Been to Cuba/Laos/Vietnam/China/Tibet/Burma/North Korea... recently?
You want real communism, join the Hutterites or join a Kibbutz, otherwise don't you dare fucking pretend that stealing from me, disenfranchising me, dehumanizing me, coercing my labor, policing my thoughts and deeds, and sacrificing my life under state terror isn't a cold-blooded and hate-filled ideology. You can certainly shove that "Cold War propaganda" bullshit right up your ass; Communism is murder and terror--the most destructive, blood-stained, and anti-human dogma in the history of man.
The Cold War is over, unfortunately.
Get it through your heads, we built a society, Great or not, based on the suspended animation of continous war...
Through assasination, starvation and imprisonment
Let's make something clear, I could give a shit what you believe "real" Communism is, or how benign you think Karl Marx's ideas are...
If you can't be bothered to distinguish yourself or your beliefs from Communism...
brain in my head
...the experiment was repeated dozens of times across the world: slavery, genocide, police state, and terror famines. Communism is as Communism does.
I wasn't praising the American way of life as we know it, I was simply pointing out that the majority of our institutions have a mindset...
The desire to label anyone whose ideas you don't like as a commie: another side effect of swallowing Cold War propaganda hook, line, and sinker.
Sorry, but I did not do this. You were the one...
Do you extend the same logic to Fascism?
I was a little kid during what lasted of the cold war you asshole.
There is, of course, a benign kind of Communism... it's commune-ism.
...it is anti-democracy that we should fear, not the dislike of free markets.
an ideology which was constantly being shaped and changed in practice by those who were in power
Your "real" beliefs are immaterial, as I said.
Conflating Communism with socialism, much less liberalism, is itself a political statement.
People who like to use scare words and rhetorical labels in politics and political discussions, such as "communist", "socialist", "Fascist", and "Nazi", as an attempt to paint their interlocutors as the bad guys or as evil with no regard to their actual political practices and beliefs, are complete and utter asshats and hence should be ignored.
Because people that down-play or soft-peddle Nazi enormity get shamed and face social penalties from people of all political persuasions.
AMY GOODMAN: Senator Sanders, you’re the independent senator from Vermont. For years, you called yourself a socialist. You hear the Republicans saying we’re not going to socialize this, for example, healthcare, etc. What is socialism? And where do you think it applies today?
SEN. BERNIE SANDERS: Well, I think if people take a good look at what has gone on in Scandinavia, in Finland, Norway, Denmark, Sweden, some other European countries, what they will find is that the people in those countries have good quality healthcare which is virtually free. Workers have, in some cases, thirty, forty days paid vacation. A college education in many of these countries is either free or virtually free. At a time when our country has an 18 percent rate of childhood poverty, which leads to so many people ending up in jail, in many of these countries the poverty rate for kids, and poverty in general, is three, four, five percent. Workers are more likely to be members of unions and have more power on their jobs to protect their own interests. People’s interest in politics and the political process is greater. So I think what you have seen is governments which are more responsive to the needs of working people and the middle class than certainly is in this country, where, among other things, we have by far the highest rate of inequality, in terms of distribution of wealth and income, of any major country on earth.
So what democratic socialism means to me is having a government which represents the middle class and working people, which guarantees the basic necessities of life for all of our people. Healthcare, obviously, has got to be a right, not a privilege. We need to make sure that our kids get off to a good start in life, not seeing so many kids living in poverty, childcare being the disastrous disaster that it is right now with so many working families unable to find quality affordable childcare. In other words, a government which works to protect all of the people, rather than, as we have right now, governments for so many years which have protected the needs of the very wealthy and the powerful large corporations.
AMY GOODMAN: Do you consider yourself a socialist today?
SEN. BERNIE SANDERS: Democratic socialist, yes.
It's sickening and sad, but I am encouraged that as scholarship surrounding Communism continues to grow, and genuinely Cold War-inspired anti-anti-Communism attitudes continue to subside, the youngest generations move closer to my attitude.
Maybe the key is to limit the size of corporations. They could only get so big before they had to stop growing.
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