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	<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 12:03:27 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>Abondoned Creations</title>
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		<description>&lt;a href="http://www.artificialowl.net/"&gt;Artificial Owl&lt;/a&gt; is a blog about about decommissioned/abandoned modern structures, from &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.artificialowl.net/2008/05/ship-wreck-on-zakynthos-island-greece.html&quot;&gt;beautiful shipwrecks&lt;/a&gt; to abandoned factories that look like they&apos;re straight out of a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.artificialowl.net/2008/12/abandoned-shipyard-covered-with.html&quot;&gt;Miyazaki movie&lt;/a&gt;.  Each post even has the Google Maps location of the site, so you can plan your journey to your favorite site of modern decay.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 11:52:05 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>TheRoach</dc:creator>		<category>shipwrecks</category>		<category>abandonedbuildings</category>		<category>urbandecay</category>
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		<title>By: Devils Rancher</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/81717/Abondoned-Creations#2567609</link>	
		<description>Fantastic. I already collect links to stuff like this. Someday, when I can afford gas again, there will be a road trip.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 12:03:27 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: hattifattener</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/81717/Abondoned-Creations#2567611</link>	
		<description>Swoon.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 12:04:10 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>hattifattener</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: loquacious</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/81717/Abondoned-Creations#2567618</link>	
		<description>Yes, I like their owl.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 12:08:46 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: jfrancis</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/81717/Abondoned-Creations#2567628</link>	
		<description>I was in an amazing abandoned steel mill once for a movie project. I wish I could have been there on my own with a camera.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 12:16:24 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Chocolate Pickle</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/81717/Abondoned-Creations#2567629</link>	
		<description>Some of those shipwrecks are heart breaking.

Here in Oregon, the &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Iredale_(ship)&quot;&gt;Peter Iredale&lt;/a&gt; went aground on the coast in 1906. I remember that when I was a kid that was a place we visited more than once. It was a clipper ship, and even in the early 1960&apos;s you could see what pretty lines her hull had.

It&apos;s been rusting away for a hundred years and there&apos;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&amp;source=s_q&amp;hl=en&amp;geocode=&amp;q=&amp;ie=UTF8&amp;ll=46.17823,-123.980815&amp;spn=0.002998,0.004603&amp;t=h&amp;z=18&quot;&gt;hardly anything left now&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 12:17:02 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Chocolate Pickle</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: HuronBob</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/81717/Abondoned-Creations#2567668</link>	
		<description>nice find....  thanks</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 12:50:05 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: blithecatpie</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/81717/Abondoned-Creations#2567677</link>	
		<description>This is really a fascinating site, with brief histories to accompany the photographs. I especially love the eerie photographs of the abandoned amusement parks.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 12:57:48 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Rumple</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/81717/Abondoned-Creations#2567683</link>	
		<description>This is an excellent site - best of the web!   Thank you.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 13:01:01 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: selenized</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/81717/Abondoned-Creations#2567770</link>	
		<description>I love this site.  The &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.artificialowl.net/2009/04/abandoned-sugar-cane-factory-of_04.html&quot;&gt;abandoned sugar cane factory&lt;/a&gt; is my personal favorite.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 14:27:55 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: kozad</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/81717/Abondoned-Creations#2567799</link>	
		<description>See, there are things to gawk at outside of Detroit!</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 14:47:02 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Rock Steady</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/81717/Abondoned-Creations#2567832</link>	
		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.artificialowl.net/2008/07/bannermans-castle-abandoned-military.html&quot;&gt;Bannerman&apos;s Fucking Castle&lt;/a&gt;. Thanks for the post, TheRoach.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 15:18:26 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Paragon</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/81717/Abondoned-Creations#2567877</link>	
		<description>That old shipyard is gorgeous - totally Miyazaki.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 16:14:54 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: dogrose</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/81717/Abondoned-Creations#2567898</link>	
		<description>Why are these abandoned artifacts so fascinating? I totally feel it but I don&apos;t quite understand it. Some sort of Ozymandias thing? I dunno. 

Thanks, theroach, for letting us in on another timesuck.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 16:38:01 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: delmoi</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/81717/Abondoned-Creations#2567957</link>	
		<description>&lt;i&gt;Why are these abandoned artifacts so fascinating?&lt;/i&gt;

Because they&apos;re awesome. 

But I think it&apos;s the fact  they look like ancient ruins, yet at the same time they&apos;re clearly modern. They&apos;re like a visual pun,  or surrealism made real.  There is a tension between nature and artifice. 

And of course, they are simply visually interesting.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 18:11:58 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Ynoxas</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/81717/Abondoned-Creations#2567986</link>	
		<description>Great post.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 18:54:07 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Tullius</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/81717/Abondoned-Creations#2568002</link>	
		<description>Great photos. Thanks for the post.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 19:27:30 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: giraffe</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/81717/Abondoned-Creations#2568011</link>	
		<description>Breathtaking. Thank you!</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 19:43:18 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Herodios</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/81717/Abondoned-Creations#2568024</link>	
		<description>Did someone mention &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.artificialowl.net/2009/03/giant-hand-of-atacama-desert.html&quot;&gt;ozymandias&lt;/a&gt; ?</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 20:07:06 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Herodios</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/81717/Abondoned-Creations#2568036</link>	
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Maybe I missed it, but I&apos;m surprised not to see the &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryugyong_Hotel&quot;&gt;Ryugyong Hotel&lt;/a&gt; which &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.esquire.com/cm/esquire/images/11/ryugyong-hotel-lg.jpg&quot;&gt;looms over Pyongyang&lt;/a&gt;, North Korea. &lt;a href=&quot;http://googlesightseeing.com/wp-content/ryugyong.jpg&quot;&gt;Unfinished and now unfinishable&lt;/a&gt;, and at nearly 1100 feet, the 18th tallest building in the world, and the &lt;a href=&quot;http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&amp;num=10&amp;lr=&amp;ft=i&amp;cr=&amp;safe=images&amp;q=Ryugyong%20Hotel%20&amp;um=1&amp;ie=UTF-8&amp;sa=N&amp;tab=wl&quot;&gt;world&apos;s tallest unoccupied building&lt;/a&gt;. Certainly the world&apos;s biggest white elephant.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 20:17:34 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Herodios</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: Chocolate Pickle</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/81717/Abondoned-Creations#2568054</link>	
		<description>It&apos;s dangerous for tourists to try to take pictures of the Ryugyong. You can get arrested for it, and North Korea is a country where I, for one, would really not like being arrested.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 20:36:35 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Chocolate Pickle</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: hattifattener</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/81717/Abondoned-Creations#2568072</link>	
		<description>Why is it &quot;now unfinishable&quot;? The Wikipedia article makes brief mention of some problem with the elevator design, but other than that the problems all seemed to be economic.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 21:21:25 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: dhartung</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/81717/Abondoned-Creations#2568085</link>	
		<description>Presumably, hattifattener, exposure to the elements has rendered the superstructure unsafe. Buildings that aren&apos;t in use deteriorate surprisingly quickly.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 21:53:36 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Herodios</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/81717/Abondoned-Creations#2568096</link>	
		<description>&lt;strong&gt;hattifattener&lt;/strong&gt;: &lt;em&gt;Why is it &quot;now unfinishable&quot;?&lt;/em&gt; 

Official information about the building is rare as hen&apos;s teeth, but as of a year or two ago, conventional wisdom via sources like &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.emporis.com&quot;&gt;Emporis&lt;/a&gt;   held that the basic structure -- and really, that&apos;s all the there that there is there -- was so poor  that it wouldn&apos;t be safe to proceed. 

Example quotes:
&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;[T]he cement used in the structure is not safe enough to continue the project and is presently crumbling. . . if an outside developer wanted to finish the job, it would have to first start by knocking it down and starting over from scratch.&quot;

&quot;[Lee Sang Jun, a professor of architecture at Yonsei University in Seoul, South Korea] and other architects said there were questions raised about whether the hotel was structurally sound, and a few believed completing the structure could cause it to collapse.&quot;

&quot;It would cost up to $2bn to finish the Ryugyong Hotel and make it safe, according to estimates in South Korea&apos;s media. That is equivalent to about 10 per cent of the North&apos;s annual economic output.&quot;

&quot;The shell of the building is complete but it has not been certified as safe for occupancy. There are no windows, fixtures, or fittings. The extremely poor quality concrete used in its construction has left the building sagging to such a great degree that the structure can never be finished without a massive overhaul.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
More recent news accounts about construction activity center around the communication antennas being mounted on top and the glass panels currently being attached to the sides of the building (though not in the actual window frames). The former looks like &apos;lemonade from lemons&apos;, and the latter bespeaks a minimal beautification project. No one is talking about correcting construction mistakes or instaling things like plumbing, power, HVAC, or elevators, much less guestrooms, restaurants, and casinos. 

Technically, yeah, I suppose a few hundred million US$ could be spent to make it structurally sound and finish it, if you could justify such an expense for a 3,000 room luxury hotel in a city nobody visits.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 22:23:56 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: azarbayejani</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/81717/Abondoned-Creations#2568550</link>	
		<description>Reminds me of Fallout 3</description>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 17 May 2009 12:21:39 -0800</pubDate>
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