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The 7 Vices Of the Very Small And Homogenious Social Class To Which I Am A Member doesn't have the zing now does it?
posted by The Whelk at 1:32 PM on August 5, 2009 [12 favorites]


Vice eight: Wood paneled studies.
Vice nine: Smoking jackets.
posted by Artw at 1:36 PM on August 5, 2009 [2 favorites]


Aren't those seven vices in the first link also the vices of a lot of uncreative people? I'd think really, really creative people would have really interesting vices like octopus baiting or picking fights with bears.
posted by dortmunder at 1:37 PM on August 5, 2009 [18 favorites]


My god, that is bad advice.
posted by KokuRyu at 1:39 PM on August 5, 2009


Wouldn't all the ales at a brew-pub be a house ale?
posted by robocop is bleeding at 1:44 PM on August 5, 2009


Vice ten: Cravats.
posted by Artw at 1:45 PM on August 5, 2009 [2 favorites]


Traits that correlate with creativity don't necessarily enable it. One wonders if the author would have had more creative success had he spent more time in front of the blank page rather than engaging in these vices in an attempt to awaken the muse.
posted by sid at 1:45 PM on August 5, 2009


Vice eleven: Lists of things only you think are vitally important.
posted by Help, I can't stop talking! at 1:46 PM on August 5, 2009 [4 favorites]


Vice eleven: Cigarette holders!
posted by Mister_A at 1:46 PM on August 5, 2009 [1 favorite]


Fart.
posted by Mister_A at 1:46 PM on August 5, 2009 [1 favorite]


Vice 11: Painfully tortured vacuous opinion essays.
posted by The Whelk at 1:47 PM on August 5, 2009 [7 favorites]


Vice 12: Vice magazine!
posted by Artw at 1:47 PM on August 5, 2009 [1 favorite]


Vice 13: recall and confirmation bias.
posted by a robot made out of meat at 1:49 PM on August 5, 2009 [7 favorites]


Vice Eleven: No, my deadline is next Wednesday. Are you sure? Tomorrow? You're shitting me.
posted by martens at 1:50 PM on August 5, 2009 [6 favorites]


Vice 14: Ska Music
posted by hellojed at 1:51 PM on August 5, 2009 [2 favorites]


Vice 15
posted by Artw at 1:52 PM on August 5, 2009 [1 favorite]


Vice 16: romanticizing the creative process
posted by pokermonk at 1:54 PM on August 5, 2009 [11 favorites]


THERE IS NO VICE SEVENTEEN
posted by The Whelk at 1:55 PM on August 5, 2009 [2 favorites]


Vice 18: Fedoras!
posted by Evangeline at 1:56 PM on August 5, 2009 [5 favorites]


I certainly enjoy drinking.
posted by everichon at 1:58 PM on August 5, 2009


Vice 19: Putting your dick in the mashed potatoes
posted by Mister_A at 1:59 PM on August 5, 2009 [14 favorites]


Vice 20: One of the Vice 11s.
posted by Artw at 1:59 PM on August 5, 2009 [2 favorites]


Vice 19: Sneezing as a kind of lame but publicly acceptable petit mort.
posted by everichon at 2:00 PM on August 5, 2009 [5 favorites]


Doh.
posted by everichon at 2:00 PM on August 5, 2009


The Seven Vices of Highly Creative People.
posted by Tomorrowful at 2:00 PM on August 5, 2009 [3 favorites]


Vice 19: see vice 11.
posted by WPW at 2:00 PM on August 5, 2009


Listing as vices drinking, smoking and gambling isn't really all that creative - however, I like it.
posted by Samuel Farrow at 2:01 PM on August 5, 2009


Vice 21: "oiling up" before a night out.
posted by Greg Nog at 2:01 PM on August 5, 2009 [1 favorite]


Vice 19.1: not using preview.

Vice 19.2: Vice 19.
posted by WPW at 2:01 PM on August 5, 2009


Some of the Covey stuff they're mocking is actually probably better advice for many creatives than the Salon list.

(In general, Coveyish culture invites and deserves mocking, but a lot of it is actually good common sense advice. IMHO the problem with it occurs on a cultural level, especially inside businesses, where you often end up with a more theatrical application in which the phrases and trappings are employed as part of a big cargo-cult ritual to Effectiveness, rather than with individuals genuinely trying to refine how they manage themselves and their work.)
posted by weston at 2:02 PM on August 5, 2009 [8 favorites]


I am highly discouraged that I have none of those vices (although a couple credit card issuers may disagree on #7, most of my debt-related problems I can blame my Ex for, as well as my disinterest in vice #6). That makes me totally uncreative, right?

But I can play this game:

Vice 22: Caffeine (delivered by brand name products with a certain cachet: Starbucks, Red Bull, etc.)

Vice 23: Unmatched Socks

Vice 24: Suicidal Thoughts

Vice 25: Going out with unclean underwear.

Vice 26: A deep spirituality in which your version of God bears little resemblance to anyone else's.
posted by wendell at 2:03 PM on August 5, 2009 [1 favorite]


Metafilter: Vice 27
posted by pokermonk at 2:04 PM on August 5, 2009 [1 favorite]


Vice 27: The inability to constrain laughter when dealing with uncreative people with authority over you.
posted by wendell at 2:04 PM on August 5, 2009 [2 favorites]


Vice 27: Not reading articles/ books about what makes you creative
posted by litleozy at 2:05 PM on August 5, 2009


Funny how "actually having something to say" doesn't figure in anywhere.
posted by Afroblanco at 2:05 PM on August 5, 2009 [2 favorites]


Vice 28: Naps
posted by festivemanb at 2:05 PM on August 5, 2009


Vice 29: Twitter.
posted by greekphilosophy at 2:05 PM on August 5, 2009 [2 favorites]


Funny how "actually having something to say" doesn't figure in anywhere.

Relevance is very UNcreative.
posted by wendell at 2:06 PM on August 5, 2009


Vice 28 House Plants
posted by fearfulsymmetry at 2:07 PM on August 5, 2009


Vice 33: Skipping several other vices so that you can have a cool number for your preferred vices.
posted by Mister_A at 2:08 PM on August 5, 2009


Vice 11: Not exactly caring about this whole 'counting' thing because, like, it's just too restrictive, man.
posted by festivemanb at 2:09 PM on August 5, 2009


Vice 1.1: Elizabeth Gilbert
posted by hellboundforcheddar at 2:11 PM on August 5, 2009


Wow; both of these articles strike me as really, really wrong. The "vices" piece, which is actually stupid, seems to mistake being a dandy and tweaking bourgeois values for, you know, creating stuff. The Gilbert piece, which is not at all stupid, only wrong, suggests correctly that works of genius shouldn't be attributed solely to the personal qualities or hard work of their creators -- but then veers off the track in suggesting that we ought to assign credit to the flitting god-force instead. The notion she is looking for, I think, is "luck."
posted by escabeche at 2:12 PM on August 5, 2009


Vice 34: Rule 34
posted by darkstar at 2:12 PM on August 5, 2009 [8 favorites]


Vice 11: An exciting new future thriller exploring the seedy underbelly of New Mars.
posted by Artw at 2:12 PM on August 5, 2009 [1 favorite]


Elizabeth Gilbert on How We Kill Geniuses

Is she the one with the wooden leg?
If she is, then I'd like to imagine that she kills geniuses by beating them over the head with her wooden leg.
posted by sour cream at 2:13 PM on August 5, 2009 [7 favorites]


Vice 69: SPARTA!!!
posted by The Whelk at 2:14 PM on August 5, 2009 [1 favorite]


From fearfulsymmetry's link:

"Time and again, the researchers discovered that the addition of the pot plant enhanced people’s creativity."


I don't doubt it.
posted by darkstar at 2:15 PM on August 5, 2009


Vice 2039: Miami Vice with Cyborgs
posted by darkstar at 2:17 PM on August 5, 2009 [2 favorites]


Vice 42: Douglas Adams books.
posted by delmoi at 2:17 PM on August 5, 2009


Vice 666: Ẑ̢̙̩̝̭̳̬̽ͦ̔͞ȧ̶͎̝̝̥̣͍ͤĺ̴̸̜̑ͣͪ̓̋̉̉g͒̋ͪ͒҉̢̥̯͖ͅö́̊ͪ
posted by everichon at 2:18 PM on August 5, 2009 [12 favorites]


Vice 4096: Binary arithmetic.
posted by delmoi at 2:18 PM on August 5, 2009 [1 favorite]


dortmunder: D.A. Blyler clearly wants to mislead those who, like him, are mediocre, but who might achieve greatness anyway. He's reached the same conclusion you have, but he's writing this article in the hopes that he can dissuade his likely foes from success by urging them on toward debt, marital woe, alcoholism, obesity, cancer and certain death.

Those who are truly creative (you know who you are) have much stranger vices, and certainly stranger than the seventy thousand listed here in this thread.

Vice 70,001: Too weird to write about. So weird that no one's even thought to write laws against it.
posted by brina at 2:19 PM on August 5, 2009


Vice 1776: Liberty or death!
posted by delmoi at 2:19 PM on August 5, 2009 [1 favorite]


Vice 3.141592: Math humor.
posted by delmoi at 2:20 PM on August 5, 2009 [5 favorites]


Vice 29: Twitter.

Vice of Highly Annoying People Who Only Think They're Creative #1: Twitter
posted by wendell at 2:20 PM on August 5, 2009 [1 favorite]


Vice 83877: Vampire stories about teenage lust.
posted by Mister_A at 2:21 PM on August 5, 2009 [1 favorite]


Vice #1 is dividing the world into creative and uncreative people.

After that the other vices just don't matter because you are an asshole.
posted by srboisvert at 2:22 PM on August 5, 2009 [20 favorites]


The first link felt an awful lot like "7 bad habits that I enjoy and feel the need to defend". I'm not saying I completely disagree with them, but it strikes me as a fast way to distance one's self from being a fashion obsessed, sex fiend with a gambling problem who reeks of smoke; "I'm not drunk and in debt, I'm creative!"
posted by quin at 2:25 PM on August 5, 2009 [1 favorite]


Vice 90210: Thinking you are suffering because of some teenage angst, when in fact you are in the 99.9999th percentile of quality of life of all people, anywhere in the world, throughout history.
posted by darkstar at 2:25 PM on August 5, 2009


Vice eleven: Over-use of hy-phens in an attempt to appear olde-timey on the inter-net.
posted by Mister_A at 2:27 PM on August 5, 2009 [1 favorite]


Vice Elven: All the fucking songs that slow the action right down.
posted by Artw at 2:28 PM on August 5, 2009


Vice #1 is dividing the world into creative and uncreative people.
After that the other vices just don't matter because you are an asshole.


Normally, I would be satisfied with merely favorite-ing a comment, but since I can only favorite it once and that seems insufficient, I would like to applaud you, srboisvert.
posted by sarabeth at 2:28 PM on August 5, 2009


Between Elizabeth "Eat Pray Love" Gilbert and some other woman with the wacky idea that humans evolved from "aquatic apes" I'm starting to lose respect for this much-ballyhooed "TED Conference."
posted by dnash at 2:29 PM on August 5, 2009 [3 favorites]


My vices:

1. Naked hiking

2. Hiding in your closet, watching you sleep
posted by little e at 2:30 PM on August 5, 2009 [2 favorites]


But aquatic bonobo chimps are the only monkeys that that lez it up for fun!
posted by Artw at 2:30 PM on August 5, 2009




No, two of my cats are dykes.
posted by Mister_A at 2:34 PM on August 5, 2009


Vice Vidi Veni.
posted by twoleftfeet at 2:35 PM on August 5, 2009 [4 favorites]


Vice City
posted by fearfulsymmetry at 2:41 PM on August 5, 2009


Have Elizabeth Gilbert and Elizabeth Wurtzel ever hung out together? I would kind of like to see that.
posted by Metroid Baby at 2:50 PM on August 5, 2009


I like that Gilbert speaks so respectfully of the pre-Enlightenment notion of creativity being driven by forces/beings separate from the person doing the creating. Anything creative I accomplish is certainly a collaboration at best with some mysterious spirit or muse that arrives when and if it pleases (a tight deadline can sometimes compel it to materialize though). This understanding also mitigates the awful whirlpool of credit/pride and guilt/blame considerably for me.

That Salon piece did make we want a cigarette real bad!
posted by squalor at 2:56 PM on August 5, 2009 [1 favorite]


Vice 37: "Going diarrhea" in the shower.
posted by jefbla at 3:03 PM on August 5, 2009


Vice 37: 37 times!
posted by wendell at 3:03 PM on August 5, 2009


Vice, schmice.

Favorited this post without reading any of the linked articles.
Epic thread.
posted by yiftach at 3:05 PM on August 5, 2009


Vices 38 and 39: lobsters and lightly soiled lederhosen.
posted by DevilsAdvocate at 3:16 PM on August 5, 2009 [1 favorite]


Vice -32767: Not catching integer overflow
posted by 7segment at 3:27 PM on August 5, 2009 [5 favorites]


Vice #1 of uncreative people: Thinking "Eat Pray Love" is literature.
posted by cjets at 3:32 PM on August 5, 2009 [2 favorites]


Vice one, getting realistic - Indolence
posted by IndigoJones at 3:33 PM on August 5, 2009


So, cigarettes are living proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy?
posted by Smedleyman at 3:39 PM on August 5, 2009


Vice 70,001: Too weird to write about. So weird that no one's even thought to write laws against it.

I remember when there were pills that fit this category. The Feds ruin everything eventually.
posted by dortmunder at 3:43 PM on August 5, 2009


Vice 40: Middle age.
posted by plexi at 3:46 PM on August 5, 2009


Vice 400AD-1500AD: Middle ages.
posted by Artw at 3:47 PM on August 5, 2009 [2 favorites]


Vice 40W-60W-100W: Non-dimmable CFLs
posted by darkstar at 3:54 PM on August 5, 2009 [1 favorite]


Vice one, getting realistic - Indolence

Hmm, yeah. I like drinking and indolence.

* amends agenda *
posted by everichon at 3:57 PM on August 5, 2009


Vice WD40: Inhalants
posted by ElmerFishpaw at 3:59 PM on August 5, 2009 [4 favorites]


Vice 1984-1989: Miami
posted by Artw at 4:02 PM on August 5, 2009 [3 favorites]




Vice 41: No poofters.
posted by Evilspork at 4:16 PM on August 5, 2009


Vice 10w-40: Using only API SH-rated motor oil.

Vice-A-Roni: You know how them San Franciscans are...

Veni-Vidi-Vice: I came, I saw, I got creative.
posted by Greg_Ace at 4:29 PM on August 5, 2009


Vice 30: NSFW/NSFA

One day I was watching broadcast television and Casino came on. Clearly I missed quite a bit.
posted by delmoi at 4:45 PM on August 5, 2009


Vice 314: Enjoying pi a little too much
posted by drezdn at 5:30 PM on August 5, 2009


I know I'm late to the party, but I was sort of interested in the article right until the moment he got to the first one and it was "be a drinker." What tired bullshit.
posted by Bookhouse at 5:43 PM on August 5, 2009 [1 favorite]


Vice 3001: SEX WITH ROBOTS!
posted by The Whelk at 5:57 PM on August 5, 2009 [1 favorite]


Vye scream, voo scream, vee all scream vor vice cream.
posted by jefbla at 6:29 PM on August 5, 2009 [1 favorite]


Vice 42: Revealing the answer to the meaning of life in a novel pageturningly entertaining enough to give non-geniuses the idea they've got it all figured out.
posted by gompa at 7:12 PM on August 5, 2009


Your vices should be cherished along with your virtues. If you are amusing or entertaining, clever or creative, fun to be around, others will forgive you them. But if you are a gawping dolt or an addict or just boring, others will come down on you and your vices like the hammer of Vulcan. And rightly so. Nobody wants to spend time with a dim-witted drunken chain-smoking fashion victim nattering away about their gambling debts in words of one syllable. If you're not clever, be funny. If you can't be funny, have fun.

So, kids, the takeaway lesson is: be someone first, indulge yourself later. You don't need to be a genius, but you do need to be genial. Because once those vices start get a foothold, you can't go back.
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 7:22 PM on August 5, 2009 [2 favorites]


Vice 23: Cooperating Fnord with Fnord Illuminati Fnord Agents.
posted by Hactar at 9:16 PM on August 5, 2009 [1 favorite]


Vice 83878
posted by liza at 9:21 PM on August 5, 2009


Olé!
posted by humannaire at 9:26 PM on August 5, 2009


I just spotted a new 43 Folders post, which is entertaining timing because it reads like Mefi's own Merlin Mann is calling out the "creative habits" as being not only utter bullshit, but counterproductive, actually harmful bullshit.
posted by Pronoiac at 10:30 PM on August 5, 2009 [3 favorites]


Vice 0 : Having such an easy time of things in your youth and getting so much recognition for your talents that as you grow older you think everything that "normal" people experience doesn't apply to you, so you shirk your own development, and you become like an overgrown child who's just so awesome that the world has to put up with your bullshit, but the childishness gnaws at you from the inside over years and years as you slowly realize the limits of your ability that you've bet your entire life upon, until you collapse in a pile of paralyzed insecurity, drugs, mediocre output, and broken relationships.
posted by fleacircus at 11:10 PM on August 5, 2009 [3 favorites]


AN UNNUMBERED Vice: I might take of my pants now...
posted by emperor.seamus at 12:14 AM on August 6, 2009


"Everything I like is illegal, immoral, or fattening." -- W. C. Fields (creative person).
posted by RichardS at 5:08 AM on August 6, 2009


Vice Vice Baby
posted by fearfulsymmetry at 5:32 AM on August 6, 2009


Great article. If I read it 10 years ago (and lived by it), I'd be dead now. But it would have been a great life!
posted by mnb64 at 9:59 AM on August 6, 2009


Vice beige: Belgium.
posted by Cantdosleepy at 7:01 AM on August 7, 2009


Craftsman bench vise.
posted by fixedgear at 12:30 PM on August 7, 2009


Some people seem to mistake those vices as symptoms of creativity. Yet you can be uncreative and still have similar vices and be creative with not many vices. Perhaps differences in the way those symptoms manifest may say something about creativity. They certainly aren't needed and focusing on them as if creativity is some kind of fashionable life-style probably won't help you be more creative or understand what it is.
posted by Soupisgoodfood at 4:09 AM on August 9, 2009


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