SubscribeDo you think I came to bring peace on earth? No, I tell you, but division. From now on there will be five in one family divided against each other, three against two and two against three. They will be divided, father against son and son against father, mother against daughter and daughter against mother, mother-in-law against daughter-in-law and daughter-in-law against mother-in-law.Luke 14:26:
If anyone comes to me and does not hate his father and mother, his wife and children, his brothers and sisters—yes, even his own life—he cannot be my disciple.
"Why does it matter? Because holier-than-thou religious fundamentalist Bible-thumpers don't get to flash their breasts for profit and shrug it off as just another youthful indiscretion. You don't get to lecture me about my morality when your morality is the equivalent of a Playboy centerfold."*
"Alicia Jacobs, Entertainment Reporter at KVBC in Las Vegas, has seen all six of the photos and says some are much more revealing. Alicia believes the flicks may have been taken after Carrie’s pageant-financed breast augmentation about six weeks ago. Hmmm…These explosive pictures could be devastating for Miss California, whose anti-gay marriage campaign recently resulted in a partnership with the National Organization for Marriage and helped to make made her increasingly popular with right-wing conservatives. Can you guys believe the nerve of this bozo? Using the Lord Jesus Christ as an excuse to support inequality when she’s just as big a sinner as anyone?" *
"In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array" -- 1st Timothy 1Hypocrisy's a bitch, a'int it?
"Unfortunately for Miss Prejean, mixing various fabrics together is forbidden in the book of Leviticus which means her entire pageant gown is biblically incorrect. Sorry, but Jesus says I have to stone you. Now, smile!" *
"The religious right has two main talking points when it comes to gay marriage.
1. Gay marriage threatens heterosexual marriage.
2. The majority of the country is on their side.
Not any more. Not only do recent polls show that more Americans support than oppose gay marriage, but a whopping 58% say that gay marriage does not threaten heterosexual marriage. For the first time ever in the discussion of this issue, the religious right is representing the minority view. That's rather huge."
Perez Hilton: Vermont recently became the 4th state to legalize same-sex marriage. Do you think every state should follow suit - why or why not?I'm all for legalizing gay marriage, but is there anything especially unusual or outrageous about this answer?
Miss California: Well, I think it's great that Americans are able to choose one or the other. We live in a land that you can choose same-sex marriage or opposite marriage, and you know what, in my country and in my family, I think that I believe that a marriage should be between a man and a woman. No offense to anybody out there, but that's how I was raised and that's how I think it should be between a man and a woman.
"I'm a Christian. And so, although I try not to have my religious beliefs dominate or determine my political views on this issue, I do believe that tradition, and my religious beliefs say that marriage is something sanctified between a man and a woman."
I would never hurt her.I think you're wrong.
I would go to end of the earth for her.I think you're wrong.
The three speakers who impressed me the most while I was there were three older men. One of whom entered a mixed race marriage in the 1960's and then could not travel out of the state with his wife, because his marriage was not legal in so many other states. The second was the man who described himself as a bear defending his cubs, one of whom is gay. Rural, Catholic, veteran that he was, he apparently loves BOTH his daughters enough to want them to be married on his front lawn if they so choose. And the last was the 86-year-old WWII vet who took a moment to describe his battles. He was there because a woman asked him last June at the polls if he believed in equal rights for gays and lesbians and his response was , "What do you think I stormed Okinawa for?!" He and his wife raised their 4 sons to be good Americans. All 4 served in the armed forces. Apparently nothing in his experience convinced him that the one of his sons who is gay was not worth loving. I spoke to him outside the building and he said that he had never done anything political before but this was important. He also said two of his sons are dead now. I assured him that they would be very proud of him for what he had done today. Being an old-time Mainer, what he did today took almost as much courage as storming a French beach. And, I defy anyone to make a COGENT argument that these three men are wrong in any way.*Scroll down - couldn't figure out how to link directly to a comment
Barack Obama on gay marriage:
"I'm a Christian. And so, although I try not to have my religious beliefs dominate or determine my political views on this issue, I do believe that tradition, and my religious beliefs say that marriage is something sanctified between a man and a woman."
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"More significant is evidence in polls of a widening divide on the issue by age, suggesting to many Republicans that the potency of the gay-marriage question is on the decline. It simply does not appear to have the resonance with younger voters that it does with older ones.
Consider this: In the latest New York Times/CBS News poll, released on Monday, 31 percent of respondents over the age of 40 said they supported gay marriage. By contrast, 57 percent under age 40 said they supported it, a 26-point difference. Among the older respondents, 35 percent said they opposed any legal recognition of same-sex couples, be it marriage or civil unions. Among the younger crowd, just 19 percent held that view."
"The directors of the Miss California USA pageant are looking into whether title holder Carrie Prejean violated her contract by working with a national group opposed to gay marriage and by posing semi-nude when she was a teenage model....
The detailed document prohibits the titular [Hey!] Miss California from making personal appearances, giving interviews or making commercials without permission from pageant officials. In the last 10 days, Prejean has made televised appearances at her San Diego church and on behalf of the National Organization for Marriage, a group opposed to same-sex marriage.
The contract also contains a clause asking participants to say whether they have conducted themselves 'in accordance with the highest ethical and moral standards.' As an example, it asks if they have ever been photographed nude or partially nude."
"I have come to believe that this is a question of fairness and of equal protection under the law, and that a civil union is not equal to civil marriage. This new law does not force any religion to recognize a marriage that falls outside of its beliefs. It does not require the church to perform any ceremony with which it disagrees. Instead, it reaffirms the separation of church and state. It guarantees that Maine citizens will be treated equally under Maine’s civil marriage laws, and that is the responsibility of government."Well said!
It is no secret that resistance to homosexuality is highest among the black population (though probably other ethnic minorities are close contenders). I fear that it will be harder than usual to persuade black men of the obligation to marry the mother of their children if the inevitable media saturation coverage associates marriage with homosexuals.
"More than 200 [high school] students gathered at the northeast corner of Lincoln High School's campus [in Des Moines] Tuesday [May 5, 2009] afternoon to counter a protest by about a half-dozen anti-gay pickets from a controversial Kansas church [Fred Phelps's Westboro Baptist Church]". *You go kids, We're proud of you for standing up for everyone and not just some!
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"A group of seven congregants from [Fred Phelps's Westboro Baptist Church in] Topeka, Kan., set up outside Walt Whitman High School in Bethesda yesterday [Friday, April 24, 2009] to protest the sexual orientation of the poet for whom the school was named.
The police presence -- 40 officers, five horses, blocked-off streets and a football field's length of yellow tape -- seemed comically disproportionate until the counter-protest arrived.
At the 2:10 p.m. dismissal, 500 students issued forth from the campus and lined up, several students deep, along the police tape, across Whittier Boulevard from the congregants. They alternately chanted the school name and 'Go home!' -- drowning out voices from across the street."* _________________________________________________
“In the past, I opposed gay marriage while supporting the idea of civil unions,” Governor Baldacci said. “I have come to believe that this is a question of fairness and of equal protection under the law, and that a civil union is not equal to civil marriage.”You realize civil union is not equal to civil marriage? And you support the separation of church and state? Fantastic!
“Article I in the Maine Constitution states that ‘no person shall be deprived of life, liberty or property without due process of law, nor be denied the equal protection of the laws, nor be denied the enjoyment of that person’s civil rights or be discriminated against.’”
“This new law does not force any religion to recognize a marriage that falls outside of its beliefs. It does not require the church to perform any ceremony with which it disagrees. Instead, it reaffirms the separation of Church and State,” Governor Baldacci said.
"This is a close equivalent to the argument about gays in the military: since some feel they have cooties, it would wreck the whole enterprise. At least Heather concedes the unfairness of it - using bigotry as a reason to perpetuate bigotry - but it does fall into the Byron York trap of treating one minority as somehow not being real or equally valid citizens. And while this might have remained a cruel, unjust but utilitarian model in the past (however trivial homophobia might be as a factor in shoring up African-American marriage), it doesn't really work in a world where gay couples and their kids are public, unavoidable realities.Ah, she's the one who also authored the December 2008 article The Campus Rape Myth -- "The reality: bogus statistics, feminist victimology, and university-approved sex toys."
Once that happens, the dynamic is a little different. It becomes actively denying basic rights to one group in order to placate the prejudices of another. I can't see how this could work in an open and free society. It's so baldly discriminatory and unfair."
"I'm going to talk to legislators and I'm going to talk to the people of New Hampshire and ultimately make the best decision I can for the people of New Hampshire."
"We have been told by Carrie Prejean there are no other photos other than the one circulating in existence. She should know better than anyone [pageant spokesman Ron Neal said]."Oops. Hours later ... Another Racy Prejean Photo Emerges; Website Promises More.
"We told Keith Lewis [Co-Executive Director of Miss California USA] about [more] photos. His reaction: 'I'm absolutely stunned. This completely changes things for us. Yesterday we thought she had explained things accurately. We need to revisit this issue with her.'"TMZ also reports on the possible origins of Prejean's views on gays:
"In one of the docs [filed in her parents' divorce], Carrie's dad describes a confrontation he had with her mom in 1996, in which he recounts an argument in a restaurant parking lot, where 'Ms. Prejean accused me, in front of our daughter, of homosexuality.' The papers also quote a court-appointed doctor who said 'The mother questioned [within hearing of the girls] whether [her father] was a homosexual or had a homosexual roommate.' Carrie's mom says the 'gay' allegations went both ways. In court papers dated May 16, 2000, a report from the court-appointed counselor says 'The mother also alleges the father told the girls their stepfather was gay, that all men with mustaches are gay.' The father's response: 'The father acknowledges talking with the girls about the stepfather's brother being gay, not the stepfather.' Also in the docs -- a handwritten letter from Carrie's older sister, in which she recounts a weekend stay with her dad: 'One time my sister & I went in the hallway of my dad's apartment, & his roommate's door was open all the way & we saw [the roommate] in bed with another man. I don't think it's right for my sister & I to have to live that way.'"
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Translation: the right way to get re-elected
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