Comments on: Stringer and McNulty are coming home!

Stringer and McNulty are coming home!

goodnewsfortheinsane — Mon, 30 Mar 2009 15:15:53 -0800

Blatantly jumping on the opportunity to create yet another thread on The Wire, I'd like to remind you that starting tonight, BBC 2 will air the entire series start to finish, an episode every weekday. First episode starts in a moment, at 11:20 PM UK time. Watch!

I've you've never heard of the show before, here's a good write-up by Charlie Brooker, who also made a nice TV special on the show. We've discussed the series quite a bit around here and on the Green. [SPOILERS] The final season wrapped up last year in the States, and while it never reached very large TV audiences it gained a rabidly evangelic cult following. Moreover, it seems to have been almost universally liked by the Metafilter contingent, which is definitely a rarity. In any case, this should be a brilliant opportunity for those in the British Isles and elsewhere in Europe to catch up, so good luck and have fun.

By: turgid dahlia

turgid dahlia — Mon, 30 Mar 2009 15:19:56 -0800

I just wish one TV station here in Australia had the balls to show The Wire. It doesn't matter to me in the slightest since I own all the seasons (about due for my own personal rerun, come to think of it), but, jeez, it would be nice to at least talk to somebody else about it.

By: Joe Beese

Joe Beese — Mon, 30 Mar 2009 15:22:57 -0800

Did anyone catch Stringer Bell on The No. 1 Ladies' Detective Agency last night? Keepin' it gangsta on two continents.

By: turgid dahlia

turgid dahlia — Mon, 30 Mar 2009 15:24:01 -0800

Also, one of my favourite quotes from the series: Stringer: Are you takin' notes on a fuckin' criminal conspiracy?

By: WolfDaddy

WolfDaddy — Mon, 30 Mar 2009 15:29:49 -0800

I'd really love to see a David Simon show set in the White House. Like, NAO.

By: dolca

dolca — Mon, 30 Mar 2009 15:38:13 -0800

They're not showing it on the iPlayer for some reason. I was all happy getting ready to be camped out in front of iPlayer for the evening with Stewart Lee and the Wire, but Stewart Lee wasn't nearly as good as the first two, and now no (The?) Wire. Guess I'll just have to watch it in low resolution on the internet like I always do, just to celebrate the occasion. Really hope it becomes popular with the British terrestrial tv-viewing public though.

By: christhelongtimelurker

christhelongtimelurker — Mon, 30 Mar 2009 15:43:22 -0800

Idris Elba, the actor who plays Stringer Bell, has also been in a few recent episodes of the Office. The man is a superb actor, has lived an interesting life and I think I might have a bit of a man crush on him.

By: flippant

flippant — Mon, 30 Mar 2009 15:45:17 -0800

Good on them! The brits don't mind the odd bit of swearing and are already disillusioned, so I can see why this is possible.

By: djgh

djgh — Mon, 30 Mar 2009 15:51:17 -0800

doica, probably rights issues, or it could be because it's being broadcast as I type (fear not, gentle reader - I have watched all five seasons, and have my own copies of every episode, so I'm not missing out by bringing you this infomercial), and they're often slow to update. Wait 'til tomorrow, see if it's on iPlayer.

By: about_time

about_time — Mon, 30 Mar 2009 15:53:33 -0800

The novel that the series is based on, "Homicide: A Year on the Killing Streets" by David Simon, is quite good too.

By: LionIndex

LionIndex — Mon, 30 Mar 2009 15:54:16 -0800

I see people from The Wire in all sorts of funny spots in movies and TV - probably the most ironic one was that the guy who played Scott Templeton (the fabricating reporter from season 5) played the son of one of the guys in Flags of our Fathers, and was writing a book on their experiences; basically being a reporter again. The movie also features Chris Bauer (Frank Sobotka) in a minor governmental role.

By: sidereal

sidereal — Mon, 30 Mar 2009 16:00:11 -0800

I, for one, enjoy all FPPs about The Wire.

By: dolca

dolca — Mon, 30 Mar 2009 16:13:03 -0800

Yeah, djgh, I was watching Stewart Lee on BBC2 as it was broadcast earlier in the iPlayer and it was fine - hope The Wire will be up tomorrow, as there must be many people who'll miss the first episode. I'll seen it enough times and should be working anyway - just wanted to celebrate the occasion :)

By: dolca

dolca — Mon, 30 Mar 2009 16:18:14 -0800

Oh and, Jimmy McNulty criticises UK TV drama (not all that strongly)

By: arcanecrowbar

arcanecrowbar — Mon, 30 Mar 2009 16:20:52 -0800

I just wanna say that this is maybe the best opening scene in all of television history. Never before or since have less than three minutes of dialogue, acting, and directing hooked me so completely into a story.

By: fearfulsymmetry

fearfulsymmetry — Mon, 30 Mar 2009 16:35:26 -0800

Interesting to come back the first series again after watching all the rest. Third time through (yeah I watched it twice back in the day) and I'm noticing a lot of little subtleties I didn't see before. All in the game. ... and I've just realised I've missed Stewart Lee earlier tonight. To Iplayer I go...

By: grapefruitzzz

grapefruitzzz — Mon, 30 Mar 2009 16:49:16 -0800

When Charlie Brooker reviewed it last year, I was interested because I liked 'Oz' and 'Homicide', but none of the clips he showed or the characters he discussed were female. They managed better than this on 'Oz' :D Mind you, this could be Brooker's own issues and clip selection, rather than a total lack of women in the story. As I said, I loved their other programmes.

By: The Michael The

The Michael The — Mon, 30 Mar 2009 17:01:22 -0800

When Charlie Brooker reviewed it last year, I was interested because I liked 'Oz' and 'Homicide', but none of the clips he showed or the characters he discussed were female. They managed better than this on 'Oz' :D Totally Brooker... there are a few strong female parts in the show (Kima Greggs and Ronnie Pearlman particularly).

By: Rangeboy

Rangeboy — Mon, 30 Mar 2009 17:02:40 -0800

Slim Charles: What if they don't cop our re-up dough? Stringer: Well, I'ma worry about that when it happens. Until then, Mr. Charles, we're going to handle this like businessmen, sell the shit, make the profit and later for that gangsta bullshit. [Poot raises his hand.] Yeah. Poot: Do the chair know we gonna look like some punk-ass bitches out there? Stringer: Motherfucker, I will punk-ass you! Shamrock: Yo, String, Poot did have the floor, man. Stringer: Shut the fuck up, this nigga too ignorant to have the fuckin' floor!

By: wierdo

wierdo — Mon, 30 Mar 2009 17:08:34 -0800

arcanecrowbar wrote: I just wanna say that this is maybe the best opening scene in all of television history. Never before or since have less than three minutes of dialogue, acting, and directing hooked me so completely into a story. Thanks for reminding me how awesome the first season was. IMO it far outclasses the others. Not that the others aren't better than almost anything else ever shown on television, but season one puts the rest to shame. It was just that good, I guess.

By: PeterMcDermott

PeterMcDermott — Mon, 30 Mar 2009 17:14:44 -0800

The novel that the series is based on, "Homicide: A Year on the Killing Streets" by David Simon, is quite good too. A piece of reportage rather than a novel, this book spawned its own tv show, Homicide. As did Simon's next book, The Corner. (To which The Wire also owes a debt, imo.)

By: WolfDaddy

WolfDaddy — Mon, 30 Mar 2009 17:17:51 -0800

I see people from The Wire in all sorts of funny spots in movies and TV Both John Donan (Rawls) and Clarke Peters (Freamon) have popped up this year on Damages, much to my pleasure.

By: goodnewsfortheinsane

goodnewsfortheinsane — Mon, 30 Mar 2009 18:18:35 -0800

That's three mentions of Stewart Lee. Surely I can derail my own thread for a moment -- I've never heard of him, is he any good?

By: dances_with_sneetches

dances_with_sneetches — Mon, 30 Mar 2009 18:21:34 -0800

about time: The novel that the series is based on, "Homicide: A Year on the Killing Streets" by David Simon, is quite good too. It's more closely based on the nonfiction book "The Corner." (Which was made into a minseries) And Homicide is not a novel.

By: GeckoDundee

GeckoDundee — Mon, 30 Mar 2009 18:28:53 -0800

I just wish one TV station here in Australia had the balls to show The Wire. Actually, Channel Nine have shown the first four seasons and are probably about due to start showing season five soon. I know this because I discovered The Wire on Nine. Of course they show it late at night and don't promote it, but all in all they seem to treat it with much more respect than they did Sopranos. It has the same (albeit crappy) time slot every week, they don't stop running it until a season ends, and they show the whole season from start to finish. They've even been running repeats of earlier seasons before starting a new one. Having said that, I too have them on DVD and don't tend to watch on free to air. At least we know we'll have something to talk about if I ever manage to make a Brisbane meet-up.

By: Flex1970

Flex1970 — Mon, 30 Mar 2009 19:09:16 -0800

Never before or since have less than three minutes of dialogue, acting, and directing hooked me so completely into a story. arcanecrowbar...I've never seen The Wire *no cable*. I watched the scene, and am about to watch it again. I feel like I totally had my guard down on some drama stuff, which it was, and got knocked out with a right hook at the end. It never crossed my mind why Snot would be allowed to keep throwing bones. I was born in Cabrini Green so, you know, I know the types. Or, I am the type. Bizarro world, for sure. I have five nephews like them cats. Anyway, I'm going to buy them all now.

By: Bezbozhnik

Bezbozhnik — Mon, 30 Mar 2009 19:15:41 -0800

Both John Donan (Rawls) and Clarke Peters (Freamon) have popped up this year on Damages, much to my pleasure. Bunny Colvin surfaced tonight on How I Met Your Mother as the exasperated owner of a laser tag franchise.

By: jcruelty

jcruelty — Mon, 30 Mar 2009 19:22:55 -0800

That Snot story is based on a true story btw... one of the many, many things I like about The Wire is the realism.

By: jcruelty

jcruelty — Mon, 30 Mar 2009 19:24:17 -0800

And if you haven't read The Corner, do so. One of the strongest works of journalism I've ever read. It will break your heart though.

By: geoff.

geoff. — Mon, 30 Mar 2009 19:34:28 -0800

Agh, let's talk about what is really important! HBO has produced nothing since The Wire went off the air? So for awhile they had sort of a trifecta, The Wire, The Sopranos, and Sex and the City (don't laugh, I felt it parodied the excesses of the late 90s Gilded Age excesses better than it, or its fans, will ever realize, and I say this seriously as someone who watched all the episodes). Then, like guy who gets lucky and manages to get a girl way beyond his league, HBO totally goes off the deep end. In Treatment? And the show about good looking people having sex? When did HBO go all self absorbed bobo? And now I'm forced to watch this detective show set in Africa which is a step above listening to my friends who went to "New Ivies" come back from some trip and talk about how great the third world country they went to was and how I need to leave the country and explore the world because they had an amazing experience. Yeah whatever HBO, get out of the post-college daze and start producing some real drama. Oh god and you abandoned Deadwood, what the hell? At least Showtime is trying. There I said it.

By: fuzzypantalones

fuzzypantalones — Mon, 30 Mar 2009 19:39:35 -0800

the miniseries was also good. i need to check the book out.

By: troybob

troybob — Mon, 30 Mar 2009 20:04:38 -0800

Omar Little is like my favorite television character in the past decade.

By: turgid dahlia

turgid dahlia — Mon, 30 Mar 2009 20:35:22 -0800

Actually, Channel Nine have shown the first four seasons and are probably about due to start showing season five soon... For reals? Wow. Good memories here. McNulty: I'm late for soccer practice. Bubbles: Suck what?

By: kirkaracha

kirkaracha — Mon, 30 Mar 2009 21:55:12 -0800

Sheeeeeeit. McNulty and Bunk. Frankie Faison, who played Burrell, was in Do the Right Thing and is the only person to appear in all four Hannibal Lecter movies.

By: troybob

troybob — Mon, 30 Mar 2009 22:25:47 -0800

Both John Donan (Rawls) and Clarke Peters (Freamon) have popped up this year on Damages, much to my pleasure. David Costabile (editor Klebanow in season 5) is also in Damages as the detective/killer Messer. He's also in a T-Mobile commercial. I kinda have a crush on that guy.

By: Philby

Philby — Mon, 30 Mar 2009 22:30:00 -0800

Hey Turgid Dahlia- i think it was channel nine showed The Wire in Australia for a while last year- hideously out of order and in the middle of the night, as they seem to do with all the great shows here in the topsy turvy land of Oz (eg 30 Rock, Boston Legal, Curb Your Enthusiasm). But yeah, the best way is just to watch it all on DVD.

By: Philby

Philby — Mon, 30 Mar 2009 22:35:24 -0800

oh. i see that's already come up. whoops.

By: rudster

rudster — Mon, 30 Mar 2009 23:43:10 -0800

To anyone who, like me, found themselves disconsolate after having finished season five of The Wire, just allow me to say Generation Kill ... will ... fucking ... rock you like a partystar. Get some!

By: malevolent

malevolent — Tue, 31 Mar 2009 00:55:22 -0800

It's crazy that they're putting it on so late and so often. With an earlier slot once a week I think it would've built a sizeable following.

By: EndsOfInvention

EndsOfInvention — Tue, 31 Mar 2009 01:50:00 -0800

Wire wire wire everyone's always going on about the bloody wire I'M NOT INTERESTED IN YOUR ELECTRONICS PROJECT OK

By: Sparx

Sparx — Tue, 31 Mar 2009 01:56:06 -0800

David Costabile (editor Klebanow in season 5) is also in Damages as the detective/killer Messer. He's also in a T-Mobile commercial. I kinda have a crush on that guy. And he's in Flight of the Conchords as Doug, long suffering husband of their greatest fan, which really freaked me when I saw damages and flight back to back once (he's so different in the roles, even though I'd seen him a lot in both I never made the connection - I can be quite slow sometimes). Plus, of course, when Amy Ryan turned up as Holly on the Office I was all "Don't I know you from somewhere?" Scuttlebutt is she's back this season, too.

By: fearfulsymmetry

fearfulsymmetry — Tue, 31 Mar 2009 03:18:41 -0800

That's three mentions of Stewart Lee. Surely I can derail my own thread for a moment -- I've never heard of him, is he any good? Yes... he's also not been on tv for a long long time. Check out 'Fist of Fun' and 'TMWRNJ' / 'This Morning With Richard Not Judy' on the 'tubes. It's crazy that they're putting it on so late and so often. With an earlier slot once a week I think it would've built a sizeable following. It's not the first time. They ran Seinfeld in the same slot a few years earlier to many many complaints of 'why don't they put it on earlier?' But they don't won't to frighten their normal blando middlebrow HouseBuyingDoingUp / Gardening / Cooking viewers...

By: Fuzzy Dunlop

Fuzzy Dunlop — Tue, 31 Mar 2009 04:10:39 -0800

Oh and, Jimmy McNulty criticises UK TV drama (not all that strongly) I think it's testament to the strength of the show that it's so weird to hear all these guys like Stringer and McNulty speak in their natural accents. The characters are so strong that it's hard to believe they're not real people. (Actually, the best in-joke ever on TV might the Wire scene with McNulty talking in a ridiculously fake British accent...)

By: fullerine

fullerine — Tue, 31 Mar 2009 04:34:43 -0800

Actually, the best in-joke ever on TV might the Wire scene with McNulty talking in a ridiculously fake British accent.. I think you mean The Devil's Whore. Speaking of corrupt policemen from Yorkshire, I heartily recommend the Red Riding Trilogy for people who liked The Wire.

By: hellogoodbye

hellogoodbye — Tue, 31 Mar 2009 05:03:05 -0800

shamelessly commenting just to put up my favorite little bit: Bunk: (types in 'Peanut' in database ) 89? And that's just the ones with Westside addresses. Vernon: Man, you got to narrow that shit down. Find some way to work with all them 'Peanuts.' Bunk: Motherf**ker, do I look like George Washington Carver?

By: dolca

dolca — Tue, 31 Mar 2009 06:24:46 -0800

goodnewsfortheinsane: He also co-wrote and directed Jerry Springer - The Opera, and got death threats for it - but mostly he's just known for being one of the best standup comedians around (The Wikipedia article is good). He has a unique style of delivery that uses endless repetition and loves to play with silences in the audience - it's hard to describe, but technique-wise he's an artist of a standup. Seeing him on the BBC is a shock, especially after recently catching an episode of Horne and Corden - it's heartening like seeing the Wire finally on terrestrial tv. I don't necessarily agree with everything he says, but the second episode of the Comedy Vehicle, where he savages television from within, was particularly awesome. Fearless comedy. Don't know how he's going to get a second series, the number of people he must be pissing off.

By: dolca

dolca — Tue, 31 Mar 2009 06:36:28 -0800

Or, in short, as a youtube comment put it: "closest thing to Bill Hicks on tv". Back to the Wire: Idris Elba was just astonishing in Season 3. 3 and 4 were the best for me - 3 had the pretty much perfect story arc (the opening and closing scenes - so beautiful...), and 4 had the most affecting characters - the kids, essentially, the heart of the Wire.

By: asok

asok — Tue, 31 Mar 2009 06:43:38 -0800

Well, it looks like I have missed the first episode and I don't have time to watch it before they broadcast the second episode, even if I had a copy of it, so I will never catch up with the BBC broadcast. Maybe I will have time to watch five episodes at the weekend, then I will be up to date with the television. It seems like a lot of time to spend watching the TV, just so I can be down with McNulty references. Oh, I know it is great television, so say us all! But I haven't even watched the last episodes of The Sopranos, so clearly there is doubt in my commitment to ~~sparkle motion~~ the television. I suppose I ought to watch it on the BBC, so that I can argue in favour of the License Fee, which I support.

By: Durn Bronzefist

Durn Bronzefist — Tue, 31 Mar 2009 07:18:21 -0800

jeez, it would be nice to at least talk to somebody else about it. Given my experiences in a place where it did air, don't be too confident that it will suddenly become water cooler material (unfortunately). Omar Little is like my favorite television character in the past decade. And Brother Mouzone may be my least. Didn't realize that HBO had gone downhill (if it has) but it's still on an entirely different plane than other tv. Also, testament to MeFi Wire love that a fpp about what's coming up on tv stands -- but I'll read any old thing about The Wire

By: joyceanmachine

joyceanmachine — Tue, 31 Mar 2009 07:39:46 -0800

Asok, the Sopranos is to the Wire as Salisbury steak is to the finest, best dry-aged steak from bullocks raised on beer and hay from the hands of beauteous supermodels. It's the same basic meat product, but one is so much better than the other. I firmly believe that Season 4 has a place in the so-called Western canon right up there with Huckleberry Finn and Madame Bovary.

By: goodnewsfortheinsane

goodnewsfortheinsane — Tue, 31 Mar 2009 07:41:46 -0800

Thanks for the background on Stewart Lee everyone, I'll check him out.

By: goodnewsfortheinsane

goodnewsfortheinsane — Tue, 31 Mar 2009 07:50:55 -0800

Also, testament to MeFi Wire love that a fpp about what's coming up on tv stands I know! I was kind of pushing it really, I know, but I tried to flesh it out a bit. I was just so happy, I had to post it, risk of derision or deletion be damned. But then Matt favorited it, and I knew all was well with the world. :)

By: Spatch

Spatch — Tue, 31 Mar 2009 07:51:18 -0800

Indeed.

By: Soliloquy

Soliloquy — Tue, 31 Mar 2009 09:24:15 -0800

I think Lance Reddick would make an excellent Vulcan. </apropos of nothing>

By: Tena

Tena — Tue, 31 Mar 2009 09:24:29 -0800

"and 4 had the most affecting characters - the kids, essentially, the heart of the Wire." It's hard to pick just one season, but I agree that 3 & 4 were the seasons that really hit the hardest. I felt like I knew those kids by the time it was over - like I had a stake in what happened to them. The ending was such genius- the whole cycle started all over again with the kids: Michael was the new Omar; his brother, Bug, was the new Michael, and so on and so on and so on. It took my breath and broke my heart. Nothing I've ever seen on TV came anywhere close to The Wire.

By: Tena

Tena — Tue, 31 Mar 2009 09:33:01 -0800

"Did anyone catch Stringer Bell on The No. 1 Ladies' Detective Agency last night?" Yes!

By: orville sash

orville sash — Tue, 31 Mar 2009 10:00:14 -0800

Omar Little is like my favorite television character in the past decade. And Brother Mouzone may be my least. What could you possiby have against Brother Mouzone? (I'm working my way through the series now - about halfway through season four) I've decided that I am only interested in watching a show once it goes off the air. I'm all about the instant gratification of not having to wait to see what happens. Cliffhangers make me crazy.

By: troybob

troybob — Tue, 31 Mar 2009 10:23:44 -0800

What could you possiby have against Brother Mouzone? I'm the same way on that. I thought his relation with Omar--someone he had any number of reasons to resent and despise--was one of the most honest and, strangely, ethical in the entire series.

By: dolca

dolca — Tue, 31 Mar 2009 13:38:43 -0800

What could you possiby have against Brother Mouzone? Because he belonged in a Quentin Tarantino movie and not the Wire?

By: AdamCSnider

AdamCSnider — Tue, 31 Mar 2009 16:01:58 -0800

I too thought Mouzone was a bit hard to believe. On the other hand, the way his character developed in the later seasons won me over. And I suspect, like so many other oddities of the series, that there may be a fragment of street legend behind him.

By: Durn Bronzefist

Durn Bronzefist — Wed, 01 Apr 2009 09:36:47 -0800

Nice news story tangentially touching on The Wire. Yeah, agreed, AdamCSnider, on both points.

By: Durn Bronzefist

Durn Bronzefist — Wed, 01 Apr 2009 09:37:35 -0800

Ah, ah, here would be that story. (editorial not straight up report)

By: goodnewsfortheinsane

goodnewsfortheinsane — Sat, 04 Apr 2009 17:23:33 -0800

I just watched the first two episodes of the Stewart Lee programme. Thanks again for the recommendation.

By: goodnewsfortheinsane

goodnewsfortheinsane — Sun, 05 Apr 2009 13:16:49 -0800

The Independent: "It is a contest whether the liberal press is more infatuated with Barack Obama or the television series, The Wire."

By: dougzilla

dougzilla — Tue, 21 Apr 2009 12:40:41 -0800

Here is a treat. Probably worthy of a FPP. David Simon is interviewed by Bill Moyers on his show, April 17, 2009