Noooooooooooooooooo!
March 7, 2000 9:58 PM Subscribe
Noooooooooooooooooo! Prop 22 looks to be passing in a landslide. I thought we were better than this (the Vote2000 site is a great resource though).
sikk made a pretty nice t-shirt to commemorate the event. We should be screen printing these...
posted by mathowie at 10:54 PM on March 7, 2000
posted by mathowie at 10:54 PM on March 7, 2000
dont forget that i made a back side to the t-shirt as well =).
im so fucking enraged right now about this i cant even verbalize it.
posted by sikk at 10:58 PM on March 7, 2000
im so fucking enraged right now about this i cant even verbalize it.
posted by sikk at 10:58 PM on March 7, 2000
i just posted this on glassdog and hcmagazine.com just cuz UGH.. fuck this.
i'm really upset that prop 22 passed. which for those unfamiliar in short says california will not recognize same sex marriages. it says soo much more.
we live in a society built and being built on freedom. on equality. on tolorance. on peace. we teach it in our schools. we want our children to grow up free and be accepting of others regardless of how they look or how they choose to live their life in what is suppose to be a country of opportunity and freedom.
passing this basically says 'fuck what we say, this is what we mean'. and what this means is that gay men and women in relationships in california do not have the same opportunity as others.
that is not freedom. today i say fuck you to california and the vast majority of its voters who with their closed mindedness and homophobic ideals voted yes on prop 22. fuck you.
i wear this tomorrow and most likely for the rest of this week with sadness that i feel i need to.
posted by sikk at 11:16 PM on March 7, 2000
i'm really upset that prop 22 passed. which for those unfamiliar in short says california will not recognize same sex marriages. it says soo much more.
we live in a society built and being built on freedom. on equality. on tolorance. on peace. we teach it in our schools. we want our children to grow up free and be accepting of others regardless of how they look or how they choose to live their life in what is suppose to be a country of opportunity and freedom.
passing this basically says 'fuck what we say, this is what we mean'. and what this means is that gay men and women in relationships in california do not have the same opportunity as others.
that is not freedom. today i say fuck you to california and the vast majority of its voters who with their closed mindedness and homophobic ideals voted yes on prop 22. fuck you.
i wear this tomorrow and most likely for the rest of this week with sadness that i feel i need to.
posted by sikk at 11:16 PM on March 7, 2000
i feel so helpless and pathetic. i really didn't want 22 to pass; it's not right to control something like that by law. it should be up to each person, nothing less... i turn 18 in September, and therefore i missed voting by half a year. if i could vote, i would definitely have voted against it. argh. i bet you that the whole ElMo vs GSA deal in my stupid school district didn't help either, stirring up all that homophobia...
posted by joopy at 1:40 AM on March 8, 2000
posted by joopy at 1:40 AM on March 8, 2000
How can California have propositions on a Primary ballot anyway? Can't this kind of thing be easily manipulated. In '94, there was no real Democratic race for the nomination. So most voters would be Republican. Couldn't someone take advantage of that fact and submit their conservative proposition just in time for that election??
posted by smackfu at 5:54 AM on March 8, 2000
posted by smackfu at 5:54 AM on March 8, 2000
Fuck. So much for my vision of California being this bastion of open-mindedness in an otherwise screwed up country. My bubble has been burst.
posted by jason at 7:22 AM on March 8, 2000
posted by jason at 7:22 AM on March 8, 2000
smack: we had something like 30 propositions on the ballot yesterday - so although it was a primary election, it was also a pretty major California vote. Has anyone seen the numbers? What percentage came out yesterday?
On a related "shame for my state" note: Prop 21 passed by a pretty large margin too... 14 year olds at Pelican Bay? Why not, right? Protect the children from committed relationships between same sex partners, but shoot them like rabid dogs if they do something wrong.
posted by CrazyUncleJoe at 9:23 AM on March 8, 2000
On a related "shame for my state" note: Prop 21 passed by a pretty large margin too... 14 year olds at Pelican Bay? Why not, right? Protect the children from committed relationships between same sex partners, but shoot them like rabid dogs if they do something wrong.
posted by CrazyUncleJoe at 9:23 AM on March 8, 2000
I'm more than a bit disappointed by the results on 21 and 22. I voted against 22 but expected it to pass anyway; dammit. As to 21, I'm not sure I believe it will pass constitutional muster. Among other things, it makes "recruiting for a gang" a crime.
I'm not sure I believe that this will pass constitutional muster. It may be "cruel and unusual".
On a more happy note, Prop 1A passed by a huge margin. The Indians must be popping the champagne corks. (1A authorizes full gambling on the reservations.) The huge margin of victory will definitely send a message to Sacramento to get off their butts and finish this thing.
posted by Steven Den Beste at 10:00 AM on March 8, 2000
I'm not sure I believe that this will pass constitutional muster. It may be "cruel and unusual".
On a more happy note, Prop 1A passed by a huge margin. The Indians must be popping the champagne corks. (1A authorizes full gambling on the reservations.) The huge margin of victory will definitely send a message to Sacramento to get off their butts and finish this thing.
posted by Steven Den Beste at 10:00 AM on March 8, 2000
So, what, if Vermont or another state goes ahead and legalizes gay marriage, does a trip to California constitute a divorce?
I don't know a lot about legal sovereignty of individual states, but I would have thought (obviously incorrectly, as this sort of thing is more popular than the Backstreet Boys) that it wasn't possible to for states to pass laws which render null and void the laws of other states, which is what 22 seems to do. Bigotry's pretty straightforward stuff; it's the states'-rights issues I don't understand here. As well as the hypocrisy of a nation that has nooo problem with "Who Wants To Sell Herself To A Multi-Millionaire She's Never Laid Eyes On" resulting in a marriage legal all over the country, but can't cope with monogamous, devoted gay people having the same basic legal rights straight marrieds take for granted.
I'm just really heartbroken over this. I suppose I knew it'd pass, but all the green on that map is immensely depressing. I have a "No On Knight" sticker on the back of my Palm Pilot that's getting pretty abused-looking but I'm not sure I'll have the heart to peel it off one shred at a time...
posted by Sapphireblue at 11:04 AM on March 8, 2000
I don't know a lot about legal sovereignty of individual states, but I would have thought (obviously incorrectly, as this sort of thing is more popular than the Backstreet Boys) that it wasn't possible to for states to pass laws which render null and void the laws of other states, which is what 22 seems to do. Bigotry's pretty straightforward stuff; it's the states'-rights issues I don't understand here. As well as the hypocrisy of a nation that has nooo problem with "Who Wants To Sell Herself To A Multi-Millionaire She's Never Laid Eyes On" resulting in a marriage legal all over the country, but can't cope with monogamous, devoted gay people having the same basic legal rights straight marrieds take for granted.
I'm just really heartbroken over this. I suppose I knew it'd pass, but all the green on that map is immensely depressing. I have a "No On Knight" sticker on the back of my Palm Pilot that's getting pretty abused-looking but I'm not sure I'll have the heart to peel it off one shred at a time...
posted by Sapphireblue at 11:04 AM on March 8, 2000
Prop 22 passes... and yet, prop 21 passes as well, which will put kids in adult prisons, right? and, ahm... well... do the mean to say that it's okay if you're a convicted criminal?
posted by EngineBeak at 12:08 PM on March 8, 2000
posted by EngineBeak at 12:08 PM on March 8, 2000
i'm so disgusted that this didn't pass. why can't most americans separate their morals/religious morals from the laws of the country.
posted by brig at 12:11 PM on March 8, 2000
posted by brig at 12:11 PM on March 8, 2000
Prop 22: Who will protect the children?
Prop 21: Who will protect us from the children?
Prop XX: The next logical step.
posted by CrazyUncleJoe at 2:07 PM on March 8, 2000
Prop 21: Who will protect us from the children?
Prop XX: The next logical step.
posted by CrazyUncleJoe at 2:07 PM on March 8, 2000
Heh; I remember in 12th grade hearing that about half the kids in AP English thought Swift was sincere. Ganz unglaublich.
posted by EngineBeak at 12:34 PM on March 10, 2000
posted by EngineBeak at 12:34 PM on March 10, 2000
This is a sad world, indeed. I thought it was bad that my governor refused to pass a hate crimes bill because it included sexual orientation. But I never thought this could happen in California. Maybe I'm better off staying in Austin, anyway.
posted by veruca at 2:19 PM on March 10, 2000
posted by veruca at 2:19 PM on March 10, 2000
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