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	<pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2009 18:54:45 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>C-SPAN in its dirty thirties</title>
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		<description>March 19, 1979 - The United States House of Representatives goes live on television for the first time in history. Footage from the House floor aired on a network created by a consortium of American cable companies. The first member of Congress to speak? &lt;a href=&quot;rtsp://video1.c-span.org/project/spec/spec_e031904_firsthouse.rm?&quot;&gt;Al Gore&lt;/a&gt; &lt;small&gt;(Sorry, only seems to be available on Real Player. &lt;a href=&quot;http://c-span.org/c-span25/index.asp&quot;&gt;Embedded video&lt;/a&gt;, in case weird link fails).&lt;/small&gt; &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;2009 marks the &lt;a href=&quot;http://c-span.org/30Years/default.aspx&quot;&gt;30th anniversary&lt;/a&gt; of &lt;a href=&quot;http://c-span.org/&quot;&gt;C-SPAN&lt;/a&gt;. Since 1979, C-SPAN has broadcast over 19,000 hours of Congressional Committee hearings, &lt;a href=&quot;http://briefingroom.thehill.com/2009/03/19/happy-birthday-c-span/&quot;&gt;26,000 hours&lt;/a&gt; of U.S. House debate. A &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.c-span.org/C-SPAN25/hart_release.asp&quot;&gt;2004 viewership survey&lt;/a&gt; estimated 42 percent of cable/satellite viewers, across various demographics, watched C-SPAN at least once or twice per week. &lt;small&gt;(&lt;a href=&quot;http://c-span.org/C-SPAN25/Re7201.pdf&quot;&gt;Report overview - PDF&lt;/a&gt;)&lt;/small&gt; In 2006, a Pew report put the number at &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.c-span.org/about/pewfindings.asp&quot;&gt;59 million &quot;regular&quot; or &quot;sometimes&quot; viewers&lt;/a&gt;. &lt;small&gt;(&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.c-span.org/pdf/2006pewreport.pdf&quot;&gt;Full report - PDF&lt;/a&gt;)&lt;/small&gt;

C-SPAN was founded by &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Lamb&quot;&gt;Brian&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cablecenter.org/education/library/oralHistoryDetails.cfm?id=132&quot;&gt;P.&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=1760546&quot;&gt;Lamb&lt;/a&gt;, a naval veteran who was a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.neh.gov/news/humanities/2003-03/channel.html&quot;&gt;social aide to Lyndon Johnson&lt;/a&gt; and worked for Richard Nixon. In 1986, the U.S. Senate joined the live TV fray when &lt;a href=&quot;http://c-span.org/about/company/index.asp?code=COMPANY&quot;&gt;C-SPAN2 began broadcasting&lt;/a&gt;. C-SPAN3 began offering further public affairs programming in 1997. None of non-profit C-SPAN networks &lt;a href=&quot;http://c-span.org/about/index.asp?code=ABOUT&quot;&gt;receive government funding of any kind&lt;/a&gt;.

The C-SPAN of 2009 reaches &lt;a href=&quot;http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/entertainment/zontv/2009/03/cspan_turns_30_today_and_its_g.html&quot;&gt;97 million households&lt;/a&gt;, a far cry from the 3.5 million households it reached on its inception. C-SPAN and its sister networks have &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.startribune.com/opinion/41533482.html?elr=KArksLckD8EQDUoaEyqyP4O:DW3ckUiD3aPc:_Yyc:aUUsZ&quot;&gt;quietly&lt;/a&gt; contributed to the political discourse through it&apos;s coverage of the House, its &lt;a href=&quot;http://c-span.org/camerasinthecourt/&quot;&gt;advocacy for cameras in the courts&lt;/a&gt;, and its many series, such as &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.booktv.org/&quot;&gt;Book TV&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href=&quot;http://c-span.org/Series/Washington-Journal.aspx&quot;&gt;Washington Journal&lt;/a&gt;.  Much of their video material is available on the web, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.c-spanarchives.org/library/index.php?main_page=index&quot;&gt;archived&lt;/a&gt;, or &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.c-spanarchives.org/library/index.php?main_page=schedule&quot;&gt;streaming&lt;/a&gt;. In February 2009 the network released its &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.c-span.org/PresidentialSurvey/presidential-leadership-survey.aspx&quot;&gt;Second Historians Presidential Leadership Survey&lt;/a&gt;, which garnered &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29211562/?GT1=43001&quot;&gt;some noise&lt;/a&gt; in the media. There is also evidence that C-SPAN&apos;s viewers are &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/generalities/cspan_turns_30_111818.asp&quot;&gt;more active citizens&lt;/a&gt; than their non-C-SPAN viewing neighbors. Although, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cepr.net/documents/publications/1207_cspan.pdf&quot;&gt;the network&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=2764&quot;&gt;its programming&lt;/a&gt; have sometimes been criticized for conservative bias.

Happy late birthday to C-SPAN!</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2009 18:42:21 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: wcfields</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/80238/CSPAN-in-its-dirty-thirties#2498787</link>	
		<description>Thank you Washington Journal and Thank you for C-Span</description>
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		<title>By: Lemurrhea</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/80238/CSPAN-in-its-dirty-thirties#2498790</link>	
		<description>They also have a very friendly &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.c-span.org/about/copyright.asp&quot;&gt;copyright policy&lt;/a&gt;, in essence treating all of their video as a noncommercial-attribution license, and explicitly acknowledging fair use exemptions.  Good on them.

And great post, very interesting.  I wonder how much C-SPAN one has to watch to be a &apos;sometimes&apos; viewer.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2009 18:59:54 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: krinklyfig</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/80238/CSPAN-in-its-dirty-thirties#2498792</link>	
		<description>Frank Zappa hated television, but he watched C-SPAN religiously after he got involved in politics as a result of the PMRC hearings. It&apos;s a very worthwhile use of such a communication medium. I think this sort of thing should be permanently funded by the government, but at least someone had the vision to get it started as a non-profit.

But I do find it amusing that Gore&apos;s historic appearance is only available on perhaps the most reviled of proprietary embedded media formats.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2009 19:00:13 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Ironmouth</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/80238/CSPAN-in-its-dirty-thirties#2498797</link>	
		<description>&lt;em&gt;The first member of Congress to speak? Al Gore.&lt;/em&gt;

Then B-1 Bob Dornan spoke for six years straight.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2009 19:10:02 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: box</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/80238/CSPAN-in-its-dirty-thirties#2498801</link>	
		<description>I like &lt;em&gt;Book TV&lt;/em&gt;, and I love C-SPAN&apos;s debate coverage.  Thanks!</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2009 19:15:27 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Smedleyman</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/80238/CSPAN-in-its-dirty-thirties#2498820</link>	
		<description>Man, finally, the U.S. house of Reps on t.v! Live! First time in history, what a historic moment. Man this is going to be exciting!
*turns on tube*
Gore: First...I think...we should begin....by thinking... about....drone.... drone... drone...
*turns off tube*

Seriously, best thing since sliced bread. I think the only time it fails is when it does what pretty much every other cable show seems to do, not do what it says it&apos;s there for. 
Like M-TV. Can&apos;t remember the last time I saw an actual music video on there. Or even something music related other than vaguely tangentially related.
But otherwise, just putting the cameras in the room? Marvelous!</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2009 19:39:17 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: marxchivist</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/80238/CSPAN-in-its-dirty-thirties#2498821</link>	
		<description>I used to looove &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.booktv.org/&quot;&gt;Book TV&lt;/a&gt; when I had more time to watch  television. (When I was in grad school, go figure.) Brian Lamb&apos;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.americanpresidents.org/&quot;&gt;series on U.S. Presidents&lt;/a&gt; was fantastic. Episodes on presidents like Zachary Taylor and Millard Fillmore were actually more interesting than the more famous presidents. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.jewishworldreview.com/weekly/standard110399.asp&quot;&gt;One reviewer&lt;/a&gt; said the series &quot;gave us a little more than we need to know on the &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilmot_Proviso&quot;&gt;Wilmot Proviso&lt;/a&gt;.&quot; That&apos;s aces in my book.

Happy Birthday C-Span!

Oh, and...

Metafilter: a Little Bit More than we need to know on the Wilmot Proviso</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2009 19:40:25 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: IvoShandor</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/80238/CSPAN-in-its-dirty-thirties#2498823</link>	
		<description>&lt;i&gt;I wonder how much C-SPAN one has to watch to be a &apos;sometimes&apos; viewer.&lt;/i&gt;

I think I saw somewhere it was once or twice a week, can&apos;t remember if I linked that in there or not.

&lt;i&gt;But I do find it amusing that Gore&apos;s historic appearance is only available on perhaps the most reviled of proprietary embedded media formats.&lt;/i&gt;

Those who find both terribly boring might find it amusing that C-SPAN&apos;s premiere broadcast featured Al Gore. Heh. Also, maybe someone could upload it to YouTube? Would their copyright permit that, I&apos;m not talented enough for such a task.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2009 19:43:36 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: matty</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/80238/CSPAN-in-its-dirty-thirties#2498829</link>	
		<description>Most. Boring. Station. Ever.

Just after MTV.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2009 19:55:44 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: starman</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/80238/CSPAN-in-its-dirty-thirties#2498857</link>	
		<description>Al Gore later suggested that Congress should debate on C-SPAN live in primetime.  And they should be allowed to show people sitting (or not sitting) in their seats.  Maybe not very realistic, but I like that idea.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2009 20:25:27 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Ironmouth</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/80238/CSPAN-in-its-dirty-thirties#2498935</link>	
		<description>Sometimes it is awesome and exciting, like when Mean Jean Shaheen totally went nuts on Murtha. He had put a tough symbolic bill on Iraq out there and as a former Marine Col. and Vietnam Vet, it had weight. Shaheen got some military guy in her district to call him a coward. Harold Ford totally lost it. You see, it is against the rules to insult another member of the House while holding the floor. Shaheen was whisked off the floor and was no doubt worked over by Tom Delay in the backroom. The money I would have paid to see that. Anyway, Shaheen comes out and formally withdraws her comment.   Looking back I realize it was the time when it became painfully obvious that the Republicans were just going too far on waiving the bloody shirt on Iraq. It was the beginning of the end for their majority.</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2009 22:03:19 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: pwb503</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/80238/CSPAN-in-its-dirty-thirties#2498947</link>	
		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/help/faq/download_and_install_realplayer.shtml&quot;&gt;RealPlayer&lt;/a&gt; without the adds from the BBC...</description>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2009 22:12:41 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Thorzdad</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/80238/CSPAN-in-its-dirty-thirties#2499072</link>	
		<description>I miss C-SPAN.
Well over a year ago, Comcast moved all C-SPAN channels off their analog service.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 04:33:32 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: IvoShandor</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/80238/CSPAN-in-its-dirty-thirties#2499088</link>	
		<description>&lt;i&gt;I miss C-SPAN.&lt;/i&gt;

You can stream it, see the link above, you should be able to get to whatever is on now, which is Washington Journal.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 05:20:20 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: krinklyfig</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/80238/CSPAN-in-its-dirty-thirties#2499344</link>	
		<description>&lt;em&gt;&quot;Sometimes it is awesome and exciting, like when Mean Jean Shaheen totally went nuts on Murtha.&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

That was actually &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.huffingtonpost.com/max-blumenthal/who-is-mean-jeans-marine_b_10993.html&quot;&gt;Rep Jean Schmidt of Ohio&lt;/a&gt;. Jean Shaheen is a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.jeanneshaheen.org/&quot;&gt;NH Senator&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 09:31:52 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Ironmouth</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/80238/CSPAN-in-its-dirty-thirties#2499495</link>	
		<description>Uh, yeah, sorry. I got all mixed up there. It is Jean Schmidt. I guess I just liked the Jean and Shaheen and forgot it was Schmidt.

Sorry Sen. Shaheen. I know you&apos;re on the side of light.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 11:21:27 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: champthom</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/80238/CSPAN-in-its-dirty-thirties#2513688</link>	
		<description>I once made out with a girl while watching Supreme Court confirmation hearings on C-SPAN.

True story.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Apr 2009 10:04:39 -0800</pubDate>
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