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Animal Abuser, Catsaw, Kills Cats Claiming Animal Advocacy. Similar to the Youtube Cat Lady who became notorious for being caught on CCTV throwing a cat into a garbage bin, a suspected animal abuser under the pseudonym, Catsaw, has been mimicking the movie SAW by posting riddle games threatening to torture and kill cats if netizens do not play along. Apparently, the person has already tortured then killed one cat and is holding another one hostage claiming that they will kill it tonight at 10:00 P.M. The twist? Catsaw is claiming that they are doing this to bring awareness to how people treat animals cruelly.

I apologise for the Korean language sources, there has been no news sources in English. I have posted a rough translation of Catsaw's letters at the bottom of this post. Originally, the letters were embedded into very graphic photos of a tortured cat named Chacha and another cat behind a suggestive chloroform jar. I have decided not to post the pictures themselves on Metafilter. Catsaw originally posted the photos and letters to the Korean language Dcinside cat gallery. Furthermore, this is the Korean language MBC News site and this is a related Metafilter post.

These are the letters posted by Catsaw (please forgive any translation errors):

"Letter 1.
Title: Hello, guys in Yaongi gallery
Hello, guys in Yaongi gallery. I have been doubts about your careless in your own cats for months. Why people who badly want a cat don’t care their cats when they finally have their cat?
There is a cat named ‘Cha cha’. Now she (maybe) is suffering, though.
If you guys play simple game with me, this cat will come back her home after a cure for damages. The rule of first game is simple. You have to persuade me not to kill the cat without abuse and debasement. If you break the rule or delete this letter, poor ‘Cha cha’ will be back with a cold body.
Well, why don’t we start this game?

Letter 2.
Title: Let’s start the second game
(posted a picture of a bottle of Chloroform, and could see a cat behind the bottle.)
Cha cha was already killed. It might be started to rot under drain. What caused Chacha’s dead? My saw? Or typing keyboard by exemplary citizens having trifling morals?
Well, my answer is both of them. Physically my saw and hands which broke the neck, and the other one is typing. I would like to give a second chance. You may see a cat in the picture above. I didn’t cut the arms or something. Why? There is lack of trust. (What is related b/w not cutting arms and trust..?) I know that you guys do not fully trust me. However, you may say with a true heart “don’t kill the cat” if I try to kill the cat with a brick. It’s because I have already proved that I can kill a cat (maybe Cha cha). You will give your answer until 10pm tomorrow. If not, you will see terrible picture. However, there will be nothing happened if you give a exact answer. So, my questions are,

1. How much will be life if exchange life to money?
(First of all, there is a basis. Do you know why the US government did not introduce XM8(kind of weapon. You can find w/ googling)? It’s money. It’s quite clear that a survival rate of soldiers will be increased if using XM8, but why didn’t introduce XM8? Life is more worthless than money? Yes to them.

2. Is the life of cat and human even? If yes, why? If no, why not?

3. Justify the dog soup with 20 reasons.
Except for 1 the answers are simple, right? Think carefully and discuss.
Now I recognized that it is more like watching not a game if I take too much initiative. Thus, I decided to take over some leadership. Let’s do the Mafia game. (you may know this game. Korean people do this game when drinking alcohol. However, I don’t know this game. You can ask other friends.)

I’m going to out of PC ban(PC room), then I will galling(doing sth in Yaongi gallery, like googling) using floating nickname at home. If you will find me and report to police, you win. However, there is a prior condition. It’s evidence. I don’t even have a cat how the cop arrest me. I have already handled hairs of cat and cleaned things on this game.
Let’s get started. I will give some hints on me.
-The symbol of element : O2
-Word : C.W
-Number : 4
-English world : today

And, alba(alba means person working as part time job. In this letter, it will be web site manager)… you better not shut off my account. I’ve already shut off twice, so I have left only two resident registration numbers. (He may have 3 families except him) Again, if this account is shut off, there will be only one chance to make account. Then, I will feel pressed, it can cause something undesired happening.
I want you to know what I am doing is a demonstration to some people who think light of life, and I anesthetized when sawing."
posted by Knigel (39 comments total)

This post was deleted for the following reason: This is outragefilter. Also, it is hard to see what is redeeming about bringing attention to this. -- vacapinta



 
Everything turned out OK
posted by joelf at 12:20 AM on December 11, 2010


Now this is terrorism.
posted by Catblack at 12:23 AM on December 11, 2010


I wouldn't compare this to the garbage bin incident, on account of the woman's degree of mental illness; however shocking, her actions weren't intended to be as deliberate or exploitative as the NEDM incident, which similarly worked in pop-culture references and sought attention through notariety.
posted by Smart Dalek at 12:23 AM on December 11, 2010


(Silimarly to Catsaw, that is.)
posted by Smart Dalek at 12:24 AM on December 11, 2010


Well that's certainly unpleasant and crazy.

/shrugs.
posted by Artw at 12:25 AM on December 11, 2010


Get this shit off my metafilter.
posted by Avenger at 12:27 AM on December 11, 2010 [6 favorites]


Also, in case you're wondering (and you probably aren't) - no, the XM 8 isn't any kind of exotic superweapon, it's just a rather generic assault rifle. It's not really going to be increasing the survival rate of anyone by all that much.
posted by Artw at 12:28 AM on December 11, 2010


Not to create an ASIA IS WACKY derail, but Asia has enormously different standards for what is and isn't okay to do to an animal. Last time I was at the Seoul Zoo they had a guy whose job it was to wander around and poke the animals with a sharpened chunk of bamboo to get them to scamper for the crowds.

But this guy is actually insane.
posted by GilloD at 12:31 AM on December 11, 2010


i'm having a hell of a hard time following any of this. and NEDM? i don't get that either. i love doom. and kitties. what the hell is going on?

i'm a super mellow dude and have never raised a hand at anyone. a couple summers ago there was a story in the oregonian about some shitbag kid (late teens/early twenties? i forget) in southeast who had killed some cats in a really fucked up way. seeing the picture of the kid in the paper and reading the story was one of the most rage inducing things i've ever experienced. it really really made me want to inflict horrible fucking pain on him. it bummed me out. the story and how i felt.

i'm glad i'm not trying too hard to pay attention to this post.
posted by rainperimeter at 12:34 AM on December 11, 2010


Made me think of a story told by Paul Mavrides

Then in 1969 at Akron University, some friends and I got
together and decided to stage a Vietnam War protest. We
announced we were going to burn a puppy to death with homemade
napalm to demonstrate just how horrible napalm burns are. We
anticipated attracting a large crowd of outraged people who
would show up to stop it, whereupon you announce, "There is no
puppy. There's no napalm. How can you people justify showing up
to save a _dog_, when there's an actual war going on and this
napalm is being used on actual people?" So you embarrass them
and make them feel guilty -- make 'em stop and think.

We announced this, but we didn't anticipate just how outraged,
ignorant, and mob-like people would actually be. None of us got
a chance to announce _anything_ -- the crowd was ready to kill
us on the spot. We had to escape with the help of the University
Police through this network of underground heating tunnels, and
hide out for a couple of hours until the mob dispersed. [...]

posted by klapaucius at 12:38 AM on December 11, 2010 [18 favorites]


Also, while I hope for constructive criticism, please take it easy on me since this is my first post to the front page. I've been waiting a very long time to post something that has not been seen everywhere on the net already. I took a chance with a predominantly Korean language post; however, I hope I have added enough to keep it valuable to Mefites.
posted by Knigel at 12:42 AM on December 11, 2010


I can't even imagine 4chan's reaction to this. Or, mostly, I don't want to.
posted by Mitrovarr at 12:43 AM on December 11, 2010


Catsaw is claiming that they are doing this to bring awareness to how people treat animals cruelly.

Hey, mission accomplished! I am now aware that some douche in Korea is killing cats on the internet for shits and giggles. I really don't see what point is being made.
posted by Hoopo at 12:46 AM on December 11, 2010


This is certainly making me hug my cats.
posted by Navelgazer at 12:48 AM on December 11, 2010


Ugh. For some reason, I just can't take bad stuff happening to cats. I mean, bad stuff is bad stuff, and I hate to see any animal in pain, but for some reason it's twice as bad with cats.

I'm going to go snuggle with one of mine and try to forget this post exists (no offense, Knigel... just couldn't get beyond the concept).
posted by brundlefly at 12:48 AM on December 11, 2010


Not to create an ASIA IS WACKY derail, but Asia has enormously different standards for what is and isn't okay to do to an animal. Last time I was at the Seoul Zoo they had a guy whose job it was to wander around and poke the animals with a sharpened chunk of bamboo to get them to scamper for the crowds.

Asia is more than a dozen different countries. Furthermore, mistreatment of captive animals is not confined to any particular region or peoples of the world.
posted by Mikey-San at 12:49 AM on December 11, 2010 [3 favorites]


This is the worst of the internet. This is the worst of everything.

Just no. Please.
posted by louche mustachio at 12:50 AM on December 11, 2010 [4 favorites]


This is the worst of the internet. This is the worst of everything.

I'd like to point out that while kitties are cute, we've had video linked to this year on metafilter of civilians being mowed down from helicopters and dudes beating and shooting each other on aid flotillas.

Also, my cat is like the best goalie ever and no one can get a toy past her cuz if you go low she'll stop it and if you go high she'll grab it right out of the air and the stare you down like WHAT?!
posted by Hoopo at 1:05 AM on December 11, 2010 [1 favorite]


If anyone wants the photos that include the Korean text, please send me a private message and I will send the links to you. From my understanding, they are harder to find now after most have been removed. The photos show the extent of the cruelty; however, the Korean letters might be useful to anyone wishing for more evidence or wanting to get a better translation.
posted by Knigel at 1:14 AM on December 11, 2010


Knigel, no one wants to see your pictures of tortured cats.

we've had video linked to this year on metafilter of civilians being mowed down from helicopters and dudes beating and shooting each other on aid flotillas.

Increased publicity might make things like that happen less often. Giving increased publicity to monsters who act out for attention gives them an incentive to do more of the same.
posted by justsomebodythatyouusedtoknow at 1:28 AM on December 11, 2010 [1 favorite]


Every once in awhile some marketing team comes up with some contrived video or meme that is designed to 'go viral' or whatever. Occasionally they get posted here, and inevitably someone points out that we are only encouraging them.

Well, that times one thousand or so.
posted by Bokononist at 1:37 AM on December 11, 2010


justsomebodythatyouusedtoknow, that is why I did not post them. As I've mentioned, Catsaw's Korean letters are written in the photos. Since I have not found any English sources, I have offered to send the photos if anyone wishes to verify anything in Korean.

I understand that some people crave attention by breaking social taboos. This is a difficult matter when voluntarily spreading information that helps them in their cause. At the same time, I do not see that as a valid cause for self-censorship. While writing about someone's misdeeds may give them the very attention that they desire, the information may prove useful for other purposes. I hope that through debate, Catsaw and people with similar ideas can understand the mistakes of their reasoning. Through logical discourse, people may realise that what seemed like an intelligent and rational idea at first was not a worthwhile thought to put into action. Logic reveals irrational justifications for malformed deeds.
posted by Knigel at 1:37 AM on December 11, 2010


Yeah, so, Catsaw? Fuck that guy.
posted by Joey Michaels at 1:44 AM on December 11, 2010


I do not believe you.

You do not "hope that through debate Catsaw and people with similar ideas can understand the mistakes of their reasoning".

I'm not going to psychoanalyze you, but I'm calling this out as at best somewhere between a troll and a lie.
posted by Bokononist at 1:45 AM on December 11, 2010


Logic reveals irrational justifications for malformed deeds.

The fundamental lack of empathy that it takes for someone to act out in this way isn't going to be cured by logic.

People who amuse themselves with cruelty are not going to be swayed by some kind of rational explanation of why what they are doing is wrong. Giving them attention that rewards their behavior will most likely escalate that behavior.


Gawking at real death and pain for amusement ... tears chunks out of your soul. That's not the most eloquent way to put it, it's just something I feel.
posted by louche mustachio at 1:56 AM on December 11, 2010 [1 favorite]


Reminds me of good old Randy Lenz
posted by fantodstic at 1:57 AM on December 11, 2010


I love how the predominant reaction is to plug your ears and yell "lalalalalala" at the top of your lungs. Guess what people, if you ignore it, it doesn't go away.

And while Knigel may be a bit naive in his thought that Catsaw and people with similar ideas can understand the mistakes of their reasoning it does not make him a troll, Bokononist. In fact, yours is the comment that adds nothing to the conversation.

Ugly topics need to be discussed. They may not convince the perpetrators that they are wrong, but they bring attention to the topic. If animal abuse was never discussed how would we know to watch for such behavior in small children as a sign of future violent tendencies?
posted by matt_od at 2:07 AM on December 11, 2010 [1 favorite]


Bokononist, you have accused me, but under what reasoning? I assure you that this is a grounding principle to my philosophy. I strongly believe that we should be skeptical of censorship because it prevents us from rational dialogue. From my understanding, people like Catsaw do things like this to get a specific reaction based on knee jerk responses. I think that there is a higher form of debate that I have seen in places like Metafilter that inoculate some pretty stupid ideas. I have tried to be as delicate as possible with this the original post and am not trying to troll or lie to anyone--I would have posted the pictures if I were a troll. I live in Korea and wish to present something from my experience here. This subject has been difficult for me to navigate as well because I love Korea and do not want to seem like I'm bashing the country. I wish I had happier news to post.

louche mustachio, I understand what you are saying. Before I began discussing this subject online, I considered the pros and cons of giving attention to this kind of behaviour. Talking about it could encourage further dastardly behaviour; therefore, I would hate to be responsible for that; however, at the same time, I think that methods like CBT work well because they are able to open up dialogue and bring irrational thoughts to the surface. Rational discussion helps build empathy.
posted by Knigel at 2:09 AM on December 11, 2010


if you ignore it, it doesn't go away.
Animal cruelty won't stop if we ignore it, but animal cruelty as Internet attention-seeking? Definitely best ignored if you're not in a position to hunt down the perpetrator yourself or assist in the same.
posted by Abiezer at 2:13 AM on December 11, 2010


we've had video linked to this year on metafilter of civilians being mowed down from helicopters and dudes beating and shooting each other on aid flotillas

But those were source documents - not re-enactments.

The former has a "sincerity" that the latter does not.

Nothing personal, but please get this shit off our MetaFilter.
posted by Joe Beese at 2:14 AM on December 11, 2010 [1 favorite]


I think that methods like CBT work well because they are able to open up dialogue and bring irrational thoughts to the surface. Rational discussion helps build empathy.

The internet is not a licensed therapist.
posted by louche mustachio at 2:20 AM on December 11, 2010 [2 favorites]


Abiezer, I disagree. Many of the comments here in Korea have been along the lines of "It's just a cat"; however, this has been met by a backlash of people who are opposed to that traditional way of thinking. Koreans have become more aware about the law regarding animal cruelty and have begun pushing to make it stricter. From my understanding, the same thing happened with the youtube Cat Lady. The Internet community watches itself and sees what is not okay. We are social learners.

The great thing about the Internet is that it goes directly into the dark basements of which potentially host seething idées fixes and obsessive thoughts.
posted by Knigel at 2:25 AM on December 11, 2010 [1 favorite]


I'm going to bed. I want this gone by morning.
posted by anazgnos at 2:26 AM on December 11, 2010


This isn't going to win the best post in December contest, I don't think.
posted by allkindsoftime at 2:29 AM on December 11, 2010


> The great thing about the Internet is that it goes directly into the dark basements of which potentially host seething idées fixes and obsessive thoughts.

Also the worst thing about the internet. YMMV.
posted by doublesix at 2:33 AM on December 11, 2010 [1 favorite]


This is a crap post. It's nothing more than rubber necking on a terrible issue without any context except the one you can provide because there aren't any English sources, so at the most it's outrage filter. And it's fucking irresponsible as hell.

And I don't know what sites/comments you're reading Knigel, but a lot of the Korean sources I've read have voiced outrage and shock. In fact, news sources are reporting on the outburst on the net in reaction to this posting and already people online are trying to track this guy down. Again, why I'm finding problem with the lack of even one English report being available to a majority English speaking community. Because it's easy enough for you to make broad stroke statements without anybody challenging you. If you read some trollish comments saying "It's just a cat," it's kind of a shit way to paint an entire nation.

It sounds more like you have an ax to grind about Korea and latched on a chance to make your point by using a really terrible situation.
posted by kkokkodalk at 2:35 AM on December 11, 2010 [1 favorite]


meta.
posted by smoke at 2:36 AM on December 11, 2010


The Internet community watches itself and sees what is not okay. We are social learners.

Do you know how much traffic a front page post drives to a site?

I do, or I have a rough idea. When my blog was an fpp, and not even a very popular one,, it got over 3000 hits in one day. I sat and watched the traffic roll in. It was mesmerizing. I'm not used to getting that kind of attention, so it was a real charge. It certainly encouraged me to try to be a better curator.

What effect do you think that kind of traffic jolt is going to have on someone who is attempting to gain attention for themselves by torturing animals? Do you think it's going to make them think that what they are doing is wrong wake up to their error of their ways? Or do you think that they are going to be encouraged to escalate?
posted by louche mustachio at 2:46 AM on December 11, 2010 [1 favorite]


kkokkodalk, please read my comment again:

"Many of the comments here in Korea have been along the lines of "It's just a cat"; however, this has been met by a backlash of people who are opposed to that traditional way of thinking."

I perhaps should have emphasized that many other sources were opposed to this kind of behaviour in the first place. One of the reasons that I thought this was relevant news was because of "the outburst on the net in reaction to this posting". I'm proud of the backlash against this cruelty. Please do not misunderstand my intentions.

I am looking forward to more English sources. I hope I have portrayed the situation accurately enough to start.
posted by Knigel at 2:47 AM on December 11, 2010


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