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	<title>Comments on: Comments on 9943</title>
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	<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2001 17:47:20 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>Post number 9943</title>
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		<description>&lt;a href="http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/0,,2-2001310179,00.html"&gt;Burn peanut butter not fossil fuels.&lt;/a&gt; Great little piece on a new cell phone charger that you windup to recharge and the promise of a windup charger any application.  I always thought the windup flashlights were great but the &lt;a href=&quot;http://windupradio.com/&quot;&gt;windup radios&lt;/a&gt; with one speaker leave a lot to be desired.</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2001 17:36:47 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>skallas</dc:creator>		<category>cellphones</category>		<category>mobiles</category>		<category>phones</category>		<category>charger</category>		<category>windup</category>		<category>green</category>		<category>energy</category>		<category>brokenlink</category>
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		<title>By: disarray</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/9943/#126987</link>	
		<description>Windup flashlights are an excellent idea in cases of emergency where batteries might be dead or unavailable, and I can see similar utility in keeping a hand-crank charger in the car if one is stranded with no way other way to power the phone. However, I think human laziness will win out over energy efficiency for anything more than occasional use.</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2001 17:47:20 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: xiffix</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/9943/#127006</link>	
		<description>I read about this &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nytimes.com/2001/08/30/technology/circuits/30CRAN.html?searchpv=day07&quot;&gt;last week&lt;/a&gt; in the Circuits section of NYT. I couldn&apos;t help but wonder what &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.co-design.co.uk/victor.htm&quot;&gt;Victor Papanek&lt;/a&gt; would think were he still alive.</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2001 18:35:07 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: bizstone</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/9943/#127035</link>	
		<description>That sounds like &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.realgoods.com/shop/shop5.cfm?dv=5&amp;dp=502&amp;ts=1017326&amp;kw=cell%20phone&quot;&gt;this product&lt;/a&gt; recently spotted in the Real Goods catalog. Genius!</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2001 19:52:22 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: jcterminal</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/9943/#127036</link>	
		<description>hmm... having just become a &apos;cellie&apos; user, i&apos;d have to agree, using a handcrank would be kick ass. specially since i keep forgetting to recharge it each night. :P</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2001 19:52:50 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: dithered</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/9943/#127048</link>	
		<description>I have to agree regarding the shittiness of windup radios.  I could never get anything beyond 30 minutes at very low volume (listenable at 6&apos; in a quiet room) on a full charge with mine.  That was until the coil spring started loosing tension and caused the power-transfer elastic to jump of it&apos;s pulleys and wrap around the gears.  Good idea, lousy implimentation.</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2001 20:29:34 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: stavrosthewonderchicken</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/9943/#127057</link>	
		<description>Now if I could get a windup-PC that was powered by me pedaling my ass off in order to read and post to MeFi, I wouldn&apos;t have this glorious but highly embarrassing beer belly I&apos;m developing....</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2001 21:23:39 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: pracowity</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/9943/#127099</link>	
		<description>&gt; the windup flashlights were great but the windup radios
&gt; with one speaker leave a lot to be desired.

I think those radios were invented (by Englishman &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ogormans.co.uk/Bayliss.htm&quot;&gt;Trevor Baylis&lt;/a&gt;) for people with no access to electricity -- poor folk in the third world, not guys with home PCs (and &lt;i&gt;homes&lt;/i&gt;) and web access and so on. If they don&apos;t compare to your home stereo, well, they weren&apos;t meant to, were they? Are they now selling them to gadgetheads?

As for the wind-up flashlights: they sure beat the solar-powered models.</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2001 22:55:55 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: skallas</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/9943/#127107</link>	
		<description>&lt;I&gt;If they don&apos;t compare to your home stereo, well, they weren&apos;t meant to, were they? Are they now selling them to gadgetheads?&lt;/I&gt;

They&apos;ve been available for some time, heck most radio shacks carry them.  The design, like you mentioned, isn&apos;t exactly taking westerners by storm but expanding the technology into other areas is a good idea. 

 If this catches on I wouldn&apos;t be surprised to see a newer windup design that might power a radio suitable for the beach.  Case in point: a lot of the newer flashlights use new white LEDs and have a battery that&apos;s recharged by hand.  That&apos;s a step up both in price and compexity than the first windup flashlights.  Someone saw a market for these things in homes, camping, etc and made a better product.</description>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2001 23:19:50 -0800</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>skallas</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: gimli</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/9943/#127206</link>	
		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/9.02/baylis.html&quot;&gt;Trevor Baylis &lt;/a&gt;has been working on a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.theelectricshoeco.com/&quot;&gt;piezoelectric shoe sole&lt;/a&gt;, which may be able to charge your cell phone or PDA. There has been research in this area at the MIT Media Lab as well.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2001 07:33:33 -0800</pubDate>
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		<title>By: ewwgene</title>
		<link>http://www.metafilter.com/9943/#127309</link>	
		<description>Damn. Where are all the windup sex toys?

I&apos;m always running out of batteries.</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2001 10:42:54 -0800</pubDate>
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