Politics as usual
March 16, 2009 7:38 AM Subscribe
A Straight Look at the Jewish Lobby from the Institute of Historical Review might help to explain the scuttling of the Chas Freeman appointment. which even American Conservative considered the “self-lobotimization” of US foreign policy that the campaign to discredit
Freeman represented.
Freeman Calls Out Israel Lobby and the WaPo board burst a blood vessel. His resignation raises questions about the state of democracy in Washington. Meanwhile the view from Israel: When lobbies collide
Freeman Calls Out Israel Lobby and the WaPo board burst a blood vessel. His resignation raises questions about the state of democracy in Washington. Meanwhile the view from Israel: When lobbies collide
This post was deleted for the following reason: Building a post around a link to a holocaust revisionist site is kind of dooming it out of the gate. -- cortex
...from the Institute of Historical Review...
Yeah, you might want to take another look at that.
posted by kickingtheground at 7:51 AM on March 16, 2009 [3 favorites]
Yeah, you might want to take another look at that.
posted by kickingtheground at 7:51 AM on March 16, 2009 [3 favorites]
Politics as Jewsual.
posted by gman at 7:52 AM on March 16, 2009 [2 favorites]
posted by gman at 7:52 AM on March 16, 2009 [2 favorites]
The Institute for Historical Review?
Jesus. We'll post links to anywhere, won't we?
posted by I_pity_the_fool at 7:55 AM on March 16, 2009 [3 favorites]
Jesus. We'll post links to anywhere, won't we?
posted by I_pity_the_fool at 7:55 AM on March 16, 2009 [3 favorites]
Here's a Glenn Greenwald Rant about that WaPo editorial which was shockingly dishonest about the Chas Freeman thing.
I mean, you basically have the WaPo accusing him of being a raving anti-Semite seeing "Jewish conspiracies" (they call it a 'libel' even) because "for the record" AIPAC said they, as an institution, didn't have a position on him (and because they were never called during the brouhaha). Never mind that fact that several people associated with AIPAC, or big Israel boosters complained publicly on their blogs, and that Chuck Shumer actually said that it was because of his Israel views that he didn't get the job.
This just a few weeks after George Will's totally false global warming editorial.
It's really amazing, but it seems as though the Washington Post feels like it's perfictly fine to lie on in their editorial pages, even if it's to smear someone with vile charges.
posted by delmoi at 7:55 AM on March 16, 2009
I mean, you basically have the WaPo accusing him of being a raving anti-Semite seeing "Jewish conspiracies" (they call it a 'libel' even) because "for the record" AIPAC said they, as an institution, didn't have a position on him (and because they were never called during the brouhaha). Never mind that fact that several people associated with AIPAC, or big Israel boosters complained publicly on their blogs, and that Chuck Shumer actually said that it was because of his Israel views that he didn't get the job.
This just a few weeks after George Will's totally false global warming editorial.
It's really amazing, but it seems as though the Washington Post feels like it's perfictly fine to lie on in their editorial pages, even if it's to smear someone with vile charges.
posted by delmoi at 7:55 AM on March 16, 2009
Hmm, linking to a crackpot site doesn't really help, thoug
posted by delmoi at 7:57 AM on March 16, 2009 [1 favorite]
posted by delmoi at 7:57 AM on March 16, 2009 [1 favorite]
I feel like there's serious problems behind the torpedoing of Freeman's bid for office, but linking to an article by the IHR about Judaism is like buying a box of Willy Wonka chocolates - you never know what you're going to get, but there's a good chance it'll be crazy and anti-semitic.
Zing, Roald Dahl.
posted by Mali at 8:01 AM on March 16, 2009
Zing, Roald Dahl.
posted by Mali at 8:01 AM on March 16, 2009
Yes, this is a really good time to review the Israel/US relationship, but IHR is a Holocaust-denial site -- not trustworthy.
posted by mr5roses at 8:03 AM on March 16, 2009 [3 favorites]
posted by mr5roses at 8:03 AM on March 16, 2009 [3 favorites]
As some of you may well know, I am an ardent supporter of Israel. But I am also an ardent supporter of Truth
http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2009/03/10/freeman/index.html
posted by Postroad at 8:04 AM on March 16, 2009 [1 favorite]
http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2009/03/10/freeman/index.html
posted by Postroad at 8:04 AM on March 16, 2009 [1 favorite]
Are you serious? you linked to a "straight look" at the jewish lobby written by Mark Weber, who said "The Holocaust is a religion. Its underpinnings in the realm of historical fact are non-existent --no Hitler order, no plan, no budget, no gas chambers, no autopsies of gassed victims, no bones, no ashes, no skulls, no nothing.... Secondly, it's a religion for losers.... "
This guy is worthless.
posted by milestogo at 8:05 AM on March 16, 2009 [2 favorites]
This guy is worthless.
posted by milestogo at 8:05 AM on March 16, 2009 [2 favorites]
But I am also an ardent supporter of Truth
That I did not know.
posted by gman at 8:05 AM on March 16, 2009 [1 favorite]
That I did not know.
posted by gman at 8:05 AM on March 16, 2009 [1 favorite]
The Institute for Historical Review. Really.
adamvasco, are you drunk? Why not just link to Stormfront? Oh, wait, you linked to The American Conservative. Close enough.
posted by Slithy_Tove at 8:06 AM on March 16, 2009 [1 favorite]
adamvasco, are you drunk? Why not just link to Stormfront? Oh, wait, you linked to The American Conservative. Close enough.
posted by Slithy_Tove at 8:06 AM on March 16, 2009 [1 favorite]
It's really sad that the US's obsession with Israel is constantly tied to historical revisionists and anti-semites with posts like these, because we really need to discuss the former without the latter muddying the water.
posted by DU at 8:14 AM on March 16, 2009 [1 favorite]
posted by DU at 8:14 AM on March 16, 2009 [1 favorite]
The fact that you refer to the Right-wing Israel lobby as the "Jewish" lobby made the link to the IHR no surprise.
Do you really not know what these people are about? Are you that naive? Your rhetoric makes me doubt it.
posted by foxy_hedgehog at 8:17 AM on March 16, 2009 [1 favorite]
Do you really not know what these people are about? Are you that naive? Your rhetoric makes me doubt it.
posted by foxy_hedgehog at 8:17 AM on March 16, 2009 [1 favorite]
My cursor was hovering over the "flag" button when I accidentally favorited it for a couple seconds instead. I am so ashamed.
posted by zoomorphic at 8:20 AM on March 16, 2009
posted by zoomorphic at 8:20 AM on March 16, 2009
As a Jew, I like to say "You don't have be antisemitic to be anti-Israel. But it helps."
posted by Joe Beese at 8:22 AM on March 16, 2009
posted by Joe Beese at 8:22 AM on March 16, 2009
Here's a Glenn Greenwald Rant
Folks should start there instead of adamvasco's unfortunate link to a Holocaust denial organization. Oh, and minor point, delmoi, but Greenwald's piece on the Freeman flap is about as far from the definition of "rant" as it's possible to get. He never lets his anger get in the way of detailed, thoughtful, tenacious digging.
There's lots that has been said about the 'pro-rightwing Israeli politicians' lobby in the United States and the way it distorts debate so that conversations that occur even in the Israeli press almost never occur here. No need to go to the IHR.
posted by mediareport at 8:23 AM on March 16, 2009
Folks should start there instead of adamvasco's unfortunate link to a Holocaust denial organization. Oh, and minor point, delmoi, but Greenwald's piece on the Freeman flap is about as far from the definition of "rant" as it's possible to get. He never lets his anger get in the way of detailed, thoughtful, tenacious digging.
There's lots that has been said about the 'pro-rightwing Israeli politicians' lobby in the United States and the way it distorts debate so that conversations that occur even in the Israeli press almost never occur here. No need to go to the IHR.
posted by mediareport at 8:23 AM on March 16, 2009
adamvasco, are you drunk? Why not just link to Stormfront? Oh, wait, you linked to The American Conservative. Close enough.
Daniel Larison = Stormfront? Wow. Slithy_Tove, you either are ignorant of Larison's work or you know of it and are wearing blinders.
And while the Chas Freeman fiasco would make an interesting subject for a post, linking to the IHR kills the while thing dead. Maybe I'll do one if this gets deleted.
posted by cimbrog at 8:24 AM on March 16, 2009
Daniel Larison = Stormfront? Wow. Slithy_Tove, you either are ignorant of Larison's work or you know of it and are wearing blinders.
And while the Chas Freeman fiasco would make an interesting subject for a post, linking to the IHR kills the while thing dead. Maybe I'll do one if this gets deleted.
posted by cimbrog at 8:24 AM on March 16, 2009
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Israel aside, the monetisation of democracy in the US - to the eyes of this non-American - is grotesque. Perhaps more grotesque is that virtually all politicians, by virtue their dependency on campaign finance, are either unable or unwilling to take a stand and rein in the escalating levels of funding and their role in bastardising US policymaking.
posted by MuffinMan at 7:46 AM on March 16, 2009