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	<title>Comments on: Detroit schools urban exploration &amp; reclamation.</title>
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		<title>Detroit schools urban exploration &amp; reclamation.</title>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urban_exploration&quot;&gt;Urban exploration &lt;/a&gt;has been featured here &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.metafilter.com/tags/urbanexploration&quot;&gt;once &lt;/a&gt;or &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.metafilter.com/tags/abandoned&quot;&gt;twice &lt;/a&gt;before, but&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.jamesgriffioen.net/&quot;&gt; Jim Griffioen&apos;s site&lt;/a&gt; photo-documenting his discoveries in and around Detroit deserves a look.  
&lt;a href=&quot;http://thestory.org/archive/the_story_753_Detroit_Blogger.mp3/view&quot;&gt;
Griffioen was recently interviewed&lt;/a&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;small&gt; [&lt;a href=&quot;http://thestory.org/archive/the_story_753_Detroit_Blogger.mp3&quot;&gt;direct mp3 link&lt;/a&gt;] &lt;/small&gt;&lt;/small&gt;on the American Public Media radio program &lt;a href=&quot;http://thestory.org/&quot;&gt;The Story&lt;/a&gt;. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;em&gt;Jim is &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.jamesgriffioen.net/index.php?/depository/the-story/&quot;&gt;most interested&lt;/a&gt; in &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sweet-juniper.com/2008/10/open-campus.html&quot;&gt;schools&lt;/a&gt;. He&apos;s taken photos of &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.jamesgriffioen.net/index.php?/projects/the-tree/&quot;&gt;trees &lt;/a&gt;growing through books and &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.jamesgriffioen.net/files/gimgs/31_321342372241970032eco.jpg&quot;&gt;other &lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.jamesgriffioen.net/files/gimgs/31_33008715703fa8d867d8o.jpg&quot;&gt;things &lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.jamesgriffioen.net/files/gimgs/18_2344921206ac854e792eb.jpg&quot;&gt;left &lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.jamesgriffioen.net/files/gimgs/31_3054692746fa6d532c11b.jpg&quot;&gt;behind&lt;/a&gt;. Recently Jim has gone beyond documenting what he sees and is reclaiming what he finds. He collects &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.jamesgriffioen.net/files/gimgs/31_3293059645f0f5229693o.jpg&quot;&gt;abandoned library books&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.jamesgriffioen.net/files/gimgs/18_23734065032bbc81b2fcb.jpg&quot;&gt;other &lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.jamesgriffioen.net/files/gimgs/31_dsc8259.jpg&quot;&gt;school&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.flickr.com/photos/sweetjuniper/2963064400/in/photostream/&quot;&gt;supplies &lt;/a&gt;and gives them to community centers.&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;small&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.metafilter.com/79271/Where-the-Wild-Things-Arent&quot;&gt;Previously &lt;/a&gt;- blog post by Griffioen on Detroit&apos;s abandoned Belle Isle Zoo&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/small&gt;</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2009 03:49:39 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: krilli</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/83572/Detroit-schools-urban-exploration-and-reclamation#2667719</link>	
		<description>I haven&apos;t taken my hat off to anything for so long that it has become covered with vine and moss. It is coming off for mr. Griffioen.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2009 06:01:49 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Mblue</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/83572/Detroit-schools-urban-exploration-and-reclamation#2667728</link>	
		<description>More set than given re: 
http://www.jamesgriffioen.net/index.php?/photography/vacant-schools/

There is an artistic planned flair.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2009 06:47:20 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Go Banana</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/83572/Detroit-schools-urban-exploration-and-reclamation#2667738</link>	
		<description>The book depository pics and story are something else.  Great post--thank you!</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2009 07:04:23 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: jeanmari</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/83572/Detroit-schools-urban-exploration-and-reclamation#2667748</link>	
		<description>I just want to point out that the unPhotoshopped, authentic, assymmetry in these photos is BREATHTAKING!</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2009 07:18:45 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: hecho de la basura</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/83572/Detroit-schools-urban-exploration-and-reclamation#2667754</link>	
		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.metafilter.com/68412/Detroit-Public-Schools-Book-Depository&quot;&gt;We&apos;ve seen these before.&lt;/a&gt; The link is his Flickr, but they are by the same photographer.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2009 07:33:58 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: oddman</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/83572/Detroit-schools-urban-exploration-and-reclamation#2667756</link>	
		<description>Have we had enough Detroit posts that we need to christen a &quot;detroitfilter&quot; tag?
The pictures are great, even beautiful. The story is sad and touching, but aren&apos;t we reaching a point of over saturation here?</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2009 07:37:25 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: tommasz</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/83572/Detroit-schools-urban-exploration-and-reclamation#2667760</link>	
		<description>Either I&apos;ve seen these exact photos before or there have been so many Detroit decay posts that it doesn&apos;t matter. Anyway, most of these would be called snapshots (single building, in center of frame) if it wasn&apos;t Detroit and he didn&apos;t have a web site.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2009 07:47:55 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: item</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/83572/Detroit-schools-urban-exploration-and-reclamation#2667762</link>	
		<description>&lt;em&gt;&lt;small&gt;We&apos;ve seen these before. &lt;/small&gt;&lt;/em&gt;

Guess so.  Have you seen the radio interview on Mefi before, though?  It&apos;s really quite good &amp;amp; it&apos;s nice to have his website handy while listening.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2009 07:50:06 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: seawallrunner</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/83572/Detroit-schools-urban-exploration-and-reclamation#2667785</link>	
		<description>thank you for posting these Item. I saw one or two of the photographs of Detroit, but it&apos;s good to see his works in one place, and I look forward to listening to the interview.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2009 08:32:57 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: longsleeves</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/83572/Detroit-schools-urban-exploration-and-reclamation#2667818</link>	
		<description>Here&apos;s a link  to a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sweet-juniper.com/2008/04/knowledge-of-what-happened-and-what.html&quot;&gt;blog update by the photographer&lt;/a&gt; with background on what led to the depository&apos;s abandonment. (a fire, an insurance company&apos;s shortsightedness, etc.)</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2009 09:22:09 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: BigSky</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/83572/Detroit-schools-urban-exploration-and-reclamation#2667894</link>	
		<description>When his prose isn&apos;t as purple as the mountain&apos;s majesty, it&apos;s deceptive:

&lt;em&gt;The scrappers must have headed off for their miles-long shopping-cart journeys to the nearest after-hours scrapyard (where &lt;strong&gt;they will get a fraction of the market value&lt;/strong&gt; for the metal they&apos;ve stolen).&lt;/em&gt;

The scrappers do not get a fraction of the market value (as if there was one true price), they get a fraction of the spot price.  There&apos;s a reason for that.  It takes work to recycle the metal.  The metal will almost certainly be sold again to a smelter.  Everyone involved has to get paid for their work and all that pay (not to mention the expenses) is included in the spot price.

&lt;em&gt;the segregated classes of solidly-middle-class white kids who over time gave way to segregated classes of poor black kids&lt;/em&gt;

One &quot;segregated group&quot; slowly gives way to another &quot;segregated group&quot;.  That&apos;s a neat trick.  Reminds me of the time when a girl claimed that boys have premarital (heterosexual) sex, but girls don&apos;t.

&lt;em&gt;When I showed these photos to my wife she asked, &quot;Don&apos;t you wonder if any of the scrappers live by some sort of code---that some of them wouldn&apos;t scrap a school, or take playground equipment out of the ground?&quot;

She has never been inside any of these buildings. &lt;strong&gt;Anyone who has seen the inside of such a building knows that these are men without honor.&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/em&gt;

They may be breaking the law, but no one is getting hurt by it, and they are performing a valuable service - providing resources to consumers.  These men work for a living; calling them &quot;men without honor&quot; is pretty fucking condescending.

&lt;em&gt;He likely owns all these properties simply to maintain his monopoly.&lt;/em&gt;

Mr. Mouron does not have a monopoly.  He owns &lt;strong&gt;a&lt;/strong&gt; border crossing, if it was a monopoly there would be no other.  I suspect that Mr. Griffioen does actually get this subtle distinction, and chose to call it a monopoly in an attempt to increase the affect.  That same melodramatic eye is evident in some of his photography, especially &apos;The Treeeeee&apos;.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2009 10:46:32 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: delmoi</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/83572/Detroit-schools-urban-exploration-and-reclamation#2667945</link>	
		<description>&lt;i&gt;One &quot;segregated group&quot; slowly gives way to another &quot;segregated group&quot;. That&apos;s a neat trick. Reminds me of the time when a girl claimed that boys have premarital (heterosexual) sex, but girls don&apos;t.&lt;/i&gt;

It works if they guys are all sleeping with MILFs.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2009 11:45:11 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: pracowity</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/83572/Detroit-schools-urban-exploration-and-reclamation#2668070</link>	
		<description>&lt;em&gt;Reminds me of the time when a girl claimed that boys have premarital (heterosexual) sex, but girls don&apos;t.&lt;/em&gt;

It&apos;s not impossible. If lots of men try it with just a few busy women (including, of course, whores), you might say that men generally do it and women generally don&apos;t. 

Anyway, the photos would be a lot better if they were better documented, linked to better information. Maybe he could wiki things up and let others add what&apos;s missing.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2009 14:04:44 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: 256</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/83572/Detroit-schools-urban-exploration-and-reclamation#2668862</link>	
		<description>i&apos;m no professional photographer like this guy, but it really is amazing what you can find in detroit. i took a little motorcycle trip there a few years ago. &lt;a href=&quot;http://256k.org/duff/detroit/&quot;&gt;Fischer Body Plant&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2009 14:34:43 -0800</pubDate>
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