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	<title>Comments on: Race driver Lloyd Ruby dies at 81</title>
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	<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 14:20:44 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>Race driver Lloyd Ruby dies at 81</title>
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		<description>&lt;a href="http://www.autoweek.com/article/20090324/IRL/903249984"&gt;The best driver never to win the Indy 500.&lt;/a&gt; Despite winning in midgets, stock cars, and both the Sebring and Daytona road races, he will always be best known for the one race he didn&apos;t win - despite running in it for eighteen consecutive years. Though he would like to be remembered &quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.motortrend.com/classic/features/c12_0603_lloyd_ruby_racing_legend/index.html&quot;&gt;just as old me. I enjoyed racing&lt;/a&gt;,&quot; if you ask a Gurney, Andretti or Foyt and they&apos;ll tell you he&apos;s &quot;a soft-spoken Texas lead foot with enormous natural talent.&quot; Race driving legend Lloyd Ruby &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/25/sports/auto-racing/25ruby.html&quot;&gt;passes away&lt;/a&gt; at age 81 in his hometown of Wichita Falls, Texas.</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 14:12:28 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Navelgazer</title>
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		<title>By: Thorzdad</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 14:33:12 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: found missing</title>
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		<description>.-. .. .--.</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 15:11:06 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: DevilsAdvocate</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/80332/Race-driver-Lloyd-Ruby-dies-at-81#2502503</link>	
		<description>.

That being [un]said, &quot;best driver never to win the Indy 500&quot; is debatable.  Certainly a strong case could be made for Michael Andretti.</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 15:14:06 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Zambrano</title>
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&lt;em&gt;Certainly a strong case could be made for Michael Andretti.&lt;/em&gt;

Then an even stronger case could be made for Nigel Mansell, who replaced Andretti at Newman-Haas after Michael left, thinking he was good enough for Formula One.</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 15:28:36 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: mark242</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/80332/Race-driver-Lloyd-Ruby-dies-at-81#2502541</link>	
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&lt;i&gt;Then an even stronger case could be made for Nigel Mansell, who replaced Andretti at Newman-Haas after Michael left, thinking he was good enough for Formula One.&lt;/i&gt;

Michael was good enough for Formula One.  His ride wasn&apos;t.  There&apos;s a difference.  (Juan Pablo Montoya will tell you all about that difference)

And by the way, an even stronger case could be made for Paul Tracy, except &lt;i&gt;HE WON THE 2002 RACE, GODDAMMIT!&lt;/i&gt;</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 15:37:25 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Danf</title>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_Freeland&quot;&gt;Don Freeland&lt;/a&gt; was a family acquaintance.  It was fascinating to see his slideshows of Indy (while all the adults sat around and drank), and then listen on raceday.  He never won, but must have been a fun life.  I was too young to be anything other than awestruck, even though we were not racing fans, per se.</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 18:56:17 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Brockles</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/80332/Race-driver-Lloyd-Ruby-dies-at-81#2502881</link>	
		<description>&lt;i&gt;Michael was good enough for Formula One. His ride wasn&apos;t.&lt;/i&gt;

That&apos;s funny. Almost as funny as the &quot;They had to make Andretti look bad so they could sign Hakinnen&quot;. Using Montoya as an example of someone being let down by a car? That&apos;s even funnier. There just are drivers in this world that can excel at one level, but fall over when they try and move up. Some people just can&apos;t get over the fact that F1 is a huge, huge amount harder than any level of US motorsport. It just doesn&apos;t compare.

&lt;i&gt;That&lt;/i&gt; is why these cross-Atlantic jumps fail (not so much in the other direction, however, and Mansell is a good example). It&apos;s not because US drivers get &apos;bad rides&apos; or &apos;get screwed by the team&apos;, it&apos;s simply because motorsport over here is nowhere near as competitive as the environment that maintains and feeds Formula 1. European racing and US racing are very much two different worlds, and this doesn&apos;t seem to be recognised by anyone this side of the pond. Having switched from one side of the industry to the other myself, the difference couldn&apos;t be more obvious.</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 21:22:10 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: ambient2</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/80332/Race-driver-Lloyd-Ruby-dies-at-81#2502922</link>	
		<description>When I was about 7, my dad took me to the Brickyard to watch practice for the Inday 500. I was flabbergasted: The size, the sounds, the cars, the speeds. I had never encountered anything like that or close. I even got an autograph: Lloyd Ruby.</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 22:29:32 -0800</pubDate>
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