Comments on: "What's with these people?" he asked. "They've even sued my cancer research company."

"What's with these people?" he asked. "They've even sued my cancer research company."

booknerd — Thu, 25 Jun 2009 11:58:23 -0800

Hank Asher, billionaire eccentric philanthropist/data miner, is being sued by publishing giant Elsevier. "What's with these people? They've even sued my cancer research company." On the one hand, Asher used to smuggle cocaine. On the other hand, Elsevier has their own problems.

By: jessamyn

jessamyn — Thu, 25 Jun 2009 12:02:04 -0800

Oh man I love the comment on that Nature blurb -- you know the one where Elsevier was offering Amazon gift cards to their authors for 5-star review of Elsevier products -- "I do hope Elsevier are building a secret base on their own Caribbean island, surrounded by sharks with lasers. If they're going to act like an evil company, they should do it properly."

By: booknerd

booknerd — Thu, 25 Jun 2009 12:28:50 -0800

They're so, so evil. As a science librarian in charge of our serials/databases, they're really the bane of my existence. This is my first FPP though, so I tried to refrain from editorializing or getting put on the naughty list by saying "OMG EVIL EVIL".

By: boo_radley

boo_radley — Thu, 25 Jun 2009 12:29:05 -0800

From the article:

Asher has said publicly that TLFO is doing only charitable work to help in the hunt for child predators until his non-compete expires, the suit alleges that Asher is already angling for market share.

That's a tidy angle to have: " You win. I'll stop my charity to prevent pedophiles from stalking children."

By: sararah

sararah — Thu, 25 Jun 2009 12:42:37 -0800

You never really think about the big publishers when you send your articles off to little journals... interesting stuff, thanks.

By: Malor

Malor — Thu, 25 Jun 2009 12:52:32 -0800

boo_radly, I was just coming to quote that line. Throwing that card in that way means that Asher is guilty, guilty, guilty.

By: Malor

Malor — Thu, 25 Jun 2009 12:52:56 -0800

*radley, sorry, didn't preview.

By: Nelson

Nelson — Thu, 25 Jun 2009 12:55:54 -0800

Elsevier is also the publisher of famed fake journal Chaos, Solitons, and Fractals. Note: part of Elsevier's business model is bundling crappy journals (some fake, apparently) with the journals scholars want and requiring libraries to buy them as a group.

By: grobstein

grobstein — Thu, 25 Jun 2009 12:58:23 -0800

Since the post and comments don't say, here is the theory of Elsevier's lawsuit: Asher sold a database business to Elsevier, under a five-year noncompete agreement. Asher started up a new database venture within the noncompete period. Elsevier asserts that Asher's new business competes in violation of their contract, among other ways marketing his new products to law enforcement agencies under the guise of charitable use. (I.e., using free "charitable" giveaways to establish market share, which he will charge for after the noncompete period is up.) I don't know that the lawsuit is correct -- that depends on a lot of details. But it's just an attempt to hold Asher to the terms of a sales contract. If anyone would like to explain how this is evil, that would be cool.

By: Autarky

Autarky — Thu, 25 Jun 2009 13:09:30 -0800

And I say to myself, what a wonderful world.

By: XMLicious

XMLicious — Thu, 25 Jun 2009 13:15:22 -0800

Heh heh, from the first link:

"Je veux trouver un mur de vert, s'il vous plaît," Asher declares genially with no French accent at all to his driver when he settles his formidable frame into the backseat of the car. The driver, as Asher has noted, is a French-speaking Haitian. As he heads west toward New Jersey's Teterboro Airport, the driver looks perplexed. "Qu'est-ce que vous voulez?" "Un mur de vert," Asher repeats. "Un mur de vert?" the driver echoes. "I want to find a fucking WALGREENS!" Asher exclaims.

By: sebastienbailard

sebastienbailard — Thu, 25 Jun 2009 13:29:54 -0800

Oh man I love the comment on that Nature blurb -- you know the one where Elsevier was offering Amazon gift cards to their authors for 5-star review of Elsevier products -- "I do hope Elsevier are building a secret base on their own Caribbean island, surrounded by sharks with lasers. If they're going to act like an evil company, they should do it properly." That would explain the Arms Fairs Reed Elsevier used to organize.

By: 7segment

7segment — Thu, 25 Jun 2009 14:33:33 -0800

By: booknerd

booknerd — Thu, 25 Jun 2009 14:41:30 -0800

If anyone would like to explain how this is evil, that would be cool. I'm just saying they're evil because, among other things, they charge libraries extortionary rates for access to scientific literature, pass a great deal of marketing material off as "peer-reviewed scholarly literature", and have resorted to bribing academics for favorable reviews of their products. If you're asking me to explain/justify the post, I just thought the articles were interesting and potentially MeFi-worthy. Asher seems nuts, and it's entirely possible what he's doing is violating the non-compete agreement. However, it's very clear that he uses a great deal of his money for charitable purposes (apparently right now his thing is cancer research, according to one of those articles). Elsevier, on the other hand, vigorously opposes open access to research in the name of protecting scientific rigor, while engaging in shady practices that undermine the very thing they're purporting to protect. It's hard not to root for them to fail, just on principle.

By: six-or-six-thirty

six-or-six-thirty — Thu, 25 Jun 2009 15:00:44 -0800

*reads post* ... *reads comments* ... *quietly closes open Geomorphology .pdf, backs away*

By: grobstein

grobstein — Thu, 25 Jun 2009 15:45:30 -0800

I'm just saying they're evil because, among other things, they charge libraries extortionary rates for access to scientific literature, pass a great deal of marketing material off as "peer-reviewed scholarly literature", and have resorted to bribing academics for favorable reviews of their products. Yes, that is hideous. But it has nothing to do with the matter of this lawsuit. "I'm a goodguy and he's a badguy," is not a defense to breach of contract. (Nor, dare I say, should it be.) I felt like the post was purporting to be about this lawsuit, but most of the text (and ensuing discussion) is about which of the parties is most evil in matters wholly orthogonal to the lawsuit.

By: dhruva

dhruva — Thu, 25 Jun 2009 16:02:25 -0800

That was a fascinating article, thanks. I especially liked the fact that this guy picked up computer programming so quickly.

By: BitterOldPunk

BitterOldPunk — Thu, 25 Jun 2009 17:52:48 -0800

I briefly worked as an editorial assistant for the editor of an Elsevier journal. I handled the paperwork end of the peer review process. As far as I knew, there was legitimate science occurring. But when the publishers came to town? Man, we ate well. Lunches at expensive restaurants all over town. First class. Expense accounts. Then they cut our budget, consolidated the editorial staff, and laid me off. Cost-cutting measures. Belt-tightening. So I got a job bartending again, at a great restaurant where I was making more money. Guess who was eating there three months later? Yup, the editor and the publishing staff, and some new guys who'd flown down with them from New York. The new editorial staff, meeting the editor. Way to tighten that belt, guys.

By: spicynuts

spicynuts — Fri, 26 Jun 2009 06:03:15 -0800

Wholly orthogonal?? Awesome. Holy Orthogonality, Batman!!