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Burn a Koran Day! A commercial for Terry Jones' upcoming "Christian" event. [SLYP]
posted by Saxon Kane (179 comments total) 4 users marked this as a favorite

 
Well, that was dumb.
posted by phunniemee at 2:54 PM on September 8, 2010


Yeah, comedy usually isn't supposed to be this... sad.
posted by koeselitz at 2:55 PM on September 8, 2010


Needs more Juggalos. And Tila Tequila. Otherwise it's perfect.
posted by Keith Talent at 2:55 PM on September 8, 2010 [4 favorites]


welp
posted by boo_radley at 2:57 PM on September 8, 2010


Thank you for putting "Christian" in quotation marks.
posted by The Thnikkaman at 2:58 PM on September 8, 2010 [1 favorite]


At least Eric Idle's no longer the worst Python, I suppose.
posted by dng at 3:00 PM on September 8, 2010 [10 favorites]


There's nothing like old-time religion.
posted by SuzB at 3:01 PM on September 8, 2010


dng: heh. I thought about putting in a clarification that it is not THAT Terry Jones.
posted by Saxon Kane at 3:01 PM on September 8, 2010


Christianist event
posted by found missing at 3:01 PM on September 8, 2010 [1 favorite]


HELICOPTER RIDES!!!!!
posted by Senor Cardgage at 3:03 PM on September 8, 2010 [1 favorite]


GALLAGHER!
posted by Senor Cardgage at 3:03 PM on September 8, 2010


HELICOPTER RIDES!!!!!

Clearly, in light of his picture, you mean MOUSTACHE RIDES.
posted by Joey Michaels at 3:05 PM on September 8, 2010


posted by SuzB There's nothing like old-time religion.

Yeah, but book burning is so played out. I give Pastor Jones a big meh-hammud. Fatwhatever.
posted by mattdidthat at 3:05 PM on September 8, 2010 [8 favorites]


This would be funny if it weren't so painfully...umm... what's the word? Oh, yeah, so painfully unfunny.
posted by dersins at 3:06 PM on September 8, 2010


The "ground zero mosque" - a sorry story of hate-filled fundamentalists putting the lives of Americans in danger.

Meanwhile, here's the eminently reasonable Feisal Abdul Rauf, chairman of the Cordoba Initiative.
posted by Artw at 3:07 PM on September 8, 2010 [6 favorites]


Christ, what an asshole!

In related news:
Petraeus Condemns U.S. Church's Plan to Burn Qurans.

Church is 'praying' about plan to burn Quran, pastor says, after general's warning.

Top Republicans Silent On Hate Pastor’s Planned Quran Burning Event.

Vatican, Anti-Defamation League join forces to blast Pastor Terry Jones' Sept. 11 Koran burning.

'Burn a Quran Day' Sparks Protests in Afghanistan.
posted by ericb at 3:09 PM on September 8, 2010 [3 favorites]


Needs more pepperpots.
posted by Dr-Baa at 3:10 PM on September 8, 2010


Quran Burning Pastor: 'We Are Definitely Prepared To Give Our Lives' (with video).
posted by ericb at 3:11 PM on September 8, 2010


AP: U.S. Embassies Brace For Retaliation Over Quran Burning.
posted by ericb at 3:12 PM on September 8, 2010


Quran Burning Pastor Was Expelled From German Church He Founded After His Radicalism Alienated Congregation.
posted by ericb at 3:14 PM on September 8, 2010 [2 favorites]


A loving God wouldn't allow such terrible kerning.
posted by ColdChef at 3:14 PM on September 8, 2010 [15 favorites]


Quran Burning Pastor: 'We Are Definitely Prepared To Give Our Lives'

Well that's nice. It's not really your lives that you're putting in danger though, is it?
posted by Artw at 3:15 PM on September 8, 2010 [33 favorites]


Petraeus Condemns U.S. Church's Plan to Burn Qurans.

CNN Contributor Erick Erickson Suggests Petraeus Is Folding ‘Like A Cheap Suit’ To Violent Islamists.
posted by ericb at 3:15 PM on September 8, 2010 [2 favorites]


B- for a lack of Truckasauraus. And the only reason not to go is if you're in jail. And if you're in jail: break out.
posted by GuyZero at 3:17 PM on September 8, 2010 [1 favorite]


Petraeus vs. the Pastor -- "Why aren't politicians speaking out against the would-be Quran-burner who's endangering our troops?"

"Appearing on Good Morning America today, Boehner seemed reluctant to strongly condemn the Quran burning."
posted by ericb at 3:17 PM on September 8, 2010


posted by ericb Quran Burning Pastor: 'We Are Definitely Prepared To Give Our Lives'

For best results, Pastor Jones should burn the Korans in Afghanistan.
posted by mattdidthat at 3:18 PM on September 8, 2010 [24 favorites]


I definitely get my spiritual guidance from the other Terry Jones.
posted by w0mbat at 3:19 PM on September 8, 2010 [4 favorites]


Jones was kicked out of a church he ran in Germany. He demanded money and work from his followers. It was in the English language edition.
posted by Katjusa Roquette at 3:21 PM on September 8, 2010


Why do people keep calling cults like Jones' and Phelps' "christian churches"? They're about as Christian as David Koresh and Jim Jones.
posted by GuyZero at 3:22 PM on September 8, 2010 [4 favorites]


meanwhile, angela merkel is giving an award to the "Muhammad the Suicide Bomber" Danish cartoonist.

the strange thing about the ground zero mosque thing is that the europeans hate muslims way more than we do...
posted by ennui.bz at 3:24 PM on September 8, 2010 [2 favorites]


Top Republicans Silent On Hate Pastor’s Planned Quran Burning Event.
I'd love to hear somebody like Boehner, or (to continue the Python theme) Palin's opinion on this. Like, does Palin refudiate Quran-burning?
posted by Flashman at 3:26 PM on September 8, 2010


To be fair, she has refudiated it...
posted by TwoWordReview at 3:30 PM on September 8, 2010 [2 favorites]


To continue the Python theme

Does this mean there is an insanely hateful Gilliam or Cleese out there just waiting to step into the public eye?
posted by Artw at 3:32 PM on September 8, 2010 [2 favorites]


The obvious dick-movery of burning holy books aside, what's the difference between Petraeus criticizing this expression of free speech as endangering the troops and his doing so of, say, an anti-war protest? Not enough for my comfort, at any rate.

You've got plenty on your plate right now, General. How about you focus on the war you're losing?
posted by Joe Beese at 3:32 PM on September 8, 2010 [5 favorites]


It's one of those battle for hearts and minds type deals.
posted by Artw at 3:32 PM on September 8, 2010 [2 favorites]


Why do people keep calling cults like Jones' and Phelps' "christian churches"? They're about as Christian as David Koresh and Jim Jones.

The right to religious self-identification is important. And just because this event is evil doesn't mean it isn't Christian.
posted by East Manitoba Regional Junior Kabaddi Champion '94 at 3:38 PM on September 8, 2010 [1 favorite]


Oh gosh I read that as Burn a Korean Day...
posted by sammyo at 3:40 PM on September 8, 2010 [1 favorite]


Why do people keep calling cults like Jones' and Phelps' "christian churches"?

I like this idea. So when the GOP and the tea party (Bush, Palin, McConnell, Boehner, Cantor, McCain) refuse to condemn these nutjobs, we can call them cult-kissers.

"You're voting for McCain, that cult-kisser?!?!?!"

"You're defending Palin, that cult-kisser?!?!??!!"
posted by marsha56 at 3:40 PM on September 8, 2010 [1 favorite]


Why do people keep calling cults like Jones' and Phelps' "christian churches"? They're about as Christian as David Koresh and Jim Jones.
I'd say that these cults fall well within American standards of "Christianity", which actually seems to prefer the hardass way things were before the Christ showed up with all that love, compassion and understanding nonsense.

On preview: Once again, Palin with her baffling, agrammatical tweets. What does she mean by "Unnecessary"?
posted by Flashman at 3:40 PM on September 8, 2010 [1 favorite]


CNN Contributor Erick Erickson Suggests Petraeus Is Folding ‘Like A Cheap Suit’ To Violent Islamists.

I always had an idle scientific curiosity as to which impulse was stronger in the Republican heart: jingoistic militarism or racial bigotry.

Guess I have my answer.
posted by Joe Beese at 3:42 PM on September 8, 2010 [9 favorites]


I'd like to see a reporter ask Terry Jones if he's ever read the Qur'an. Cover to cover.

Ever try reading the Qur'an? It's dense poetry, poetry that does not translate well to English. I doubt Jones even did his own quote-mining.

If we do need to burn books we haven't read, I officially declare Sept. 11 to be International Burn an Orphaned Instruction Manual Day. Dig around and find the user guide for that printer you threw away last year. Burn it. See all that legalese? It's not a manual -- it's a political statement. I'm sure that if I read it I would find that it teaches nothing other than hatred and terroristical paper-jamming. It is of the devil. Watch it burn.
posted by justsomebodythatyouusedtoknow at 3:45 PM on September 8, 2010 [17 favorites]


Christ, this is getting way more attention than my burn some bacon and egg day - which was yesterday, by the way.

I wish lazy media would stop covering this crackpot shit. This was on the national Irish radio station as I drove to work this morning, and on the TV news as I was eating my dinner this evening. Fuck off, these nutjobs have a church with 50 members. Stop fucking paying these sick fucks any attention. Who do they represent? No one but themselves. Are they newsworthy? No. Frag them and move on.
posted by Elmore at 3:48 PM on September 8, 2010 [6 favorites]


On a related note...

NSFWork/(real)Christians/CopyEditors/EasilyOffended/PeopleWhoLikePunctuation. Do not read if you are having a happy day so far.
posted by specialagentwebb at 3:48 PM on September 8, 2010


Oh gosh I read that as Burn a Korean Day...

I did, too. [Insert joke about their delicious barbecue here.] lolcannibalism!
posted by phunniemee at 3:49 PM on September 8, 2010 [1 favorite]


Koran Burning Is Insensitive, Unnecessary; Pastor Jones, Please Stand Down

Well tweeted, Ms. Palin, well twooten indeed. Best part is the implication that publically burning the Koran might not itself be sufficiently "insensitive" for that to stand on its own as justification. Sometimes it might indeed be necessary to burn books and incite hatred, but not this time.

The quasi-military directive is great too. Gen. Palin's in charge of this army of ignorance, padre, you just stand down and await orders, alrighty?
posted by gompa at 3:51 PM on September 8, 2010 [3 favorites]


Frag them? that seems violent.

Perhaps we should ignore them instead?
posted by Fraxas at 3:51 PM on September 8, 2010


Flashman: "Top Republicans Silent On Hate Pastor’s Planned Quran Burning Event.
I'd love to hear somebody like Boehner, or (to continue the Python theme) Palin's opinion on this. Like, does Palin refudiate Quran-burning?
"

ericb linked to this video of Boehner above, but without the requisite (caution! video of John Boehner!) warning.
posted by Red Loop at 3:52 PM on September 8, 2010


I always had an idle scientific curiosity as to which impulse was stronger in the Republican heart: jingoistic militarism or racial bigotry.

Guess I have my answer.


That's the nice thing about the "War on Islam Terror," you don't have to choose.

Quran Burning Pastor Was Expelled From German Church He Founded After His Radicalism Alienated Congregation.

Also, if elements of the culture and religion of Islam lead one to become a terrorist, what can we say about German culture? Oh yes, you know who else burned books?
posted by ennui.bz at 3:54 PM on September 8, 2010


Oh, and Elmore: "I wish lazy media would stop covering this crackpot shit."
True. Wouldn't it be grand if those douchebags showed up and there were no cameras around?
posted by Red Loop at 3:55 PM on September 8, 2010


Boehner doesn't just not condemn the Quran-burning, he equates it with building the Islamic Center near Ground Zero: Just because you have a right to do something, doesn't mean you should do it[!!!] OMFG
posted by Flashman at 3:59 PM on September 8, 2010


in the 60's, the federal government sent troops into southern states to put an end to racial intolerance and protect the rights of minorities. in my opinion, this situation is no different and i would love to see the government step in with a show of force to stop this lunatic redneck.
posted by kitchenrat at 3:59 PM on September 8, 2010 [2 favorites]


heh. I thought about putting in a clarification that it is not THAT Terry Jones.

It's in the disclaimer at 1:26 in the video.
posted by Evilspork at 3:59 PM on September 8, 2010


posted by kitchenrat in the 60's, the federal government sent troops into southern states to put an end to racial intolerance and protect the rights of minorities. in my opinion, this situation is no different and i would love to see the government step in with a show of force to stop this lunatic redneck.

I guess you only support the First Amendment when it protects speech you like.
posted by mattdidthat at 4:06 PM on September 8, 2010 [15 favorites]


Why do people keep calling cults like Jones' and Phelps' "christian churches"? They're about as Christian as David Koresh and Jim Jones.

Same reason "Christians" of that sort say all Muslims are just like the 9/11 terrorists. Guilt by voluntary association. Good for the goose, good for the right wing wacko Christian cultists and their polite Fox-watching keep-the-racism-toned-down brethren and sympathizers too.

If any Christian doesn't like being identified with wacked Christianist cults, now they know how the vast majority of the world's Muslims feel.

Hatred is a force one does not toy with lightly.
posted by fourcheesemac at 4:15 PM on September 8, 2010 [8 favorites]


There is a legitimate question, by the way, whether this is first-amendment protected "speech" or an act of intimidation like a cross-burning, or, as the righties would point out, a flag-burning.

Burning something in effigy (even metonymic effigy) has not been clearly distinguished as "speech" in American law.
posted by fourcheesemac at 4:17 PM on September 8, 2010


in the 60's, the federal government sent troops into southern states to put an end to racial intolerance and protect the rights of minorities. in my opinion, this situation is no different and i would love to see the government step in with a show of force to stop this lunatic redneck.

The idea that burning a religious book (or any other book, for that matter) should be countered with federal troops is ridiculous. This is not a theocracy; the First Amendment protects the right to speak for or against religion, and there's precedent which shows that symbolically burning things counts as protected speech.
posted by vorfeed at 4:18 PM on September 8, 2010 [7 favorites]


Boehner doesn't just not condemn the Quran-burning, he equates it with building the Islamic Center near Ground Zero

If you follow Palin's tweet link (twink), you'll find that she shares this view.
posted by found missing at 4:19 PM on September 8, 2010


Burning something in effigy (even metonymic effigy) has not been clearly distinguished as "speech" in American law.

Yes, it has. Laws against flag burning have been unconstitutional since 1989. The decision was challenged and re-affirmed in 1990. This is why the right brings up a "flag burning amendment" now and again -- because they can't simply claim that flag burning is "an act of intimidation". It's protected speech.
posted by vorfeed at 4:22 PM on September 8, 2010 [4 favorites]


I'd like to see a reporter ask Terry Jones if he's ever read the Qur'an. Cover to cover.

On the lead segment of NBC Nightly News this evening correspondent Kerry Sanders asked Jones if he has ever read the Qur'an. Jones's answer: "No."
posted by ericb at 4:22 PM on September 8, 2010


On the lead segment of NBC Nightly News this evening correspondent Kerry Sanders asked Jones if he has ever read the Qur'an. Jones's answer: "No."

Hey, it's not like any of those pastors in the 80s were familiar with the Monster Manual, either.
posted by vorfeed at 4:23 PM on September 8, 2010 [8 favorites]


Why do people keep calling cults like Jones' and Phelps' "christian churches"? They're about as Christian as David Koresh and Jim Jones.
posted by GuyZero at 11:22 PM on September 8


Aye, and they're nae true Scotsmen, either!
posted by Decani at 4:24 PM on September 8, 2010 [7 favorites]


Didn't there used to be a well honored Southern tradition of burning churches?
posted by timsteil at 4:24 PM on September 8, 2010


Kerry Sanders asked Jones if he has ever read the Qur'an

He was asked that question on All Things Considered last night. He said he has read enough to know that it says that Jesus is not god, and therefore it is blasphemy, deserves to be burned, etc., or words to that effect.
posted by found missing at 4:25 PM on September 8, 2010


If we don't have people like Terry Jones doing more and more crazy and hateful things, we'll take forever to reach the "ok, that's crazy and going way too far" point necessary to facilitate a swing back in the other direction.

To whit, before the rabid forces of ignorance, hate and intolerance go back into hiding, they need to have tasted innocent blood.

It's a hateful, awful process, but the minute the far right let those dogs out of the kennel, it was inevitable that possible sociopaths like Jones (and the much worse monsters who will follow him) emerged and grabbed the opportunity to harm people under the aegis of false righteousness.
posted by Joey Michaels at 4:28 PM on September 8, 2010


posted by found missing He said he has read enough to know that it says that Jesus is not god, and therefore it is blasphemy, deserves to be burned, etc., or words to that effect.

Looks like he hasn't read the New Testament, either.
posted by mattdidthat at 4:29 PM on September 8, 2010 [2 favorites]


Where are they getting the books from?

I hate Coulter...and burning her books may be fun. The reason I don't do it is because I would have to pay for those books...and its a pretty big dick move to burn any book. But anyways...yeah, where are they getting the books from?

If they're buying them for full price from some mom n pop shop that sells qurans all they are doing is helping out the publisher of the qurans and the mom n pop shop.

I support this book burning if thats the case!
posted by hal_c_on at 4:31 PM on September 8, 2010 [1 favorite]


Well if you want to come on down we'll be hosting a backyard burn a bible/free abortion day. You know, to show that wingnut Christianity is a violent religion. By inciting people into a frenzy. Win?
posted by iamck at 4:34 PM on September 8, 2010


the strange thing about the ground zero mosque thing is that the europeans hate muslims way more than we do...

Well done for managing to come out with something as equally stupid as the Qur'an burning stunt.
posted by i_cola at 4:40 PM on September 8, 2010


What an asshat.
posted by cjorgensen at 4:40 PM on September 8, 2010 [1 favorite]


This whole foofaraw is really putting a damper on my trip to see UF/USF. Go Gators! The Swamp: only the secular left gets out alive.
posted by penduluum at 4:44 PM on September 8, 2010 [1 favorite]


Why do people keep calling cults like Jones' and Phelps' "christian churches"?

because the basis of their religion is jesus christ?
posted by saraswati at 4:47 PM on September 8, 2010 [1 favorite]


Well, I'm glad I'm not so terminally cool that I didn't find that video hilarious. What else can you do with these ignorant fucks but laugh at them? If he gets shot by an irate Muslim, I suppose that will be even funnier, in an even scarier way. Or blown up, I guess, that seems to be the preference.

To clarify:

Shooting: alienated American male students
Lynching: cracker rednecks
Blowing up: Muslim extremists
Shooting (abortion doctors): Fundamentalist Christian nutjobs
Bombing from the air: U.S. Military
Burning at the stake: Protestants (archaic)

I'd continue, but I'm sure you're all dying of laughter already.
posted by crazylegs at 4:50 PM on September 8, 2010 [3 favorites]


Where would we be, as a species, without intolerant, crazy religious assholes? How is it that a group of people who are such a reliably hateful, whackjob bunch of assholes can act in the name of someone who preached tolerance and acceptance and have gained so much power?

No, really? Like how? How is it that there isn't a determined, deliberate effort to stamp this crap out? Anyone who buys into christianity and who isn't sickened at the guaranteed poison it's been...well, forever.....well, I don't know. There's a lot of shame to go around.
posted by nevercalm at 4:50 PM on September 8, 2010 [2 favorites]


Freedom of speech, people. If they want to burn the Koran, or flags, or bibles, or anything non-living, then let them do it. I don't see a problem in it, and whether or not they burn it, they're still nutjobs.
posted by Malice at 4:51 PM on September 8, 2010 [1 favorite]


Yeah let 'em burn their books. It's a silly and impotent gesture.
posted by Mister_A at 4:53 PM on September 8, 2010


Josh Lyman explains...
posted by timsteil at 5:01 PM on September 8, 2010 [9 favorites]


I too am fully prepared to give my life in the na- hey, who are you? Get away from me with that turban and beard! Police! Army mans!
posted by turgid dahlia at 5:03 PM on September 8, 2010


This just in. Michael Palin hates Eskimos!
posted by punkfloyd at 5:04 PM on September 8, 2010 [1 favorite]


I really wish it didn't matter. I see that it's silly, it's really the height of silliness.....fervent believers of some skyguy or other are fighting over competing BS worldviews. But unfortunately, it really does matter. I wish we could burn this moron. I don't know what pisses me off more, Sharia or sanctimonious christians. Save that, I hate em both the same.
posted by nevercalm at 5:07 PM on September 8, 2010 [1 favorite]


posted by nevercalm How is it that there isn't a determined, deliberate effort to stamp this crap out?

Because we don't need to silence speech we find offensive.
posted by mattdidthat at 5:09 PM on September 8, 2010 [5 favorites]


It's one of those battle for hearts and minds type deals.

Maybe if we didn't kill Afghan civilians, or help the local warlords kill civilians, as Wikileaks helped confirm, fighting that battle wouldn't mean having to worry so much about some redneck Bible-thumping assholes in Florida.
posted by Blazecock Pileon at 5:14 PM on September 8, 2010 [1 favorite]


Quran Burning Pastor: 'We Are Definitely Prepared To Give Our Lives' (with video).

What about the lives that will be lost as a result of the violence fomented by this incendiary action? How about that, Pastor Jones? And, if *any* lives are lost because your actions trigger additional violent events borne of terror, doesn't that make you an accomplice to terror? How about that, Pastor Jones? Peace, unto you, Pastor Jones. Follow in the steps of your Lord, Jesus Christ, and use inspired action borne of kindness to help end conflict, instead of using the pretense of trying to prove that Islam is a terrorist religion by triggering those fringe Muslims who are no different than Christian terrorists. Who is a Christian, Pastor Jones? One who foments violence, and sows seeds of hate, or one who acts with conviction and kindness to end conflict?
posted by Vibrissae at 5:14 PM on September 8, 2010 [1 favorite]


Who is a Christian, Pastor Jones? One who foments violence, and sows seeds of hate, or one who acts with conviction and kindness to end conflict?

Yes.
posted by Joey Michaels at 5:19 PM on September 8, 2010 [1 favorite]


And so does Sam Seaborn...
posted by timsteil at 5:20 PM on September 8, 2010 [1 favorite]


I really enjoyed "Classic" Terry Jones's book on the Crusades.

Maybe New Coke here should read it?
posted by robocop is bleeding at 5:39 PM on September 8, 2010


No time to comment - have to go invest in "Quran Publishing Ltd".
posted by Salvor Hardin at 5:52 PM on September 8, 2010


We are all slaves to media if this non story means anything at all.

Rational people should take a step back and question all their sources.

This isn't really even newsfilter it's as fined tuned as a Monkees episode.
posted by Max Power at 5:52 PM on September 8, 2010 [2 favorites]


I say if he goes ahead with it, we should burn a Christian bible.
posted by mike3k at 5:59 PM on September 8, 2010


Meanwhile, here's the eminently reasonable Feisal Abdul Rauf, chairman of the Cordoba Initiative.

If anything, couldn't this have been the FPP? Why do we give all our attention to the craven assholes and ignore the decent people?
posted by shakespeherian at 6:10 PM on September 8, 2010 [3 favorites]


Yes, it has. Laws against flag burning have been unconstitutional since 1989.

Yes, I know. I didn't express myself well. My point was just that *from the right* there is a recognition that burning something sacred transgresses the boundaries of "free speech." Despite what the courts say, a lot of Americans think that about flag burning. I'm talking about what people think, not what the law currently says. I'm not taking a side either (on the free speech question).

I think we're beyond free speech issues here. What we have here is an active movement to deny Muslim Americans -- Americans, mind you -- basic civil rights. It's like the KKK, frankly. And the Republicans incited it for calculated political gain.
posted by fourcheesemac at 6:13 PM on September 8, 2010 [1 favorite]


there's something happening here and you don't know what it is, do you, pastor jones?
posted by kitchenrat at 6:26 PM on September 8, 2010 [2 favorites]


I say if he goes ahead with it, we should burn a Christian bible.

Yeah, don't do this please. It doesn't encourage peace and discussion, and really just lowers you to their ignorant and hateful level. Probably the best thing you can do is to reach out to your local Muslim community and give them your support instead.
posted by spinifex23 at 6:31 PM on September 8, 2010 [3 favorites]


Not so strange, ennui, when you consider how many Muslims have immigrated to European countries in the last few decades. The friction between Muslim immigrants and European nationals is much greater (Germans are Germans, Frenchmen are French, etc., etc. ) than what you find in America; Americans are everything (like it or not). The 911 mosque thing is just an example of a few Christian fundies exploiting, to draw attention to themselves, a raw nerve that rankles in some Americans at the moment, and the concomitant pack baying of the MSM, not a measure of American hatred for Muslims, which I would say, doesn't exist. America is still the most open society in terms of making spaces for different cultures, IMHO. What seems strange is that Muslims in America tend strongly to vote Republican.
posted by carping demon at 6:51 PM on September 8, 2010


I hate that the media and the army and the Pope and everybody are giving this asshat their attention. I can burn a bible or an American flag or a stack of David Foster Wallace books tonight and that's legal. I think that is one of the cool things about living in the US. Let this jerk burn the Koran if he wants to, just don't give him the publicity.

No one has said it, but just in case anyone is thinking all the churches in the American south are peopled by intolerant asswipes, here's a nice story out of Tennessee:

Cordova church welcomes new Islamic Center to the neighborhood

The pastor of the church said: "...we follow Jesus and he tells us to love our neighbors."

Wow. What a concept.
posted by marxchivist at 6:59 PM on September 8, 2010 [4 favorites]


Probably the best thing you can do is to reach out to your local Muslim community and give them your support instead.

This.

He sighed. "It's a bad time, neighbors. Do be patient." - Robert Heinlein, Friday
posted by Joe Beese at 7:00 PM on September 8, 2010 [1 favorite]


I can burn a bible or an American flag or a stack of David Foster Wallace books tonight and that's legal

I agree it shouldn't be a big deal. The story to me is that the right wing would go into a fury if you did those things (well, the first two anyways), while they are at least implicitly supporting this.
posted by inigo2 at 7:03 PM on September 8, 2010 [1 favorite]


How many here are against people having the right to burn the Koran in order to express one's self, yet are in favor of the right to burn the flag as a form of self expression?
posted by Sukiari at 7:08 PM on September 8, 2010


I use flags for kindling when I burn my Korans.
posted by found missing at 7:11 PM on September 8, 2010 [1 favorite]


HELICOPTER RIDES!!!!!

Clearly, in light of his picture, you mean MOUSTACHE RIDES.


No, he definitely means CRAAAAAAZY HELICOPTER RIDES!
posted by StrangerInAStrainedLand at 7:20 PM on September 8, 2010


I'd like to see a reporter ask Terry Jones if he's ever read the Qur'an. Cover to cover.

There's actually a couple smaller movements I've heard about promoting 9/11 as "International READ A Q'uran Day" instead. (I think I'm going to.)
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 7:21 PM on September 8, 2010


How many here are against people having the right to burn the Koran in order to express one's self, yet are in favor of the right to burn the flag as a form of self expression?

I'm all for everyone having both of those rights. I'm also all for nobody doing them.
posted by inigo2 at 7:38 PM on September 8, 2010 [1 favorite]


Fuck off, these nutjobs have a church with 50 members. Stop fucking paying these sick fucks any attention. Who do they represent? No one but themselves. Are they newsworthy? No. Frag them and move on.
posted by Elmore at 3:48 PM on September 8 [2 favorites] No other comments.


yeah, that'd be easier if they hadn't already primed the media pump by sending their kids to public schools last year wearing t-shirts that read "Islam is of the Devil." This particular dick move led Alachua County schools to move to an 'all uniforms at all schools' dress code this year - possibly the fastest anyone's ever seen a (mostly) rural school board move, especially in the overwhelmingly white christian south.
posted by toodleydoodley at 7:45 PM on September 8, 2010 [1 favorite]


not linking the above because it's easy enough to find and hell if I'm gonna publicize those jerkoffs.
posted by toodleydoodley at 7:45 PM on September 8, 2010


I say if he goes ahead with it, we should burn a Christian bible.

Done.
posted by fungible at 8:08 PM on September 8, 2010


I'm all for ignoring them and not giving them publicity. Any more publicity than the metric shit-ton they've already received.
posted by ob at 8:10 PM on September 8, 2010


What seems strange is that Muslims in America tend strongly to vote Republican.

Is that true? I'd be interested in seeing some numbers about this.
posted by shakespeherian at 8:11 PM on September 8, 2010


I sure hope Pouncey figures out how to snap the ball by Saturday.
posted by dirigibleman at 8:23 PM on September 8, 2010 [2 favorites]


Eh, all these other books and more have been burnt. The book burning hasn't even happened yet and it's already in Wikipedia.

It's not like they're going to run out of Korans. On one side we have a fringe Christian group seeking attention and on the other a lot of outraged Muslims and on the third side a bunch of people paying attention. If anything the people burning the books just donated a bunch of money to whoever printed the Korans.

Kurt Vonnegut would invent a scene like that. A pragmatic Bokonon-like religion would say, "Wait. You want to give me money to buy the printed Holy Books of our religion and burn them? How many do you want?"

I don't mean to trivialize spirit or belief, but take away the outrage and you have some noise and air pollution and an odd but profitable business deal.
posted by loquacious at 8:25 PM on September 8, 2010 [1 favorite]


Well, shakespeherian, I admit I haven't any hard numbers to show, I was depending, naively, (or sloppily) on this: Historically, Muslim Americans tended to support the Republican Party. (you can bet I'll look for some, now.)
posted by carping demon at 8:39 PM on September 8, 2010


This article [pdf] by the Council on American-Islamic Relations says that 49% of American Muslims identified as Democrat in 2008, 36% independent and just 8% Republican.

I just had to check because my dad, an Egyptian Muslim, has been voting Democrat since he became a citizen, and no Muslim I've known who cared about politics has had any nice things to say about Bush & Co.

I'm struggling to imagine what a Muslim Republican would be like..
posted by malapropist at 8:53 PM on September 8, 2010 [1 favorite]


As a matter of fact, according to the Council on Islamic-American Relations, as of 2006 (pdf warning) about 42% of American Muslims call themselve Democrats as compared to 17% Republican. This is a big change from 2000, when the majority of American Muslims supported W. They seem to be generally conservative, but they pay attention.
posted by carping demon at 8:55 PM on September 8, 2010 [1 favorite]


Ooops, beat again.
posted by carping demon at 8:56 PM on September 8, 2010 [1 favorite]


I had to medicate the dog, honestly.
posted by carping demon at 8:58 PM on September 8, 2010


I'm struggling to imagine what a Muslim Republican would be like..

Similar to a gay Republican?
posted by inigo2 at 9:01 PM on September 8, 2010 [1 favorite]


I had to medicate the dog

That is a startling euphemism
posted by found missing at 9:03 PM on September 8, 2010 [2 favorites]


Given the broad strokes of Islam, I figured that Muslims would (generalizations!) tend towards the conservative end of certain social issues, but yeah, I'd be surprised to see a lot of Muslim support for the current crop of GOP.
posted by shakespeherian at 9:05 PM on September 8, 2010 [1 favorite]


Surprisingly brilliant idea from a redditor: give them a arabic translation of the bible to burn, look at the cover, would'a fooled me.
posted by sammyo at 9:14 PM on September 8, 2010 [3 favorites]


I'm struggling to imagine what a Muslim Republican would be like...

Take the gayest, self-hating right-winger and multiply it by a million.
posted by Blazecock Pileon at 9:18 PM on September 8, 2010


Take the gayest, self-hating right-winger and multiply it by a million.

Kim Jong Il: It will be 9/11 times two thousand three hundred and fifty-six.
Chris: My God, that's... I don't even know what that is!
Kim Jong Il: Nobody does!
posted by shakespeherian at 9:32 PM on September 8, 2010


Burn the Bible?

Nah.

If you want to burn a book featuring a charismatic guy risen from the dead, that proposes that women should be subservient to men and never think for themselves, burn the Twilight series.
posted by tzikeh at 9:58 PM on September 8, 2010 [11 favorites]


I had to medicate the dog

That is a startling euphemism

You should have seen the dog.
posted by carping demon at 10:20 PM on September 8, 2010


I wonder just when Jones is going to be outed as some class of pervert? Seriously, perversion often goes right along with religious extremism. Jim Jones anyone?
posted by Katjusa Roquette at 10:23 PM on September 8, 2010


Where are the Heavy Metal Parking Lot guys when we need them?
posted by stevil at 10:38 PM on September 8, 2010


I think we are nearing a compromise here: How about we let these assclowns burn the Quran on 9/11, and in turn New Yorkers get to build their Ground Zero Mosque?
posted by sour cream at 1:04 AM on September 9, 2010


I wonder just when Jones is going to be outed as some class of pervert? Seriously, perversion often goes right along with religious extremism. Jim Jones anyone?

Wouldn't it imply that he's a closet Muslim?
posted by krinklyfig at 2:40 AM on September 9, 2010


Where would we be, as a species, without intolerant, crazy religious assholes?

Higher up on the karmic ladder?
posted by krinklyfig at 2:50 AM on September 9, 2010


what if some good soul decided to burn tghe old testament, the new testament, and the koran the same day. would there be rage and burning of flags and rioting worldwide from muslims, jews, christians?

best guess: whether he burns the Koran or not, others are going to begin doing it
to provoke Muslims in the US and elsewhere. copycat thing is going to spread.
posted by Postroad at 4:23 AM on September 9, 2010


what if some good soul decided to burn tghe old testament, the new testament, and the koran the same day. would there be rage and burning of flags and rioting worldwide from muslims, jews, christians?

Sounds like a good test to find out which religions are peaceful and which are violent.
posted by sour cream at 4:34 AM on September 9, 2010


Where would we be, as a species, without intolerant, crazy religious assholes?

In space. (possibly feeling alone)
posted by samsara at 5:43 AM on September 9, 2010


Remember when that school wanted to burn copies of Slaughterhouse-Five and Pres. Nixon warned of possible Vonnegutian violence if they did?
posted by Legomancer at 6:52 AM on September 9, 2010 [1 favorite]


Quran-burn would be 'bonanza for al-Qaida,' Obama says.
posted by ericb at 7:10 AM on September 9, 2010


Imam: Moving Islamic center will spur extremists.
posted by ericb at 7:10 AM on September 9, 2010


Shirley Phelps-Roper: We Burned a Quran, and Nobody Cared!
posted by ericb at 7:13 AM on September 9, 2010


Why do people keep calling cults like Jones' and Phelps' "christian churches"? They're about as Christian as David Koresh and Jim Jones.

why do people keep calling cults like terror cells that fly planes into buildings "muslims"?

There are something like 2 billion christians and 1.5 billion muslims, and the majority of both groups are not crazy. But then some of them are, and which religion they belong to is probably mostly a coincidence. They just want to start a fight or blow something up or whatever, and they're using the local religion to support it...

I doubt the pastor down there would care if he burned arabic bibles - he would never know for sure, and he'd probably think they didn't "count" if they were arabic. Because these people are just not thinking things through. I mean, they don't seem to realize that these wars were fought FOR muslims just as much as against extremists.
posted by mdn at 7:25 AM on September 9, 2010


I sure hope Pouncey figures out how to snap the ball by Saturday.
posted by dirigibleman at 11:23 PM on September 8 [2 favorites -] Favorite added! [Flagged] No other comments.


Right! That's getting back to the proper media attention priorities! I, uh, hope Brantley something something something
posted by toodleydoodley at 7:26 AM on September 9, 2010


I'm surprised those planning to burn the Koran had evolved enough to discover fire.
posted by Twicketface at 8:14 AM on September 9, 2010 [3 favorites]


I'm all in favor of letting him burn whatever book he wants, but then, I'm also in favor the press covering it from a "Look at this fucking guy... look at this impotent, useless gesture, from an impotent, useless person..." angle.

Sadly, that won't happen. But it would be glorious if it did.
posted by quin at 8:19 AM on September 9, 2010


Interpol: Quran burning likely to trigger attacks.
posted by ericb at 10:34 AM on September 9, 2010


Inspired By Florida Hate Pastor, Tennessee Minister Also Plans To Burn Qurans On 9/11.
posted by ericb at 12:22 PM on September 9, 2010


Qur'an Burning: The 5 Steps that Brought Us to this Point and Why Religious Communities Must Resist
posted by bardophile at 2:03 PM on September 9, 2010


Word has it that the Qur'an burning thing has been cancelled (NPR), waiting for links...
posted by JoeXIII007 at 2:07 PM on September 9, 2010


Pastor: Quran-burning protest off if NYC Muslim center moves.
posted by ericb at 2:17 PM on September 9, 2010


"The pastor planning to burn Qurans on the Sept. 11 anniversary said Thursday that he had called off the event after being given assurances that the Muslim group seeking to build an Islamic center near the World Trade Center site would move the project.

'We would consider that a sign from God,' the Rev. Terry Jones told reporters.

It was unclear whether such a commitment from the Muslim group was forthcoming, though some reports said Jones and the leader of the mosque project had spoken earlier Thursday.

'I have his word that he will move the mosque to a different location,' Jones said.

Jones also said he would travel to New York on Saturday to meet with officials of the mosque project.

President Barack Obama earlier implored Jones to call off his Quran-burning 'stunt,' saying it would jeopardize U.S. troops abroad.

Obama told ABC's 'Good Morning America' in an interview aired Thursday that he hopes the Jones listens to "those better angels.'"
posted by ericb at 2:19 PM on September 9, 2010


'We would consider that a sign from God,' the Rev. Terry Jones told reporters.

Christ, what an asshole!
posted by ericb at 2:20 PM on September 9, 2010


Please tell me they aren't moving Park51.
posted by shakespeherian at 2:25 PM on September 9, 2010


One step forward, several blocks backwards. This is progress?? If anyone complains that Muslims aren't doing enough, speaking out enough, aren't sensitive enough, or condemning enough, I'm going to fucking scream.
posted by raztaj at 2:35 PM on September 9, 2010


And it's done.

They aren't moving Park51, but damned if they don't have any cash to actually build it.
posted by Burhanistan at 2:37 PM on September 9, 2010


The pastor planning to burn Qurans on the Sept. 11 anniversary said Thursday that he had called off the event after being given assurances that the Muslim group seeking to build an Islamic center near the World Trade Center site would move the project.

See? Terrorism works.
posted by quin at 2:37 PM on September 9, 2010 [1 favorite]


They aren't moving Park51, but damned if they don't have any cash to actually build it.

Has that not actually been known for quite some time?
posted by Artw at 2:38 PM on September 9, 2010


Several sources are reporting that Rauf denies that he promised Jones he'd move Park51.
posted by shakespeherian at 2:38 PM on September 9, 2010


Pastor cancels burning, says mosque moving -- "But sources close to imam behind NYC project deny there's a deal."
posted by ericb at 2:54 PM on September 9, 2010


Mosque investor nixes Trump buyout offer
"Donald Trump's offer to buy an investor's stake where a mosque is planned near ground zero is falling flat.

Wolodymyr Starosolsky is a lawyer for the investor in the real estate partnership that controls the site. He says Trump's offer is 'just a cheap attempt to get publicity and get in the limelight.'

In a letter released Thursday by Trump's publicist, Trump told Hisham Elzanaty he would buy his stake in the lower Manhattan building for 25 percent more than whatever he paid.

Trump says he's making the offer not because he thinks the location is spectacular, but because it would end 'a very serious, inflammatory, and highly divisive situation.'

Critics say building a mosque so close to where Islamic extremists brought down the World Trade Center would be an insult.

Trump had also attached a condition to his offer: He said that as part of the deal, the backers of the mosque project would need to promise that any new mosque they constructed would be at least five blocks farther away from the World Trade Center site.

... It's unclear how much control Elzanaty has over the property, which is owned by an eight-member investment group led by Soho Properties.

A spokesman for Soho Properties general manager Sharif El-Gamal and his nonprofit group, Park51, did not immediately respond to a request for comment Thursday. Earlier in the day, the organization sent a statement to The Associated Press affirming that Soho Properties controlled the real estate and that Elzanaty was one of several investors.

El-Gamal and other people associated with the Islamic center have refused to detail the ownership structure of the real estate partnership that holds the site.

Elzanaty's lawyer did not immediately return a phone message Thursday. But in a pair of interviews with the AP this week, Elzanaty said he had invested in the site with an intention of making a profit and was willing to sell some of it for private development. He also said he supported building a mosque on at least part of the property."
posted by ericb at 2:57 PM on September 9, 2010


I just sent an email to Park51.org urging them to stand strong against demagoguery.
posted by shakespeherian at 2:57 PM on September 9, 2010


According to Park51's twitter, the reports on a "deal" with Jones are false.
posted by raztaj at 3:10 PM on September 9, 2010


The burning is canceled after Defense Secretary Gates calls.
posted by infinitefloatingbrains at 5:44 PM on September 9, 2010


"I'm all for everyone having both of those rights. I'm also all for nobody doing them."

It's not much of a right if you aren't free to exercise it.

Pure hypocrisy.
posted by Sukiari at 5:50 PM on September 9, 2010


It's not much of a right if you aren't free to exercise it.

Pure hypocrisy.


How so? I never said I'd stop it. I prefer people to not be asshats on their own; there doesn't need to be a law against it.
posted by inigo2 at 5:54 PM on September 9, 2010


Koran-burning douchebag may change his mind again, calls imam a liar.
posted by dirigibleman at 8:47 PM on September 9, 2010


The way the back and forth "dude changes his mind/imam replies" is plastered up on the front page of all the MSM sites is really vexing. It's such a minor non-occurrence thing going. I kind of want to call in an air strike on all of the cable news networks for blowing this stupid, trivial, juvenile nonsense completely ten million times out of proportion. It's maddening, and it would seem that the media needs a proper wakeup call.
posted by Burhanistan at 9:31 PM on September 9, 2010 [1 favorite]


There will be no law against it. That would be a clear violation of the Constitution.

People have the right to expound dangerous ideas. People have the right to be offended, but no right to prevent such expression.
posted by Sukiari at 11:05 PM on September 9, 2010


People have the right to expound dangerous ideas. People have the right to be offended, but no right to prevent such expression.

However, people DO have the right to tell the other people expressing dangerous ideas that they're dumbasses.
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 4:11 AM on September 10, 2010


People have the right to expound dangerous ideas. People have the right to be offended, but no right to prevent such expression.

Well, yeah. That's exactly what I said. I don't see how that makes me a hypocrite, which is what you called me.
posted by inigo2 at 7:14 AM on September 10, 2010


11 Afghans injured in anti-Quran-burning protests.
posted by ericb at 9:32 AM on September 10, 2010 [1 favorite]


The pastor and cheap, selective concern for "blood-spilling"
posted by homunculus at 10:12 AM on September 10, 2010


It is ridiculous to, on the one hand, say that somebody should have the freedom to express themselves, and then on the other hand suggest they shouldn't actually exercise that freedom.
If this guy wants to be a douche that is fine by me. Asking him to pre-censor himself because you find his statement offensive is, in my opinion, getting close to a line that we should not cross.

What I find offensive is the amount of people equating this with yelling fire in a crowded theater. You aren't doing this, inigo2, but others on this thread and elsewhere are suggesting just such a similarity.
posted by Sukiari at 2:41 PM on September 10, 2010


Asking me not to express to him my desire for him to pre-censor himself because I find his statement offensive is getting close to crossing a line that we should not cross. If this guy wants to be a douche, that isn't fine with me, and it is ridiculous that you are asking that people not call him out on his douchieness.
posted by found missing at 2:50 PM on September 10, 2010


It is ridiculous to, on the one hand, say that somebody should have the freedom to express themselves, and then on the other hand suggest they shouldn't actually exercise that freedom.

We're not saying that he shouldn't exercise his freedom. We're just saying that the exercise equipment he is using happens to make him look like a total dumbass.

And in doing so, we are also exercising OUR right to express ourselves.
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 4:21 PM on September 10, 2010


I'm a Muslim and I don't care that this jerkoff is buring some copies of the Quran. He's absolutely no threat to Islam and because of his stunt many more people will actually pick up a copy and read it, and a subset of those will probably convert to Islam. Well done, Jones!

Also, from what I read they will be mostly burning old copies of a rubbish translation anyway. It's all rather laughable. The ones to hate in this are the bleedin' US media. They need a good burning.
posted by Burhanistan at 8:18 PM on September 10, 2010


This film tells the story of the meeting between the Prophet Muhammad and a Christian monk named Bahira. The meeting happened in the shade of a tree. Fourteen hundred years later that same tree was discovered still alive in the northern deserts of Jordan.
posted by Burhanistan at 8:43 PM on September 10, 2010


It is ridiculous to, on the one hand, say that somebody should have the freedom to express themselves, and then on the other hand suggest they shouldn't actually exercise that freedom.

Why not? You certainly have the freedom to tell my mother that she's an ugly harpy who deserves to rot in hell and have her face gnawed off by jackals. I think you should have the freedom to do this. But I don't think you should do it, because my mom is awesome.
posted by shakespeherian at 10:14 PM on September 10, 2010 [1 favorite]


Where did I ever say that he isn't a douche, or that you should call him out on his asshattery? What I object to is the hand-wringing that has ensued since this Jones fellow has announced his plan. Let him have his say, and then offer a retort. Anything else is worthy of ridicule.
posted by Sukiari at 10:20 PM on September 10, 2010


Koran-burning douchebag may change his mind again, calls imam a liar.

Actually if you watch any of the videos he calls the iman a liar. Anyone know of any particular reason that he constantly used iman rather than imam?
posted by Tenuki at 11:02 PM on September 10, 2010


Quran Burning Story: This Is How The Media Embarrass Themselves.
posted by ericb at 6:50 AM on September 11, 2010


Anyone know of any particular reason that he constantly used iman rather than imam?

Um, because he's an ill-informed idiot?
posted by ericb at 6:51 AM on September 11, 2010


What I object to is the hand-wringing that has ensued since this Jones fellow has announced his plan. Let him have his say, and then offer a retort. Anything else is worthy of ridicule.

Actually, I have a better analogy for the situation.

Let's say you have a friend named Sid. And poor Sid had a sister who was killed by a maniac who claimed a copy of "Mama Said Knock You Out" told him to do it. So Sid...now has some really, really bad associations with that song. And -- you also know that Sid has had a rough go of things recently.

Now, let's say that you have another friend, let's call him Hank; and Sid and Hank are on the outs right now, so Hank wants to get under Sid's skin. So -- he decides he's going to stand on the sidewalk in front of Sid's house -- so it's public property -- with a boom box and play "Mama Said Knock You Out" on a continual loop.

Technically, Hank has the right to do this. But -- are you REALLY not going to try taking Hank aside and telling him not to?
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 8:26 AM on September 11, 2010


Um, because he's an ill-informed idiot?

I was wondering if it more like the way all the tea party/birther idiots use moslem/mawzlem rather than general ignorance.
posted by Tenuki at 1:58 PM on September 11, 2010


> Um, because he's an ill-informed idiot?

I was wondering if it more like the way all the tea party/birther idiots use moslem/mawzlem rather than general ignorance.


I think it's because on good days he only needs a few seconds to discern his arse from a hole in the ground. ايمان actually means "faith" in Arabic, by the way, so it's hardly a perjorative.
posted by Burhanistan at 2:07 PM on September 11, 2010


"I snuck up behind him and took his Koran, he said something about burning the Koran, I said 'Dude you have no Koran,' and ran off."

Skateboarder Foils Would-Be Koran Burner In Texas
posted by fearfulsymmetry at 2:19 PM on September 13, 2010 [1 favorite]


City puts cost of Quran-burning security at $200,000, sends bill to church.
posted by ericb at 11:10 AM on September 19, 2010


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