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Post number 9415

MarkO — Wed, 01 Aug 2001 10:20:31 -0800

An Orgy of Abstinence. "Questions plant ideas," warns Peter Brandt, director of issues-response for the conservative Christian group Focus on the Family. Well we wouldn't want things like questions or ideas in our schools, now would we?

By: MarkO

MarkO — Wed, 01 Aug 2001 10:21:29 -0800

By the way, I know we've had a lot of abstinence stories, but I love the quote.

By: th3ph17

th3ph17 — Wed, 01 Aug 2001 10:44:38 -0800

man, that David kid mentioned at the end of the article is going to be Busted if his parents read that article.

By: fooljay

fooljay — Wed, 01 Aug 2001 10:47:51 -0800

I believe that that's a RealDoll in the picture, no?

By: fooljay

fooljay — Wed, 01 Aug 2001 10:53:08 -0800

"sexual self-stimulation" may "eventually leave the person unable to respond sexually to a real person." In other words, masturbators may become so addicted to this self-sex, they might not be able to enjoy the real thing with their spouses once they find them. "It's the first stage of sexual addiction," warns Unruh. What a load of crap. In my experience, girls who masturbated were MUCH more able to enjoy sex because they already knew what felt good to them. Ugh... Next they'll be saying that it grows hair on your palms and makes you go blind...

By: th3ph17

th3ph17 — Wed, 01 Aug 2001 10:53:40 -0800

realdolls are hella expensive...i'd say it is probably CG.

By: MarkO

MarkO — Wed, 01 Aug 2001 10:59:26 -0800

Why the hell did they fire Jocelyn Elders?

By: apollo

apollo — Wed, 01 Aug 2001 11:00:58 -0800

Fooljay, the way I hear it, if you don't masturbate you'll go blind.

By: quonsar

quonsar — Wed, 01 Aug 2001 11:06:01 -0800

...if you don't masturbate you'll go blind. is it really necessary to use such a large font, apollo? it hurts my eyes.

By: christina

christina — Wed, 01 Aug 2001 11:08:53 -0800

1. Absinence is great for anyone who wants it, but as someone who had to "stay out of mischief" between visits from my foreign boy, I can't imagine how anyone does it without masturbating. It sure never ruined sex for me, nor the mr. either... that lie is one of the most ridiculous piece of horse-hooey that anti-masturbators peddle (and why do people hate it so? is it the yuk factor?) In fact, i've talked with other chick friends, and we all agree that long periods without any sexual activities causes our libidos to weaken, and sex to become less interesting. Masturbation reminds us how much fun orgasms are, and keeps us looking forward to the next participartory activity. 2. Dang I'm so sick of this addiction bullshit. "sex addict"? How about healthy interest? Grow up and take responsibility for your own life. 3. "Pet Your Dog, Not Your Date" anyone else kinda disturbed by this?

By: moz

moz — Wed, 01 Aug 2001 11:14:59 -0800

i don't know what to say about this kind of stuff anymore... it's wonky, it's ignorant, but it's probably going to keep on happening. expressing my disgust gets boring after a point.

By: normy

normy — Wed, 01 Aug 2001 11:32:51 -0800

She cites the organization's "Abstinence Survival Kit," which says that "sexual self-stimulation" may "eventually leave the person unable to respond sexually to a real person." In other words, masturbators may become so addicted to this self-sex, they might not be able to enjoy the real thing with their spouses once they find them. "It's the first stage of sexual addiction," warns Unruh. Perhaps Unruh is speaking for herself here? I wonder if she could point us to a refereed study in a respected journal supporting this notion. More likely, its the usual story of people believing what they want to believe against all evidence and rationality.

By: solistrato

solistrato — Wed, 01 Aug 2001 11:49:39 -0800

There's only one thing to do in this situation: fuck a Bible.

By: thewittyname

thewittyname — Wed, 01 Aug 2001 12:10:39 -0800

I got yer bible sex right here (Don't forget the bible pr0n)

By: SenshiNeko

SenshiNeko — Wed, 01 Aug 2001 14:39:22 -0800

From Monday's Washington Post: Administration Promoting Abstinence. "The Bush administration is making a fundamental change in how the federal government approaches issues involving reproductive health, scaling back efforts to promote family planning and contraception while aggressively promoting "abstinence-only" programs." The story even features Ms. Unruh of the above 'sexual self-stimulation' quote: "We're getting nothing but support from the Bush administration," said Leslee J. Unruh, president of the National Abstinence Clearinghouse. "He has personally talked to me about doing anything and everything he can to support abstinence-until-marriage education."

By: wackybrit

wackybrit — Wed, 01 Aug 2001 14:49:54 -0800

Normy said: Perhaps Unruh is speaking for herself here? I wonder if she could point us to a refereed study in a respected journal supporting this notion. More likely, its the usual story of people believing what they want to believe against all evidence and rationality. It's hardly scientific, but I've certainly seen a lot of questions in 'advice pages' and some mentions on the Internet about this, all from men. From what I've read of this, it seems there are some young men who find sex initially rather difficult. For example, some might masturbate 4 or 5 times a day (I honestly can't understand that myself though) and be finished within a couple of minutes each time. This presents problems when they enter a sexual relationship with a woman, as they are only used to climaxing within a couple of minutes. Of course, most will 'grow out of it' over time, but I can fully see why masturbation without other sexual activity could result in someone having a 'distorted' response to normal sexual relations in the initial stages.

By: ColdChef

ColdChef — Wed, 01 Aug 2001 14:59:41 -0800

Finished in a couple of minutes? Yeah, that sounds right.

By: th3ph17

th3ph17 — Wed, 01 Aug 2001 15:30:48 -0800

if teaching men to be better lovers [no weird hang-ups, or ummm...shortfalls...] when older is their concern, they should teach them HOW to masturbate Better, and with certain future goals in mind.

By: gleemax

gleemax — Wed, 01 Aug 2001 17:01:17 -0800

Condoms Don't Protect the Heart Neither does waiting until marriage. I've been a virgin all my life I've been a virgin since I was thirteen years old. By the way, this whole thing makes me sick. Who came up with this idea? I know, let's brainwash our children to deny their own feelings! Grr.

By: gleemax

gleemax — Wed, 01 Aug 2001 17:22:12 -0800

Available at the conference were ATM—abstinence-till-marriage—cards (expiration date: wedding day) Who comes up with these ideas? "No Trespassing" underwear Yeah, that won't get you beat up. For women, Kellogg recommended applying carbolic acid to the clitoris. I don't know what carbolic acid is, but that sounds painful.

By: th3ph17

th3ph17 — Wed, 01 Aug 2001 17:41:14 -0800

for anyone else looking for the quotes used by gleemax, they are a sidebar to the main story, Here. Carbolic acid application would essentially be acid mutilation [call it female circumcision if you like] . I agree with you gleemax...GRRRRR. Everyone, touch yourselves. Enjoy it. Practice safe sex with someone you actually care about. Those old-fashioned chastity methods give me the fucking creeps, except the Graham Crackers...those are tasty. Oh, and the NEW chastity methods give me the creeps also. Metal Belts Vs. Brainwashing thru cheesy marketing....huh...

By: dagnyscott

dagnyscott — Wed, 01 Aug 2001 17:42:47 -0800

I think it's funny that the Scaffold's song "Promiscuity" (a very upbeat song praising... well, promiscuity...) came up on my playlist.

By: anildash

anildash — Wed, 01 Aug 2001 20:50:24 -0800

The image of the guy there is an illustration, courtesy of Marc Phares. What was much more disturbing to me when I saw the issue was about to go live at the office yesterday morning was the cover image. This, of course, is the international symbol for "No Doggy Style".

By: Markb

Markb — Thu, 02 Aug 2001 05:48:43 -0800

Incidentally, "Unruh" is the closest written interpretation of the noise I make when I orgasm.