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	<title>Comments on: Remember the seed-germ</title>
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		<title>Remember the seed-germ</title>
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		<description>Shortly before his 1924 death in penniless obscurity, architect &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Sullivan&quot;&gt;Louis Sullivan&lt;/a&gt;
was commissioned by the Art Institute of Chicago to produce his final work:
&lt;em&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0871300184/metafilter-20/ref=nosim/&quot;&gt;A System of Architectural Ornament According with a Philosophy of Man&apos;s Powers&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;,
a series of &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.artic.edu/aic/collections/artwork/131541&quot;&gt;intricate illustrations&lt;/a&gt;,
&lt;a href=&quot;http://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://gilesphillips.com/sullivan-grammar/sullivan-soao/sullivan-plate-04.tiff&quot;&gt;unfolding diagrams&lt;/a&gt;,
and &lt;a href=&quot;http://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://gilesphillips.com/sullivan-grammar/sullivan-soao/Sullivan-A_System_of_Architectural_Ornament-transcript.pdf&quot;&gt;accompanying descriptions&lt;/a&gt;
outlining Sullivan&apos;s somewhat opaque aesthetic theories. In 2006, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.gilesphillips.com/&quot;&gt;Giles Phillips&lt;/a&gt; interpreted these plates into
a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.gilesphillips.com/sullivan-grammar/shape_grammar.html&quot;&gt;shape grammar&lt;/a&gt; of 23 rules with which Sullivan&apos;s elaborate forms may be distilled into
a series of basic transformations. Moreover, he helpfully put the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.gilesphillips.com/blog/?p=81&quot;&gt;entire book online&lt;/a&gt; for your viewing pleasure. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;All twenty plates available on Phillips&apos;s site are linked below for convenient Google Viewer access:
 
- &lt;a href=&quot;http://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://gilesphillips.com/sullivan-grammar/sullivan-soao/sullivan-plate-01.tiff&quot;&gt;The Inorganic&lt;/a&gt;
- &lt;a href=&quot;http://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://gilesphillips.com/sullivan-grammar/sullivan-soao/sullivan-plate-02.tiff&quot;&gt;Manipulation of the Organic&lt;/a&gt;
- &lt;a href=&quot;http://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://gilesphillips.com/sullivan-grammar/sullivan-soao/sullivan-plate-03.tiff&quot;&gt;Manipulation of the Inorganic&lt;/a&gt;
- &lt;a href=&quot;http://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://gilesphillips.com/sullivan-grammar/sullivan-soao/sullivan-plate-04.tiff&quot;&gt;Fluent Geometry &lt;em&gt;and&lt;/em&gt; The Awakening of the Pentagon&lt;/a&gt;
- &lt;a href=&quot;http://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://gilesphillips.com/sullivan-grammar/sullivan-soao/sullivan-plate-05.tiff&quot;&gt;The Value of Axes [Life is Infinite]&lt;/a&gt;
- &lt;a href=&quot;http://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://gilesphillips.com/sullivan-grammar/sullivan-soao/sullivan-plate-06.tiff&quot;&gt;Manipulation of Variants on a Given Axial Theme&lt;/a&gt;
- &lt;a href=&quot;http://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://gilesphillips.com/sullivan-grammar/sullivan-soao/sullivan-plate-07.tiff&quot;&gt;The Values of Parallel Axes&lt;/a&gt;
- &lt;a href=&quot;http://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://gilesphillips.com/sullivan-grammar/sullivan-soao/sullivan-plate-08.tiff&quot;&gt;Further Development [Parallelism]&lt;/a&gt;
- &lt;a href=&quot;http://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://gilesphillips.com/sullivan-grammar/sullivan-soao/sullivan-plate-09.tiff&quot;&gt;Interlude: The Doctrine of Parallelism&lt;/a&gt; (no pictures on this one)
- &lt;a href=&quot;http://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://gilesphillips.com/sullivan-grammar/sullivan-soao/sullivan-plate-10.tiff&quot;&gt;Fluent Parallelism [Non-Euclidean]&lt;/a&gt;
- &lt;a href=&quot;http://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://gilesphillips.com/sullivan-grammar/sullivan-soao/sullivan-plate-11.tiff&quot;&gt;Values of Parallel Planes [Parallelism]&lt;/a&gt;
- &lt;a href=&quot;http://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://gilesphillips.com/sullivan-grammar/sullivan-soao/sullivan-plate-12.tiff&quot;&gt;Values of Overlap and Overlay&lt;/a&gt;
- &lt;a href=&quot;http://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://gilesphillips.com/sullivan-grammar/sullivan-soao/sullivan-plate-13.tiff&quot;&gt;Interpenetration with Resultant Forms and Development&lt;/a&gt;
- &lt;a href=&quot;http://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://gilesphillips.com/sullivan-grammar/sullivan-soao/sullivan-plate-14.tiff&quot;&gt;Fantasy: a Study of Curves in Three Dimensions&lt;/a&gt;
- &lt;a href=&quot;http://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://gilesphillips.com/sullivan-grammar/sullivan-soao/sullivan-plate-15.tiff&quot;&gt;Values of the Multiple Leaf [Differential Energy]&lt;/a&gt;
- &lt;a href=&quot;http://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://gilesphillips.com/sullivan-grammar/sullivan-soao/sullivan-plate-16.tiff&quot;&gt;Impromptu!&lt;/a&gt;
- &lt;a href=&quot;http://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://gilesphillips.com/sullivan-grammar/sullivan-soao/sullivan-plate-17.tiff&quot;&gt;A Geometrical Play-Ground&lt;/a&gt;
- &lt;a href=&quot;http://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://gilesphillips.com/sullivan-grammar/sullivan-soao/sullivan-plate-18.tiff&quot;&gt;[Untitled]&lt;/a&gt;
- &lt;a href=&quot;http://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://gilesphillips.com/sullivan-grammar/sullivan-soao/sullivan-plate-19.tiff&quot;&gt;[Untitled]&lt;/a&gt;
- &lt;a href=&quot;http://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://gilesphillips.com/sullivan-grammar/sullivan-soao/sullivan-plate-20.tiff&quot;&gt;Finis&lt;/a&gt;</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Nov 2010 12:44:55 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: The Whelk</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/97655/Remember-the-seedgerm#3377568</link>	
		<description>The conquest of neoclassical over Sullivanesque is an art history issue that can actually make me physically angry if I dwell on it too much.</description>
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		<title>By: munchingzombie</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/97655/Remember-the-seedgerm#3377580</link>	
		<description>The Guaranty Building (pictured in the &quot;entire book online&quot; link) is in downtown Buffalo. Now, Buffalo has seen better days. Most of her architectural treasures, and there are many, are in some state of disrepair or ruin. 

This building has not been treated with the care it deserves. The area around it is falling apart. And yet, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.google.com/images?client=safari&amp;rls=en&amp;q=guaranty+building+buffalo&amp;oe=UTF-8&amp;um=1&amp;ie=UTF-8&amp;source=og&amp;sa=N&amp;hl=en&amp;tab=wi&amp;biw=1228&amp;bih=673&quot;&gt;take a look at some of the ornamentation&lt;/a&gt; on it. If you could spend a moment on that street you would understand so much of Buffalo: an absolutely gorgeous building and not another soul on the street beside you.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Nov 2010 13:05:33 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: fatbird</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/97655/Remember-the-seedgerm#3377581</link>	
		<description>&lt;i&gt;The conquest of neoclassical over Sullivanesque is an art history issue&lt;/i&gt;

Care to summarize the issue for us?  Or perhaps just link to something and go take a calming walk?</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Nov 2010 13:07:26 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Joe Beese</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/97655/Remember-the-seedgerm#3377582</link>	
		<description>&lt;em&gt;The conquest of neoclassical over Sullivanesque is an art history issue that can actually make me physically angry if I dwell on it too much.&lt;/em&gt;

A subjugation that also angered Ayn Rand, who used Sullivan as the model for the Henry Cameron character in &lt;em&gt;The Fountainhead&lt;/em&gt;.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Nov 2010 13:09:35 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: fiercecupcake</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/97655/Remember-the-seedgerm#3377589</link>	
		<description>Thank you, thank you!

I went to school in &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auditorium_Building&quot;&gt;this building&lt;/a&gt;, and I still miss its little details. I appreciated the heck out of that building. To be surrounded with such beauty, in such surprising places -- the air registers and grates and the gorgeous spaces behind plain institutional doors! The Auditorium itself is marvelous, too, and not to be missed if you like this kind of thing.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carson,_Pirie,_Scott_and_Company_Building&quot;&gt;Carson Pirie Scott&lt;/a&gt; was another Chicago Sullivan; I used to just go and stand at the front entrance and marvel at all the details.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Nov 2010 13:14:29 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: LionIndex</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/97655/Remember-the-seedgerm#3377590</link>	
		<description>Of course you know, ornament is &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ornament_and_crime&quot;&gt;criminal&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Nov 2010 13:15:27 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Faze</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/97655/Remember-the-seedgerm#3377615</link>	
		<description>&lt;i&gt;The conquest of neoclassical over Sullivanesque is an art history issue that can actually make me physically angry if I dwell on it too much.&lt;/i&gt;

The triumph of Corbusierian modernism over neoclassical and Sullivanesque is an art history issue that makes me physically angry if I dwell on it too much -- because I dwell &lt;em&gt;in&lt;/em&gt; it too much.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Nov 2010 13:29:27 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: theodolite</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/97655/Remember-the-seedgerm#3377620</link>	
		<description>&lt;em&gt;A subjugation that also angered Ayn Rand, who used Sullivan as the model for the Henry Cameron character in The Fountainhead.&lt;/em&gt;

I suppose there had to be one thing Rand and I could agree on.

&lt;em&gt;Carson Pirie Scott was another Chicago Sullivan; I used to just go and stand at the front entrance and marvel at all the details.&lt;/em&gt;

The iron facade was completely restored this year and it looks incredible. I walk past it every day -- photographs really don&apos;t do it justice. It&apos;s one of those rare things where both the massive scale and fine detail are equally overwhelming.

&lt;em&gt;Of course you know, ornament is criminal.&lt;/em&gt;

Breaking the law, breaking the lawww</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Nov 2010 13:30:46 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: hwestiii</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/97655/Remember-the-seedgerm#3377629</link>	
		<description>fiercecupcake, the Carson, Pirie, Scott bulding in Chicago is currently being renovated as residential complex named, appropriately, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.harboearch.com/getProject.php?projname=sullivancenter&quot;&gt;Sullivan Center&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Nov 2010 13:32:24 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: fiercecupcake</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/97655/Remember-the-seedgerm#3377641</link>	
		<description>Oh, I can&apos;t wait to see it next time I&apos;m in Chicago! Thanks for the update, both of y&apos;all. It broke my heart when CPS closed -- I was worried as to what would happen to the building. I had kind of avoided looking it up, just in case.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Nov 2010 13:37:29 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: bearwife</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/97655/Remember-the-seedgerm#3377651</link>	
		<description>Wow.  Have loved Louis Sullivan since we studied his work in college (American Art and Architecture) and I had the joy of walking past one of his buildings, in Greenwich Village, every day for the 3 months I lived down the street from it.  It never got old.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Nov 2010 13:45:13 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Iridic</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/97655/Remember-the-seedgerm#3377666</link>	
		<description>&lt;em&gt;Care to summarize the issue for us?&lt;/em&gt; 

The big architectural opportunity of the late nineteenth century was Chicago&apos;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World%27s_Columbian_Exposition&quot;&gt;Columbian Exhibition&lt;/a&gt;. 27 million fairgoers and thousands of exhibits required over 200 new buildings. 

Daniel Burnham, the architect in charge of the general design of the fair, could have seized the chance to showcase the American design vernacular that Sullivan and a few fellow &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_LeBaron_Jenney&quot;&gt;Jenney&lt;/a&gt; acolytes were bringing forth. Can you imagine? Thousands upon thousands of neonate designers coming home from the fair with &lt;a href=&quot;http://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://web.mit.edu/gilesp/www/4560/sullivan-soao/sullivan-plate-10.tif&quot;&gt;fluent non-Euclidean parallelisms&lt;/a&gt; in their heads? What a country we might have had!

Instead, Burnham went &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beaux-Arts_architecture&quot;&gt;Beaux Arts&lt;/a&gt;; so went the nation. Not that the Exhibition&apos;s buildings weren&apos;t gorgeous, but where we might have had a revolution, we had lots of small town banks done up like the Parthenon.</description>
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		<title>By: qxntpqbbbqxl</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/97655/Remember-the-seedgerm#3377787</link>	
		<description>I&apos;d never heard of a shape grammar before, but I &lt;i&gt;love&lt;/i&gt; it.  Now I want some machine-readable art deco grammars please.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Nov 2010 14:54:40 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Capt. Renault</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/97655/Remember-the-seedgerm#3377827</link>	
		<description>Excellent stuff.  Thanks, theodolite!</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Nov 2010 15:24:08 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Short Attention Sp</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/97655/Remember-the-seedgerm#3377953</link>	
		<description>It&apos;s only a short stroll around Chicago&apos;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.gracelandcemetery.org/&quot;&gt;Graceland Cemetery&lt;/a&gt; pond from &lt;a href=&quot;http://farm1.static.flickr.com/130/375165333_320e4ca2f7.jpg&quot;&gt;Sullivan&apos;s&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.prairiestyles.com/images/architects/sullivan_l/l_sullivan_grave_r.jpg&quot;&gt;grave&lt;/a&gt; to &lt;a href=&quot;http://s3.amazonaws.com/findagrave/photos/2001/222/vanderrohemies.jpg&quot;&gt;Mies van der Rohe&apos;s&lt;/a&gt;, who distilled Sullivan&apos;s dictum that &quot;form ever follows function&quot; by eschewing the ornamentation that Sullivan was so good at.

And it&apos;s an even shorter stroll from there to Sullivan&apos;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://farm1.static.flickr.com/100/258239106_ef14030535_b.jpg&quot;&gt;Getty Tomb&lt;/a&gt; (1890), sometimes said to be the beginning of modern architecture in America. Note the filligree on the bronze gates, prefiguring the Carson Pirie Scott Building by nine years.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Nov 2010 17:08:42 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: dhartung</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/97655/Remember-the-seedgerm#3378060</link>	
		<description>I&apos;ve &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.metafilter.com/59296/The-Mile-High-Collection#1615707&quot;&gt;written before&lt;/a&gt; about the Sullivan elevator grilles that my parents rescued from the demolition of the Chicago Stock Exchange. The trading room was salvaged by someone else and eventually ended up reconstructed inside the Art Institute of Chicago; and the Museum of Modern Art has one of the grilles (as did, ca. 1988, Goldman Sachs), though I have no idea where the ones we used to own went to after they were finally sold.</description>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Nov 2010 19:19:58 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: statolith</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/97655/Remember-the-seedgerm#3378451</link>	
		<description>There&apos;s a great new documentary out about Louis Sullivan, called &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.louissullivanfilm.com/&quot;&gt;Louis Sullivan: The Struggle for American Architecture&lt;/a&gt;. I saw it at the Full Frame Doc festival this year and was very moved. I came home and scoured the web looking for these plates, finally finding only a few of them in various places. Thanks for this!</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Nov 2010 07:12:20 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: klausness</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/97655/Remember-the-seedgerm#3391971</link>	
		<description>There&apos;s a great book that just came out about Louis Sullivan: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0966027329/metafilter-20/ref=nosim/&quot;&gt;The Complete Architecture of Adler &amp;amp; Sullivan&lt;/a&gt;.  The book was apparently started over fifty years ago (the original photographer was, sadly, killed while photographing the demolition of one of Sullivan&apos;s buildings), and it&apos;s amazingly comprehensive.  Expensive, but well worth it for Sullivan fans.</description>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Nov 2010 09:46:05 -0800</pubDate>
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