Comments on: The eeriest places in New York City

The eeriest places in New York City

2bucksplus — Fri, 01 Oct 2010 12:19:08 -0800

Over the decades nature has reclaimed southern Edgemere. Groves of trees, acres of bushes, wild flowers, rabbits, and flocks of birds all thrive within sight of the nearby elevated MTA line. However, few people can be seen walking through this no-mans-land, perhaps because of its history of wild dog attacks. In 2001, two Rockaway residents "were brutalized by a pack of wild dogs" in the Arverne Urban Renewal Area, according to The Wave. The dogs came from an abandoned block, "stalked" their first victim, and "dragged him off the boardwalk onto an adjacent lot and began consuming his flesh," according to The Wave. In spite of this, several homeless camps are currently hidden deep in the Edgemere overgrowth. Some are as simple as a mattress tossed in the bushes or a sofa placed in a clearing. Others are more elaborate, including one camp with platform beds on a stone patio surrounded by a garden and fence. Another camp is large enough to house several families.

The place is Edgemere, Queens, New York, where for nearly 4 decades an entire neighborhood has sat vitually empty on abandoned ocean front property.

By: jedicus

jedicus — Fri, 01 Oct 2010 12:26:50 -0800

I fail to understand the economics of this. Given the cost of real estate in New York, why wouldn't this be developed? Alternatively, why wasn't it at least eminent domained and turned into a park?

By: Horace Rumpole

Horace Rumpole — Fri, 01 Oct 2010 12:28:47 -0800

"more than $1 billion... enclosed amusement area on the Arverne site, to be called Destination Technodome, with rides, movie theaters, an indoor ski slope and a hotel." Oh, I would give anything to visit a place called Destination Technodome. I would totally call all my friends and say "I'm calling you ... from the FUTURE!"

By: Threeway Handshake

Threeway Handshake — Fri, 01 Oct 2010 12:30:49 -0800

I fail to understand the economics of this. Given the cost of real estate in New York, why wouldn't this be developed? It should just as well be on Mars. A person could leave Washington DC by car, and another could leave that neighborhood by the subway at the same time in a race, and it'd probably end up in a tie.

By: gordie

gordie — Fri, 01 Oct 2010 12:33:48 -0800

It's crappy urban planning day on metafilter!

By: hermitosis

hermitosis — Fri, 01 Oct 2010 12:36:37 -0800

It won't remain empty for long. Looking forward to Edgemere Luxury Condominiums, where every room comes fully equipped with an airhorn and a can of mace.

By: 2bucksplus

2bucksplus — Fri, 01 Oct 2010 12:36:55 -0800

(click the pictures to enlarge, just be sure you're up to date on your Tetanus shot)

By: Space Coyote

Space Coyote — Fri, 01 Oct 2010 12:40:37 -0800

Another odd Queens neighbourhood is Willets Point, where they set the great film Chop Shop.

By: Blazecock Pileon

Blazecock Pileon — Fri, 01 Oct 2010 12:41:53 -0800

It's like the The Road, but with more dirty mattresses.

By: wierdo

wierdo — Fri, 01 Oct 2010 12:42:54 -0800

Threeway Handshake wrote: "It should just as well be on Mars. A person could leave Washington DC by car, and another could leave that neighborhood by the subway at the same time in a race, and it'd probably end up in a tie." I would hope that the distance between NYC and DC wouldn't make much of a difference in a race to Mars.

By: The Whelk

The Whelk — Fri, 01 Oct 2010 12:57:50 -0800

Ah, yes Rockaway, the land of wind and ghosts.

By: ryanrs

ryanrs — Fri, 01 Oct 2010 12:58:56 -0800

It should just as well be on Mars. A person could leave Washington DC by car, and another could leave that neighborhood by the subway at the same time in a race, and it'd probably end up in a tie. There appears to be a real, running subway line that passes through this place. Who rides the subway and where do the trains go? I grew up in the outskirts of the San Francisco Bay Area. There, an "isolated" neighborhood meant dirt roads and private wells. You're telling me that in New York, you can have a subway and still be "desolate"?

By: ben242

ben242 — Fri, 01 Oct 2010 13:01:43 -0800

It looks crusty, sure, but not sure its as bad as the post makes it sound. As viewed on Bing Maps.

By: exogenous

exogenous — Fri, 01 Oct 2010 13:05:06 -0800

Yeah, the close-in satellite view (google's version) shows weird totally overgrown blocks on the ocean and a nearby subway stop (which the MTA planner says is an hour and seven minutes on the A train to Penn Station). Air & Space recently had an article on nearby Floyd Bennett Field. Here's some pictures from the article - neat stuff if you like old airplanes. The airfield is now used for bike racing (among other things I'm sure). I raced there a few times and it was a schlep in a car from Manhattan.

By: JaredSeth

JaredSeth — Fri, 01 Oct 2010 13:06:26 -0800

There appears to be a real, running subway line that passes through this place. Sort of. It's way the hell out on the end of the A train and service can be unreliable at best. My wife and I looked into the properties out in Arverne when they were first being built and it took us so damn long to get out there from Midtown that we could have moved to Philadelphia for a shorter commute.

By: wcfields

wcfields — Fri, 01 Oct 2010 13:07:12 -0800

You're telling me that in New York, you can have a subway and still be "desolate"? The subway service out to Rockaway fucking sucks, and it gets worse if you have to transfer to a shuttle train to go to Far Rockaway/Beach Street. It probably takes an hour at the quickest to get from there to anywhere in Manhattan.

By: nicwolff

nicwolff — Fri, 01 Oct 2010 13:07:13 -0800

A person could leave Washington DC by car, and another could leave that neighborhood by the subway at the same time in a race, and it'd probably end up in a tie. Huh? It's a little over 1 hour on the A train from Greenwich Village to Beach 44th St.

By: foxy_hedgehog

foxy_hedgehog — Fri, 01 Oct 2010 13:08:32 -0800

I ride my bike to the Rockaways all the time (not that far from this place, Jacob Riis park is a prime destination for surfers and beachgoers) and had no idea about this place. Thank you for the post. Is this is another good opportunity to express how much I loathe Robert Moses?

By: stargell

stargell — Fri, 01 Oct 2010 13:10:00 -0800

I am pleased to see my New York City tax dollars being put to such excellent use. Right down to the wheelchair rumble strips.

By: djb

djb — Fri, 01 Oct 2010 13:10:14 -0800

Did anyone else read that as Destination Technodrome?

By: The Bellman

The Bellman — Fri, 01 Oct 2010 13:10:20 -0800

You're telling me that in New York, you can have a subway and still be "desolate"? There are 842 miles of track in the New York City subway system (about 650 of which are for riders). Try to get your head around that for a minute. It's . . . .it's a hell of a system, for all its faults.

By: adamms222

adamms222 — Fri, 01 Oct 2010 13:10:22 -0800

ryanrs: It's the A train, which runs through Queens-Manhattan-Brooklyn and services, among other places, JFK Airport. Edgemere is not a vast wasteland, by any means, and actually sits next to some well-populated neighborhoods in the Rockaways section of the city. Believe it or not, there's still quite a bit of open land in NYC. Both Brooklyn's Red Hook and midtown Manhattan's west side remained quite barren until very recently (all it takes sometimes is the right placement of an Ikea or Fairway to bring the crowds around).

By: blaneyphoto

blaneyphoto — Fri, 01 Oct 2010 13:28:00 -0800

Google maps link for a bit more perspective on how isolated this place is (or isn't).

By: KingEdRa

KingEdRa — Fri, 01 Oct 2010 13:30:37 -0800

Seconding Threeway Handshake's analysis. I spent my summers in the Rockaways and still (for the moment) have a winterized bungalow not too far from there in Roxbury. It's actually faster and easier for me to get to Manhattan by driving 90 minutes from Ulster County NY than it is to take a subway or (god help me) a bus. Many of the residents rarely leave the peninsula, except to work, and if you work in Manhattan, you're not getting home until almost 7:30-8 PM-- if you leave your office at 5. If you look at the Rockaway Peninsula on a map, its isolation from the rest of NYC is contributing factor in its lack of economic development. As far as eminent domaining it goes, how do you think it got that way in the first place? Robert Moses cleared out the bungalows and then the 70's happened. Rockaway is literally locked in time and geography as a place in NYC where the last 20 years never really occured. What doesn't help is the resistance of residents in the area to anything more than a nominal presence by City services. I don't even have sewers at my place-- not because the city won't put them in--they offered to do that 15 years ago FOR FREE-- but because the (white) people down there resent the city's "intrusion into our private affairs" Not surprisingly, Tea Party sentiment is pretty strong among them, so that even though the official party line is Democrat and there is a significant (and largely poor) African American population, it's the equivalent of a red-neck outpost in NY. There aren't a lot of City Council members sympathetic to the Rockaway's political leanings, so it gets passed over a lot in development/revitalization schemes these days. Wow. Never realized how much I don't like it there anymore after reading this in preview. Anyone wanna buy a bungalow?

By: ryanrs

ryanrs — Fri, 01 Oct 2010 13:59:49 -0800

There are 842 miles of track in the New York City subway system [..] Try to get your head around that for a minute. Huh, triple digits and an inconvenient commute to Manhattan. This talk of isolation still sounds kind of funny, but I guess it's all relative.

By: jonmc

jonmc — Fri, 01 Oct 2010 18:48:58 -0800

Eh, leave it alone.

By: EmpressCallipygos

EmpressCallipygos — Fri, 01 Oct 2010 20:46:01 -0800

Both Brooklyn's Red Hook and midtown Manhattan's west side remained quite barren until very recently (all it takes sometimes is the right placement of an Ikea or Fairway to bring the crowds around). Um....Red Hook hasn't exactly been "barren". The Fairway is on the site of an old coffee factory from the 1800's. There've been people living there WELL before the days of Ikea. People started settling there in 1636, for God's sake. "Barren" doesn't mean "untouched by Starbucks'."

By: fshgrl

fshgrl — Fri, 01 Oct 2010 22:52:36 -0800

Developing anything that close to the ocean seems like a not so great idea these days anyway. How much sea level rise would it take to make the rail line ocean front?

By: Rarebit Fiend

Rarebit Fiend — Sat, 02 Oct 2010 06:22:51 -0800

It looks like a good location for a cricket stadium.

By: From Bklyn

From Bklyn — Sat, 02 Oct 2010 08:06:09 -0800

A friend of mine caught not one but three blue(?) sharks just down the beach at Fort Tilden this past summer (they were small (4 feet +) granted, but still sharks!). It's always a bit of a surprise to go out. There and remember that NYC is fundamentally a port town that exists only for the ocean, however much it has largely ignored it for the last forty years.

By: heatvision

heatvision — Sun, 03 Oct 2010 06:39:51 -0800

Having recently gorged myself on The Road, Oryx and Crake, and a big bunch of JG Ballard, this looks totally normal.

By: zvs

zvs — Mon, 04 Oct 2010 01:41:58 -0800

In college I hung out here a lot to do charcoal drawings. One day I was reading a neighborhood blog and saw that somebody had been shot from the roof of the nearby project, about a block from where I'd been standing. I stopped going after that. Tremendously eerie place. There's a basketball hoop half-buried in sand down there. This photoset lacks the brand-new paving and street signs visible in some parts of the neighborhood, even on roads that just fade into the brush. Forgotten NY did a great series there too.