Best Worst Movie
May 13, 2010 7:15 PM   Subscribe

Considered by many to be perhaps the worst film ever made, Troll 2 (wiki) has resulted in a cult following 20 years after the film's release, and now features as the subject of a new documentary: Best Worst Movie.
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THEY'RE EATING HER! AND THEN THEY'RE GOING TO EAT ME! OH MY GOD!
posted by mccarty.tim at 7:18 PM on May 13, 2010 [7 favorites]


I saw the NY TIMES article this morning and halfway through reading it I already knew that I was going to love the documentary. I don't even need to see it to know I'm going to love it.
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 7:19 PM on May 13, 2010


Man, first an entire article in the Post about The Room and now this? When did SomethingAwful infiltrate the media?
posted by griphus at 7:20 PM on May 13, 2010


The movie is great with Rifftrax, btw.
posted by mccarty.tim at 7:21 PM on May 13, 2010


The whole movie's on Hulu.
posted by churl at 7:21 PM on May 13, 2010 [3 favorites]


It's interesting how many films are claimed to be the worst ever. There's perennial favorite Plan 9, but recently someone claimed that "Human centipede" (I think it was named) was the worst. An now we've got this one.

There can be only one. How shall we decide?
posted by Chocolate Pickle at 7:21 PM on May 13, 2010


I don't know if Troll 2's the worst ever, but it's pretty awesomely bad. "Nilbog" has entered our family vocabulary as an adjective for "supposedly creepy, but really just kind of fucked up."
posted by COBRA! at 7:24 PM on May 13, 2010


I have a soft spot for HOBGOBLINS cause everything single thing about looked like something I would have with my High School Drama Club, right down to the cafeteria-as-nightclub and hand puppets.
posted by The Whelk at 7:26 PM on May 13, 2010 [2 favorites]


There can be only one. How shall we decide?

We shall decide by choosing Red Zone Cuba. Flag on the moon.

Nilbog is just a building with no restroom.
posted by ROU_Xenophobe at 7:26 PM on May 13, 2010 [2 favorites]


would have done type english bad cry hurt.
posted by The Whelk at 7:27 PM on May 13, 2010 [1 favorite]


Haha, thats pretty funny this is a FPP because I just bought tickets today to see Best Worst Movie tommorow in NYC, I can't wait.
posted by Del Far at 7:27 PM on May 13, 2010


There's no worst movie, just as there's no "best" beer. It all depends on what you want at the moment, and what you search for it.

If you want to be disgusted and lose regard for humanity, watch Human Centipede. If you want to see a poorly crafted film, see Plan 9. If you want to see a poorly crafted film in the horror/comedy genre, Troll 2 is a textbook example of what not to do. The humor falls flat, and the horror is hilarious.

But if you want to objectively find the worst movie ever, I'd start by making a list of qualities a good movie should have, and then find a movie that disappoints the most every level. Make a weighted average by importance of the quality, and assign a score. The lowest scoring film wins. Batman and Robin may have it won, if only for the poor use of resources (all that money and starpower, wasted).
posted by mccarty.tim at 7:27 PM on May 13, 2010 [2 favorites]


Around 2005 or so, I was in a sketch troupe that did, for a show, an MST3K-style riffing of Troll 2 as a show unto itself. I have literally seen this movie dozens of times as a result. I've fallen into a sort of Stockholm Syndrome with it - more and more I appreciate how tightly it's constructed. Not a single wasted scene. It's an awesomely bad movie, but made by clearly experienced schlockmeisters.

Now, as for the LITERAL worst movie ever, that would be Dreamcatcher.
posted by Sticherbeast at 7:28 PM on May 13, 2010 [1 favorite]


Something Awful review by Lowtax (who was on the Troll 2 Rifftrax) from back in 2000. None of the image links work anymore, I'm only linking it because I remember reading that review when it was posted and that I was still in high school at the time and god damn I feel old now
posted by threetoed at 7:29 PM on May 13, 2010 [1 favorite]


That trailer made my day. I L'edMAO. If the movie is half as good, I so have to see this.
posted by zardoz at 7:29 PM on May 13, 2010


But if you want to objectively find the worst movie ever, I'd start by making a list of qualities a good movie should have, and then find a movie that disappoints the most every level. Make a weighted average by importance of the quality, and assign a score. The lowest scoring film wins. Batman and Robin may have it won, if only for the poor use of resources (all that money and starpower, wasted).

I have big points of Manos: The Fands Of Fate in which every single thing is wrong and you feel bad watching it

"Or to quote the bots, IS THIS A SNUFF FILM?! IS IT?!"

Also I ran into Jon Evil at a Rifftrax show which was fun cause ha Mefites are huge dorks.
posted by The Whelk at 7:30 PM on May 13, 2010 [1 favorite]


No way Troll 2 or Plan 9 is the worst movie ever. Both of those movies are extremely entertaining, just not in the way the creators intended. The worst movie would be something that was just has no merit or entertainment value at all, like "Battlefield Earth" or "Gigli", some big-budget crapfest that no one cared about as anything but a device to extract money from people they look down on.
posted by DecemberBoy at 7:33 PM on May 13, 2010 [2 favorites]


DecemberBoy says what I was going to. When films are so bad they're fun, they're no longer the "worst" movie. The worst movies are painfully bad, not ha-ha bad. But nobody likes to be reminded of those disasters.
posted by Durn Bronzefist at 7:35 PM on May 13, 2010


Santa Claus Conquers The Martians really doesn't get the attention it deserves.
posted by briank at 7:36 PM on May 13, 2010


some big-budget crapfest

Something like this perhaps?
posted by HP LaserJet P10006 at 7:37 PM on May 13, 2010


Something like this perhaps?

Xanadu actually immediately sprang to mind, but then I thought, "no, that movie is entertaining, if only in a 'look how pathetic this is' way". In my system, any entertainment value at all disqualifies it from being the worst ever, because if you enjoy it somehow it can't be all bad.
posted by DecemberBoy at 7:41 PM on May 13, 2010


The poster made up for a showing at the Alamo Drafhouse is fantastic.
posted by hellojed at 7:42 PM on May 13, 2010


Oops, I meant to put a link in there. Link
posted by hellojed at 7:43 PM on May 13, 2010 [1 favorite]


In terms of spectacularly wasted resources, wouldn't that be "Heaven's Gate"? It killed off United Artists, among other things.
posted by Chocolate Pickle at 7:47 PM on May 13, 2010


...I was still in high school at the time and god damn I feel old now

You feel old? I turned thirty fucking years old in 2000. Isn't there a lawn somewhere you should be getting off of?
posted by Nothing... and like it at 7:47 PM on May 13, 2010


Isn't there a lawn somewhere you should be getting off of?

Never get off on my lawn.

All plants move. And they don't usually pull themselves out of the ground and chase you.
posted by HP LaserJet P10006 at 7:53 PM on May 13, 2010


wouldn't that be "Heaven's Gate"? It killed off United Artists, among other things.

More than that, though, it pretty much single-handedly killed off the era of the auteur director operating with little studio oversight that produced Scorsese, Coppola, Freidkin, etc. and all their great movies. You could make the argument that Heaven's Gate is directly responsible for movies not being as good as they used to be, as no one takes any risks anymore and everything is focus-grouped and sanitized to appeal to the broadest possible range of people, which is why no one can make a successful movie anymore that isn't based on some dumb-ass comic book.
posted by DecemberBoy at 7:59 PM on May 13, 2010 [5 favorites]


I cast my vote for Monster A-Go Go
posted by hellojed at 8:01 PM on May 13, 2010 [1 favorite]


Battlefield Earth wins. Hands down. In no small part because in the novel L. Ron Hubbard calls out his whole phoney-baloney religion for what it is, with sneering, mocking precision. The Church, doing its damnedest to smooth this over, concocted perhaps the single most awful megatitianic blockbuster ever to grace a mainstream marquee. It's a race to the bottom, the dialog, the acting, or the score - and winds up in a three-way dead heat of "Worst ever..."
posted by Slap*Happy at 8:01 PM on May 13, 2010 [2 favorites]


Now, as for the LITERAL worst movie ever, that would be Dreamcatcher.

I had to stop watching Dreamcatcher when I realized I felt more sympathy for the alien invaders than for any of the humans in the movie.
posted by EarBucket at 8:05 PM on May 13, 2010


Obviously, we have only one way to make sure we know what the worst possible movie is: we make it ourselves.

We start with Plan 9 From Outer Space, then we sew Troll 2's lips to the previous film's anus. From there, we add Battlefield Earth.

Later, we will make an even worse movie by stringing twelve of them together.
posted by adipocere at 8:06 PM on May 13, 2010 [2 favorites]


Troll 2 is bad, but it doesn't deserve to go in the middle.
posted by mccarty.tim at 8:07 PM on May 13, 2010 [1 favorite]


This isn't a debate that you can have casually-- you need to set definitions.

Personally, I feel that "so awful that they're fun" movies can't be considered for "worst ever," they're entertaining and have therefore achieved something. The worst movie ever is probably something that failed only badly enough that almost nobody would want to sit all the way through it.
posted by Mayor Curley at 8:13 PM on May 13, 2010


EarBucket: "I had to stop watching Dreamcatcher when I realized I felt more sympathy for the alien invaders than for any of the humans in the movie."

That's how I felt about Avatar... waaait...
posted by Riki tiki at 8:16 PM on May 13, 2010 [1 favorite]


Man, if you really think The Human Centipede is the worst movie of all time, you must watch like three movies a year. Human Centipede's a pretty big disappointment -- I'd go so far as to call it the Snakes on a Plane of horror -- but there is absolutely no way in hell it is THAT bad. Speaking as someone who saw it eagerly anticipating an affront to humanity!, let me tell you, it's a fucking letdown. It's kinda boring and draggy most of the time, although the gentleman playing the mad scientist is fantastic.

(I am relatively confident that this is the worst movie that I have ever seen.)
posted by kittens for breakfast at 8:21 PM on May 13, 2010


The trailer doesn't make it look that bad.
posted by Epenthesis at 8:23 PM on May 13, 2010


Personally, I feel that "so awful that they're fun" movies can't be considered for "worst ever," they're entertaining and have therefore achieved something. The worst movie ever is probably something that failed only badly enough that almost nobody would want to sit all the way through it.

Heaven's Gate probably remains the gold standard in that respect.
posted by Epenthesis at 8:38 PM on May 13, 2010


Nothing comes close to "Manos: the Hands of Fate".
posted by mike3k at 8:42 PM on May 13, 2010


Manos and Gummo are the worst movies ever made. I fluctuate back and forth between them depending on my mood.

Plan 9 is Citizen Kane compared to those two.
posted by CarlRossi at 8:56 PM on May 13, 2010


The worst movie would be something that was just has no merit or entertainment value at all, like "Battlefield Earth" or "Gigli"

So in Gigli there's a scene where J Lo wants Ben Affleck to go down on her so she says,

"It's turkey time. Gobble... gobble... gobble."

I strongly dispute the assertion that this has no entertainment value. Given that I fucking wept with laughter when that happened.
posted by prefpara at 9:00 PM on May 13, 2010 [1 favorite]


Oops, there are only two gobbles.
posted by prefpara at 9:06 PM on May 13, 2010


A friend of mine quipped while watching this movie that the actress playing the witch (or whatever she was) should have received an Oscar for Most Acting.
posted by The Card Cheat at 9:12 PM on May 13, 2010 [2 favorites]


As long as we are tossing out (presumably) non MST'ed versions of films as "The Worst Ever", may I suggest The Dead Talk Back? Having seen the non-bot version of that film, and no I could not do it in one sitting, I have to say that it fails on every level that a film can fail on - except for the fact that it was, actually, filmed.

At least my personal Least Favourite Film Ever (Nuts...fuck you Babs) was filmed with some degree of care.
posted by cerulgalactus at 9:17 PM on May 13, 2010


Mr. Krasker: The problem with communicating with the departed...
Tom Servo: Is that they're dead.
posted by The Whelk at 9:19 PM on May 13, 2010 [1 favorite]


The worst movie would be something that was just has no merit or entertainment value at all, like "Battlefield Earth"

Shut your speech-mouth, ratbrain.
posted by ROU_Xenophobe at 9:19 PM on May 13, 2010 [4 favorites]


The honest truth is whatever the objectively worst movie is, you are most likely never going to see it. All the movies you've been naming are at least good enough that they convinced some distributer to pick them up and distribute them.

Just try being a film festival programmer some time. There are literally thousands of feature films made every year that make movies like Troll 2 or Plan 9 look like Citizen Kane. And these really terrible ones will never see the light of day, other than a cast and crew screening.

Trust me, you're better off not seeing the thousands of films worse than this.
posted by MythMaker at 9:29 PM on May 13, 2010


Warning: Tiny rant ahead.

I hear about your film. I come to the site, curious. I watch the trailer. I'm enormously intrigued.

And then... a list of dates for screenings? Tickets? Theaters? What is this, 1982?

I should be able to pay $5 or $10 right now and watch your film online. As it stands, I'm going to forget about it tomorrow and maybe hear about it again in 2 years and Netflix the DVD.

Let's push forward, okay?
posted by Robson at 10:16 PM on May 13, 2010 [5 favorites]


Wait, Gummo is bad now? I was entranced by Gummo, loved it actually. Though, had I been the producer I would've definitely cut a particular scene out (if you've seen it, you know which scene I'm talking about). I can understand it being offensive, but not bad.

Battlefield Earth, now that was bad. Really, truly bad.
posted by zardoz at 10:32 PM on May 13, 2010


For the Seattle mefites, Central Cinema is going to be screening this documentary *and* Troll 2 in the not too distant future. And they'll serve you beer and food in your seat! (I'm totally going as I live practically next door and go there all the time. And I love bad movies. Did I mention beer?)
posted by R343L at 10:52 PM on May 13, 2010


Shut your speech-mouth, ratbrain.

SILENCE MAN-ANIMAL
posted by DecemberBoy at 11:04 PM on May 13, 2010 [1 favorite]


See also Wikipedia's immensely enjoyable: List of films considered the worst ever.

The entry for Troll 2 reads:

"Notable in part for not featuring any trolls (the antagonists are goblins from the town of Nilbog - which is goblin spelled backwards), and for not having anything to do with Troll. Not only one of the "least scary horror movies ever", according to Yahoo! Movies, but "by pretty much any measure... one of the worst films ever made".[23]"
posted by Ljubljana at 11:16 PM on May 13, 2010 [1 favorite]


People, people.

Blood Freak. This wins. It is the world's only mutant-monster anti-drug Christian horror film.

It is the saga of a Vietnam Vet named Herschell who meets two sisters in Florida - one gets him a job on her friend's turkey farm, the other gets him hooked on pot (after one toke). Then one day at the turkey farm he is asked to eat some turkey meat treated with experimental vitamins and chemical additives, and the chemicals react with the drugs in his system to turn him into a turkey-headed monster that can only get high by killing other druggies and drinking their blood -- then at the end he is saved by faith in Jesus.

Friends of mine have actually asked me to stop holding screenings.
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 4:19 AM on May 14, 2010


Holy crap, Item is the reincarnation of Hunter S. Thompson.
posted by localroger at 5:33 AM on May 14, 2010




And then... a list of dates for screenings? Tickets? Theaters? What is this, 1982?

I should be able to pay $5 or $10 right now and watch your film online.


No you shouldn't. Bad movies require companions. It exponentiates the hilarity.
posted by DU at 5:47 AM on May 14, 2010 [3 favorites]


Even worse than "Troll 3: The Electric Boogaloo?"
posted by clvrmnky at 5:48 AM on May 14, 2010


Surely I'm not the only one to have seen Leprechaun 4: In Space?
posted by h00py at 6:44 AM on May 14, 2010


The Whelk Hobgoblins is a great bad film and fun fact: the bouncer at the "club" would later appear in Pulp Fiction as the pawn shop owner (bearded one) that rapes Marcellus Wallace.
posted by ExitPursuedByBear at 7:02 AM on May 14, 2010


More proof that Pulp Fiction contains all movies ever.
posted by The Whelk at 7:05 AM on May 14, 2010 [1 favorite]


Item You're like the Hunter S. Thompson of Sci-Fi/Horror/Slash Cons.
posted by ExitPursuedByBear at 7:16 AM on May 14, 2010


Pearl Harbor is my least favorite made movie of modern times. What a waste of a real-life drama, featuring Mr. Wooden, AKA Ben Affleck.
posted by etaoin at 7:53 AM on May 14, 2010


I mentioned in the last thread we had on Troll 2 that my friends and I had discussed doing a backyard remake of it. This idea is still on the table, but my current obsession is merging footage from John Carpenter's Vampires in with Twilight to create a trailer for a film where James Wood kills Edward, Bella and every other fucking person in those films.

My problem is trying to figure out a way of doing this without every having to watch another frame from Twilight ever again. It's proving to be a challenge in the editing process.
posted by quin at 8:15 AM on May 14, 2010 [1 favorite]


We just watched the MST3K treatment of Manos. Ye gods that was horrific. Not even Santa Claus Conquers the Martians or the infamous Mitchell were as bad as Manos.
posted by Ber at 8:19 AM on May 14, 2010


Man, between Justin Bieber and Twilight, I'm starting to think 14 year old girls have bad taste.
posted by mccarty.tim at 8:20 AM on May 14, 2010 [1 favorite]


quin: "I mentioned in the last thread we had on Troll 2 that my friends and I had discussed doing a backyard remake of it. This idea is still on the table, but my current obsession is merging footage from John Carpenter's Vampires in with Twilight to create a trailer for a film where James Wood kills Edward, Bella and every other fucking person in those films.

My problem is trying to figure out a way of doing this without every having to watch another frame from Twilight ever again. It's proving to be a challenge in the editing process.
"

Can I help? Also, you could watch the Rifftrax version of Twilight, which makes it slightly more bearable.
posted by Joakim Ziegler at 2:25 PM on May 14, 2010


Also, I would personally prefer not to have to watch any of Vampires, sorry, "Vampire$" again either.
posted by Joakim Ziegler at 2:32 PM on May 14, 2010


I saw Best Worst Movie at SXSW a year ago. It was a crowd favorite for sure. I went back to the hotel and torrented Troll 2 right away, but still haven't watched it. Nobody is ever enthusiastic about my putting it on, and trying to watch it alone has not gotten me farther than the car ride sequence. Some experiences must be shared to have any value at all.

The most unhappy I've ever been about how bad a movie was: War, Inc.
posted by damehex at 3:31 PM on May 14, 2010


I nominate all of Syfy's "original" movies as the collective worst film ever. That said, I'll shamefully admit to recording one recently... something about a dinosaur/centaur/alien succubus who has the technology to create a mass hurricane/volcano/earthquake/virus that wipes out all of humanity except for Corbin Bernsen, the alcoholic girl from the TV series Witchblade and Lou Diamond Phillips.
posted by Unicorn on the cob at 1:19 PM on May 20, 2010 [1 favorite]


Unicorn on the cob, the kids and I love to fire up SyFy original movies when we are feeling especially snarky.

"Hey, it's that same forest from the Rock Monster movie!"
"That's the first guy to die, right there. The stoner dude."
"How much you want to bet he falls in love with the weird cult guy's daughter and tries to save her?"

We love how they will film a scary cave scene with just one rock wall composing of a large arch and a small arch and the characters continually running through one side or the other. And the dialog! Good god. SyFy original movies are the McDonald's french fries of home theater.
posted by misha at 4:55 PM on May 20, 2010


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