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	<pubDate>Fri, 17 Sep 2010 14:26:43 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>Making Future Magic</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/95817/Making-Future-Magic</link>	
		<description>&lt;a href="http://www.dentsulondon.com/blog/2010/09/14/light-painting/"&gt;iPad light painting&lt;/a&gt; - an ethereal stop-motion animation, using long exposures and a locationally-aware iPad [ &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.flickr.com/photos/bergstudio/sets/72157624954300752/&quot;&gt;photo stills&lt;/a&gt; | &lt;a href=&quot;http://daringfireball.net/linked/2010/09/17/ipad-light-painting&quot;&gt;via&lt;/a&gt; ]</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Sep 2010 14:23:14 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Blazecock Pileon</dc:creator>		<category>art</category>		<category>animation</category>		<category>stopmotion</category>		<category>stop</category>		<category>motion</category>		<category>ipad</category>		<category>dentsu</category>		<category>berg</category>
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		<title>By: brundlefly</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/95817/Making-Future-Magic#3287046</link>	
		<description>Neat!</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Sep 2010 14:26:43 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>brundlefly</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: joelf</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/95817/Making-Future-Magic#3287049</link>	
		<description>I love the stills, the video, not so much...</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Sep 2010 14:27:08 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Joe Beese</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/95817/Making-Future-Magic#3287067</link>	
		<description>Sort of ironic that I can&apos;t watch the video on this iPad.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Sep 2010 14:37:25 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Joe Beese</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: Burhanistan</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/95817/Making-Future-Magic#3287084</link>	
		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.metafilter.com/95817/Making-Future-Magic#3287067&quot; title=&quot;Joe Beese wrote in comment #3287067&quot;&gt;&amp;gt;&lt;/a&gt; &lt;i&gt;Sort of ironic that I can&apos;t watch the video on this iPad.&lt;/i&gt;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBwYcUxdys8&quot;&gt;YouTube link for iOS.&lt;/a&gt;</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Sep 2010 14:50:19 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Burhanistan</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: jedicus</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/95817/Making-Future-Magic#3287087</link>	
		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://vimeo.com/14958082&quot;&gt;The original, non-embedded Vimeo version&lt;/a&gt; should also work on the iPad</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Sep 2010 14:52:11 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>jedicus</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: Blazecock Pileon</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/95817/Making-Future-Magic#3287089</link>	
		<description>Thanks, jedicus.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Sep 2010 14:53:27 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Blazecock Pileon</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: egypturnash</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/95817/Making-Future-Magic#3287113</link>	
		<description>Pretty clever. Though starting the video with an explanation of &lt;em&gt;exactly how you did the trick&lt;/em&gt; kinda ruins the &quot;future magic&quot;. Let us try to figure it out &lt;em&gt;before&lt;/em&gt; telling us how you did it, maybe the ways we think you did it will lead to us doing something equally cool!</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Sep 2010 15:08:31 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>egypturnash</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: The Whelk</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/95817/Making-Future-Magic#3287117</link>	
		<description>preeeeeeeeeeeeeety.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Sep 2010 15:12:19 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>The Whelk</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: blue_beetle</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/95817/Making-Future-Magic#3287196</link>	
		<description>It would work better with an AMOLED screen. (less back light) Maybe a samsung android tablet?</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Sep 2010 16:15:04 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>blue_beetle</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: Greg_Ace</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/95817/Making-Future-Magic#3287251</link>	
		<description>While this is a pretty nifty trick and sort of a nice effect, it seems like a very labor-intensive &quot;going around your elbow to scratch your ass&quot; way of doing something they could have done as well or better with existing CGI tools.  Unless there&apos;s some other potential application here that I&apos;m not seeing.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Sep 2010 17:05:51 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Casimir</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/95817/Making-Future-Magic#3287270</link>	
		<description>I&apos;m a bit skeptical of the &apos;locationally aware&apos; claim- it looks like the sequence was just a movie clip that played out dumbly while the people moved the iPads as smoothly as they could.  Although I suppose the device would have an accelerometer, I don&apos;t see Apple making it too easy to interface with.  

Cool idea, though.  Needs more robots.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Sep 2010 17:20:50 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Casimir</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: rageagainsttherobots</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/95817/Making-Future-Magic#3287287</link>	
		<description>This is really innovative. I think another project will really refine the execution.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Sep 2010 17:38:27 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: setanor</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/95817/Making-Future-Magic#3287371</link>	
		<description>&lt;i&gt;It would work better with an AMOLED screen. (less back light)&lt;/i&gt;

I actually think the glow from the backlight is what really makes this interesting...</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Sep 2010 18:54:57 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>setanor</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: i_have_a_computer</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/95817/Making-Future-Magic#3287389</link>	
		<description>&amp;gt; &lt;i&gt; Sort of ironic that I can&apos;t watch the video on this iPad&lt;/i&gt;

Well, their embedded Flash player would not work on my laptop.  

So I guess the ultimate irony is that I had to use my iPad to get access to Vimeo&apos;s HTML5 video player in order to see this video, which I am now currently watching on my iPad, mounted on my Apple //c, as I type this comment on my MacBook while simultaneously enjoying a glass of wine.

The future is now.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Sep 2010 19:12:04 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>i_have_a_computer</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: swift</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/95817/Making-Future-Magic#3287416</link>	
		<description>Extrude the light.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Sep 2010 19:41:01 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>swift</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: Hildegarde</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/95817/Making-Future-Magic#3287436</link>	
		<description>Uh....I just watched it on an iPad. So...yeah.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Sep 2010 19:51:23 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Hildegarde</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: buriednexttoyou</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/95817/Making-Future-Magic#3287490</link>	
		<description>Loved the video. When they start really messing with the speed at which they &quot;extrude&quot; the letters, and things get crazy... man! I dig it.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Sep 2010 20:48:37 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>buriednexttoyou</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: kozad</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/95817/Making-Future-Magic#3287526</link>	
		<description>Etch-a-Sketch.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Sep 2010 21:28:26 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Soupisgoodfood</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/95817/Making-Future-Magic#3287589</link>	
		<description>&lt;i&gt;Although I suppose the device would have an accelerometer, I don&apos;t see Apple making it too easy to interface with. &lt;/i&gt;

Why not? Checked the developer APIs?</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Sep 2010 22:54:29 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: delmoi</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/95817/Making-Future-Magic#3287593</link>	
		<description>&lt;i&gt;it seems like a very labor-intensive &quot;going around your elbow to scratch your ass&quot; way of doing something they could have done as well or better with existing CGI tools.&lt;/i&gt;

What would be the point of doing that, though? People enjoy playing around with &apos;low-tech&apos; special effects. 

Although, obviously &apos;low-tech&apos; isn&apos;t really the right word here, maybe &apos;in camera&apos;? But I don&apos;t think as many people know what that means.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Sep 2010 22:59:47 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>delmoi</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: delmoi</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/95817/Making-Future-Magic#3287598</link>	
		<description>And the other thing is that even though you can obviously have floating leters using CG, you get a certain &apos;look&apos; doing it this way, and getting that look might be difficult with off the shelf software. So for a short project, this might be easier if you&apos;re not someone who knows how to really get in and script and tweak the software. 

In fact getting &lt;i&gt;radiosity&lt;/i&gt; would be really difficult without either modeling the entire environment, or adding it via photoshop.  Both of which I wouldn&apos;t consider labor unintensive.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Sep 2010 23:02:03 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: seagull.apollo</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/95817/Making-Future-Magic#3287637</link>	
		<description>&lt;em&gt;While this is a pretty nifty trick and sort of a nice effect, it seems like a very labor-intensive &quot;going around your elbow to scratch your ass&quot; way of doing something they could have done as well or better with existing CGI tools. Unless there&apos;s some other potential application here that I&apos;m not seeing.&lt;/em&gt;

You&apos;re missing the point.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Sep 2010 00:53:11 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>seagull.apollo</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: seagull.apollo</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/95817/Making-Future-Magic#3287639</link>	
		<description>Being that the creators use a combination of powerful digital technology and what I can only imagine must have been a real-world pain-in-the-ass amount of time and effort to create something that stimulates thought and discussion.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Sep 2010 01:00:56 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>seagull.apollo</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: Casimir</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/95817/Making-Future-Magic#3287912</link>	
		<description>&lt;em&gt;Why not? Checked the developer APIs?&lt;/em&gt;

Fair enough.  
I guess what triggered my skeptical reaction was that there was no demonstration of the program linking a frame in the animation with a slice of physical space.  If the guy had moved the iPad back and forth for the demo, scanning through the frames as though the overall object were persistently anchored in space, instead of the straight extrusion, I would be more convinced of the claim of   &apos;locational awareness&apos;, is what I&apos;m saying.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Sep 2010 11:34:22 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Casimir</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: caaaaaam</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/95817/Making-Future-Magic#3288369</link>	
		<description>The 3-D extrusion aspect is neat, but the content strikes me as kind of sterile (mostly just fancy, pre-determined text).

While the technology is far lower-tech, I really like the light painting that the &lt;a href=&quot;http://tochka.jp/pikapika/&quot;&gt;PikaPika group&lt;/a&gt; does.  (For example, see the video for &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_Sq0O_XDsU&quot;&gt;this advertisement&lt;/a&gt;.)   Although their technique doesn&apos;t produce nearly as slick-looking a result, part of the appeal, I think, is the accessibility and the spontaneity.  And the fact that they seem to be spending a lot of time just going around letting people play with their lights and camera&#8212; letting people bring characters to life and otherwise doodle in their environment.

Perhaps there&apos;s something even more exciting if we were to look at the intersection of these two approaches?  You could probably use an iPhone as an advanced light source where, for example, the radius of the light depended on the acceleration of your hand (for a fake brush-stroke appearance), or the color could be tied to orientation.  Or it could render simple dynamic cross-sections for extrusion... &lt;small&gt;okay, who wants to lend me their iPhone?&lt;/small&gt;</description>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Sep 2010 03:13:08 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>caaaaaam</dc:creator>
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