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I can see the fnords!

empath — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 18:29:52 -0800

Before 9/11, the center of the conspiracy theorist's universe was the Kennedy Assassination. And probably the definitive statement on the ridiculousness of the conspiracy theories of that era was the Illuminatus! Trilogy[warning, the entire several hundred page novel in PDF], published in 1975 and written by two Playboy editors at the height of the era of flower power. It drew on many sources, but most distinctively, it drew from a little public domain pamphlet called The Principia Discordia. Many people know the catch phrases (Fnord! Hail Eris!), but not many people know the authors' very real connections to the Kennedy Assassination.

Malaclypse the Younger (Greg Hill) worked in Jim Garrison's office in New Orleans and the very first copy of the Principia was run off of Garrison's copy machine. There's a copy of the first edition in the official House JFK assassination records. Kerry Thornley served in the Marines with Lee Harvey Oswald and wrote a novel based on Oswald before he assassinated Kennedy. He testified to the Warren Commission about his friendship with Oswald and later was accused of being part of the conspiracy by Jim Garrison, who ended up charging him with perjury. Garrison's theory was so convincing that Thornley actually came to believe that he may have been unknowingly involved in the conspiracy.

By: Ghidorah

Ghidorah — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 18:34:52 -0800

You fool! Now they're on to us! Who is this? I don't know you! Prank poster! Prank poster!

By: Samizdata

Samizdata — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 18:40:00 -0800

Thanks for the book link. Lost my original copies in a fire. Now I have it in a nice netbook compatible format. Kalliste!

By: Cyrano

Cyrano — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 18:41:41 -0800

I love the picture caption in the "Before 9/11" Wikipedia link: "The collapse of the two World Trade Center towers and the nearby WTC7 are a major focus of 9/11 conspiracy theories." No shit?

By: Astro Zombie

Astro Zombie — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 18:49:11 -0800

I'm a 9/11 conspiracy theorist, but my primary focus is on hollow earth stuff. I know you're down there reading this, mole men; I'm on to you.

By: mattoxic

mattoxic — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 18:50:37 -0800

Lost my original copies in a fire. A fire you say? How convenient, and some say possibly a little too convenient.

By: philip-random

philip-random — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 18:52:32 -0800

the definitive statement on the ridiculousness of the conspiracy theories of that era was the Illuminatus! Trilogy Ridiculousness? What exactly are you suggesting here? This book is nothing, if not, the anti-Atlas-Shrugged. I know this because I read Metafilter.

By: empath

empath — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 19:01:40 -0800

There's actually a long riff on Atlas Shrugged in the book:

Briefly, then, Telemachus Sneezed deals with a time in the near future when we dirty, filthy, freaky, lazy, dope-smoking, frantic-fucking anarchists have brought Law and Order to a nervous collapse in America'. The heroine, Taffy Rhinestone, is, like Atlanta was once herself, a member of Women's Liberation and a believer in socialism, anarchism, free abortions and the charisma of Che. Then comes the rude awakening: food riots, industrial stagnation, a reign of lawless looting and plunder, everything George Wallace ever warned us against— but the Supreme Court, who are all anarchists with names ending in -stein or -farb or -berger (there is no overt anti-Semitism in the book), keeps repealing laws and taking away the rights of policemen. Finally, in the fifth chapter— the climax of Book One— the heroine, poor toughy Taffy, gets raped fifteen times by an oversexed black brute right out of The Birth of a Nation, while a group of cops stand by cursing, wringing their hands and frothing at the mouth because the Supreme Court rulings won't allow them to take any action. In Book Two, which takes place a few years later, things have degenerated even further...

It goes on quite a bit more from there...

By: Astro Zombie

Astro Zombie — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 19:04:29 -0800

Paraphrase is not satire.

By: shoesfullofdust

shoesfullofdust — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 19:08:51 -0800

There was a young lady from Queens Who gobbled a plateful of beans The beans fermented And she was tormented By embarasing sounds in her jeans!

By: shoesfullofdust

shoesfullofdust — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 19:32:18 -0800

(from page 109 of the PDF if you're reading along)

By: Marisa Stole the Precious Thing

Marisa Stole the Precious Thing — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 19:42:51 -0800

What a fun book that was to read in high school. Too bad a lot of people actually took it seriously, and ended up cornering me at campus parties expounding on the different interconnected conspiracies the book "revealed". It was stunning to me, like talking to someone who'd read A Modest Proposal and was like, "Yeah, what's wrong with that guy? Eating kids? How messed up is that?"

By: codswallop

codswallop — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 19:52:50 -0800

"The collapse of the two World Trade Center towers and the nearby WTC7 are a major focus of 9/11 conspiracy theories." Huh. And here I was thinking it was all about the disappearance of chemtrails.

By: Artw

Artw — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 19:53:39 -0800

FNORD

By: codswallop

codswallop — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 19:54:25 -0800

I know you're down there reading this, mole men; I'm on to you. Oh Christ, the crab people have gotten to Astro Zombie.

By: cimbrog

cimbrog — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 20:02:24 -0800

posted by Artw at 10:53 PM on June 29 [+] [!] Why are you leaving blank posts, Artw?

By: Cathedral

Cathedral — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 20:09:17 -0800

I made my wife read this. .

By: brundlefly

brundlefly — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 20:13:16 -0800

I know you're down there reading this, mole men; I'm on to you. ¿ʍouʞ noʎ pıp ʍoɥ ¡spunoz

By: sotonohito

sotonohito — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 20:15:00 -0800

I've been a practicing Discoridan for a while. One day I hope to stop needing the practice....

By: schyler523

schyler523 — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 20:17:12 -0800

Did Fnord you Fnord mean to post Fnord a blank Fnord comment Artw?

By: tzikeh

tzikeh — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 20:17:31 -0800

Needs pinealgland tag.

By: fleetmouse

fleetmouse — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 20:20:27 -0800

expounding on the different interconnected conspiracies the book "revealed". Amazing. I always thought the book functioned as a vaccine against paranoid conspiracy theories. Oh well, that's what happens sometimes when you administer a live virus.

By: jimfl

jimfl — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 20:20:41 -0800

Lick here [ ] You may be one of the lucky 25!

By: schyler523

schyler523 — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 20:20:43 -0800

Oh, and this is my favorite book, if you couldn't tell from my username...

By: muckster

muckster — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 20:21:20 -0800

Just dug this out a few days ago -- I saw Public Enemies and remembered that John Dillinger was a recurring character in the book. This is probably not a coincidence.

By: 5_13_23_42_69_666

5_13_23_42_69_666 — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 20:21:38 -0800

it was years after reading those books that my group of friends could refrain from saying "coincidentally" after anyone said five or twenty-three.

By: ambient2

ambient2 — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 20:24:57 -0800

How will I know, Jim? The screen, it tasted good.

By: marxchivist

marxchivist — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 20:28:38 -0800

We don't need to read no stinking book. Tribulation 99 explains everything. This trailer only hints at the secrets revealed in this movie. It's got your JFK, the Masons, the replicant Castro, the psychic vampire regime in Grenada and the Allende plot to alter the Earth's axis.

By: mosk

mosk — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 20:38:43 -0800

Also relevant (and funny): this ad for the board game Scot Free, from Kentucky Fried Movie (YT).

By: vrakatar

vrakatar — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 20:40:01 -0800

all because of an obscure island named Fernando Poo. and my name is, if you will pardon me, Nkrumah Fubar. Hey gimme a hit off that ok

By: Afroblanco

Afroblanco — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 20:58:09 -0800

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Garrison a rabid homophobe who somehow found a way to champion the least plausible of all the possible Kennedy conspiracy theories?

By: zamboni

zamboni — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 20:58:56 -0800

▴

By: Astro Zombie

Astro Zombie — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 21:00:50 -0800

Now, Afroblanco, why would Oliver Stone make a movie that must, based on your description, simplify and misrepresent a very complicated and morally ambiguous man? Also, when John Candy shows up in Ray Bans in JFK, the movie goes into the fucking stratosphere, man.

By: eye of newt

eye of newt — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 21:51:51 -0800

My favorite Kennedy assassination theory video. Full of some some amazing leaps of logic, but fun nevertheless.

By: mwhybark

mwhybark — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 22:00:19 -0800

Also, when John Candy shows up in Ray Bans in JFK, the movie goes into the fucking stratosphere, man. I dunno, eating a meal in NOLA never seemed the same to me after that. Like it was missing something. Like, maybe a hyperkinetic rotund hipster in Ray-Bans, man.

By: Henry C. Mabuse

Henry C. Mabuse — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 22:18:44 -0800

RAW was a genius. There are few men with such brilliant minds and ideas that have been so heartily ignored by the mainstream as Robert Anton Wilson. Have any of you perused his Quantum Psychology concept? Absolutely brilliant. But the most moving aspect, and one that convinced me that there *is* indeed hope for the human race, after years of depressed despair, was the way thousands of strangers got together to help RAW in his final days, donating money so that he could maintain in his home as he died, rather than be carted off to some horrible hospital. My gods! Altruism still lives! Take that, Ayn Rand! The Discordians never really interested me, even though I have been involved with them tangentially for years. It seems a quintessentially American gag or routine. It has no relevancy elsewhere, imho, tho' I'm prepared to be convinced otherwise. But RAW's ideas.. they're universally applicable.. if you are a domesticated primate, that is. Tri-lobed pseudo-cephalopods from Fomalhaut Alpha may find their results vary.

By: Afroblanco

Afroblanco — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 22:21:50 -0800

Tri-lobed pseudo-cephalopods from Fomalhaut Alpha may find their results vary. Leave unteleported men out of this.

By: anigbrowl

anigbrowl — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 23:04:29 -0800

expounding on the different interconnected conspiracies the book "revealed". Indeed it's a vaccine against conspiracy theories, but (especially for someone from outside the US who didn't grow up with the cultural context) it's also an invaluable guide to How Things Work. The follow up Schrodinger's Cat trilogy is funnier on a literary level but more rooted in its time (and thus not as well known, but still worth a read). Masks of the Illuminati is less well-known again but exceeds the Illuminatus trilogy on both a literary and pedagogical level. Very strongly recommended if you like RAW and haven't read it yet - as good as his psychology/philosophy books, or perhaps even better as a demonstration rather than a straightforward exegesis.

By: Marisa Stole the Precious Thing

Marisa Stole the Precious Thing — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 23:13:00 -0800

By: ErWenn

ErWenn — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 23:15:59 -0800

Marisa: It was stunning to me, like talking to someone who'd read A Modest Proposal and was like, 'Yeah, what's wrong with that guy? Eating kids? How messed up is that?' It's more like someone reading "A Modest Proposal" and saying "Eating kids? What a great idea!" I and my friends (at least one who is active on Metafilter) were quite taken by the Illuminatus! trilogy, Principia Dischordia, and the more amusing aspects of Dischordianism when we were in high school. There was a marquee up in the cafeteria that was rentable (usually for club announcements and the like). One May 23rd, we paid to have the words "HAVE A NICE FNORD SUMMER" put up. We all work monk robes to school that day. I'd tell you about the chaos we got into the following May 23rd, I'm not entirely certain the statute of limitations has run out on that. I never met anyone who took it seriously, but the mere fact that such people existed kind of baffles the mind. It's sort of by-definition impossible to take seriously. -the Mgt-

By: ROU_Xenophobe

ROU_Xenophobe — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 23:16:13 -0800

Have any of you perused his Quantum Psychology concept? Maybe.

By: Marisa Stole the Precious Thing

Marisa Stole the Precious Thing — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 23:19:17 -0800

I never met anyone who took it seriously, but the mere fact that such people existed kind of baffles the mind. It's sort of by-definition impossible to take seriously. That's what I always thought, but the people who cornered me about it were of the opinion that the real joke was that these conspiracies did exist, and were being hidden in plain sight by talking at length about how ridiculous they were.

By: philip-random

philip-random — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 23:24:22 -0800

Yeah, I did read Schoedinger's Cat and enjoyed it much more. Where the Illuminati was a big, fun, sloppy, hilarious mess, Scroedinger's Cat was tightened up a bit, and packed a sharper punch. Great stuff, definitely. Nicely put. Illuminatus is the one that gets talked about, Schrodinger is the genuine masterpiece. Heartily recommended to any and all who gave up on Quantum Mechanix etc in the wake of mercenary (and earnest) crap like What the Bleep do we Know?

By: empath

empath — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 23:24:28 -0800

I'm not 100% sure that RAW himself didn't believe in any of them. He seemed rather serious about the dog-star stuff.

By: empath

empath — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 23:27:47 -0800

I thought Scrodinger's Cat was kind of dull, honestly.

By: Artw

Artw — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 23:29:10 -0800

On the subject of beleif, or otherwise, in weird things I strongly recommend the Cosmic Trigger books. I don't know if he was serious about the dog-star stuff but he certainly had a serious something happen to his brain at somepoint which led to it.

By: twoleftfeet

twoleftfeet — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 23:32:59 -0800

Based on total book sales, the theory in The Illuminatus Trilogy is not as accurate as the one in The Da Vinci Code.

By: Henry C. Mabuse

Henry C. Mabuse — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 23:34:32 -0800

RAW was completely agnostic about everything. He entertained ideas without buying into them. He talked about ego jumping, being able to entertain a belief system totally 100%, then abandoning it to move on to something else. He was able to entertain concepts in order to appreciate the kernel of value in them, then discard them like an old robe. The only way to fly, kids.

By: empath

empath — Mon, 29 Jun 2009 23:59:29 -0800

Based on total book sales, the theory in The Illuminatus Trilogy is not as accurate as the one in The Da Vinci Code. RAW was talking about the da Vinci code before the da Vinci code came out: The I in the Triangle

By: philip-random

philip-random — Tue, 30 Jun 2009 00:28:53 -0800

I thought Scrodinger's Cat was kind of dull, honestly. Oh yeah!? RAW was completely agnostic about everything. He entertained ideas without buying into them. He talked about ego jumping, being able to entertain a belief system totally 100%, then abandoning it to move on to something else. He was able to entertain concepts in order to appreciate the kernel of value in them, then discard them like an old robe. The only way to fly, kids. Yes and ummm ... I would add that maybe he did actually "believe" in some of the deep weirdness of which he wrote, but was wise enough to know that "belief" is a common and perhaps unavoidable human affliction. We all suffer from it at least occasionally but it's nothing to build a worldview on.

By: quartzcity

quartzcity — Tue, 30 Jun 2009 00:50:33 -0800

There's a great biography on Kerry Thornley out called The Prankster and the Conspiracy. The consensual truth is even more bizarre than what's in the conspiracy mill.

By: DreamerFi

DreamerFi — Tue, 30 Jun 2009 01:12:41 -0800

The Best Michael Jackson Conspiracy Theories

By: Joey Michaels

Joey Michaels — Tue, 30 Jun 2009 02:00:57 -0800

Did you know that "nine eleven changed everything" can be rearranged to spell "A Leeched Inn Revenging the Envy?" Any fool can see what that suggests.

By: juv3nal

juv3nal — Tue, 30 Jun 2009 02:34:57 -0800

Any fool can see what that suggests. *ahem* cementation zeniths?

By: jeffburdges

jeffburdges — Tue, 30 Jun 2009 03:14:53 -0800

I think the world needs a new genre of flash game : conspiracy theory choose your own adventure. So you'd get different variations on the Kennedy assassination depending upon your investigative choices, ultimately proving one wacky theory and winning a Pulitzer. Or you'd eventually be deemed a crackpot if your investigation was too thorough. lol

By: rmd1023

rmd1023 — Tue, 30 Jun 2009 03:45:56 -0800

jeffburdges -- i like it! it would add a whole level of weird to flash friday games.

By: robocop is bleeding

robocop is bleeding — Tue, 30 Jun 2009 05:05:23 -0800

I used to think my tattoo of the Five Fingered Hand of Eris over the Sacred Chao was unique and daring, representative of that chaotic time in my young adult life when I was really, really into RAW. I drew the design myself and had it done when I turned 21. But then a few years I noticed the guy who sold me my Mac had pretty much the same tattoo, except in color. And I grew to wonder which Apple we were honoring anyways. And the veil pulled back from my eyes and lo, I was afraid.

By: thanotopsis

thanotopsis — Tue, 30 Jun 2009 05:39:29 -0800

The book is nothing without the companion Steve Jackson literature.

By: fnord

fnord — Tue, 30 Jun 2009 06:37:54 -0800

Me.

By: Who_Am_I

Who_Am_I — Tue, 30 Jun 2009 06:45:55 -0800

I was reading up on this stuff the other day, reminiscing about my RAW days and learning about the Kennedy/Oswald connection for the first time. The Illuminatus! is one (three) of those books that, if you read it at the right time, usually high school, really does change your life at least in some small way. I still have my original copy, and a 1979 edition Principia Discordia that I found used. I assume it has already been licked. Funny story: Around 1998, I had a friend who worked with a guy who claimed to have some little-know information about the Kennedy assassination. In fact, he had video footage of the event which had been suppressed by the government, and was now being passed around clandestinely by those with the right connections. He was obviously pretty secretive about the whole thing. Well my friend finally convinced this guy to show the tape, and it turned out to be a third- or fourth-generation, taped from television clip from the Zapruder film, which the guy had somehow never heard of. Neither of us was all that surprised.

By: zenzizi

zenzizi — Tue, 30 Jun 2009 08:09:47 -0800

Damn I'm late to this thread. I translated the Principia in French back in '96. It can be found here (images) and here (text).

By: Guy_Inamonkeysuit

Guy_Inamonkeysuit — Tue, 30 Jun 2009 08:30:44 -0800

I know what I am gonna do to Goddess when I find her, you can bet on that.

By: Smedleyman

Smedleyman — Tue, 30 Jun 2009 08:40:02 -0800

"I never met anyone who took it seriously, but the mere fact that such people existed kind of baffles the mind. It's sort of by-definition impossible to take seriously." Heaven's Gate, man. But looking at the folks on X-Day at the Subgenius stuff, it's not hard to see there either. Stang (at Brushwood) comes out, there's the 'radio reports' of the world ending as the Earth turns, gets to local time and - nada. And he stands there with a big shit eating grin and the crowd sits there like startled deer waiting for the cues to what's next. Kinda funny really. Well, not just kinda. A joke in the making since '79 and the punchline falls flat 19-odd years later (I was laughing uproariously, but y'know, often I'm surrounded by an SEP field) Funnier still though were the Discordians handing out pamphlets that intimated that since nothing had happened (as opposed to 'nothing' having 'happened'), readers should look into Discordianism. Made me laugh even harder. Not all I did of course, but wei wu wei's my thing, so I had some breakfast in the woods and took a nap. Seems to me most people hung up on conspiracy theories (pranks are an inversion - fun tho) are pissed off about control. As if such a thing existed. I mean, it's not only impossible to take "Illuminatus!" seriously, it's impossible to take any information at all seriously ("Foucault's Pendulum" comes to mind). Hell, look at Thornley. But a lot of people hint that they know more than they want to tell. Thinking you're in on it doesn't help. Eventually, yeah, you cut your own balls off and wind up in bed wearing Nike's with $5 bucks and change in your pocket. Funny, I understand RAW met Applewhite very briefly. The latter asked him an apparently incoherent question at an event RAW was speaking at or some such. I heard Tim Leary debated G. Gordon Liddy on 'The State of the Mind vs. The Mind of the State.' Eventually they went on tour together. Meh. Stuff gets weird. It's a nice hobby, tho.

By: empath

empath — Tue, 30 Jun 2009 08:41:02 -0800

zenziz -- i'm curious to hear more about that. Any special challenges to the translation? Is it popular in France? (at least in the same circles that it's popular in the US -- hackers, nerds, etc)

By: Smedleyman

Smedleyman — Tue, 30 Jun 2009 10:00:20 -0800

Although sometimes even though some things are jokes, they're very important and should be taken seriously. Emperor Joshua Norton comes to mind. But there's a recursive element there.

By: mygothlaundry

mygothlaundry — Tue, 30 Jun 2009 10:05:04 -0800

Nthing the love for Schrodinger's Cat and The Cosmic Trigger which I swear changed my life, no shit, at the oh so coincidental age of 23. Now that I'm older I try every few years to reread the Illuminatus but I can't, somehow, make my way through it; I think it's got to be at one of those magical certain moments in your life or it just doesn't resonate, somehow. A family member of mine has essentially devoted the majority of his life to Kennedy linked conspiracy stuff and yes, when he's talking it sometimes makes a scary kind of sense but then - it doesn't. It presupposes superhuman clarity, intelligence and organization and I just can't quite get behind that; I can see people as engaging in an endless series of pratfalls and fuckups but being actual masterminds of evil, not so much. But maybe that's what all those coincidences are supposed to tell us after all. Hail Eris!

By: grubi

grubi — Tue, 30 Jun 2009 11:37:13 -0800

Illuminatus! is still my favorite book for sheer entertainment. But I was led to that by accident, when, one day, I was browsing the shelves at our local paperbackerie and I happen to notice a slim bright yellow volume for sale *blink* Where am I?

By: juv3nal

juv3nal — Tue, 30 Jun 2009 11:39:01 -0800

<fnord> It's a little known fact that the fnord tag has long been a part of the html spec. No one notices, of course, because all mentions of it are wrapped in fnord tags. Consider "W3C": "W3" is 2 characters used to represent 3 words. The "C" that follows that is the 3rd letter of the alphabet. "http://www.w3.org/" has precisely 18 characters which is 2 times 3^2. This is no coincidence. You'll note that "http://www.w3c.org/" redirects to "http://www.w3.org/." Think about that. </fnord>

By: grubi

grubi — Tue, 30 Jun 2009 11:57:05 -0800

Mind = Blown

By: aldus_manutius

aldus_manutius — Tue, 30 Jun 2009 12:16:54 -0800

Having met RAW at a "new age" bookstore and having him sign the Trilogy, I approve of this story ... Hail Eris!

By: aldus_manutius

aldus_manutius — Tue, 30 Jun 2009 12:18:04 -0800

MeFi:I can see the fnords!

By: hippybear

hippybear — Tue, 30 Jun 2009 15:54:43 -0800

Someone needs to create an april fool's joke where people see MeFi pages with FNORD randomly injected into the text, and which may or may not disappear over time or on reload. something small and subtle. I'm just saying.

By: Unicorn on the cob

Unicorn on the cob — Tue, 30 Jun 2009 22:22:01 -0800

This post needs a tangential mention of James Ellroy: American Tabloid The Cold Six Thousand Blood's a Rover (preorder now) conspiracies

By: Pronoiac

Pronoiac — Wed, 01 Jul 2009 01:41:42 -0800

Maybe I was taking it too seriously, but I was reading it during laundrytime for a while but had to stop because the urge to throw it into a wiki & annotate it was too strong. I wanted to see which patterns where really there. "Heaven for ..., hell for ..." was the snowclone that begged for links to others, I think.

By: ErWenn

ErWenn — Wed, 01 Jul 2009 09:02:18 -0800

I should clarify my previous statement about "it" being "by-definition impossible to take seriously". By "it", I was referring to Dischordianism, and by "take seriously", I meant "treat its tenets as inviolate." The very nature of the tenets of Dischordianism render this impossible. I do not think it by-definition impossible to take Illuminatus! seriously, nor the conspiracy theories often connected to this whole rigmarole. Perhaps at some point in time, I thought it ridiculous that someone might take such things seriously, but I've encountered enough crackpots, pots with hairline fractures, and piles of pottery shards to no longer be surprised.

By: Smedleyman

Smedleyman — Wed, 01 Jul 2009 10:58:35 -0800

You know who else had 23 stab wounds? I don't know why people take the Caesar assassination conspiracy seriously. Marcus Junius Brutus, acted alone, just like John Wilkes Booth. Charles Julius Guiteau - now there was a conspiracy, the bullet wounds were just a pretext to get Garfield into the hands of doctors, who even then were conspiring to create a massively profitable private health care system, so they could infect the wound and kill him eleven(!) weeks later. Obvious really.

By: empath

empath — Wed, 01 Jul 2009 12:09:42 -0800

The very nature of the tenets of Dischordianism render this impossible. It's right there in the Pentabarf: V - A Discordian is Prohibited of Believing what he reads.