justgary: It's a great city for a lot more than food. If you're going for understatement of the year, you win.
Ironmouth: In my experience doing dozens of these cases, that is not the case. Quite often an officer will point out wrong doing on the part of another officer. Perhaps your personal experience is quite different. Supervisors especially.
Ironmouth: There is no reason not to be polite to anyone, including the police. If you are pulled over, cooperate. If there is misconduct, challenging the officer directly will get you nothing.
strangely stunted trees: How much good will that do you in a city like New Orleans where police management and the Public Integrity Bureau (as their Internal Affairs department was rebranded in a reorganization following some of the scandals that Davenhill mentions above) have at least as many corrupt corrupt officers, if not more than, the rank-and-file?
So I think it can be said that what happened on that bridge was a very rare occurence indeed. And in those rare circumstances, people do stupid things to cover up their mistakes. Somehow, nonetheless, they were caught. The system is working.
I have never been to NO, and I don't know anything about the police there.
But you bet your ass they care during those law suits. The Department don't look kindly on officers who cost them 10 million dollars. It is incredibly stressful.
But the reality is that when there is a use of force or any other misconduct, there are so many IA officers on the scene right away that it gets hard to keep the stories straight, so it happens far less than you might think.
"An estimated 16.8% of persons experiencing force reported that they did something to provoke the officer to use force, such as threatening the police or resisting arrest."
In a conversation between Davis, Hardy and Williams at 11:22 p.m., a thumping sound was heard on the FBI tapes. Williams later testified that it was Davis striking the hood of the car joyfully with his cellphone, celebrating Groves' murder. "It's the [expletive deleted]," Williams was heard saying. "It's confirmed, daddy." Davis joined in and shouted, "Yeah, yeah, yeah! Rock-a-bye," an expression picked up from the movie New Jack City indicating a murder has been committed.
The documents filed by the authorities said that five of the civilians had been walking to get food and supplies, and that the other two were on their way to a family member’s dentistry office when they were fired upon by police officers. Four were seriously injured.
James Brissette, 19, and Ronald Madison, who was 40 and mentally disabled, were killed. Mr. Madison’s brother Lance, who was in the courtroom on Wednesday, was arrested and charged with eight counts of attempted murder in trumped-up charges related to the cover-up, but was later cleared.
Lieutenant Lohman, 42 and now retired, concluded shortly after arriving on the scene that the shooting was “legally unjustified,” federal authorities said. He encouraged the officers to “come up with a plausible story” that would allow him to conclude that the shooting was justified, the authorities said.
When another police investigator told Lieutenant Lohman that he was going to plant a gun under the bridge to bolster the story that the officers were being fired at, Lieutenant Lohman went along, and even asked if the gun was traceable, the authorities said.
Ironmouth: And what was the result? Conviction. Isn't that what we want in these situations? I'm confused as to why success stories regarding prosecutions of corrupt police officers, especially ones as bad as Davis, constitute evidence that the police are getting away with massive misconduct. Look at his complaints:
Ironmouth: Your ignorance shines through. I don't practice in front of juries in my police misconduct cases. Almost none of these cases go before juries. Did you know that? Nope. The number is miniscule. By my estimation, less than 1% of all police misconduct cases go before juries. I practice in front of police trial boards, which are composed of police officials and the Merit Systems Protection Board, a federal governmental entity which hears civil service cases.
Lord Chancellor: Should the fed have a semi-permanent presence in New Orleans until the police are trustworthy? Should we shut down the department and start a new police department and build from scratch again? Is it one of those problems that you just incrementally work on by having higher pay and higher standards and higher education for?
Again, I haven't seen any link to that story. If you could please give me one, I'd appreciate it. I tried several google searches and was unable to come up with anything. Even a name would help, as I could get information.
it seems like there was a culture of corruption in the NOPD for a quite a long time and that it was brought to light by some tragic events in the midst of a larger tragic event.
I suggest you go through those General Orders links above. They explain the procedures of police misconduct. They will tell you what actually happens.
He's complaining about citizen complaints and IAD going after him. All of the while, the FBI was running an operation on him. In other words, an act of a desperate man who was boxed in and getting caught. And he was caught. And convicted.
If all of us had such certainty. I'm sure that you've been in similar situations, right? Tell me when you haven't told on a friend. I'm saying that the people who fail to report are responding to human emotions.
Again, always avoiding the question. Admit that you have morally failed by not telling on a friend. Because that is what this is
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