Goddammit, it's not "Obama's" anything. That's a typical Fox News-speak construction.
unlike Bush with Katrina, Obam hasn't fucked around waiting to do something about it.
I love the ecosystem, but... equivocating this to people dying in the streets? Really?
Some analysis sez that hopes for an energy bill are now kaput, because there's going to be a moratorium on offshore drilling, and w/o throwing offshore drilling bones at the right, there's little change of cap and trade passing.
It wouldn't surprise me if BP drags it along in court for 20 years paying nothing, then negotiates a vastly reduced settlement.
The Lakeview Gusher on the Midway-Sunset Oil Field in Kern County, California of 1910 is believed to be the largest-ever U.S. gusher. At its peak, more than 100,000 barrels (16 000 m³) of oil per day flowed out, reaching as high as 200 feet (60 m) in the air. It remained uncapped for 18 months, spilling over nine million barrels (378 million gallons/1.4 million m³) of oil, less than half of which was recovered.
In any case, that would indicate the amount delivered into the environment, if not the actual amount lost.
Where does the binder go?
Based on what we now know the best estimate is 5000. But go nuts. Get your rage on.
We all share in the risk and responsibility if we willingly partake of the spoils of what industry offers us. It strikes me as an immature impulse to suddenly morph oil producers into evil-doers as soon as they slip in their rush to shovel us the ipods, epoxy, asphalt and fuel we so willingly consume. Which is a surprising feeling to find myself expressing, actually.
BP did not build the containment devices before the spill because it "seemed inconceivable" the blowout preventer would fail, Rinehart said.
"I don't think anybody foresaw the circumstance that we're faced with now," he said. "The blowout preventer was the main line of defense against this type of incident, and it failed."
is hyperbolic for two reasons. First, the Soviet government was fully responsible for Chernobyl, soup to nuts. There was no place for the CPSU to pass the buck since they stopped blaming everything on "capitalist imperialism" and "fascist wreckers." The US government shares part of the blame for this, not all.
Except that close to 2/3rds of Americans support(ed) drilling in ecologically sensitive areas. It's not like he's pushing through some unpopular idea, he's pushing through exactly what Republicans AND Democrats AND independents want.
And I hate to tell you this, but we can't switch to fuel cells or Mr. Fusion in your car tomorrow. We're a generation from being able to wean ourselves off oil enough that "Peak Oil" won't cripple or eliminate our way of life.
Going cold turkey would kill us, and I mean literally kill us. By the billions.
So far, it seems as BP severely screwed up,
I think most people realize that the government can't be everywhere.
Could they theoretically collapse the well by blowing it all to hell with large amounts of explosives?
Justinian, they probably could, but unfortunately it would probably take a small nuclear device to do it.
Sure, but without oil, where do you get the energy to do that? A sudden oil disruption wouldn't give us the time or energy to develop alternatives and scale them up to production levels.
No delmoi, that's tantrum logic, as is your claim that this would have happened all up and down the east coast following Obama's decision to allow offshore drilling there.-- anigbrowl
You might have a point if Obama had decided to approve 'offshore drilling, without any of those irritating environmental or safety standards'.
but in fact, the industry has had a consistently improving safety record at this kind of thing until this incident.
You're like the people who pop up after a plane crash demanding to know why people are in such hurry to get everywhere that they have to fly
But blaming Obama for it, as if somehow his words caused or allowed it to happen, is like claiming the old lady who lives up on the hill is a witch because your milch cow ran dry after she said 'nice cow'.
Um, cold turkey? Cold turkey means stopping suddenly, not gradually. :) -- Malor
No, that would be the fault of the idiot driving drunk. Just like when some drunk driver kills someone now nobody claims it's the government's fault. -- wierdo
Obama is not a monolithic superentity who has been the embodiment of the whole of "the government" since the beginning of time.Would you mind if I made a macro of this and just posted it every time someone wanted to take Obama to task about not doing something about a thing? -- Kid Charlemagne
Obama is not a monolithic superentity who has been the embodiment of the whole of "the government" since the beginning of time.
The administration pledged an "all hands on deck" approach to the spill, but maintained its support of offshore expansion. "We need the increased production," said White House press secretary Robert Gibbs. "The president still continues to believe the great majority of that can be done safely, securely, and without any harm to the environment."
But by Friday morning, the White House had shifted its stance a bit...
First of all, he's the president, and of course it's his job to work deal with crises. That's his job.
Yeah, because its his fault that the machine that was supposed to stop the oil from leaking broke.
I think he's going to get in a wet suit and dive down there and seal it himself.
First of all, he's the president, and of course it's his job to work deal with crises. That's his job.
they were expecting BP and the Coast Guard to handle it, and it doesn't sound like Jindal is AT ALL happy with the Coast Guard.
These operations never involve just one company. On any rig, you'll see workers from all sorts of companies, working side-by-side. BP is the responsible party in this -- by that, I mean there is no doubt that they are the ones to pay for the cleanup. This is a matter of (I believe maritime) law.
Um. Can you point out some current civilizations which don't use oil?
Alabama Attorney General Troy King said tonight that he has told representatives of BP Plc. that they should stop circulating settlement agreements among coastal Alabamians.
The agreements, King said, essentially require that people give up the right to sue in exchange for payment of up to $5,000.
i think it's just part of the evolution away from the bush mentality, when 'weapons' referred exclusively to guns and explosives, and not to logic and science; and 'tactics' referred exclusively to assassination and attack, and not to negotiation and compromise.-- fallacyof the beard
Going cold turkey off of oil isn't just about everyone buying bicycles, a great deal of our current level of productivity in growing food is a direct cause of "cheap" oil. I'm willing to live in a world with no modern conveniences (to save the species) but I'm not willing to be one of the billions of people that will die when the taps are turned off.
So, since almost all of these companies are based outside of the US, does anybody think this can be actually sort of economically good for us? All the money that will get spent (by others) on this should have some sort of stimulus effect, right? The same way it can be good Good if you ran over by a well-insured wealthy person?
I don't know what floam was getting at exactly, but while in the US coal mining is pretty safe, annual deaths from coal mining in China number into the thousands (6,027 in 2004 alone). Chernobyl, by contrast, killed several dozen people promptly and caused something like 4,000 additional cancer deaths.
Delmoi, you seem to keep missing the fact that Obama has suspended that plan.
This whole seemingly impossible to kill "Obama lies" derail may be one of the most insulting things a gulf-state resident like myself is having to put up with -- saulgoodman
What he said was that offshore drilling was a good idea on the merits. Do you think he was lying about his motivations?
Yes, absolutely. This is someone who has repeatedly lied to us about his intentions on important things (FISA, single payer, Guantanamo, etc). Generally, politicians, even ones we (sort of) like lie rather a lot more than your average person does.
In the same way that it makes more than 60% of Floridians and the population in general "reckless idiots," maybe.
Generally speaking, assumptions--even bad ones--that are shared by more than 50% of the population shouldn't be dismissed as "unreasonable," "idiotic," etc., unless there's a compelling argument (other than hindsight)
The fact that something approaching 70% of the population, by recent counts before this event, supported offshore drilling prior to this incident similarly suggests that the idea that drilling might be a good idea isn't exactly some crazy fringe belief that can be judged self-evidently absurd.
Another major oversimplification. Public opinion was extremely variable
Before this, very few people would have argued it was reasonable to view approving some new restricted offshore drilling alone as "follow[ing] the public off a cliff."
Selfishly, one good thing that might come from this event is that maybe now, finally, the Florida legislature's plans to allow near coast drilling truly are dead
The explosion was part of a dread plot by Obama to enable him to socialize the National Guard; the NATIONAL Guard.
Or the robot couldn't get to the blow-off preventer, it being buried under an oil platform.
Some people don't grasp that their preferences, no matter how much more factually based and generally better than the majority opinion, are not shared by the majority.
I'm sorry, but Obama can't just go against the will of the people willy nilly and hope to get re-elected.
Effect of Crude Oil and Chemical Additives on Metabolic
Activity of Mixed Microbial Populations in Fresh Marsh Soils (PDF) J.A. Nyman
Numerous observations that crude oil reduced microbial numbers or diversity in sea water and terrestrial soils [2, 3, 6, 34, 60], invertebrate abundance , and diversity of emergent plant communities  suggest that lack of toxicity was unlikely. It therefore appears that activity was maintained by tolerant species that could metabolize substrates normally used by sensitive species.
The results indicated that Corexit and Corexit-dispersed crude oil stimulated bacterial production by serving as substrates and/or by inducing the release of organic compounds from the indigenous phytoplankton population. Highest bacterial standing stock was observed in the enclosure treated with a mixture of Corexit and crude oil, in which a large fraction of the predominant bacterivores were eliminated.
See, I think you're the one out of your mind with hysteria over this spill. You insist that everything bad that can possibly happen as a result will happen. You're attempting to predict the future with certainty. -- weirdo
Barring that, we'll see the public react positively to the situation. They will more likely take away the message that we can clean up these sorts of messes instead of the message that we're too focused on cost-cutting to drill in deep water responsibly. That is, of course, predicated on the weather remaining on our side. -- weirdo
COST BENEFIT ANALYSIS OF THEE LITTLE PIGS
* Frequency - the big bad wolf blows with a frequency of once per piggy lifetime.
* Consequence - If the wolf blows down the house, the piggy is gobbled.
* Maximum justifiable spends (MJS) - A piggy considers it's worth $1000 to save its bacon.
* 1/0/piggy lifetime*$1000/piggy life = $1000
*Which type house should the piggy build?
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