 was almost certainly speeding excessively. Safe bet that #22 was as well. (How fast do you have to be going for a 3-ft-diameter tree to end up between the two front seats?)

By: rmless

rmless — Wed, 18 Feb 2009 07:56:55 -0800

It's nice to be able to ride the subway instead of getting into a car after seeing these.

By: mbd1mbd1

mbd1mbd1 — Wed, 18 Feb 2009 07:57:19 -0800

We moved to Long Island from Philadelphia about a year ago. The first thing we noticed was how aggressively people drove in their expensive cars (check the Lamborghini in #134). We were used to city driving - grid layouts, one way streets, stop signs and lights everywhere, tons of bikes and pedestrians. So we were used to a slower pace where you are constantly on the lookout. None of that applies here. Regarding image 13, cars do crazy, crazy things at high speeds. There is so much energy involved that phone poles and trees can act like razors when you catch them at the wrong angle. You can't underestimate the consequences of a momentary lapse in concentration at even 30 mph.

By: shmegegge

shmegegge — Wed, 18 Feb 2009 07:57:26 -0800

Ha, I know that fence from picture #1! the fence is still down. there is, if anyone's wondering, a hefty bar scene in huntington right near there and a lot of drunk driving on that street.

By: Alison

Alison — Wed, 18 Feb 2009 07:57:29 -0800

My dad did all of the family car repairs when I was a kid to keep our financial head above water. He would occasionally take me to the junkyard to look for spare parts. The lot in my town was just down the street from the Wal-Mart and covered a few acres with rows and rows of vehicles smashed, smushed, and damaged beyond all hope of repair. Some of the cars were like their own little crime scenes. There would be blood stains on the dashboard or soaked into the seats. Occasionally, there would be a chunk of hair danging from the windshield. I didn't notice any of this at first, but my dad pointed out the distinct brown stains and pretty soon I was seeing them all over the lot. It was like staring into a field of open coffins. Seeing a picture like this however, gives me hope that not every car that I saw was the site of someone's death and that a lot of those bloodstains were from people who managed to walk away.

By: uncleozzy

uncleozzy — Wed, 18 Feb 2009 08:02:32 -0800

The first thing we noticed was how aggressively people drove I have been honked at on the LIE while keeping pace with the car in front of me because I wasn't tailgating.

By: uncleozzy

uncleozzy — Wed, 18 Feb 2009 08:03:13 -0800

(In the right lane. At rush hour. When traffic was moving at 35mph.)

By: swift

swift — Wed, 18 Feb 2009 08:05:33 -0800

the point of the post? Long Island is a death trap.

By: tommasz

tommasz — Wed, 18 Feb 2009 08:08:57 -0800

Long Island is a death trap. It's a suicide rap, We gotta get out while we're young. Which I did, in 1975.

By: sararah

sararah — Wed, 18 Feb 2009 08:09:01 -0800

Conclusion: Long Island sure has a lot of mini bus accidents. (I count at least 1, 2, 3, 4, 5)

By: davebush

davebush — Wed, 18 Feb 2009 08:15:13 -0800

No Billy Joel?

By: fixedgear

fixedgear — Wed, 18 Feb 2009 08:17:13 -0800

We moved to Long Island from Philadelphia about a year ago. So sorry to hear this, my condolences. My SIL and BIL have both passed away. While I feel bad for my wife, this means that our trips to LI are very few and far between, which is just the way I like it.

By: krinklyfig

krinklyfig — Wed, 18 Feb 2009 08:19:06 -0800

I drove a tow truck for a short time a few years back. I saw a lot of this type of stuff, as we were contracted with the local PDs. But by the time we got there, the ambulances were gone and nobody was on the scene except police. I can remember the smell of airbags distinctly, like a nasty chemical smell. Not sure why they smell like that, but they all do. But these accidents look about the same as the ones I saw, and probably Long Island isn't that different from the Bay Area, CA. At least I wasn't an insurance claims adjuster.

By: mbd1mbd1

mbd1mbd1 — Wed, 18 Feb 2009 08:24:27 -0800

The airbag smell is the sodium azide used to inflate the bags within milliseconds of deceleration detection. I did some auto safety airbag testing in grad school - it was truly terrifying to see one of these things inflate in person for the first time.

By: shmegegge

shmegegge — Wed, 18 Feb 2009 08:33:53 -0800

The first thing we noticed was how aggressively people drove in their expensive cars I'm surprised you didn't notice how stupidly people drive here, first. I've spent my entire life on Long Island, with stints in Jersey and Brooklyn. What I've learned about Long Island driving is the following: 1. It is the worst place to drive in the western world. If you ever get a chance to read the massive, intimidating biography of Robert Moses The Power Broker, you'll discover that, through sheer hubris and general douchebaggery, Moses has condemned Long Island forever to the worst traffic in America, beyond any hope of repair. The Morning drive west on the LIE is like God's private experiment to locate that point where patience all of a sudden flips and becomes homicidal rage. 2. People from New Jersey drive like maniacs, but people from Long Island drive like idiots. What I mean is that the driving in Jersey is far more aggressive, almost suicidally so. The term outside Jersey for shifting suddenly across 4 lanes of traffic with no regard for other drivers is "The Jersey Slide." There's a reason for the name. On the other side of NYC, you've got a sort of reverse situation. The Island is 118 miles long, (America's longest contiguous Island) and many drivers will be forced to drive a significant portion of that distance on one over-crowded highway of the three over-crowded highways they can choose from. Often enough, these highways will have extended sections with only two lanes per direction, and every time you get to that section it is a virtual guarantee that some dickhole will be matching pace in the left lane with the car in the right lane, preventing anyone from using the left lane to pass. They will do this for 40 miles. 3. There is no escaping the traffic. If you live on or near the North Shore, you can hop on the good ol' Jericho Turnpike instead of the LIE or Northern State, but rest assured someone has thought of that and made sure that the Jericho Turnpike stop lights will catch you at every single intersection. And frankly, it and every other non-highway road on the island are also packed full of people desperately trying to find the mythical (as in, not real) trick to navigating this island's horrific roadways efficiently. I know driving is worse in places where massive throngs of destitute pedestrians or shepherds' flocks or whatever will simply block the road and refuse to let you pass. I know this. But outside of that, nothing is worse than driving on Long Island. I haven't even scratched the surface of how bad it is, here.

By: ObscureReferenceMan

ObscureReferenceMan — Wed, 18 Feb 2009 08:39:45 -0800

shmegegge nailed it. Visitors to LI, beware.

By: rusty

rusty — Wed, 18 Feb 2009 08:47:21 -0800

New Yorkers are the worst drivers on earth. And this is coming from someone who grew up and learned to drive in Massachusetts, where we are not exactly reknowned for our safety-conscious habits. I still get a cold chill when I see a NY license plate. shmegegge has it exactly right -- MA drivers are somewhat aggressive and scary, but on the whole attentive and very conscious of what's going on around them. We'll let people break the right-of-way rules in a heartbeat if it makes sense in context. NY drivers have all the aggression and none of the awareness. I bet every one of those crash victims was very surprised to suddenly (and briefly) see a pole / train / body of water in front of them that they didn't even know was nearby.

By: ROU_Xenophobe

ROU_Xenophobe — Wed, 18 Feb 2009 08:49:46 -0800

It is the worst place to drive in the western world. I haven't driven on LI since the late 90s, but: Toronto is worse.

By: sperose

sperose — Wed, 18 Feb 2009 08:54:23 -0800

Oh yeah, these pictures bring back fond memories of the summer I worked in the junkyard. Good god, there was some horrifying shit. Like the infant car seat that was in a car. Marked biohazard. Ugh.

By: uncleozzy

uncleozzy — Wed, 18 Feb 2009 09:00:04 -0800

I'm going to be honest; I'm not trying to be an apologist. The traffic can be horrendous here. Awful. But I've managed to--at least most of the time--come to peace with it. People do many, many stupid things, yes, but these stupid things are, at least 85% of the time, entirely predictable. Everyone's got a tell. I can look around me in traffic and tell you exactly which cars are going to change lanes without warning and, usually, when. I can often tell you who's going to stomp on the brakes and do the aforementioned Jersey Slide to avoid going half a mile out of their way. I can nearly always tell you who's going to decide they have enough space to merge from a dead stop when they clearly don't. Sometimes I get frustrated, sure. But most of the time, just knowing exactly how the commute is going to go makes it a lot easier. I am almost never surprised on the highway anymore. Some gnarly commutes are actually pretty peaceful.

By: swift

swift — Wed, 18 Feb 2009 09:03:26 -0800

Not all New Yorkers drive the same. Compare: Long Island drivers --> Stupid Brooklyn drivers --> Inconsiderate Manhattan drivers --> Desperate Westchester drivers --> Rushed

By: shmegegge

shmegegge — Wed, 18 Feb 2009 09:06:05 -0800

People do many, many stupid things, yes, but these stupid things are, at least 85% of the time, entirely predictable. Everyone's got a tell. This absolutely true. I think this is a thing you pick up driving around here, much how athletes develop a sixth sense for their opponent from constant drilling and grueling practice. I've surprised out of state friends before by being like "just be aware, that guy next to you is gonna shove over here abruptly in a second."

By: Hovercraft Eel

Hovercraft Eel — Wed, 18 Feb 2009 09:06:11 -0800

Best of the Web?

By: stbalbach

stbalbach — Wed, 18 Feb 2009 09:09:06 -0800

Urban driving is worse than rural, larger cities are worse than smaller, east coast is worse than west coast, large immigrant or minority population is worse than homogeneous population, older cities are worse than newer. All this points to NY metro and NJ as being the worse in North America (assuming Mexico City is not included). Probably no debate here other than second and third place.

By: orme

orme — Wed, 18 Feb 2009 09:14:50 -0800

Lethal Island Expressway! Am I right? Am I right?

By: stbalbach

stbalbach — Wed, 18 Feb 2009 09:16:27 -0800

#126.. whew!

By: porn in the woods

porn in the woods — Wed, 18 Feb 2009 09:19:33 -0800

This is bringing back nasty Red Asphalt flashbacks from high school. For god's sake, people, let's be careful out there.

By: lilkeith07

lilkeith07 — Wed, 18 Feb 2009 09:19:59 -0800

Looking at these remind me of what happened to my friend while he was working on his van. Basically his house had a very steep driveway and he was working on his van on day went to get something out of his truck the van shifted out of gear rolled down his driveway and shut the door of the truck on his leg. He was home alone at the time so it took about 1/2 hour before he could get any attention but when the police came and opened the door up he was perfectly fine. Here are some of the pictures.

By: stbalbach

stbalbach — Wed, 18 Feb 2009 09:22:17 -0800

#140 .. worst parking fail.

By: Edgewise

Edgewise — Wed, 18 Feb 2009 09:25:55 -0800

Surprised so many fellow Long Islanders are here. Here-here to the odiousness of the LIE. My girlfriend and I carpool mainly to get access to the HOV. On days one of us is sick, the ride in is unendurable. If it wasn't for our arrangement, I'm sure I would have killed someone in an act of road rage.

By: mazola

mazola — Wed, 18 Feb 2009 09:35:30 -0800

That's it, I'm never leaving my closet now.

By: asusu

asusu — Wed, 18 Feb 2009 10:09:32 -0800

It's not the aggresiveness that bothers me; I'm used to that. What bothers me is the inattention. One (nonlethal) example is the way people pull up at a stop light and leave lots of space in front of their car. Then, during the red light, as they have a moment's lull in their cell-phone conversation, they pull up a few more feet. Then a couple more. And so on. Why can't they just pull up and stop within a few feet of the car in front of them? Would that be so hard?

By: dr_dank

dr_dank — Wed, 18 Feb 2009 10:27:32 -0800

A few years ago, two kids who were racing a corvette and a mercedes coupe on 107 in Muttontown clipped a couple in a jeep, killing them both. My stepbrother who had a plumbing job at the home of one of the kids involved heard him boast that his father "made that problem go away" and detailed his vacation plans to go to Greece for the olympics. I only wish that LI had a preserve to keep these douches away from the rest of us.

By: rmd1023

rmd1023 — Wed, 18 Feb 2009 10:28:56 -0800

uncleozzy: why? the caption says it was near a boat ramp. (people have been known to drive off boat ramps and their cars end up in the water about like that)

By: supermedusa

supermedusa — Wed, 18 Feb 2009 10:52:19 -0800

well I grew up in New Jersey but I never saw the 'jersey slide' until I moved to California. this may be due to the fact that I learned to drive in far-north boondock NJ, but DAMN Californians are pathetic drivers in any sort of bad weather, they either continue to drive like their usual excessive-speed-multi-lane-change-inattentive selves, or turn into nervous grandmothers driving 20mph on the freeway.

By: Flashman

Flashman — Wed, 18 Feb 2009 11:02:47 -0800

That's the saddest one of all. Poor little Smart car. Some kids probably stole it and dumped it there. Just to get their sick thrills.

By: rusty

rusty — Wed, 18 Feb 2009 11:03:21 -0800

dr_dank: I only wish that LI had a preserve to keep these douches away from the rest of us. I think you've misunderstood what Long Island is.

By: dr_dank

dr_dank — Wed, 18 Feb 2009 11:18:31 -0800

rusty;I think you've misunderstood what Long Island is. Once my spray tan dries, we'll settle this in person. Any mall, any time punk.

By: uncleozzy

uncleozzy — Wed, 18 Feb 2009 11:32:54 -0800

uncleozzy: why? the caption says it was near a boat ramp Isn't it much more fun to imagine a gang of hooligans heaving the car into the water?

By: Pollomacho

Pollomacho — Wed, 18 Feb 2009 11:45:25 -0800

I think #93 just wanted to play!

By: Joe Beese

Joe Beese — Wed, 18 Feb 2009 11:55:39 -0800

shmegegge: " It is the worst place to drive in the western world. If you ever get a chance to read the massive, intimidating biography of Robert Moses The Power Broker, you'll discover that, through sheer hubris and general douchebaggery, Moses has condemned Long Island forever to the worst traffic in America, beyond any hope of repair. The Morning drive west on the LIE is like God's private experiment to locate that point where patience all of a sudden flips and becomes homicidal rage." When I was growing up in Melville, my father's commute to his office in New York City was something like 90 minutes each way. Thanks for everything you did for us, Dad. [I asked him once about the Utopia Parkway, whose exit sign we often passed, but which I had never been on. "It doesn't live up to its billing," he said with a wink.]

By: makonan

makonan — Wed, 18 Feb 2009 12:04:37 -0800

there is, if anyone's wondering, a hefty bar scene in huntington right near there and a lot of drunk driving on that street. I live half a mile away from it! My road is a drag strip after midnight. Occasionally things like this happen. I just moved here and all the LI insults are giving me a complex :(

By: miss lynnster

miss lynnster — Wed, 18 Feb 2009 13:44:06 -0800

I just moved here and all the LI insults are giving me a complex :( You want insults? Try being from Los Angeles. Worst of all, sometimes we're even forced to take your rejects.

By: cjets

cjets — Wed, 18 Feb 2009 14:20:01 -0800

It is the worst place to drive in the western world I invite you to spend a rainy day driving in Los Angeles (preferably going over the Sepulveda pass.) I am not going to defend Long Island drivers but as a Long Island native and a resident of L.A., there is no way you're going to convince me that Long Island drivers are worse than L.A. drivers. There are at least two reasons: 1. Long Island has a public transportation alternative (LIRR). L.A. doesn't (Yes, I know that, technically speaking, it does, but it really doesn't). 2. L.A. drivers have no idea how to drive in the rain. ("Omigod. Water falling from the sky! What can it mean?!?") And I also suspect that we have more than our fair share of idiots on the phone. Also, if you enjoyed the photo gallery of accidents, you might want to check out Newsday's mug shots as well.

By: miss lynnster

miss lynnster — Wed, 18 Feb 2009 14:47:39 -0800

I think there are many worse places to drive than LA on a whole (Rome, Cairo, Bangkok, New York, etc.), but I will agree that in the rain and -- even worse -- the first day of Daylight Savings people here suddenly have no freaking clue what to do. You would think the sky was falling the way the first sign of early darkness confuses people here... it's like aliens have invaded and people suddenly aren't sure how to drive home from work anymore even though they did it fine the day before. Drives me nuts. But that said, I must commend people here for ALWAYS using quick reflexes to pull over immediately the *second* they hear an emergency vehicle in the vicinity. This is something people in San Francisco don't seem to have the hang of, which became *such* a major pet peeve of mine. Really not cool, SF. I know the streets are small, that you don't want to dent your new hybrid, and that you're late to your NFP job, but imagine you're in that ambulance and MOVE THE HELL OVER.

By: unrepentanthippie

unrepentanthippie — Wed, 18 Feb 2009 14:54:43 -0800

Thirty years ago, someone warned me about any driver wearing a hat behind the wheel. He's still right.

By: bloomicy

bloomicy — Wed, 18 Feb 2009 15:35:45 -0800

George Carlin, yes?

By: bloomicy

bloomicy — Wed, 18 Feb 2009 15:39:32 -0800

Oh, and good lord all these were just in the last 3 1/2 months. I'm so glad I got the hell out of there.

By: lemuel

lemuel — Wed, 18 Feb 2009 16:36:08 -0800

in RI there's the "RI left turn". if you want make a left to a side road, you start about 100 yards before the intersection, cut the corner close so you are on the wrong side of 2 roads. on-coming drivers expect this. you can't use turn signals; following drivers pull up into your blind spot and hover. oh, and people with House and Senate license plates are exempt from traffic and parking regs. and common courtersy. [i don't live there now]

By: marble

marble — Wed, 18 Feb 2009 17:23:35 -0800

All you people trying to link to individual pictures: it didn't work, the link only takes you to picture #1.

By: flaterik

flaterik — Wed, 18 Feb 2009 23:21:15 -0800

You want insults? Try being from Los Angeles. Try being from north dakota and living in los angeles. Damn. People can't drive in ND either, but at least they can handle a little weather. People here seem to think the world is ending whenever there's anything other than sun.

By: Goofyy

Goofyy — Thu, 19 Feb 2009 06:36:11 -0800

People in LA drive better than LI. I promise. I moved from one to the other. I won't hold rainy driving against Angelinos. When it rains there, the road may as well have ice, it gets that slippery. I don't say that lightly, I learned to drive in a Michigan winter.

By: miss lynnster

miss lynnster — Thu, 19 Feb 2009 09:27:54 -0800

You have a point. It's awfully easy to hydroplane. I thought it was that way everywhere in the rain, though. Try being from north dakota and living in los angeles. Damn. In my 20s in LA, every time I met someone and they said they were from the midwest I remember thinking it was such a funny reply to go "Oh, I'm sorry!" Ha ha ha. Wasn't until I had the experience of being a Southern Californian living in the Bay area that it finally clicked and I finally understood... it wasn't funny. Not at all. I was just being assy and superior and alienating nice people who had every reason to be perfectly proud of where they came from. Now that I've been on the other end of that treatment, I almost overcompensate with interest and warmth now when I meet Midwesterners. It's almost like I'm doing penance for previous sins and hoping for collective forgiveness for having been so rude before. Biiiig lesson learned. Never put people down for where they're from.* They may love it. *Unless you're from there too. Then it's okay. Kinda like how it's okay to hate your brother but it's not okay if someone else says he's a jerk without even knowing him.

By: miss lynnster

miss lynnster — Thu, 19 Feb 2009 09:30:08 -0800

Actually I should've taken that "they may love it" part out. It really doesn't matter if they do or not, they'll still feel insulted.

By: etaoin

etaoin — Thu, 19 Feb 2009 12:15:49 -0800

There is no escaping the traffic. If you live on or near the North Shore, you can hop on the good ol' Jericho Turnpike instead of the LIE or Northern State, but rest assured someone has thought of that and made sure that the Jericho Turnpike stop lights will catch you at every single intersection. Another problem with Jericho Turnpike is the many little stores jammed alongside, so that drivers are constantly trying to pull into or out of parking lots and acting as if theydon't see any cars. Jericho would make a field study for any traffic management student. On any given block, you've got people, often in the wrong lanes, trying to pull into the parking lot of that cute little deli, which is EXACTLY like the 25 other delis they've driven past and could have gotten to with no problem. And another thing: I thought I was crazy when I first came to Long Island and thought I was the only one who noticed this, until talking to colleagues at work who had also moved her from other states. Long Island drivers, waiting in those parking lots I mentioned, will often wait a while after a car goes by; there's no one else in the lane, but they'll wait and wait and wait until your car is 10 feet from the entrance and then they'll pull out right in front of you, often blocking the lanes while they wait for clearance in the traffic going the opposite direction. Why they wait, I don't know.

By: flaterik

flaterik — Thu, 19 Feb 2009 13:22:45 -0800

Wasn't until I had the experience of being a Southern Californian living in the Bay area that it finally clicked and I finally understood... it wasn't funny. Not at all. Yeah. I got the "I'm sorry hahaha" thing for a while in LA about north dakota, and just when i got used to that, I started going to SF and got the same reaction about living in LA. *facepalm* I'm not sorry that I'm from North Dakota, or that I live in LA. You shouldn't be either. To keep vaguely on topic, I think norcal drivers are MUCH worse than socal. I am not a fan of driving in SF.

By: unrepentanthippie

unrepentanthippie — Wed, 25 Feb 2009 02:47:44 -0800

hats It could have come come from George Carlin originally; I got it from one of those guys who's on the line between genius and RFC*. He stole a lot of material. If you live anywhere long enough, you get an intuitive feel for what drivers look like when they are about to do something stupid. You can see them coming a long ways off. The SO cannot do this, and always gets pissy when I mention that trouble is coming, and then even pissier when it gets there because they'd been warned. It seems to be a local-specific bahavior. *Real F'g Crazy