Comments on: Order and Chaos

Order and Chaos

Artw — Thu, 11 Mar 2010 11:03:53 -0800

Doctor Who Alignment Chart (single image link)

By: Artw

Artw — Thu, 11 Mar 2010 11:05:09 -0800

(Though if you ask me if you're writing it right he should always lean Chaotic Good)

By: rocketpup

rocketpup — Thu, 11 Mar 2010 11:08:58 -0800

Best of the Web?

By: greenland

greenland — Thu, 11 Mar 2010 11:09:20 -0800

I think you've just shown me something I never knew I wanted.

By: malusmoriendumest

malusmoriendumest — Thu, 11 Mar 2010 11:09:25 -0800

I'd generally say Chaotic Neutral would be the way I'd like to see Doctor Who- a strong alignment implies interference.

By: rocketpup

rocketpup — Thu, 11 Mar 2010 11:09:35 -0800

(There was supposed to be a tooltip on the above text, saying "Yes, indeed" but MeFi eated it.

By: mygothlaundry

mygothlaundry — Thu, 11 Mar 2010 11:11:36 -0800

Why do I love this so much?

By: The Whelk

The Whelk — Thu, 11 Mar 2010 11:11:46 -0800

I can't wait until I can put my character alignment on the census.

By: permafrost

permafrost — Thu, 11 Mar 2010 11:11:47 -0800

Not at all related: Doctor Mew

By: _paegan_

_paegan_ — Thu, 11 Mar 2010 11:12:24 -0800

I actually LOL'd. Though I am concerned that the Doctors I prefer are along the evil side.

By: Sticherbeast

Sticherbeast — Thu, 11 Mar 2010 11:12:26 -0800

The Big Lebowski Alignment Chart.

By: The Card Cheat

The Card Cheat — Thu, 11 Mar 2010 11:12:37 -0800

TRUE NEUTRAL Charlie Watts was a Time Lord?

By: Dr-Baa

Dr-Baa — Thu, 11 Mar 2010 11:12:54 -0800

I love this meme. Team Fortress 2 Smash Brothers

By: charred husk

charred husk — Thu, 11 Mar 2010 11:12:58 -0800

The little 10 year old inside of me is angry about any Doctors being in the "evil" row. Well, maybe except for the 6th.

By: Shepherd

Shepherd — Thu, 11 Mar 2010 11:13:08 -0800

(Though if you ask me if you're writing it right he should always lean Chaotic Good) I'd tend to agree, but have a hard time complaining about most of the positioning except for Colin Baker and Tennant, but that's just because it's hard to shoehorn "evil" into any Doctor except arguably McCoy.

By: crapmatic

crapmatic — Thu, 11 Mar 2010 11:13:20 -0800

This would be more interesting if there was an explanation of which person is in which picture. I fully intend to see more of this series soon, but the only one I recognize is "Chaotic Good" (Tom Baker I am guessing).

By: starman

starman — Thu, 11 Mar 2010 11:14:01 -0800

More.

By: fearfulsymmetry

fearfulsymmetry — Thu, 11 Mar 2010 11:14:33 -0800

They're stretching it on the evil side... couldn't they just have added some Daleks, Cybermen and the Master?

By: quin

quin — Thu, 11 Mar 2010 11:15:25 -0800

Had I ever been pressed to answer (under oath, to get a job, you know, whatever), I would have guessed that I could be identified as Chaotic Neutral. Glad to see I'm in good company.

By: The Whelk

The Whelk — Thu, 11 Mar 2010 11:16:09 -0800

Doctor Mew I'm on drugs right? What's why I'm seeing this, right? Also this. The quotes give me a warm Civ 4 feeling.

By: Alexandra Kitty

Alexandra Kitty — Thu, 11 Mar 2010 11:18:15 -0800

Love it...

By: Artw

Artw — Thu, 11 Mar 2010 11:18:20 -0800

They're stretching it on the evil side... Colin Baker's clothes qualify on their own.

By: quin

quin — Thu, 11 Mar 2010 11:21:23 -0800

Also: as I think of it, I have to add "Chaotic Neutral" to my list of business cards. That'll be fun for work functions.

By: shmegegge

shmegegge — Thu, 11 Mar 2010 11:25:41 -0800

All that to take a swipe at David Tennant, eh? Colin Baker was totally the chaotic evil doctor. Tennant is Chaotic Misunderstood or maybe Chaotic Awful Death Episode.

By: blue_beetle

blue_beetle — Thu, 11 Mar 2010 11:26:23 -0800

Chaotic Good Chaotic Netural Chaotic Evil etc.

By: bhnyc

bhnyc — Thu, 11 Mar 2010 11:26:33 -0800

I had no idea what this was about until I found this link- Character Alignment

By: shmegegge

shmegegge — Thu, 11 Mar 2010 11:26:46 -0800

Chaotic Very Long Regeneration For No Good Reason.

By: Artw

Artw — Thu, 11 Mar 2010 11:27:52 -0800

Chaotic Episodes.

By: Plutor

Plutor — Thu, 11 Mar 2010 11:28:34 -0800

What is this that's going on here?

By: metaBugs

metaBugs — Thu, 11 Mar 2010 11:28:52 -0800

Not only is this awesome, but you posted it just as I'm on the way to play some D&D. Apparrantly I have a bad memory: When did Tenant's doctor drown children and put people into an eternal prison (although I recall that he wanted to do this to the Master after destroying the paradox engine)?

By: Artw

Artw — Thu, 11 Mar 2010 11:29:30 -0800

I had no idea what this was about until I found this link- Character Alignment Heh. Some things are just so deeply wired into nerdery that you kind of forget that people are not born with innate knowledge of them.

By: Artw

Artw — Thu, 11 Mar 2010 11:30:07 -0800

metaBugs - end of the Human Nature 2 parter.

By: fixedgear

fixedgear — Thu, 11 Mar 2010 11:30:23 -0800

what

By: Effigy2000

Effigy2000 — Thu, 11 Mar 2010 11:33:49 -0800

Where's the Eighth Doctor?

By: greenland

greenland — Thu, 11 Mar 2010 11:35:06 -0800

All that to take a swipe at David Tennant, eh? Colin Baker was totally the chaotic evil doctor. Tennant is Chaotic Misunderstood or maybe Chaotic Awful Death Episode. I'll give you the latter, dunno about the former. The dude DOES have several genocides under his belt/burns at the center of time/looks good in suits/etc.

By: MCMikeNamara

MCMikeNamara — Thu, 11 Mar 2010 11:37:52 -0800

I'm glad to see in this thread one my newest rules for life: If something exists, but you're not quite sure when it means, but you feel like it's something you really should know what it means, you can probably find your answer on tvtropes.org. If I hadn't pretty much banned myself from Gallifrey Base and most all other online forms of fandom, I'd love to throw this graphic up in a thread and see what sort of havoc/shit stirring it would cause. But when it comes to stuff like that, I've always been so Chaotic Neutral they had to exile me to an alternate universe with the Tylers to prevent further (justified) genocides.

By: Artw

Artw — Thu, 11 Mar 2010 11:40:58 -0800

He's very sorry for the genocides!

By: robocop is bleeding

robocop is bleeding — Thu, 11 Mar 2010 11:45:23 -0800

Given all his do-gooder roles (Campion, Davies, etc) I suspect Peter Davidson fights crime as a matter of habit now. And after he returns the purse to its rightful owner, he smiles shyly at a camera that isn't there.

By: Artw

Artw — Thu, 11 Mar 2010 11:46:42 -0800

That or he sticks his hand up a cows bum.

By: These Premises Are Alarmed

These Premises Are Alarmed — Thu, 11 Mar 2010 11:47:17 -0800

Yay!

By: robocop is bleeding

robocop is bleeding — Thu, 11 Mar 2010 11:47:45 -0800

Well, he had to get the purse back somehow.

By: greenland

greenland — Thu, 11 Mar 2010 11:56:14 -0800

Apparrantly I have a bad memory: When did Tenant's doctor drown children and put people into an eternal prison (although I recall that he wanted to do this to the Master after destroying the paradox engine)? In "The Runaway Bride", he drops the entirety of the Thames River on a bunch of spider-monster children that were gestating in the Earth's core. While his companion and the monster's mom were screaming at him to stop. That was the end of that particular race! At the end of "The Family of Blood" he metes out the following eternal imprisonments to said family: - Father: Wrapped in chains forged from a compressed dwarf star - Mother: Thrown from the TARDIS into the event horizon of a black hole, never to move - Daughter: Trapped in a mirror (caveat: ALL mirrors) - Son: Frozen in time and left as a scarecrow in a British field - Me: Exposed as a huge dorkus. Just now.

By: fearfulsymmetry

fearfulsymmetry — Thu, 11 Mar 2010 12:03:09 -0800

Of couse you know who's really evil*... don't ya? ... ... JNT! (OK, it's RTD really) *following joke for hardcore Who nerds only... all else move along, nothing to see...

By: MCMikeNamara

MCMikeNamara — Thu, 11 Mar 2010 12:07:14 -0800

Dude... on that particular backstage spectrum it's Michael Grade is REALLY the most evil.

By: GuyZero

GuyZero — Thu, 11 Mar 2010 12:08:59 -0800

FFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU Sorry, wrong sub-reddit.

By: FatherDagon

FatherDagon — Thu, 11 Mar 2010 12:14:43 -0800

Had I ever been pressed to answer (under oath, to get a job, you know, whatever), I would have guessed that I could be identified as Chaotic Neutral. If you were Chaotic Neutral and pressed to answer under oath for a job, you'd probably want to answer Neutral Good. Unless it was a government job, then you could say Lawful Neutral. You know, whatever gets you the best pay grade, really. does not apply inside a Zone of Truth

By: Dormant Gorilla

Dormant Gorilla — Thu, 11 Mar 2010 12:22:21 -0800

Chaotic very long regeneration for no good reason Sorry, no, this was in fact Chaotic very long regeneration so dormant gorilla can bawl like a little girl.

By: bicyclefish

bicyclefish — Thu, 11 Mar 2010 12:24:18 -0800

Hey! Since we're all here, check out this just-published Telly article about the filming of Season 5, replete with mild spoilers (but no surprises).

By: inthe80s

inthe80s — Thu, 11 Mar 2010 12:26:27 -0800

The only three doctors I know well enough as a casual fan are the three chaotic ones... I guess that tells you something about which are most successful.

By: rottytooth

rottytooth — Thu, 11 Mar 2010 12:27:47 -0800

At least the Lebowski one makes sense. This seems really random.

By: Greg Nog

Greg Nog — Thu, 11 Mar 2010 12:37:05 -0800

Hey! Since we're all here, check out this just-published Telly article about the filming of Season 5, Oh man, we're all still getting over David Tennant, please don't bring the Frankenstein-face-on-Brandon-Flowers-body into this just yet.

By: Artw

Artw — Thu, 11 Mar 2010 12:38:20 -0800

Revenge of the giant face!

By: Greg Nog

Greg Nog — Thu, 11 Mar 2010 12:40:42 -0800

I really hope that his tenure ends with like him getting into some vat of growth serum and going back in time and somehow becoming The Face of Bo!

By: Artw

Artw — Thu, 11 Mar 2010 12:55:28 -0800

Well, not to be nerdy, but...

By: DevilsAdvocate

DevilsAdvocate — Thu, 11 Mar 2010 13:00:00 -0800

I love this meme. I think the Batman one was the original—it's been around at least two years. (Not a criticism of the Doctor Who chart or this post, just offering information.)

By: permafrost

permafrost — Thu, 11 Mar 2010 13:09:02 -0800

Frankenstein-face-on-Brandon-Flowers-body I think Matt Smith looks more like a deflated Noel Fielding

By: immlass

immlass — Thu, 11 Mar 2010 13:12:57 -0800

Just a big yes to this post and all the linky comments.

By: Solon and Thanks

Solon and Thanks — Thu, 11 Mar 2010 13:32:06 -0800

10 totally burned up a star for a long-distance message to his clingy, needy girlfriend, only to conveniently duck out before having to say "I love you." He also DTMFA by giving her a clone of himself. Chaotic evil, yes, but I like his style.

By: koeselitz

koeselitz — Thu, 11 Mar 2010 13:46:06 -0800

crapmatic: “This would be more interesting if there was an explanation of which person is in which picture. I fully intend to see more of this series soon, but the only one I recognize is "Chaotic Good" (Tom Baker I am guessing).” okay #5 Peter Davison....|..#2 Patrick Troughton..|...............#4 Tom Baker ------------------------------------------------------------------------- #3 Jon Pertwee......|...#1 William Hartnell..|...#9 Christopher Eccleston ------------------------------------------------------------------------- #7 Sylvester McCoy..|.....#6 Colin Baker.....|..........#10 David Tennant there you are. (And if you intend to see more, you should check out #1 and #7 especially. #2 is pretty forgettable, if you ask me, and probably even worse than #6, if you can imagine that.)

By: palindromic

palindromic — Thu, 11 Mar 2010 13:51:27 -0800

I think Matt Smith looks like a less ginger version of this gent.

By: Splunge

Splunge — Thu, 11 Mar 2010 13:54:28 -0800

permafrost: "Frankenstein-face-on-Brandon-Flowers-body I think Matt Smith looks more like a deflated Noel Fielding" Leave Noel Fielding alone! Don't you DARE! You are dead to me.

By: oneswellfoop

oneswellfoop — Thu, 11 Mar 2010 14:12:10 -0800

I thought Matt #11 Smith looked like the son of Bill Nye the Science Guy (which is a smart look for a youthful Doctor) but looking at the recent clips and photos, it appeared they have given him Conan's Hair! (In a much less bright color; if it were red, NBC would probably sue). Still, Original Doctor Troughton is so much more Neutral Evil than True Neutral, and Colin B.'s outfit was 100% Chaotic, but I can't get them to line up in a proper grid...

By: rdc

rdc — Thu, 11 Mar 2010 14:41:45 -0800

You know I pretty much completely agree that Tennant's Doctor, while certainly up there with Tom Baker and Ecclestone in my all-time top three, is also deeply scary in a "Am I dreaming or did Obama really just extend the PATRIOT Act?"* kinda way. And here is one of the greatest fanvids of all time** to explain exactly why. Mefites I give you: Handlebars *** * Sadly not dreaming. ** OF ALL TIME. *** Note that this vid was made before The Waters of Mars, and arguably makes its point more succinctly.**** **** But it doesn't have Adelaide, who is awesome.

By: permafrost

permafrost — Thu, 11 Mar 2010 15:55:36 -0800

Leave Noel Fielding alone! Don't you DARE! Hey, I was dissing Smith there, not Fielding.

By: Splunge

Splunge — Thu, 11 Mar 2010 16:07:06 -0800

permafrost: "Leave Noel Fielding alone! Don't you DARE! Hey, I was dissing Smith there, not Fielding." Okay. You are no longer dead to me. This time.

By: elsietheeel

elsietheeel — Thu, 11 Mar 2010 16:38:53 -0800

Should I be concerned that all my favorite Doctors are classed as evil? (Yes, I love Colin Baker and no, I'm not ashamed to say it.) ((I hate Tom Baker, too.))

By: stannate

stannate — Thu, 11 Mar 2010 17:09:12 -0800

I also loved Colin Baker's portrayal, though he certainly was stuck with some horrid scriptwriting that extended into the beginning of Sylvester McCoy's run. Hell, anything involving Mel as a companion is something I automatically file under horrid, as I would file her TV role as being one of the worst companions ever. I have heard from others who know that Mel's character redeems herself somewhat in the books and audio programs; at the same time, the Eighth Doctor's depiction in these same media would put him somewhere between Neutral and Lawful Good.

By: pla

pla — Thu, 11 Mar 2010 17:25:39 -0800

elsietheeel : I hate Tom Baker, too. How can you not like Tom Baker? I mean, okay, I can sorta understand having a favorite other than #4, but outright hating him? Do you hate Apple Pie, Santa, and crisp late-summer evenings too?

By: Solon and Thanks

Solon and Thanks — Thu, 11 Mar 2010 17:28:58 -0800

rdc, that was a great video. It had me at "me and my friends saw a platypus (shows picture of an ood.)"

By: elsietheeel

elsietheeel — Thu, 11 Mar 2010 19:06:16 -0800

pla: Yes. Also babies, chocolate chip ice cream, and baseball.

By: porpoise

porpoise — Thu, 11 Mar 2010 19:49:02 -0800

Greg Nog - don't read the rest of this post if you wish to remain unspoiled... It was revealed in a pretty obvious manner (I can't remember which season or if it was a special) that the 'Face of Bo' is a character from the spinoff, Torchwood... (great googley moogly!, there appears there's a US version of Torchwood being talked about... I wonder what they'll think the equivalent of Cardiff/Wales in the 'states is. Hoboken, NJ? Des Moines, IA?)

By: Greg Nog

Greg Nog — Fri, 12 Mar 2010 05:29:17 -0800

Indeed, Artw linked to that above. Hm. I do like that quite a bit. Also, rdc, thanks for that video! Not only does it seem to make the Waters of Mars point more succinctly, but it actually made it feel like that character arc was something running throughout the show the whole time, rather than the feeling I got at the end of Waters of Mars, where I was like, "Huh; that kinda came out of nowhere."

By: Greg Nog

Greg Nog — Fri, 12 Mar 2010 05:31:58 -0800

I wonder what they'll think the equivalent of Cardiff/Wales in the 'states is. Hoboken, NJ? Des Moines, IA?) Providence, RI! You could do all kinds of awesome Lovecraft-tinted stuff, play up the whole THIS HAS ALWAYS BEEN A CITY OF GREAT WEIRDNESS schtick!

By: Civil_Disobedient

Civil_Disobedient — Fri, 12 Mar 2010 05:35:52 -0800

How can you not like Tom Baker? The same way some annoying people claim to hate the Beatles. Like, oh yeah, I hate oxygen, too!

By: elsietheeel

elsietheeel — Fri, 12 Mar 2010 16:37:58 -0800

Well, I wouldn't say I hate The Beatles...

By: davros42

davros42 — Fri, 12 Mar 2010 18:56:37 -0800

>#2 is pretty forgettable, if you ask me, and probably even worse than #6, if you can imagine that. You bite your tongue! Mind Robbers is solid gold. War Games is ok too, if about 4-5 parts too long.

By: koeselitz

koeselitz — Sat, 13 Mar 2010 03:46:39 -0800

davros42: “You bite your tongue! Mind Robbers is solid gold. War Games is ok too, if about 4-5 parts too long.” I've tried, believe me - although I've never tried Mind Robbers, so I'll attempt it this weekend in your honor. It's just so hard for me to watch those Troughton years without feeling like I'm watching cheesy 60s sci-fi, y'know? And so much of it is so... mindless. Of course, I'm a guy who's still bitter that they fired William Hartnell, and it's been what - 45 years? Hartnell was one of the best Doctors there have ever been, supremely underrated, and awesomely scary at times. This chart actually nails him nicely - the moments when he's a villain occur very frequently, and it was often hard to tell whether he gave a shit if anybody else survived. The Edge Of Destruction might well be my favorite Who ever.