On the other hand, my pragmatist, political junkie side knows it's a bad idea. It would mean a 1 term Obama administration. Government would freeze, Nancy Pelosi would likely be implicated as having fore-knowledge of torture.
Plus nothing will unite a fractured GOP like having some big issue to attack, it'll come down to a a rallying cry of "fuck those Dems!"and "we're the victims!" Sure I want a 2 party government, someone to keep us in check, but lets wait 8 years eh?
Sacrificing morals for pragmatism? Yeah, I guess that's why I'm not an ideologue.
that's actually not true, at least in theory, although the obama admin is pushing the BS bush admin "state secrets" tactic to get entire cases dismissed regardless of their merits over their classified status. but there is and always has been a procedure by which a judge can view and evaluate classified information and have it remain classified, called 'in camera' review.
Yeah, they're letting the torture issue ripen. They're also letting the following issues ripen:
The president is not the fucking Prosecutor-in-Chief, people! The government is not just the office of the president... If it were, we'd be screwed, because apart from waging wars, the only explicit powers the president has are to make speeches and proposals, sign or veto laws, and make appointments subject to congressional approval.
He said: "On Monday, September 10th 2001, a message was intercepted by the State Department: tomorrow is zero hour. "Despite its simplicity, nobody was able to translate it. Any of the dozens of linguists already discharged for being gay at the time would have done so easily.”
It means that the Republican base will become even harder and louder than it is now.
It means that a significant portion who are ambivalent about torture will get tired and irritated that more immediate issues, in their view, are being sidetracked by endless media coverage and Congressional attention of torture investigations
And it means that everyone who wants torture prosecutions will bray endlessly about how it wasn't done right, and that's why there were acquittals after a decade in court.
Maybe you think it's worth it, Delmoi. But don't pretend you don't see exactly how the whole partisan battle would play out over years.
I already have health care
I'm sure that's very comforting to the 40 million or so Americans who don't, and who just lost their jobs in the greatest economic downturn since the Depression.
I already have health care
Okay, I'm going to bow out here with a great big fuck you to Delmoi and friends who neither understand what I'm arguing
Delmoi, I don't think #3 really requires any psychic powers at all. Scan the site for a while. Think of all of the things people have talked about, just here, that they wanted Obama to help accomplish. Fair or not, many, many hopes have been pinned upon him, and just a cursory scan through any Obama-related thread will show you. Gay marriage. Legalization of marijuana. A quick wrapup to the War We May Or May Not Be Having In Iraq. Health care reform.
Now, as to #9, I guess I'll skip out of metaphor land and say that my fear on this is that, by "grind to a halt," I mean that I believe DC will do little else but talk torture.
I do not think the Republicans in Congress have gone to 100%, or eleven on their amps, when it comes to resistance. We have yet to see the true wingnut face of it. And the Democrats are not exactly known for holding tightly in rank formation; should a sign appear that war crimes prosecution might be unpopular with the electorate, we'll see the usual Democrat dissension, and that's when the currently smooth insertion of legislation hits the turbulence.
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