How do you say "wipe out" in French?
April 29, 2009 12:59 PM Subscribe
Thank you.
posted by limited slip at 1:05 PM on April 29, 2009
posted by limited slip at 1:05 PM on April 29, 2009
If this one stays while the one about the dog peeing for a long time didn't, there is something wrong.
Well, not necessarily with MeFi; it might just be that the dog should have crashed a few times while peeing.
posted by yhbc at 1:10 PM on April 29, 2009 [1 favorite]
Well, not necessarily with MeFi; it might just be that the dog should have crashed a few times while peeing.
posted by yhbc at 1:10 PM on April 29, 2009 [1 favorite]
If there's one thing I'm learning while this is playing (currently about 12 minutes into it), it's that if you're going to watch a rally car race, you get behind the big motherfucking tree to do it.
posted by spikeleemajortomdickandharryconnickjrmints at 1:12 PM on April 29, 2009 [3 favorites]
posted by spikeleemajortomdickandharryconnickjrmints at 1:12 PM on April 29, 2009 [3 favorites]
meh.
You clicked on a link titled "90 minutes of rally car crashes."
This link took you to a 90 minute video of rally car crashes.
8 minutes after the link was posted (at which point you're at most 9% of the way through the video) you're all "meh."
So you're, what, disappointed at watching 9% of 90 minutes of rally car crashes? If you find rally car crashes "meh," why did you even bother clicking, let alone commenting?
posted by dersins at 1:13 PM on April 29, 2009 [25 favorites]
You clicked on a link titled "90 minutes of rally car crashes."
This link took you to a 90 minute video of rally car crashes.
8 minutes after the link was posted (at which point you're at most 9% of the way through the video) you're all "meh."
So you're, what, disappointed at watching 9% of 90 minutes of rally car crashes? If you find rally car crashes "meh," why did you even bother clicking, let alone commenting?
posted by dersins at 1:13 PM on April 29, 2009 [25 favorites]
You know that the J.G. Ballard memorial thread is still open, right?
posted by slimepuppy at 1:15 PM on April 29, 2009 [4 favorites]
posted by slimepuppy at 1:15 PM on April 29, 2009 [4 favorites]
I am starting to think they put the wheels on the wrong side of those rally cars.
posted by Stonestock Relentless at 1:15 PM on April 29, 2009
posted by Stonestock Relentless at 1:15 PM on April 29, 2009
Why are there two people in the cars? Do you need a navigator?
posted by ShadowCrash at 1:16 PM on April 29, 2009
posted by ShadowCrash at 1:16 PM on April 29, 2009
All this needs is Yakety-Sax.
posted by chugg at 1:17 PM on April 29, 2009 [4 favorites]
posted by chugg at 1:17 PM on April 29, 2009 [4 favorites]
Why are there two people in the cars? Do you need a navigator?
Yes. Often times the drivers don't have the opportunity to review the course, so they're given a map. Even with the course marked off, it's nice to have someone beside you shouting "Hard right, 30 meters, slight left, 40 meters, hard right then hard left, 60 meters, bridge, 20 meters" at you so you know what the hell you're doing.
posted by spikeleemajortomdickandharryconnickjrmints at 1:19 PM on April 29, 2009
I can safely tell you all that it is a very strange experience to watch this video while listening to Low Light Mixes streaming over my airtunes.
posted by Severian at 1:19 PM on April 29, 2009
posted by Severian at 1:19 PM on April 29, 2009
Why are there two people in the cars? Do you need a navigator?
yes, the co-driver has an insanely detailed turn-by-turn map and a very accurate odometer, he is constantly telling the driver what is about to happen. the driver will be seeing the course for the first time during the race, there is no pre-running of a stage.
posted by Stonestock Relentless at 1:20 PM on April 29, 2009
Anéantir, if you're using "wipe out" as a transitive verb, but dérapage if a noun in the "crashed while surfing" sense.
posted by Shepherd at 1:22 PM on April 29, 2009 [3 favorites]
posted by Shepherd at 1:22 PM on April 29, 2009 [3 favorites]
The aspect of that film that I enjoyed the most was the one wherein rally cars were seen to be crashing.
posted by everichon at 1:26 PM on April 29, 2009 [9 favorites]
posted by everichon at 1:26 PM on April 29, 2009 [9 favorites]
Really, this video has filled almost all of rally car race crash needs - and I'm only about nine minutes into it. All I need now is low lights, some wine, a roaring fire and a mastiff sleeping at my feet and I have the perfect Saturday night.
posted by Joey Michaels at 1:28 PM on April 29, 2009 [1 favorite]
posted by Joey Michaels at 1:28 PM on April 29, 2009 [1 favorite]
Why are there two people in the cars? Do you need a navigator?
Yes. Often times the drivers don't have the opportunity to review the course, so they're given a map. Even with the course marked off, it's nice to have someone beside you shouting "Hard right, 30 meters, slight left, 40 meters, hard right then hard left, 60 meters, bridge, 20 meters" at you so you know what the hell you're doing.
This is one of the many things that I know solely from playing video games. I'm also pretty sure that at the end of the race, the co-driver sings "GAME OVER YEEEEEEEAH!"
posted by burnmp3s at 1:29 PM on April 29, 2009 [1 favorite]
Yes. Often times the drivers don't have the opportunity to review the course, so they're given a map. Even with the course marked off, it's nice to have someone beside you shouting "Hard right, 30 meters, slight left, 40 meters, hard right then hard left, 60 meters, bridge, 20 meters" at you so you know what the hell you're doing.
This is one of the many things that I know solely from playing video games. I'm also pretty sure that at the end of the race, the co-driver sings "GAME OVER YEEEEEEEAH!"
posted by burnmp3s at 1:29 PM on April 29, 2009 [1 favorite]
Clearly fake. Hardly any of these cars burst into fireballs upon crashing. Pffft.
posted by yoink at 1:29 PM on April 29, 2009
posted by yoink at 1:29 PM on April 29, 2009
I want a 1991 Lancia Delta Integrale for my next car. I would play Yakety-Sax 24/7 in this car.
posted by sfts2 at 1:31 PM on April 29, 2009
posted by sfts2 at 1:31 PM on April 29, 2009
So far, most of these are due to loss of control from locked up brakes.
Not quite. They're mostly from going way, way too fast. Most good rally drivers are good at cadence/modulation of braking, but when you know you're fucked, you know you're fucked...
Sometimes, especially in Rally cars, it's less of a problem to keep braking with one wheel locked than take the time to unlock it. Not that many of the accidents are ones which they could have made if they'd braked with all 4 wheels - they were just over-cooking their entry into the corner area.
Also, Rally cars often use the brake locking as a means of adjusting the attitude of the car, so that may not be helpful in all circumstances. I don't think that ABS will have made any difference at all to the number of crashes, just more likely the look of them (no locked brakes, just not stopping).
posted by Brockles at 1:33 PM on April 29, 2009 [2 favorites]
Not quite. They're mostly from going way, way too fast. Most good rally drivers are good at cadence/modulation of braking, but when you know you're fucked, you know you're fucked...
Sometimes, especially in Rally cars, it's less of a problem to keep braking with one wheel locked than take the time to unlock it. Not that many of the accidents are ones which they could have made if they'd braked with all 4 wheels - they were just over-cooking their entry into the corner area.
Also, Rally cars often use the brake locking as a means of adjusting the attitude of the car, so that may not be helpful in all circumstances. I don't think that ABS will have made any difference at all to the number of crashes, just more likely the look of them (no locked brakes, just not stopping).
posted by Brockles at 1:33 PM on April 29, 2009 [2 favorites]
I love the part at 1:28 where the dudes rush in to right the car that was on its side and several of them keep puffing on their smokes throughout, including when they leap out in front of the next oncoming car to tell it to slow down. Awesome.
posted by Divine_Wino at 1:37 PM on April 29, 2009
posted by Divine_Wino at 1:37 PM on April 29, 2009
They're mostly from going way, way too fast.
It was amazing, to me, how bad I was at estimating the speed of the car from the video. Often a car would be braking through the corner and, to me, it would look as though most of the speed had been washed off, but then the front end would hit some bank and ka-POW, the car's up in the air and spinning like a top.
posted by yoink at 1:37 PM on April 29, 2009
It was amazing, to me, how bad I was at estimating the speed of the car from the video. Often a car would be braking through the corner and, to me, it would look as though most of the speed had been washed off, but then the front end would hit some bank and ka-POW, the car's up in the air and spinning like a top.
posted by yoink at 1:37 PM on April 29, 2009
This is actually the third one in the series, if you note the sidebar and title.
WRC RALLY CRASH COMPILATION 3: THE CRASHENING
posted by spamguy at 1:40 PM on April 29, 2009
WRC RALLY CRASH COMPILATION 3: THE CRASHENING
posted by spamguy at 1:40 PM on April 29, 2009
I think the safest place to be at one of these rally races is behind the wheel. Sure, your car wipes out, smacks into a tree, flips over three times and sheds parts like a whore sheds clothes, but you've got a helmet, roll cage, five point restraint system and, well, a car around you. If you're watching the race you're lucky if you have a hay bale. I don't really want to watch a snuff video and I don't see how some of those spectators could survive. Appalling. I hope I can stop watching it soon.
posted by seanmpuckett at 1:46 PM on April 29, 2009 [2 favorites]
posted by seanmpuckett at 1:46 PM on April 29, 2009 [2 favorites]
Does anybody else have the crazy urge to shout "LEARN TO DRIVE!!" at the top of their lungs while watching this, or am I just twitching out today?
posted by Devils Rancher at 1:56 PM on April 29, 2009 [1 favorite]
posted by Devils Rancher at 1:56 PM on April 29, 2009 [1 favorite]
I enjoyed the part where the little car took a turn too fast and flipped over.
posted by ROU_Xenophobe at 1:57 PM on April 29, 2009 [1 favorite]
posted by ROU_Xenophobe at 1:57 PM on April 29, 2009 [1 favorite]
Actually, in rallies everywhere except the U.S. the driver has seen the stages before. A few days before the rally, driver and co-driver do the reconnaissance. That is, they drive two times over the stages, at legal speeds, and probably in a special 'recce' car or even a street car to note down every single detail of the road, with the driver dictating and the co-driver writing down everything in a sort of rally shorthand.
During the rally proper, the co-driver reads back the pace notes the driver dictated to him during the recce, allowing much higher speeds and certainty.
Nowadays drivers take all the glory in the media, but it is a team sport and everyone who takes part in it knows the co-driver is absolutely essential.
posted by Cobalt at 1:57 PM on April 29, 2009 [2 favorites]
During the rally proper, the co-driver reads back the pace notes the driver dictated to him during the recce, allowing much higher speeds and certainty.
Nowadays drivers take all the glory in the media, but it is a team sport and everyone who takes part in it knows the co-driver is absolutely essential.
posted by Cobalt at 1:57 PM on April 29, 2009 [2 favorites]
Some are comical, some are horrifying, some are like watching a giant, dumb bug fall on its back and helplessly wiggle its legs.
posted by slogger at 2:00 PM on April 29, 2009 [5 favorites]
posted by slogger at 2:00 PM on April 29, 2009 [5 favorites]
Effective way to annoy your girlfriend? Go "oooooh" or "daaamn" every time a car crashes in this video.
posted by gordie at 2:05 PM on April 29, 2009 [1 favorite]
posted by gordie at 2:05 PM on April 29, 2009 [1 favorite]
Are many of these fatalities to the drivers or crowd?
Still amazing that people sit where they do, so close the corners.
posted by jeffmik at 2:06 PM on April 29, 2009
Still amazing that people sit where they do, so close the corners.
posted by jeffmik at 2:06 PM on April 29, 2009
I watched this the other day, some of it is horrific: In one a camera is panning, following a car that is off the road and driving along a row of trees. The car runs into a tree, the camera keeps panning, the camera person swears, the goes back to find the car. It is dismaying. The car was moving quite fast.
The other good one was a car getting bounced from one tree into another. Boing boing!
My question is what are the open-wheeled cars doing?
posted by From Bklyn at 2:13 PM on April 29, 2009
The other good one was a car getting bounced from one tree into another. Boing boing!
My question is what are the open-wheeled cars doing?
posted by From Bklyn at 2:13 PM on April 29, 2009
"We've looked at hundreds of crash sequences. Cars with cars. Cars with trucks. Trucks with buses. Motorcycles with cars. Cars with helicopters. Trucks with trucks. My students think these movies are prophetic. They mark the suicide wish of technology. The drive to suicide, the hurtling rush to suicide." -- Murray
posted by mistersquid at 2:15 PM on April 29, 2009 [1 favorite]
posted by mistersquid at 2:15 PM on April 29, 2009 [1 favorite]
I'm surprised mr._crash_davis hasn't jumped all over this. Hell, his crazy ass might be in this video.
The video is interesting. But I can't imagine that I could watch the entire 90 mins. I'm not sure I could make it much beyond 5 mins. Still, interesting. Thanks.
posted by dios at 2:53 PM on April 29, 2009
The video is interesting. But I can't imagine that I could watch the entire 90 mins. I'm not sure I could make it much beyond 5 mins. Still, interesting. Thanks.
posted by dios at 2:53 PM on April 29, 2009
I wonder if it would help sales of small, efficient cars in the United States if there were a well-run, well-publicized race series using them.
Arguably hitting your points at least some of the way, is this:
http://www.vw.com/vwbuzz/browse/en/us/detail/Volkswagen_announces_2009_Jetta_TDI_Cup_driver_lineup/280
posted by Brockles at 3:11 PM on April 29, 2009
Arguably hitting your points at least some of the way, is this:
http://www.vw.com/vwbuzz/browse/en/us/detail/Volkswagen_announces_2009_Jetta_TDI_Cup_driver_lineup/280
posted by Brockles at 3:11 PM on April 29, 2009
Sod crashes... I want to see a compilation of incredible recoveries. The majority of these look like they're down to drivers hitting a section too quickly, either down to bad pace notes or bad driving. The ones where something minor goes wrong and rapidly escalates into a much bigger problem are much more interesting.
Also - do all rally fans have balls the size of grapefruits, or are they just pissed up idiots who couldn't spot danger if it was painted red and shouted ''Danger" through a megafone...?
posted by twine42 at 3:13 PM on April 29, 2009 [1 favorite]
Also - do all rally fans have balls the size of grapefruits, or are they just pissed up idiots who couldn't spot danger if it was painted red and shouted ''Danger" through a megafone...?
posted by twine42 at 3:13 PM on April 29, 2009 [1 favorite]
This is a great compilation, so fun to watch. The only thing I don't like is the shots of bystanders getting bowled over; it's a bit disturbing.
The other good one was a car getting bounced from one tree into another. Boing boing!
That's my favorite so far (9 minutes in).
posted by knave at 3:14 PM on April 29, 2009
The other good one was a car getting bounced from one tree into another. Boing boing!
That's my favorite so far (9 minutes in).
posted by knave at 3:14 PM on April 29, 2009
This also needs a wilheim scream in it somewhere, kind of like a audio Where's Wally/Waldo
posted by twine42 at 3:21 PM on April 29, 2009
posted by twine42 at 3:21 PM on April 29, 2009
Nowadays drivers take all the glory in the media, but it is a team sport and everyone who takes part in it knows the co-driver is absolutely essential .
That's absolutely amazing...
posted by Pantengliopoli at 3:37 PM on April 29, 2009
That's absolutely amazing...
posted by Pantengliopoli at 3:37 PM on April 29, 2009
What a perfect metaphor for my day.
posted by Ella Fynoe at 3:49 PM on April 29, 2009 [1 favorite]
posted by Ella Fynoe at 3:49 PM on April 29, 2009 [1 favorite]
Sod crashes... I want to see a compilation of incredible recoveries.
You mean like this?
Which you've probably seen, but still. That's only supposed to happen in video games!
posted by flaterik at 3:54 PM on April 29, 2009
You mean like this?
Which you've probably seen, but still. That's only supposed to happen in video games!
posted by flaterik at 3:54 PM on April 29, 2009
I was just about to watch Live Free or Die Hard on DVD. Upon consideration, my 90 minutes will be much better spent with this. Days of Blunder.
posted by MimeticHaHa at 4:28 PM on April 29, 2009
posted by MimeticHaHa at 4:28 PM on April 29, 2009
There is something almost meditative here. The engine revving, the brakes screeching, the people cheering. The crash. And then the silence...
Repeat for ninety minutes.
posted by ga$money at 4:43 PM on April 29, 2009
Repeat for ninety minutes.
posted by ga$money at 4:43 PM on April 29, 2009
Most of these seem like slight misjudgements in speed or timing which quickly got out of control. But the guy at 4:52 on the ice? What did you think was going to happen?!?
posted by Who_Am_I at 4:49 PM on April 29, 2009
posted by Who_Am_I at 4:49 PM on April 29, 2009
There was a helluva rally crash the other day where the car went over a near-vertical embankment and rolled a dozen or so times. Amazingly, the driver and co-pilot survived, a testament to the roll cage.
There's also a good video out there of an in-car view of a rally car smoking a deer. All the action takes place in the blink of an eye.
But the most astounding videos are always those of amazingly stupid spectators getting in the way. WTF, people?
posted by five fresh fish at 5:35 PM on April 29, 2009
There's also a good video out there of an in-car view of a rally car smoking a deer. All the action takes place in the blink of an eye.
But the most astounding videos are always those of amazingly stupid spectators getting in the way. WTF, people?
posted by five fresh fish at 5:35 PM on April 29, 2009
My pal in Northern Ireland tells stories about how they would prank the rally drivers by pouring oil on the road at a curve and opening the gates to the field so that the cars would shoot right into the pastures. They would then help push them back into the race...
posted by Ron Thanagar at 6:02 PM on April 29, 2009
posted by Ron Thanagar at 6:02 PM on April 29, 2009
But the guy at 4:52 on the ice? What did you think was going to happen?!?
Welll, those cars running on ice usually have studded tires, so I would imagine he thought he was going to make the turn, right up until he realized he wouldn't.
posted by davejay at 6:15 PM on April 29, 2009
Welll, those cars running on ice usually have studded tires, so I would imagine he thought he was going to make the turn, right up until he realized he wouldn't.
posted by davejay at 6:15 PM on April 29, 2009
So far, most of these are due to loss of control from locked up brakes. Has ABS helped reduce rally car wrecks?
Funny thing; the fastest way to stop a car is with locked-up wheels. But, when you lock up the wheels, you lose the ability to steer. So when you see these guys lock up all four wheels, the accident's already going to happen -- that's just their hail-mary to scrub off as much speed as possible before impact. In that scenario, ABS wouldn't help at all.
posted by davejay at 6:22 PM on April 29, 2009
Funny thing; the fastest way to stop a car is with locked-up wheels. But, when you lock up the wheels, you lose the ability to steer. So when you see these guys lock up all four wheels, the accident's already going to happen -- that's just their hail-mary to scrub off as much speed as possible before impact. In that scenario, ABS wouldn't help at all.
posted by davejay at 6:22 PM on April 29, 2009
Funny thing; the fastest way to stop a car is with locked-up wheels.
That is not in any way true.
posted by Brockles at 6:35 PM on April 29, 2009
That is not in any way true.
posted by Brockles at 6:35 PM on April 29, 2009
davejay, you could not possibly be more wrong. WTF, man?
posted by five fresh fish at 6:38 PM on April 29, 2009
posted by five fresh fish at 6:38 PM on April 29, 2009
But the most astounding videos are always those of amazingly stupid spectators getting in the way. WTF, people?
Yeah, how stupid of those spectators to not move out of the way at an equal or greater speed than that of the vehicle hurtling toward them? MORANS!
posted by gorgor_balabala at 6:56 PM on April 29, 2009
Yeah, how stupid of those spectators to not move out of the way at an equal or greater speed than that of the vehicle hurtling toward them? MORANS!
posted by gorgor_balabala at 6:56 PM on April 29, 2009
I was impressed by the amount of kinetic energy stored up in the vehicles.
Also, note to self, standing on the inside of the corner is not in any way 'safe'.
Should have a warning that some of the crashes probably involve serious or fatal injuries to spectators.
posted by unSane at 7:00 PM on April 29, 2009
Also, note to self, standing on the inside of the corner is not in any way 'safe'.
Should have a warning that some of the crashes probably involve serious or fatal injuries to spectators.
posted by unSane at 7:00 PM on April 29, 2009
So if I watch all of this, how many people will I have seen die? When people link to videos like this I try to avoid them because of all those stupid spectators who stand inches from the track.
posted by OwlBoy at 7:02 PM on April 29, 2009
posted by OwlBoy at 7:02 PM on April 29, 2009
Yeah, how stupid of those spectators to not move out of the way at an equal or greater speed than that of the vehicle hurtling toward them? MORANS!
It really doesn't take much in the way of brains to work out where the safe places to stand are. Sadly for some of the nutcases that watch rallying, this is not in any way consistent with the 'most exciting place to stand'. This video shows regional french rallying (not WRC, as it is suggested) and the marshalling (crowd control) is in many cases woeful. It's not all that hard to work out where a car is going to go if all goes wrong, but the reason these videos were taken in such number (and the reason that you see so many in the crowd with decent sized cameras) is because they are often composed of thrill seekers and shot-hunters looking for the most exciting close-ups in known, established, accident spots. This is very rarely conducive with enhanced personal safety.
posted by Brockles at 7:09 PM on April 29, 2009 [1 favorite]
It really doesn't take much in the way of brains to work out where the safe places to stand are. Sadly for some of the nutcases that watch rallying, this is not in any way consistent with the 'most exciting place to stand'. This video shows regional french rallying (not WRC, as it is suggested) and the marshalling (crowd control) is in many cases woeful. It's not all that hard to work out where a car is going to go if all goes wrong, but the reason these videos were taken in such number (and the reason that you see so many in the crowd with decent sized cameras) is because they are often composed of thrill seekers and shot-hunters looking for the most exciting close-ups in known, established, accident spots. This is very rarely conducive with enhanced personal safety.
posted by Brockles at 7:09 PM on April 29, 2009 [1 favorite]
the fastest way to stop a car is with locked-up wheels
To put a finer point on the fact that you're completely wrong, static friction coefficients (as in a rolling tire) are almost always higher than dynamic friction coefficients (as in a skidding tire). Source: sophomore engineering class.
Question for those of you familiar with rally racing: is ABS banned in some races? Limits on partial ABS or other hacks?
GREAT post, thank you schyler523.
posted by intermod at 7:45 PM on April 29, 2009
To put a finer point on the fact that you're completely wrong, static friction coefficients (as in a rolling tire) are almost always higher than dynamic friction coefficients (as in a skidding tire). Source: sophomore engineering class.
Question for those of you familiar with rally racing: is ABS banned in some races? Limits on partial ABS or other hacks?
GREAT post, thank you schyler523.
posted by intermod at 7:45 PM on April 29, 2009
Some of the early ones are clearly from the codriver blowing the call. If it's happening a lot in one place that means the guy creating the route book screwed up. Yes, this has happened to me. Car goes wham. Driver is pissed. "Dude, don't blame me, it wasn't in the book."
Also, the comment about insanely accurate odometer had to have been made by someone who's only dealt with AWD cars. :) Try it in a RWD on a dirt stage. Especially a long dirt stage. It doesn't take too long before you're guessing based on differentials rather than total mileage (you did do the calculations the night before, right?) When you come up on a differential that's 1.2 miles, ahead of a drop off, and over the intercom you hear your driver say "hey, I figured out how to get it past the rev limiter," you start judging distances a bit conservatively.
Also, never codrive with a closed face helmet. You'll quickly regret it.
Fun year, but I'd never want to do it again.
posted by krisak at 7:47 PM on April 29, 2009 [3 favorites]
Also, the comment about insanely accurate odometer had to have been made by someone who's only dealt with AWD cars. :) Try it in a RWD on a dirt stage. Especially a long dirt stage. It doesn't take too long before you're guessing based on differentials rather than total mileage (you did do the calculations the night before, right?) When you come up on a differential that's 1.2 miles, ahead of a drop off, and over the intercom you hear your driver say "hey, I figured out how to get it past the rev limiter," you start judging distances a bit conservatively.
Also, never codrive with a closed face helmet. You'll quickly regret it.
Fun year, but I'd never want to do it again.
posted by krisak at 7:47 PM on April 29, 2009 [3 favorites]
Also, the comment about insanely accurate odometer had to have been made by someone who's only dealt with AWD cars.
Who on earth has their pace note odometer attached to the predominately driving wheels of the car? Only a person with an AWD car would have that problem as any FWD or RWD car should have the trigger for the co-drivers odomoter on the non-driven wheels if they have any sense.
Unless you are referring to someone who tries to use the standard equipment of the base car to do pace notes by, in which case you fully deserve whichever miscounted ditch you end up in...
Also, never codrive with a closed face helmet. You'll quickly regret it.
Hmmm. I've always considered anyone who gets in a competition car with an open face helmet to be someone fervently wishing for a broken nose and/or jaw - nothing wrong with intercom systems in a closed face helmet, and it stop bits of car hitting you in the face when you roll over.
posted by Brockles at 7:57 PM on April 29, 2009
Who on earth has their pace note odometer attached to the predominately driving wheels of the car? Only a person with an AWD car would have that problem as any FWD or RWD car should have the trigger for the co-drivers odomoter on the non-driven wheels if they have any sense.
Unless you are referring to someone who tries to use the standard equipment of the base car to do pace notes by, in which case you fully deserve whichever miscounted ditch you end up in...
Also, never codrive with a closed face helmet. You'll quickly regret it.
Hmmm. I've always considered anyone who gets in a competition car with an open face helmet to be someone fervently wishing for a broken nose and/or jaw - nothing wrong with intercom systems in a closed face helmet, and it stop bits of car hitting you in the face when you roll over.
posted by Brockles at 7:57 PM on April 29, 2009
Car goes wham. Driver is pissed. "Dude, don't blame me, it wasn't in the book."
There's one in there, 20 or 30 minutes in, where a car crashes, does a complete roll, lands back on its wheels with a bounce, and there's a clear camera shot of the co-driver-navigator dude still intently focused on his paperwork as though nothing had happened.
Overall, the take-away lesson from the whole video is obviously, when attending one of these rallies in person, stand on the INSIDE of the curve.
posted by Devils Rancher at 8:02 PM on April 29, 2009
There's one in there, 20 or 30 minutes in, where a car crashes, does a complete roll, lands back on its wheels with a bounce, and there's a clear camera shot of the co-driver-navigator dude still intently focused on his paperwork as though nothing had happened.
Overall, the take-away lesson from the whole video is obviously, when attending one of these rallies in person, stand on the INSIDE of the curve.
posted by Devils Rancher at 8:02 PM on April 29, 2009
Nope, Burhanistan, you get carsick quickly. Look at book, look at road, look at book, look at road, all while in that kind of driving. Many codrivers barf their first few races. And note that even if you do barf if your helmet, the driver won't stop, and you're absolutely not allowed to take the helmet off until after the stage.
posted by krisak at 8:05 PM on April 29, 2009 [2 favorites]
posted by krisak at 8:05 PM on April 29, 2009 [2 favorites]
Devil's Rancher - I've done that before (although not nearly as impressively as that guy.)
Slammed into a sidebank - never looked up from the book, just said "OW! @($@!! Hard left in .3!" Those seats hurt when you slam into the side...
Another time we pushed too far into a corner, popped up on two wheels after landing, and proceeded to almost drop off a mountainside (Mojaves). There are times when you concentrate on the book so you won't think about where you are and what your driver almost did.
posted by krisak at 8:09 PM on April 29, 2009
Slammed into a sidebank - never looked up from the book, just said "OW! @($@!! Hard left in .3!" Those seats hurt when you slam into the side...
Another time we pushed too far into a corner, popped up on two wheels after landing, and proceeded to almost drop off a mountainside (Mojaves). There are times when you concentrate on the book so you won't think about where you are and what your driver almost did.
posted by krisak at 8:09 PM on April 29, 2009
There's one in there, 20 or 30 minutes in, where a car crashes, does a complete roll, lands back on its wheels with a bounce, and there's a clear camera shot of the co-driver-navigator dude still intently focused on his paperwork as though nothing had happened.
Yeah, I saw a couple of those in there. I always assumed it was more indicative of the fact that they know they have a nutball behind the wheel who will only refrain from driving away from any sized accident if the wheels don't phycisally work - I assumed they were making sure they knew where the next really BIG drop off is by way of precaution.
That video linked to above of Colin McRae is an excellent example, as he doesn't even hesitate to nail the throttle as soon as he establishes he is upright, and only slows down when the front wheel actually falls off...
Rally drivers (at least the ones making a living at it) are a fair distance from carrying a full picnic.
posted by Brockles at 8:12 PM on April 29, 2009 [3 favorites]
Yeah, I saw a couple of those in there. I always assumed it was more indicative of the fact that they know they have a nutball behind the wheel who will only refrain from driving away from any sized accident if the wheels don't phycisally work - I assumed they were making sure they knew where the next really BIG drop off is by way of precaution.
That video linked to above of Colin McRae is an excellent example, as he doesn't even hesitate to nail the throttle as soon as he establishes he is upright, and only slows down when the front wheel actually falls off...
Rally drivers (at least the ones making a living at it) are a fair distance from carrying a full picnic.
posted by Brockles at 8:12 PM on April 29, 2009 [3 favorites]
Yup, you nailed in Brockles. Even the weekenders in the SCCA generally aren't firing on all cylinders. But darn fun if you can handle it.
Half a mile from the finish of the stage the rear end blows out. Driver says we gotta get out and push. "Wait, WHAT?" He repeats himself. It's 105 (Mojave again). We're wearing full fireproof suits and helmets. None of which we can remove. We finished the stage - sometimes you just don't argue with someone that has that particular look in their eye.
posted by krisak at 8:17 PM on April 29, 2009
Half a mile from the finish of the stage the rear end blows out. Driver says we gotta get out and push. "Wait, WHAT?" He repeats himself. It's 105 (Mojave again). We're wearing full fireproof suits and helmets. None of which we can remove. We finished the stage - sometimes you just don't argue with someone that has that particular look in their eye.
posted by krisak at 8:17 PM on April 29, 2009
I suppose it's illegal to put a "brahma bumper" around the wheels. A lot of those cars would still have been in the race if their wheels hadn't been knocked askew.
I think I'd make a great rally car driver. Right up until the moment I wasn't.
posted by five fresh fish at 8:32 PM on April 29, 2009
I think I'd make a great rally car driver. Right up until the moment I wasn't.
posted by five fresh fish at 8:32 PM on April 29, 2009
five fresh fish - extra metal adds extra weight. Even if you got past the tech inspection, you wouldn't want to do it. Crashes are fairly rare, and if you add 1% the car's weight, you're 1% slower (that's driver math, it doesn't have to make sense). Of course, then you get the guy doing rally racing in a '78 Chevy Blazer... Or the Ford Mustang.
What you don't want is a driver that brings a cooler of food because "we might be out there for a while." That's a bad sign.
posted by krisak at 8:38 PM on April 29, 2009
What you don't want is a driver that brings a cooler of food because "we might be out there for a while." That's a bad sign.
posted by krisak at 8:38 PM on April 29, 2009
The open wheel cars (as well as some of the other cars) were most likely running a hillclimb event.
I want to be a rally driver...
posted by inparticularity at 8:41 PM on April 29, 2009
I want to be a rally driver...
posted by inparticularity at 8:41 PM on April 29, 2009
Wow, am I only 7 minutes in? This is the best video in the history of videos. I think I just found my new bedtime lullabye. Do you have any idea how long it's been since I've fallen asleep doing anything but reading pulp science fiction?
Shush, you comedian. Yeah, I mean even after sex. No book = no sleep.
posted by loquacious at 8:53 PM on April 29, 2009
Shush, you comedian. Yeah, I mean even after sex. No book = no sleep.
posted by loquacious at 8:53 PM on April 29, 2009
Also - do all rally fans have balls the size of grapefruits, or are they just pissed up idiots who couldn't spot danger if it was painted red and shouted ''Danger" through a megafone...?
One of my earliest childhood memories is watching an Audi Quattro come airborne over a rise, land what seemed like a few feet away on the bare front rims and slide sideways around a corner shooting sparks about as high as my head. Then accelerate away. "That car has no tires!" I said. "Ah you don't really need tires" my dad replied. I'm pretty sure he was sober but perhaps not the best at spotting danger.
It's been years since I've been around rallying much but the general consensus at the time was against things like ABS or traction control because they reduced the feel you had for the road and led to many of the kinds of crashes on this tape: everything feels fine! and then it isn't! We were strictly involved in street-legal divisions though with ammie drivers, the pro cars are hand built and are a completely different ball game so I have no idea what kind of electronics they run. I very much doubt it's remotely similar to the ABS in my car though, because it's almost impossible to slide my newish car in a predictable fashion.
posted by fshgrl at 8:56 PM on April 29, 2009 [2 favorites]
One of my earliest childhood memories is watching an Audi Quattro come airborne over a rise, land what seemed like a few feet away on the bare front rims and slide sideways around a corner shooting sparks about as high as my head. Then accelerate away. "That car has no tires!" I said. "Ah you don't really need tires" my dad replied. I'm pretty sure he was sober but perhaps not the best at spotting danger.
It's been years since I've been around rallying much but the general consensus at the time was against things like ABS or traction control because they reduced the feel you had for the road and led to many of the kinds of crashes on this tape: everything feels fine! and then it isn't! We were strictly involved in street-legal divisions though with ammie drivers, the pro cars are hand built and are a completely different ball game so I have no idea what kind of electronics they run. I very much doubt it's remotely similar to the ABS in my car though, because it's almost impossible to slide my newish car in a predictable fashion.
posted by fshgrl at 8:56 PM on April 29, 2009 [2 favorites]
I've watched over an hour of assorted rally videos this evening and I have come to a singular conclusion:
Rally drivers and their navigators are batshitinsane.
posted by five fresh fish at 10:45 PM on April 29, 2009
Rally drivers and their navigators are batshitinsane.
posted by five fresh fish at 10:45 PM on April 29, 2009
So how much will it cost to convert my 96 Nissan Sentra into a rally car?
posted by mecran01 at 11:42 PM on April 29, 2009
posted by mecran01 at 11:42 PM on April 29, 2009
I dunno. What's the price of a different car?
posted by dersins at 12:05 AM on April 30, 2009 [1 favorite]
posted by dersins at 12:05 AM on April 30, 2009 [1 favorite]
Very cool video, I've watched hours of this stuff on youtube. One thing that I've always wondered: does the race organization reimburse the state/private owners/whoever for the damage done to the scenery (I'm talking built structures here, or crops), does the individual driver (you lose it, you pay for what you hit) or are the people along the route just very generous? I've seen clips where barns are knocked down, etc. Just curious.
posted by maxwelton at 2:01 AM on April 30, 2009
posted by maxwelton at 2:01 AM on April 30, 2009
I've seen clips where barns are knocked down...
clips or it didn't happen
posted by From Bklyn at 5:09 AM on April 30, 2009
clips or it didn't happen
posted by From Bklyn at 5:09 AM on April 30, 2009
Wikipedia:
In 1967 Timo Mäkinen became a true rally legend when pictures emerged of the Finn driving his Mini at a furious speed through Ouninpohja with the car's bonnet open. Leather straps holding the bonnet were not thoroughly tightened, and they opened after a few rough bounces. He tried to put his head out of the side window but his his helmet was too big and he could only stick his head halfway out. So he had to skid the car sideways continuously to see the road ahead. Even so Mäkinen was third fastest on that special stage and he also won the rally overall.
Photo.
posted by Free word order! at 5:43 AM on April 30, 2009 [4 favorites]
In 1967 Timo Mäkinen became a true rally legend when pictures emerged of the Finn driving his Mini at a furious speed through Ouninpohja with the car's bonnet open. Leather straps holding the bonnet were not thoroughly tightened, and they opened after a few rough bounces. He tried to put his head out of the side window but his his helmet was too big and he could only stick his head halfway out. So he had to skid the car sideways continuously to see the road ahead. Even so Mäkinen was third fastest on that special stage and he also won the rally overall.
Photo.
posted by Free word order! at 5:43 AM on April 30, 2009 [4 favorites]
maxwelton - as far as I know, in the U.S. no one gets reimbursed. Most of it happens on BLM or state land. No idea about Europe - they tend to race a little closer to civilization there.
There were places where we were told in no uncertain terms that no car would go off course in that area. In very certain language. No one ever felt the need to find out what the unstated repercussions were. We just assumed the worst and avoided anything stupid right there.
posted by krisak at 1:05 PM on April 30, 2009
There were places where we were told in no uncertain terms that no car would go off course in that area. In very certain language. No one ever felt the need to find out what the unstated repercussions were. We just assumed the worst and avoided anything stupid right there.
posted by krisak at 1:05 PM on April 30, 2009
For anyone still reading, here's yet another hour of rally crashes. The good stuff starts at about 4:18.
(Bonus points for cheesy early 1990s CGI.)
posted by armage at 7:03 PM on April 30, 2009
(Bonus points for cheesy early 1990s CGI.)
posted by armage at 7:03 PM on April 30, 2009
"But the most astounding videos are always those of amazingly stupid spectators getting in the way. WTF, people?"
Kinda puts that thread on the recent crash at Talledega in perspective eh?
posted by Mitheral at 7:53 PM on April 30, 2009
Kinda puts that thread on the recent crash at Talledega in perspective eh?
posted by Mitheral at 7:53 PM on April 30, 2009
"If you find rally car crashes "meh," why did you even bother clicking, let alone commenting?"
Well, maybe, just maybe, I don't prejudge whether I will like something. Maybe, I saw the link and thought "hey that might be interesting." Maybe I thought "I'll see what this is about. Perhaps it'll be really funny."
And maybe, after watching it for a bit I thought "You know what? It turns out that I don't find crashes to be all that interesting. It's kind of repetitive, and a bit dull." Having thought that, maybe I thought "Yeah, I really don't need to watch all ninety minutes of this. I think I've had enough."
And then maybe, I posted my comment because posting comments is a pretty common event here on Metafilter. Maybe, I thought, you know some people might like to know that not everyone thought this video was the greatest thing ever. Maybe, I just felt the need to offer a small, succinct opinion.
Apparently all of this offends your sensibilities.
Meh.
posted by oddman at 8:36 PM on April 30, 2009
Well, maybe, just maybe, I don't prejudge whether I will like something. Maybe, I saw the link and thought "hey that might be interesting." Maybe I thought "I'll see what this is about. Perhaps it'll be really funny."
And maybe, after watching it for a bit I thought "You know what? It turns out that I don't find crashes to be all that interesting. It's kind of repetitive, and a bit dull." Having thought that, maybe I thought "Yeah, I really don't need to watch all ninety minutes of this. I think I've had enough."
And then maybe, I posted my comment because posting comments is a pretty common event here on Metafilter. Maybe, I thought, you know some people might like to know that not everyone thought this video was the greatest thing ever. Maybe, I just felt the need to offer a small, succinct opinion.
Apparently all of this offends your sensibilities.
Meh.
posted by oddman at 8:36 PM on April 30, 2009
I've been watching this in 30 min increments. Camera car shots start at about 1:15:00!
posted by mistersquid at 8:52 PM on April 30, 2009
posted by mistersquid at 8:52 PM on April 30, 2009
Maybe you over-estimate the value of your negative opinion?
Which is fair enough; we all do it from time to time. and then we rightly take shit for it. keeps the ego healthy.
posted by five fresh fish at 12:30 AM on May 1, 2009
Which is fair enough; we all do it from time to time. and then we rightly take shit for it. keeps the ego healthy.
posted by five fresh fish at 12:30 AM on May 1, 2009
I haven't estimated the value of my opinions (How would one do that anyway? Do you use Euros?). So, I don't think I underestimated anything.
posted by oddman at 12:23 PM on May 1, 2009
posted by oddman at 12:23 PM on May 1, 2009
Perhaps then you overestimated the ability of a single syllable to convey the process and result of a lengthy internal monologue.
posted by dersins at 12:39 PM on May 1, 2009
posted by dersins at 12:39 PM on May 1, 2009
Dude, you just typed aboutb 100 words to describe it. That's a hell of a lot lengthier than "meh."
I'm just sayin'.
posted by dersins at 3:08 PM on May 1, 2009
I'm just sayin'.
posted by dersins at 3:08 PM on May 1, 2009
OK, I don't know about you, but the process that I described would take way way way less time than the few minutes I spent watching the clip.
And "meh" sums it up to my satisfaction.
(You really think 100 words is lenghty? Really?)
posted by oddman at 6:33 PM on May 1, 2009
And "meh" sums it up to my satisfaction.
(You really think 100 words is lenghty? Really?)
posted by oddman at 6:33 PM on May 1, 2009
Lengthier than "meh,: which was my point.
Why am I having this conversation? This is retarded
*removes thread from recent activity*
posted by dersins at 10:14 PM on May 1, 2009
Why am I having this conversation? This is retarded
*removes thread from recent activity*
posted by dersins at 10:14 PM on May 1, 2009
This conversation is the result of rally car crashes. Pots and kettles.
posted by five fresh fish at 11:46 PM on May 1, 2009
posted by five fresh fish at 11:46 PM on May 1, 2009
We need to come up with a name for when a conversation takes on the characteristics of the content of that conversation. As in this conversation has crashed and rolled, just like the rally cars.
How about "metamemed" (pronounced meta-meemed)? E.g "this conversation about trash has metamemed" to indicate that the conversation has become rotten and smelly.
posted by oddman at 10:51 AM on May 2, 2009
How about "metamemed" (pronounced meta-meemed)? E.g "this conversation about trash has metamemed" to indicate that the conversation has become rotten and smelly.
posted by oddman at 10:51 AM on May 2, 2009
Except those crashes were due to driver error usually, not some asshole running into the road yelling, "This sucks!" That's where your analogy falls flat.
posted by schyler523 at 2:14 PM on May 2, 2009
posted by schyler523 at 2:14 PM on May 2, 2009
Why thanks for that schyler52! I'm so glad that you had a chance to express your thoughts. How marvelous that we have this open forum for just that purpose. You are your own special little snowflake and we cherish every little pearl of wisdom that falls from your lips.
posted by oddman at 5:26 PM on May 2, 2009
posted by oddman at 5:26 PM on May 2, 2009
Pissin' in the cornflakes?
posted by five fresh fish at 9:01 PM on May 2, 2009
posted by five fresh fish at 9:01 PM on May 2, 2009
Who.
posted by five fresh fish at 8:24 AM on May 3, 2009
posted by five fresh fish at 8:24 AM on May 3, 2009
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posted by five fresh fish at 11:46 AM on May 3, 2009
posted by five fresh fish at 11:46 AM on May 3, 2009
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