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February 24, 2010 6:49 PM   Subscribe

The kids are calling it Two teachers one chair (SLYT). The news says that simulating a lap dance during a high school prep rally is going a little too far. What does in loco parentis mean these days? What's a teacher gotta do to be good these days?
posted by kneecapped (66 comments total) 2 users marked this as a favorite

 
Wow, I don't miss high school at all.

Warning: Not safe for ears. Contains teen-aged shrieking and screaming.
posted by loquacious at 6:57 PM on February 24, 2010


That's not simulating a lap dance. That's a lap dance.
posted by DU at 7:01 PM on February 24, 2010 [6 favorites]


Mark it zero Donny!
posted by OHenryPacey at 7:02 PM on February 24, 2010 [2 favorites]


Oh, what a bunch of lame prudes.
posted by kittens for breakfast at 7:04 PM on February 24, 2010 [1 favorite]


Oh good, I'm glad this was framed this way. As a teacher I can confirm that "in loco parentis" does indeed mean that we are all irresponsible shmucks with no sense of appropriate boundaries.

so many HAMBURGERS Wimpy would drool.
posted by mdaugherty82 at 7:04 PM on February 24, 2010 [1 favorite]


I AM OUTRAGED ON THE INTERNET
posted by regicide is good for you at 7:04 PM on February 24, 2010 [7 favorites]


I love the the poor students are calling it "Two teachers one chair"
Just the fact they know this is a funny title, and why, means they are beyond being shocked or damaged by this silly display.
posted by cccorlew at 7:05 PM on February 24, 2010 [45 favorites]


Canadian kids can use cell phones in school?
posted by R. Mutt at 7:06 PM on February 24, 2010


You couldn't pay me enough.
posted by cjorgensen at 7:06 PM on February 24, 2010


In my day, having your principal drink soda from his shoe was outrageous and wild. I still don't know why he did that, but some kids thought it was crazy egdy, or something like that.
posted by filthy light thief at 7:06 PM on February 24, 2010 [3 favorites]


If someone with the DTs was running from the Cloverfield monster, it would look like Steadycam footage compared to that video. Apparently that lapdance was so good it made the earth shake for both of them.

/I'mhereallweektrytheveal
posted by Horace Rumpole at 7:08 PM on February 24, 2010 [2 favorites]


Just the fact they know this is a funny title, and why, means they are beyond being shocked or damaged by this silly display.

Without taking sides, I'd like to note that I get the title without having seen the referenced video.
posted by DU at 7:08 PM on February 24, 2010


Video of someone drinking soda from their shoe would bother me way more than that. Although the noise and epileptic image composition did make me feel ill.
posted by Babblesort at 7:09 PM on February 24, 2010


mdaugherty82, i'll gladly pay you tuesday for a HAMBURGER today.
posted by The Esteemed Doctor Bunsen Honeydew at 7:15 PM on February 24, 2010 [1 favorite]


It does seem a little far. But, I mean, they have music videos in Canada, right?
posted by grobstein at 7:16 PM on February 24, 2010 [1 favorite]


If the kids are making titular allusions to a coprophagia clip, witnessing a fully clothed gendered-reversed lapdance probably isn't going to scar them for life.
posted by CKmtl at 7:17 PM on February 24, 2010 [5 favorites]


Many people, however, said the teachers do not deserve to be fired.

"The teachers acted strangely and should certainly get a sit-down with ... management. But seriously, have any of you people watched a Beyonce or Lady Gaga video lately?" read one of the most-approved comments on a national news agency's web site.


Man On the Street? You're fired. We replaced you with Most-Approved Comment On a National News Agency's Web Site.

BEHOLD THE POWER OF FAVORITES.
posted by brain_drain at 7:21 PM on February 24, 2010 [23 favorites]


About in loco parentis. I know nothing about it (I live in a civil law jurisdiction). The Wikipedia page mostly talks about the US. Given that the High School is in Manitoba, Canada, does anyone know how in loco parentis goes re: schools in Manitoba?
posted by Monday, stony Monday at 7:24 PM on February 24, 2010


"I mean half these kids are heading out on the weekend and doing exactly that in the basement."

HELL YEAH!
posted by graventy at 7:28 PM on February 24, 2010


But, I mean, they have music videos in Canada, right?

No. What are they?

*googles*

Holy shit! There's tonnes of these things!
posted by You Should See the Other Guy at 7:28 PM on February 24, 2010 [12 favorites]


But, I mean, they have music videos in Canada, right?

Is Ed the Sock still around? After MuchMusic became Fuse, I've not seen Ed unless I'm in Canada. But it has been a few years.
posted by birdherder at 7:31 PM on February 24, 2010 [1 favorite]


This really isn't hard at all. (Though, from the looks of it, something may be hard.)

1. The fact that students are aware of a practice -- they reacted as though they knew about lap dances -- doesn't mean that it's okay for teachers to do it. It's old fashioned, and maybe prudish, but there's something to be said for role models.

2. The fact that the video's poster called it "Two Teachers One Chair" not only doesn't mean that they saw the original video, but doesn't say anything about whether the whole student body was already so jaded that they'd see this as old news. (Nor did they react that way.) I'm not even clear that the poster was one of the HS students.

3. The fact that the teachers did something wrong and should apologize, or have their conduct noted and talked about by the principal, doesn't mean that the school board should lurch into action and fire people and get all sanctimonious and shit.
posted by Clyde Mnestra at 7:32 PM on February 24, 2010 [2 favorites]


If the kids are making titular allusions to a coprophagia clip...

Am I the only one who finds the word "coprophagia" almost as disgusting as the video itself1? Especially near the word "titular"...

Anyway, the article makes it sound a lot more erotic than the video itself. But I've always had a problem with boundaries too. (I was going to say "that's why I'm not a high school teacher", but that sounds a bit more "pedo" than I meant it.)

I'm also curious if the whole thing would have been so outrageous to people if the teachers involved hadn't been so attractive... like people would have seen it as "just a joke" if they'd looked more "like teachers."2

1(Okay, the idea of the video; I've never had the stomach to really watch it.)

2Actually now that I typed it out, I realize I'm not curious. I know the answer is "probably, yes, but it doesn't really matter. Because they probably wouldn't have done it if they didn't have that same social currency to spend."
posted by MCMikeNamara at 7:40 PM on February 24, 2010


The reaction of my wife the teacher was that no schoolin's gonna get done for the rest of the week because the kids will be totally distracted by the event--chatting about it constantly, asking teachers when they're going to lapdance, imitating it in the halls, etc. For that reason alone, every other teacher in the gym who saw it was most likely thinking "oh god no please tell me they're not doing what I think they're doing..."
posted by fatbird at 7:43 PM on February 24, 2010 [2 favorites]


[Open pedantic tag]It's pep rally.[close tag]

DU: "Just the fact they know this is a funny title, and why, means they are beyond being shocked or damaged by this silly display.

Without taking sides, I'd like to note that I get the title without having seen the referenced video.
"

That's the thing, DU: You don't HAVE to have seen the video; I get it too, and I haven't seen the video either, I've only seen a bunch of the reaction videos posted online. But you and I both know what the content of the original video IS, and just the thought of that is shocking enough. I think the same is probably true of at least some of the students in question. You get online for more than 10 minutes (and beyond AOL) in 2010, and you very quickly either begin to get inured to shocking ideas and images or you get so horrified that you run away.
posted by yiftach at 7:48 PM on February 24, 2010



Anyway, the article makes it sound a lot more erotic than the video itself.


STRONGLY AGREE. Color me disappointed.
posted by grobstein at 7:52 PM on February 24, 2010 [1 favorite]


I didn't watch, but.... given what I've read..

they should have fired these two and kept the Rhode Island teachers...
posted by HuronBob at 8:01 PM on February 24, 2010 [1 favorite]


I am a (young/hip/cool/whatever) high school teacher, and if I saw any two of my co-workers doing this at a school event I would probably leave the room.

Teachers are supposed to be at least a bit prudish, I'd say.
posted by davey_darling at 8:05 PM on February 24, 2010


About in loco parentis. I know nothing about it (I live in a civil law jurisdiction). The Wikipedia page mostly talks about the US. Given that the High School is in Manitoba, Canada, does anyone know how in loco parentis goes re: schools in Manitoba?
posted by Monday, stony Monday


Although it isn't an official, or legal, statement (I searched but I couldn't find one quickly), this brochure refers to in loco parentis as though it remains an important consideration in determining the nature of a teacher's work and role.
posted by kneecapped at 8:05 PM on February 24, 2010


This is not what the "SLYT" designation is for. Your post actually contains five links. Thank you, I feel much better now.
posted by Slarty Bartfast at 8:18 PM on February 24, 2010


Is this something I needed to go to high school to understand?
posted by nestor_makhno at 8:18 PM on February 24, 2010


This is not what the "SLYT" designation is for.
Oh. First post. The SLYT thing does make sense, when I think about it. Now that you mention it. I'll feel better in a bit. Thanks!
posted by kneecapped at 8:28 PM on February 24, 2010


Teachers are supposed to be at least a bit prudish, I'd say.

I totally agree. The teacher/student relationship does have some parent/child in it, and being a bit prudish supports that, in a good way. If teachers start behaving overtly sexually in school, we begin blurring boundaries in a troublesome way.

As many comment above, it's true, teenagers are doing all sorts of sexual things with each other. I might add, so are adults - but doesn't follow that they should do those things in front of each other.
posted by marlys at 8:29 PM on February 24, 2010 [1 favorite]


You know how things that used to be considered vulgar 20 years ago now seem tame by comparison? Yeah, I'm anticipating a "Fuck for Forest Hills High" fundraiser in 20 years.
posted by vapidave at 8:43 PM on February 24, 2010


OK, that video: wrong.

On a related note: the worst job I ever had as a teacher was "chaperoning" a ghetto high school dance. When I got there I was informed I was supposed to break up "dirty dancing."

So. A couple would simulate sex acts; a huge crowd would circle around them, and I was supposed to break through the circle and get them to stop doin' it.

It was one of the worst nights of my life. Definitely not what I had in mind when I signed up for a life of turning kids on to the joys of literature and the craft of writing.
posted by kozad at 8:43 PM on February 24, 2010 [3 favorites]


Maybe I'm just a curmudgeon at age 28, but I refuse to do anything embarrassing at a pep rally in any case. In some small way I think it helps establish the studnet/teacher dynamic - I'm here to do work, you're here to study and do work, but I understand you're a kid and still want to do silly things, so we're going to let you from time to time.

I am a (young/hip/cool/whatever) high school teacher, and if I saw any two of my co-workers doing this at a school event I would probably leave the room.

Teachers are supposed to be at least a bit prudish, I'd say.


100% agree.
posted by mdaugherty82 at 8:52 PM on February 24, 2010


Thank God my school never went in for any of that Pep rally nonsense.
posted by madajb at 9:08 PM on February 24, 2010


[Open pedantic tag]It's pep rally.[close tag] - yiftach

[Open oh shit tag] Oops. [close tag]. Yup. As the kids say ... "mabad!"

Maybe I'm just a curmudgeon ... What's happening in the teaching business is that we're forgetting that the nature of this business is to conserve the knowledge, intellectual traditions, and the skills needed to function in society, and to pass them along. Somehow we've decided that all of that stuff just doesn't work as well as "gettin' with the kids" and "doin' fun stuff". This situation just seems to be a more extreme illustration of a general trend in schools of all sorts. (I don't think that private prep schools are immune to it at all. They just hide it better. The kid with the cell phone would have been disapparated along with her device.)
posted by kneecapped at 9:33 PM on February 24, 2010


Protip: Don't make tag jokes if you don't actually know HTML.
posted by ryanrs at 9:55 PM on February 24, 2010 [5 favorites]


Hey, I can see my house from this FPP!

*Waves to MetaFilter*
posted by Alvy Ampersand at 10:34 PM on February 24, 2010


could not finish watching on account of the douche-chills.
posted by empath at 11:16 PM on February 24, 2010


I didn't watch, but.... given what I've read..

they should have fired these two and kept the Rhode Island teachers...


what
posted by threetoed at 12:18 AM on February 25, 2010


I've never heard the expression 'pep rally' used in Canada, it's always been 'spirit assembly' or the like.
posted by stinkycheese at 1:47 AM on February 25, 2010 [1 favorite]


"I mean half these kids are heading out on the weekend and doing exactly that in the basement."

No they're not. And if you think they are then you need to turn off the TV and meet some real teenagers.

The last thing girls and boys that age need is more re-enforcement of the idea that sex is something either a) gross or b) commercial. These teachers should be fired for stupidity, if not for piss poor lap dancing.
posted by fshgrl at 1:53 AM on February 25, 2010 [2 favorites]




"they should have fired these two and kept the Rhode Island teachers..."

"what"


google is your friend, so is reading the news....
posted by HuronBob at 4:33 AM on February 25, 2010


Heck, the dirty dancing thing goes on in elite suburban private middle schools, let alone "ghetto high school," (jeez). But I expect kids not to have their frontal lobes fully developed, so I'm not horrified, I just step in as a chaperone and stop it.

Boundaries are handy, and we expect teachers to have some concept of how to maintain them, just because modeling (imitating the behavior of others) is a powerful teaching tool. Kids don't imitate their teachers at the time, not that much, but catch them ten years later and you'll find a different story.
posted by Peach at 4:49 AM on February 25, 2010


Ha, they're probably making porn after work anyway.

Grownups these days. Can't take 'em anywhere.
posted by fourcheesemac at 5:07 AM on February 25, 2010


there's something to be said for role models

Which is why I'd really like if teachers were allowed to act more human in front of their students. Blow off some steam. What's wrong with one human being giving another human being a lap dance? Nothing is what. So culture should stop pretending that faking a lap dance or faking oral is going to corrupt a generation of kids.

I was a prude in school, relatively speaking. I got naked with girls and all, but in a somehow quieter, more timid way than some of my peers. I also completely disbelieved the stories of kids my age having sex, being kinky, doing drugs, partying, etc., simply because my position toward all that stuff was I'd do it the instant I saw it going on; I assumed other kids were the same way, and that, like me, they'd never seen it from anybody, so that we were all quiet and timid together.

Teachers aren't the bad influences in school. Older relatives and friends are the ones introducing kids to naughty concepts. It creates a strange set-up wherein people with somebody to learn from knew everything, and people who had nobody like that knew close to nothing. I'm not surprised looking back that almost my entire group of nerdy types were either older brothers or single children, or that nearly all of the cooler, wilder kids had older siblings. You've got to learn somewhere if school's not saying anything, right?

Part of growing up and not knowing any of how that goes means that even now I approach a lot of that stuff more awkwardly than I'd like to. It doesn't come naturally I mean. All the hands-on flirtation, the "physical dialogue" — and I'm at a school with tons of theater people and physical dialogue is all they do — makes me a bit uncomfortable. I doubt I'll feel that way forever, but I can't help envying the guys who learned all that at a younger age.

So I guess what I'm saying is that I wish our role models were a bit more honest about things like this. I wish the system let them be looser, freer, more healthily sexual. Hell, I wish society in general would be more open about sex, because I hate that feeling in conversations where everybody wants something and nobody can discuss it.

Getting worked up over a lap dance, especially one that's been jokingly named after a video of women shitting in each other's mouths, is the exact wrong thing to do. Maybe some kids will be shocked — good! School is for learning things; I believe social things should be taught as well. Some kids in my school hated to learn the founding fathers were deists, or that our country wasn't the shining knight. They were still better off knowing.
posted by Rory Marinich at 5:10 AM on February 25, 2010


I've never heard the expression 'pep rally' used in Canada, it's always been 'spirit assembly' or the like.

Spirit Assembly makes it sound like the gym is haunted.

Or maybe it's a production line in Heaven. "And over here you'll see the Spirit Assembly."
posted by Fuzzy Monster at 5:40 AM on February 25, 2010 [4 favorites]


I went to a couple of HS pep rallies, because they were mandatory ("The beatings will continue", etc.). There was no lap dancing, but the whole thing was embarrassing, nonetheless. That was the year the very popular Art teacher was fired for giving coffee to a student. I don't miss High School.
posted by Kirth Gerson at 5:52 AM on February 25, 2010


As a teacher I despise when teachers act like this. Would any of you do this at any other job outside of stripping, oh you wouldn't? Then teaching must not be a real profession if in your pea sized brain this is acceptable behavior in front of the rest of your workmates during work! I have a neighbor teacher that's too cool for school and he's a menace. He gives out candy spends class periods telling dirty jokes and swapping getting high getting drunk stories with his kids. Teachers like these need a boot in the ass.
posted by ExitPursuedByBear at 6:36 AM on February 25, 2010 [1 favorite]


Rory says, responding to"there's something to be said for role models"

Which is why I'd really like if teachers were allowed to act more human in front of their students. Blow off some steam. What's wrong with one human being giving another human being a lap dance? Nothing is what. So culture should stop pretending that faking a lap dance or faking oral is going to corrupt a generation of kids.


Let's say that there's nothing distinctive about lap dances (putting aside, that is, its roots in strip clubs). Let's also assume that seeing the human dimension of teachers is positive (putting aside personal memories of seeing a Professor Kingsfield clone in a Speedo on the beach). Finally, let's assume that lots of kids are out of sync with their peers, and even think wistfully of those coming-of-age movies where the worldly uncle takes the awkward kid to get his schooling at a cathouse.

It doesn't follow that having teachers act in this highly sexualized fashion is a good idea. To be a role model, a teacher need not be publicly or even implicitly denatured. But part of what they're teaching is the capacity to act professionally, separating private and public behaviors; the need to stay on task, and mitigate behaviors that will distract students from learning; the need to adapt to diverse audiences, and to avoiding offending others with more delicate sensibilities; etc.

BTW, further sexualizing teachers might accentuate some inappropriate conduct b/w teachers and students. It could be that Mary Kay Letourneau would never have gone awry had she been allowed to act out Showgirls in a pep rally, but in general I think there's good reason for enforcing pretty draconian rules against fraternization.

P.S. I also stipulate that my teenage self, reading the above, rolls his eyes and mutters something inaudible but cutting about Footloose.
posted by Clyde Mnestra at 6:41 AM on February 25, 2010


google is your friend, so is reading the news....

Sorry, my bad, I should have make it clear that I was referring to your first sentence, not the second. I too would call for teachers to be fired based on video I didn't watch!!! Fire teachers!! put them in thunderdome
posted by threetoed at 6:49 AM on February 25, 2010


Ugh. Idiot teachers should be fired.
posted by the bricabrac man at 7:12 AM on February 25, 2010


We just want to say that we're not Spirit Bunnies anymore. We always hated that name. It bugged the heck out of Dina and me. It's just such a put-down!
posted by Astro Zombie at 8:16 AM on February 25, 2010


I'm pretty un-prudish about my children and the education I gave them, often to the point of conflict with the school officials and other parents in the 'hood. However, I would have been pretty steamed if a simulated lap dance was allowed during a pep rally - I want my daughters to learn tools for the future and I AM hoping to keep them off the pole (or lap). I'm beyond startled that it was the teachers performing it. I don't think teenagers need THAT much pep.

On the other hand, I should have moved my family to Canada years ago!
posted by _paegan_ at 9:04 AM on February 25, 2010


A second video has surfaced, direct link.
posted by Alvy Ampersand at 11:47 AM on February 25, 2010


" I too would call for teachers to be fired based on video I didn't watch!!!"

see we agree!

Actually, I'm advocating for them to get fired for acting unprofessionally, video or no video, and I was able to determine that based on the comments and the fpp.

Look around sometime, you'll find actions taken based on witness testimony all the time, and there often isn't a video..

How high is that horse, anyway?
posted by HuronBob at 12:25 PM on February 25, 2010


a fully clothed gendered-reversed lapdance

When men give women a lapdance, this doesn't "reverse" anything. Male is not the default setting.
posted by hermitosis at 2:20 PM on February 25, 2010 [2 favorites]


He gives out candy spends class periods telling dirty jokes and swapping getting high getting drunk stories with his kids.

So, you're not an English teacher, right?
posted by hellphish at 3:01 PM on February 25, 2010


hellphish fear not, I teach Physics. I intend no harm unto your syntax.
posted by ExitPursuedByBear at 3:06 PM on February 25, 2010


There is something terribly wrong with whipping crowds into such a frenzy that allows this kind of behavior. That isn't about 'pep' or 'spirit' -- it is simply invoking mob mentality.

And, there is nothing "honest" about this 'teacher dance' - and nothing that would help teens learn about a "looser, freer, more healthy sexuality." (attn: Rory)

Even if this 'dance' were done by the teens themselves it would be an insult to the entire school. To have adults do this (with the assumption that "all teens do this on the weekend") is horribly base and corrupt. I hope these teachers get fired.

Teens today get far, far too much exposure to profane and degrading behavior in the media and in "entertainment". That is not what being human is about - that is not the way humans should treat each other. Young people know this in their core and look to adults for some confirmation.

No adult should be laughing at this video.
posted by Surfurrus at 8:53 PM on February 25, 2010


So, ExitPursued, if he were a perfect sphere weighing 120 lb, launched from sea level at an angle 10 degrees off vertical with a velocity of 10 feet per second, how high would he get?
posted by No-sword at 9:24 PM on February 25, 2010


What's wrong with one human being giving another human being a lap dance? Nothing is what.

What's wrong with it is that young teenagers frequently pressure each other to have only-somewhat-consensual sex as it is. They don't need any encouragement to objectify each others bodies or to peer pressure each other into doing things they're going to regret with people they're definitely going to regret.

That's for college students.
posted by fshgrl at 11:09 PM on February 25, 2010 [1 favorite]


No-sword soooooo high dude.

But seriously 1.51 ft, because as fast as 10 ft/s sounds 32ft/s^2 is the standard rate of free fall.

Vf^2 = Vi^2 + 2(g)Y

Final velocity is zero at the top of the arc in the vertical direction, so solve for y

(sin(80)*10ft/s)^2/(2*32ft/s^2) = 1.51 ft

The mass of the object only comes into consideration if we include air resistance, but 120 lbs is actually a unit of force, the weight shoulding the force of weight or gravity acting on the object. But all objects in an airless vaccuum fall at the same rate regardless of mass or mass times the gravity which would be the force of weight. 1lb = 4.45 newtons. So 120 lbs equals 534 newtons, divided by 9.81 m/s^2 is 54.4 kgs.

Because the angle is nearly vertical the difference in height based on air resistance is only different by 1/100th of a meter or a centimeter or about 2/5ths of an inch, the air resistance lowering the height by that much. You see greater differences in the shape of the horizontal component as the object attempts to push through the atmosphere. The same motion that would be perfectly parabolic in a vaccuum are squashed into a tear drop shape by our atmosphere.
posted by ExitPursuedByBear at 11:03 AM on February 26, 2010 [1 favorite]


Hi. My name is Monday, stony Monday, and I love <sub> and <sup>, and hate ^. I also like h.

vi2 = vf2 + 2gh

h = vi2 / 2g

(sin 80° × 10 ft/s)2 / (2 × 32 ft/s) = 1.51 ft
posted by Monday, stony Monday at 10:43 PM on February 26, 2010 [1 favorite]


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