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Music that makes you dumb.

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posted by flatluigi (102 comments total) 13 users marked this as a favorite

 
Somebody must be listening to lots of Beyonce to not know that correlation != causation.
posted by found missing at 2:40 PM on March 9, 2009 [2 favorites]


and... he repeats the post title
posted by found missing at 2:40 PM on March 9, 2009 [10 favorites]


Your favourite clever/dumb band sucks.
posted by ob at 2:41 PM on March 9, 2009


Somebody must be listening to lots of Lil' Wayne to not have read the thread title.
posted by flatluigi at 2:41 PM on March 9, 2009 [11 favorites]


Found missing:
From the second link: Yes, I'm aware correlation ≠ causation. The results are hilarity incarnate regardless of causality.
You can stop sending me email about this distinction. Thanks.
posted by CitrusFreak12 at 2:42 PM on March 9, 2009 [2 favorites]


Are those the old SAT numbers or the inflated ones?
posted by Joe Beese at 2:42 PM on March 9, 2009


Somebody must be listening to lots of Lil' Wayne to not have read the thread title.

snap
posted by found missing at 2:43 PM on March 9, 2009


Counting Crows? Beaugharghblauygh.
posted by GuyZero at 2:43 PM on March 9, 2009 [4 favorites]


I WILL NOT STOP SENDING HIM EMAIL ABOUT THIS DISTINCTION
posted by found missing at 2:44 PM on March 9, 2009 [7 favorites]


The old ones.
posted by stresstwig at 2:44 PM on March 9, 2009


Are those the old SAT numbers or the inflated ones?

Back in the good old days, we had to demonstrate aptitude in hose-shoeing and sarsaparilla-root boiling, not just reading comprehension!
posted by GuyZero at 2:45 PM on March 9, 2009 [2 favorites]


Joe Beese - if those numbers are inflated, I'm even more worried about the US educational system.

I'd like a graph of music that makes you boring. I'm not sure what to replace the SAT info with, but I'll take suggestions.
posted by filthy light thief at 2:45 PM on March 9, 2009 [1 favorite]


The only thing about this chart that makes perfect sense is the fact that Lil' Wayne is on the bottom.
posted by koeselitz at 2:45 PM on March 9, 2009


Root-boiling I can do. But how do you shoe a hose?
posted by filthy light thief at 2:46 PM on March 9, 2009 [3 favorites]


Are those the old SAT numbers or the inflated ones?

If you listened to Counting Crows, you'd already know the answer.
posted by Blazecock Pileon at 2:46 PM on March 9, 2009 [2 favorites]


So Beethoven's highest, but there's no Bach or Chopin. I suppose their listeners are too clever to be on Facebook...
posted by TheophileEscargot at 2:47 PM on March 9, 2009 [5 favorites]


You don't want to know what I got on my keyboarding SAT.
posted by GuyZero at 2:47 PM on March 9, 2009


Aw man, according to this thing I'm retarded.

Just cause I like Aerosmith doesn't mean I are dumb!

yes that was on purpose
posted by Chan at 2:49 PM on March 9, 2009


I neglected to shoe my hoses once. It wasn't pretty.
posted by Kirth Gerson at 2:57 PM on March 9, 2009


I look at all these music lists and it gives me that feeling I get when I go in a giftshop with personalized keychains and mugs. My name ain't there, and I know it'll never show up. Same thing with these music lists and the bands I listen to.
posted by Bernt Pancreas at 2:59 PM on March 9, 2009 [1 favorite]


They are strangely silent when it comes to John Cage.
posted by isopraxis at 3:04 PM on March 9, 2009 [10 favorites]


fake. nickelback is way too high.
posted by klanawa at 3:06 PM on March 9, 2009 [2 favorites]


The off-the-charts folks are probably too busy out-obscuring each other with "post-Confield Autechre" and "School of Paris Serialism," none of which will show up here. Which is cool with me, honestly. But the Ben Folds and Guster shit is just embarrassing. Crackers.
posted by naju at 3:06 PM on March 9, 2009 [3 favorites]


According to this, if you listen to 311 and Linkin Park, you are as smart as if you listen to Queen, but neither are quite as good as those that listen to AC/DC or Rage Against the Machine.

I'm both highly offended, and sort of pleased to see this.

(I feel like Queen should be higher though... they just should. They use the word "Scaramouch" in a song, and that should count for something)
posted by quin at 3:06 PM on March 9, 2009 [3 favorites]


Music that makes you shit.
posted by Artw at 3:07 PM on March 9, 2009 [6 favorites]


Big glitch - I didn't see any Crazy Town.
posted by porn in the woods at 3:08 PM on March 9, 2009


Richard C. Atkinson, then president of the University of California, urged dropping the SAT Reasoning Test as a college admissions requirement: "Anyone involved in education should be concerned about how overemphasis on the SAT is distorting educational priorities and practices, how the test is perceived by many as unfair, and how it can have a devastating impact on the self-esteem [emphasis added] and aspirations of young students." - Wikipedia

Fuck education. They're now in the self-esteem business.
posted by Joe Beese at 3:11 PM on March 9, 2009 [3 favorites]


Insane Clown Posse isn't on the charts either, but that's probably because it's on the left side of the Y axis.
Also, the only artist I listen to that's listed is Beck, but my SAT score says I should be listening to Sufjan Stevens, which I can't stand. Notice how people who name music just by genre tend to score lower?
posted by dunkadunc at 3:20 PM on March 9, 2009 [1 favorite]


The only examples of jazz music they could come up with were Norah Jones and Frank Sinatra? Now that is dumb.
posted by binturong at 3:21 PM on March 9, 2009 [1 favorite]


I'm also seriously disappointed by the lack of '80s punk and post-hardcore.
posted by dunkadunc at 3:24 PM on March 9, 2009


That "Einstein on the Beach" was playing as I went wading through this data is going onto my "arguments for a God" list. It's not as strong an argument as when this came on when I first started my car and turned on my MP3 player after this happened.

Yeah sure. Confirmational bias. You're just jealous because I'm smarter than you!
posted by Kid Charlemagne at 3:24 PM on March 9, 2009


So Beethoven's highest, but there's no Bach or Chopin

Worse, Beethoven is apparently the same genre as reggaeton and techno. Freude freude.
posted by dhartung at 3:38 PM on March 9, 2009 [1 favorite]


Can we for freaking once have an FPP containing a list of music WITHOUT someone chiming in with "Your favorite [whatever] sucks"
posted by mattoxic at 3:48 PM on March 9, 2009


"Musik no make me dum. Me listen to boom boom cha chunk ca chunk. Me lik sounds in hed. Make groyn go all shakey. Shakey Shakey. Shakey. Shakey liberals. Unh unh unh. And now back to you, Colmes."
posted by lalochezia at 3:50 PM on March 9, 2009 [5 favorites]


This web page makes you dumb.

I think Lil Wayne is a fucking musical genius and I scored a 1420 (pre-score inflation).

Suck it, statistics.
posted by empath at 3:51 PM on March 9, 2009


To be fair, I've listened to Your Favorite [Whatever], and they're fucking terrible. Although the single from the first album was okay.
posted by uncleozzy at 3:51 PM on March 9, 2009 [1 favorite]


I'm sorry, but Lollipop is best pop song of 2008.

Try to deny it, you can't.
posted by empath at 3:51 PM on March 9, 2009


All my high school friends who listened to Captain Beefheart are either homeless or neuroscientists.
posted by StickyCarpet at 3:57 PM on March 9, 2009 [7 favorites]


Always liked Camper van Beethoven.
posted by ijsbrand at 3:57 PM on March 9, 2009 [1 favorite]


None of the books or music I like are on either of those graphs.

The only logical conclusion is: I MUST BE OFF THE CHARTS!
posted by turgid dahlia at 3:58 PM on March 9, 2009


Am I the only one baffled that Counting Crows are popular at all, let alone among smarties?

What is it, 1994?
posted by Sys Rq at 4:03 PM on March 9, 2009 [1 favorite]


According to this, I should be a System Of A Down fan. I always found them kind of blah. Also, being smart or well-educated does not mean that one is immune from having horrible taste or being insufferable.
posted by jonmc at 4:08 PM on March 9, 2009


I didn't take the SAT.

But I did find out today that the man's given name is pronounced SOOF-yahn.
posted by droplet at 4:08 PM on March 9, 2009


Somebody must be listening to lots of Beyonce

Nobody actually listens to Beyonce. people just watch the videos to stare at her tush.
posted by jonmc at 4:11 PM on March 9, 2009 [2 favorites]


It makes you dumb? Maybe.
posted by Midnight Rambler at 4:17 PM on March 9, 2009


Of course, low SAT scores don't make you dumb, either.
posted by lunit at 4:19 PM on March 9, 2009


The very limited and arbitrary range of artists invalidates most of this, in my opinion. And JAZZ towards the lower end? There are various studies of an appreciation and/or knowledge of jazz in relation to intelligence and IQ level that would thus characterize this particular display as a load of crap.
posted by Seekerofsplendor at 4:29 PM on March 9, 2009


Of course, low SAT scores don't make you dumb, either.

Also, thermometers don't cause fever.
posted by Sys Rq at 4:30 PM on March 9, 2009 [2 favorites]


No Blues.

No Folk.

Billy Joel.



What's the use?
posted by Kirth Gerson at 4:33 PM on March 9, 2009


I can't help but feel this is mostly a study of race and educational outcomes. Our schools haven't historically done their best for African-American students. And everything on the far left has a predominantly African-American audience--jazz, gospel, numerous hip-hop and R&B acts.
posted by 1-2punch at 4:35 PM on March 9, 2009 [2 favorites]


Evidence mostly that Beethoven fans are most likely to lie about their SAT scores.
posted by ardgedee at 4:41 PM on March 9, 2009


I also note that the Ramones and the Dicatators are nowhere to be found. This must be because we fans of those bands posses intelligences to profund to be quantified by some bubble-test.
posted by jonmc at 4:43 PM on March 9, 2009 [1 favorite]


Is there an automatic negative SAT adjustment just for being findable on Facebook?

Oughta, if there isna.
posted by Construction Concern at 4:50 PM on March 9, 2009 [2 favorites]


According to this, if you listen to 311 and Linkin Park, you are as smart as if you listen to Queen

I have this theory which states that everybody, regardless of other tastes, likes Queen. Sure, there's assuredly someone out there who doesn't. But I like to ask people I know, both friends and acquaintances, and I have yet to hear "No, I don't like Queen."

So I think you have to consider Queen to be a control band is what I'm saying.
posted by Pope Guilty at 4:50 PM on March 9, 2009 [4 favorites]



No Blues.

No Folk.

and no bluegrass!
posted by GreyFoxVT at 4:55 PM on March 9, 2009 [1 favorite]


...and where the hell is Sufjan Stevens?

Oh.
posted by Brak at 4:55 PM on March 9, 2009


Of course, low SAT scores don't make you dumb, either.

More specifically, and even more obviously, attending a college with a low average SAT score doesn't make you dumb.

There are various studies of an appreciation and/or knowledge of jazz in relation to intelligence and IQ level that would thus characterize this particular display as a load of crap.

Failed attempt to generate humor by deploying big words. You are hereby docked 10 IQ points.
posted by DaDaDaDave at 4:56 PM on March 9, 2009


I have this theory which states that everybody, regardless of other tastes, likes Queen.

Well, everybody I'd care to drink with, yes. Although, you haven't properly heard their material until you've heard "We Are The Champions" sung by 100 or so outer-borough drunks immediately after the Giants win the Superbowl.

also, I have never listened to Sufjan Stephens, but he hadn't been invented yet when I took the SAT.
posted by jonmc at 5:01 PM on March 9, 2009


They did this with books, and it was just as annoying then as it is now.

Besides, everybody knows that Deadheads are smarter than Phish heads.
posted by Afroblanco at 5:04 PM on March 9, 2009 [1 favorite]


Whatever. I pulled 1440 and I was listening to Geto Boyz and Brotha Lynch Hung.

Damn it feels good to be a gangsta.
posted by yeloson at 5:09 PM on March 9, 2009 [1 favorite]


*backs up in ass in the ressurection*
posted by jonmc at 5:11 PM on March 9, 2009 [2 favorites]


?
posted by found missing at 5:14 PM on March 9, 2009


Do you all realize that all the guy is doing is taking the most popular entries that students put on their Facebook pages under 'favorite music' and charting those against their colleges' average SAT scores?

I'm very amused that you all are in an uproar against the subjective implications of an objective chart.
posted by flatluigi at 5:17 PM on March 9, 2009 [1 favorite]


Hey, Metafilter, I forgot: does correlation equal causation?
posted by Curry at 5:19 PM on March 9, 2009 [1 favorite]


"But I did find out today that the man's given name is pronounced SOOF-yahn."

I know, but mispronouncing it as "Sufjan" is one of the fastest ways to out the indie douches in any group.
posted by klangklangston at 5:20 PM on March 9, 2009


I would have thought mentioning his name in conversation at all would out you as an indie douche
posted by dydecker at 5:22 PM on March 9, 2009


I like Queen a bunch and I got eight billion on my esssaaaayyytizzzles. Yiz buncha dingdongs.
posted by Divine_Wino at 5:23 PM on March 9, 2009 [4 favorites]


The Indie Douches would be a great band name.
Maybe. take my suggestion with a grain of salt. or vinegar and water.
posted by jonmc at 5:23 PM on March 9, 2009


Is this the thread where everyone brags about their SAT scores?
posted by Stewriffic at 5:33 PM on March 9, 2009


Please. I barely broke a thousand. Thankfully, I have my good looks to fall back on.
posted by jonmc at 5:35 PM on March 9, 2009


Well, bragging isn't always about being at the top.
posted by Stewriffic at 5:39 PM on March 9, 2009 [1 favorite]


"I would have thought mentioning his name in conversation at all would out you as an indie douche"

Please, let me have my shroud of fiction.
posted by klangklangston at 5:39 PM on March 9, 2009


shroud of fiction

relic of the church of metafilter
posted by found missing at 5:43 PM on March 9, 2009 [1 favorite]


klang, it's a bit of a sore spot for me because my best friend just named his newborn baby Sufjan. WTF
posted by dydecker at 5:43 PM on March 9, 2009


On a homeroom trip whitewater rafting, Sam and Greg were arguing that they should get to sit in the front row of the raft, which required the most acumen.

They'd climbed in first, and, despite having never rafted before, were putting forth a vigorous defense of their position.

"It takes the most brains," said Greg.
"And Greg got a perfect 1600 on his SATs," said Sam.
"Sam is going to Harvard," said Greg.

Their claims were undercut, somewhat, by the fact that they had their helmets on backwards.
posted by klangklangston at 5:46 PM on March 9, 2009 [2 favorites]


What kind of music do people with scores above 1436 like? Mozart perhaps? He appears conspicuously absent from this vacuous chart.
posted by caddis at 5:51 PM on March 9, 2009


I like that I've related that Sam and Greg story a couple times (it's true!) and each time, Jon's favorited it.

You're only feeding the beast, Jon!
posted by klangklangston at 5:53 PM on March 9, 2009


But yeah, as for the chart: as you'd expect it doesn't say anything at all about the worth of particular music--anecdotally, I'd say intelligence and interest in music aren't too correlated--but it does confirm that musical taste is a bit of a proxy for class.
posted by dydecker at 5:54 PM on March 9, 2009 [2 favorites]


More cow bell curve!
posted by found missing at 5:55 PM on March 9, 2009 [6 favorites]


really? I don't remember it.
posted by jonmc at 5:58 PM on March 9, 2009


Regardless, I'm thinking that socioeconomic class has a lot to do with any correlations between crappy SAT scores and liking bad rap. Likewise, the people who listen to Beethoven are probably well-to-do kids who go to music school.
posted by dunkadunc at 6:01 PM on March 9, 2009


He only omitted Harvey Mudd College to avoid embarrassing Caltech.
posted by exogenous at 6:11 PM on March 9, 2009


According to this chart, I don't like music.
posted by Xezlec at 6:13 PM on March 9, 2009 [3 favorites]


I like that all jazz is lumped into one category and is somewhere in the 900s.
posted by not applicable at 7:01 PM on March 9, 2009


No Pink Floyd?
posted by Pastabagel at 7:16 PM on March 9, 2009 [1 favorite]


I scored a perfect 1800, but no one ever believes me when I tell them that.
posted by Bort at 7:20 PM on March 9, 2009 [1 favorite]


my favot bands are batoven and surf jam steven
posted by Eater at 7:26 PM on March 9, 2009 [7 favorites]


But how do you shoe a hose?

"Go on horse, get!"
posted by Pollomacho at 7:31 PM on March 9, 2009


I would totally listen to Surf Jam Steven. I don't even care.
posted by nebulawindphone at 7:33 PM on March 9, 2009 [1 favorite]


I like that all jazz is lumped into one category and is somewhere in the 900s.

I think those and similar are people who put plain "Jazz" or "Rock" or whatever as an item in their Favorite Music.
posted by TheOnlyCoolTim at 8:03 PM on March 9, 2009


I don't really see how adding an extra section to the SATs is really the same thing as inflating it, guys, but feel free to keep feeling superior to Kids These Days.

Also, re: the Counting Crows rankings: surely this is a mistake.
posted by naoko at 8:41 PM on March 9, 2009


Counting Crows? Beaugharghblauygh.

Am I the only one baffled that Counting Crows are popular at all, let alone among smarties? What is it, 1994?

Also, re: the Counting Crows rankings: surely this is a mistake.


F you all too.
;-)
posted by ALongDecember at 9:45 PM on March 9, 2009 [5 favorites]


Oh I thought this was going to be an article about the Notorious BIG.


Yeah, I said it. Come and get me.
posted by fuq at 11:22 PM on March 9, 2009


No Pink Floyd?

Dude, its right there.

*points to pink floyd*


..No Aphex Twin?
posted by 5imian at 11:58 PM on March 9, 2009


Again, it's only the most popular entries that are charted, so don't feel bad if your personal favorite bands aren't there.

Christ, doesn't anyone click on the links these days?
posted by flatluigi at 12:10 AM on March 10, 2009


I think this chart would be very interesting if it went by the bands that people don't like.
posted by dunkadunc at 5:49 AM on March 10, 2009


caddis: Above 1436 it loops back around to the 1150-1250 range, but we really understand it.
posted by rusty at 7:06 AM on March 10, 2009


So who's going to write the app that cross-checks this with Last.fm user data to guess people's SAT scores?
posted by anthom at 8:24 AM on March 10, 2009


I can't stand Sufjan Stevens. I can't figure out whether that makes me really smart or dumb.
posted by Metroid Baby at 10:56 AM on March 10, 2009


Whatever. There is nothing better than "Lil Waynes" immortal lyrics in "Mrs. Officer"

"She know I'm wrong, she know I'm from the streets,
But all she want me to do is fuck tha police"

Comedy gold teefs, my friend.
posted by 8-bit floozy at 2:59 PM on March 10, 2009


My score isn't on this chart. (It was 230.)
posted by shakespeherian at 9:07 PM on March 10, 2009


Huh. According to that chart, apparently there are colleges where the average SAT score is 836.
posted by AsYouKnow Bob at 11:30 PM on March 10, 2009


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