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"In case you haven't noticed lately, girls are all about that dad bod."

It has always killed me how a lot of my female peers (well, preppy women who were in sororities, mostly) have worked really hard to maintain the same looks they had at 18 and 19 years old--and they do look great, honestly--and ended up marrying men who, at age 26, already looked fifty. It's depressing how many men can do basically no work on their appearances and still demand wives who look 19. I have so many questions about the power dynamics in these marriages.
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posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 8:46 AM on May 2, 2015
I wonder if we could get at some useful stuff by moving away from language about "appropriating" and "stealing" - it seems like those are not useful terms for something as abstract as "having casual sex" or "being attracted to non-cut bodies". (Whereas they're very useful for concrete stuff like "wearing a fake Native headdress to a music festival" or "my college peers from towns just as white as mine breaking out all the AAVE".)… [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 11:22 AM on May 4, 2015

"... a kind of purgatory-themed amusement park"
You know, it makes sense that their albums have para-religious themes, because they're obviously a peasant religious movement, and you could place them in line with the medieval heretics or the followers of Thomas Muntzer, by which I mean a (not without flaws) roughly communistic movement for the dispossessed which tries to articulate meaning for the lives of the totally disregarded and carries an apocalyptic vision of justice. Probably Thomas Muntzer's people looked just as crazy, dirty, etc,… [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 1:19 PM on April 30, 2015
(Just as a clarifying point, too, I admire communist peasant religious movements like all get out. My point isn't "oh, look at this quaint JesusInFacepaint proletarian phenomenon".)
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 1:37 PM on April 30, 2015


Yeah, de gustibus and all, but a religio-communist peasant movement motivated by an apocalyptic vision of justice sounds about as appealing as sitting down to listen to an ICP record. When it comes to communist utopias, I prefer my justice secular, my mise-en-scène Morris, and my score acid folk.


And my guess is that you are neither of a social/cultural background where people tend to become juggalos nor a… [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 2:11 PM on April 30, 2015

Crowdsourced micro-etched emoji of the far lunar future
This is like the Worst Version of science fiction. Private rocket ships are going to the Moon, where they will scribble internet garbage on its surface FOREVER, because great human artistic impulse.

I mean seriously, the moon shouldn't just be a place where anyone who can afford it can go and mess things around.
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 2:15 PM on April 29, 2015
But it's not real, right? This is a joke or a satire or something? It looks real, but I'm pretty gullible.
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 2:20 PM on April 29, 2015
Why should our legacy be sanitized and approved by committee? Why don't we want actual, real people's thoughts up there? Isn't ancient Greek graffitti just as interesting and authentic as their statues? For example? This isn't Virgin Galactic putting their logo on the moon. It's a way for regular people, without paying tens of thousands of dollars, to get their expression someplace that might last a while longer than a single human memory.

I think… [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 7:08 PM on April 29, 2015
But okay, look, the moon does not belong just to the US, or just to Carnegie Mellon. The moon does not belong just to people with internet access and the right set of cultural connections to participate in this. It's a nominally "democratic" process curated by a couple of elite class men at an elite class private institution with sort of a vaguely populist rhetoric. I am very skeptical of "democratic" processes that are basically "huh, putting this out there on the… [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 10:52 AM on April 30, 2015
Do you really think that when and if humans start colonizing space the same shit that happens on Earth isn't going to happen there?

Funny that you should ask, since that's one of the things we routinely discuss in the science fiction classes that I teach. It's one of the earliest themes of science-fiction-as-we-know-it-today, which dates from the space travel romances/colonization of Mars stories of the late nineteenth century. Quite a lot of popular… [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 1:26 PM on April 30, 2015

Have We Seen the End of the 8-Hour Day?
There's a world of difference between someone working sixty or seventy hours a week in interesting work that is respected and someone working sixty hours a week in boring work where you're treated badly and looked down on. Boredom, being treated with disrespect and having no control over your work cause physical stress and erode the health - it's the same as minority stress.

You see this in academia all the time - the seventy year old who is still teaching and… [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 12:31 PM on April 30, 2015

So far I’ve met zero people from Tinder.
I really thought that this was going to go somewhere and yet it didn't. I mean, it seems like the critique of Tinder needs to be something more than "I am not getting hook-ups out of it, possibly because I feel ambivalent about hooking up" crossed with "people spend a LOT of time on Tinder, not unlike when they were obsessed with Angry Birds or Candy Crush except sex, you know".

Also, to me it read like Donald Barthelme, but without the irony or… [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 11:36 AM on April 29, 2015
I three have met zero people on Tinder, possibly because I have never used Tinder, although perhaps this would be true even if I did use Tinder. But is it just for straight people? All the essays I've read about it are by straight people.
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 11:37 AM on April 29, 2015
I think I speak for all straight men when I say: Sigh. Yeah, I know discrimination and stuff is pretty bad. But still. One of my fuck buddies, he says. Man oh man.

What is one of the prices that straight men pay for misogyny? No fuck buddies. (Or at least, a distinct dearth.)

When I think back on when I dated guys - and this is just an anecdote for reference! - there were all kinds of… [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 12:56 PM on April 29, 2015

An inefficiency in the market of underemployed, educated people
Some of us, of course, are just highly educated people who aren't getting funneled into creative or elite work; we're just working class people who have admin gigs because that's the way the ball bounces. Some of us - by which I mean me - just about cried tears of joy when we were hired, because our - and I mean my - jobs carried benefits, regular working hours and a short commute even if they weren't high status or high paying.

In general, writing about American work… [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 12:24 PM on April 28, 2015
Although I should add that it's an interesting essay and I would gladly accept $90,000 - 110,000 a year to be the ninja of personal assistants.
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 12:27 PM on April 28, 2015

A Dispatch From the Shifting, Porous Border Between Butch and Trans

So now, there's a part of me that says "you've been this 'you' for so long, you don't need to transition." But when I see guys who've chosen it, I feel this jealousy and anger: "Why do they get to be themselves and I can't? It's not fair!" (which, of course, feels like my 5 year old self clawing its way back into my consciousness and asking me to make him whole.)


I really feel this.

I wish the… [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 7:02 AM on April 28, 2015

Freddie Gray protests: Governor of Maryland Declares State of Emergency
Cops always abandon dangerous fucking jobs. I mean, if there's one thing I've noticed about protests, and one thing I've noticed about my heavily policed neighborhood, it's that the vulnerable groups are the ones the cops pick on. May I never forget it, the last really violent protest I was in the thick of, the cops were throwing around this tiny girl in her early twenties. And everyone knows that the cops pick people off late in the protest - the ones who are straggling… [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 7:31 PM on April 27, 2015
Okay, yes, looting is bad for the neighborhood in which it happens. Is everyone who handwrings about that going to kick down money or labor to rebuild stuff? If they [not so much people in this thread but the outside world] are so upset about that poor, poor neighborhood, why can't they actually work with organizations that literally rebuild stuff? Why can't they start a foundation to run a co-op drugstore? If you're literally mostly upset about how bad looting is for the looted neighborhood..… [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 6:33 AM on April 28, 2015

Why are you still here?
Aren't Ukip, like, fascists? Richard Seymour just had an article talking about where Ukip actually seems to be drawing most of its votes, and it does not appear to be directly from Labor.

I could be wrong but I have gotten the impression from following this a bit that there are a lot of people outside Ukip (and outside Labor) who want to rebrand it as the party of the forgotten white working class, and that there's been quite an effort in the BBC (a couple of television… [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 5:56 AM on April 25, 2015

A Comprehensive List of Everything Karl Lagerfeld Hates
I actually get a huge kick out of Karl Lagerfeld. He is the only person in the world who can say that he doesn't like fat people, short people, ugly people or intellectual conversations but still seem like an adorable little troll puppet to me.

I would also like a job as a cat servant. I'm already an amateur cat servant, so at least in that case I'd get paid.

Choupette is very pretty. Not as pretty as my cat, but close.
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 9:13 AM on April 24, 2015
Noooooooo, not even a little bit creepy! Yes, far more people should make things like this! Totes....adorbs.
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 9:17 AM on April 24, 2015
What he is, though, is an absolutely fascinating person who lives life entirely on his own terms. I think he's also a hell of a lot smarter than most give him credit for. Also, kind of intensely tragic and alone.

If you have not read The Beautiful Fall, which is full of exceedingly memorable biographical information about both Lagerfeld and Saint Laurent, plus many big fashion names of the seventies and eighties, you totally should. Unless the book is… [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 10:15 AM on April 24, 2015

Colleges and Universities: Non-Free Speech Zones
My goodness...obviously, unless straight white cis men can be paid a lot of money to debate on stage in front of a quiet and attentive audience, eg, whether some races are superior, whether it's acceptable to stone the gays, whether women are lying about sexual assault, etc, etc...why then, we have no free speech!

What this really illustrates is that "free speech" is a civil fiction, not an axiom or a really-existing thing. It's something that in certain areas… [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 6:41 AM on April 24, 2015

When you argue that speech is a zero-sum game -- that is, when you argue "more free speech for you means less for me" -- then you're basically arguing for authoritarianism. You're saying that the Enemy Tribe must be silenced, because more resources for them means less for us.


That's such nonsense. What I'm arguing is that "free speech" is a strategy. Sometimes saying "anyone can say anything they like and we will… [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 7:19 AM on April 24, 2015
Oh, but if their protests have actual results, that's bad, right - you can protest a speaker as much as you like, but only as long as everyone recognizes that your protest will never change anything.
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 7:22 AM on April 24, 2015

I guess that's what bothers me the most about all this. Modern Social Justice has become, basically "Try to figure out who is the underdog in the situation and support them. Figure out who the Oppressor is and attack them". But all of us -- every one of us -- lack the information to make that decision perfectly. We can't even agree if Jews are more oppressed than Palestinians or vice versa.


The interesting thing about this line… [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 9:03 AM on April 24, 2015
I get reminded, too, that I am not as full a member of my institution as a straight person - that it's okay to debate my humanity, but that no one is ever interested in or paid for debating the humanity of straight people.
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 9:05 AM on April 24, 2015

The Professor in the Cage
....Back in the day, there were a bunch of green anarchist dudes who were convinced that fighting each other was a way to build up skills for fighting the man. They had a lot of ideology about toughness, willingness to use violence, etc etc. One night, I was in a mixed-gender group after a meeting. There was a huge storm and it was really late, so I was going to stay over in someone's graduate dorm (not one of the green anarchists; just a sympathizer). We got treated to quite a lot of… [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 8:12 AM on April 24, 2015

Pink Flamingos, Palm Trees, and Class Warfare
My family is responsible for unleashing a lot of crazy nonsense on the world and when the revolution comes I will fully accept my spot near the front of the line, just give me a cigarette and a blindfold so I don't have to spend my final minutes staring at those damn shirts.

I'm afraid that when the revolution comes and the anarchist hordes are baying for blood (with me at their head, that's the way this will work) , I will have to protect you because… [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 7:09 AM on April 24, 2015

The only "preppy" bit of clothing I wish I could find is one of those old school "Norwegian" navy blue wool sweaters with the little white checks that LL Bean used to make. A pal of mine in high school had that sweater, and it looked great. LL Bean doesn't make them anymore.


LL Bean reissued some in the last couple of years, but there are about twenty million squillion billion of the old ones on eBay every winter. They… [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 7:23 AM on April 24, 2015

A Youth Untouched By Social Media
Well, the fact that I do not have a Facebook has gone from making me feel old and boring to making me feel cutting edge and youthful-in-spirit. Perhaps all the other things I have refused to adapt to/adopt will eventually also become old fogey things and I alone will remain timeless.
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 12:26 PM on April 23, 2015

You cannot police me / So get off my areola
The new video is wonderful. Given that I am a prudish person and definitely not the ideal listener for songs about, like, the allure of someone's yoga pants, that's saying something.

Janelle Monae and her collaborators really are creating a new aesthetic that centers women/women of color and that beautifully expresses collective joy.
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 8:59 AM on April 22, 2015
Is the Yoga song/video taking this piss?

I can only say what I see in it, but what I notice immediately:

1. Janelle Monae in her usual position somewhat outside the main narrative of the video, playing the "romantic lead" usually reserved for men.

2. Women doing something physical/sexual who are filmed as whole bodies and whose athleticism is centered; an eroticism that is woman-directed or… [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 9:59 AM on April 22, 2015
Which of the two waitresses fawning over Jidenna is the female viewer supposed to identify with?

That's not really how I read that scene - it's true, it's a weird scene, but it's unfinished, there's no real suggestion that he gets anywhere with either one, they're hardly all over him; my original reading was that we're meant to see them as parodying/performing a sort of ghostly-ideal fantasy woman role which is then totally washed away by the rest of… [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 12:56 PM on April 22, 2015

"There have been struggles; there is no doubt about that. "
That "repeating the cycle" article is fantastic - it's a long essay that links the history of lesbian exclusion in feminism to trans exclusion and then goes into a long history of just how the MWMF became actively anti-trans.

There is also something that I had forgotten - back in the seventies, Olivia Records had a trans woman sound technician, Sandy Stone, and - when pressed by proto-TERFs - said that their politics were… [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 8:44 AM on April 22, 2015
Also apparently when some Camp Trans activists were sold tickets to Mich Fest after identifying themselves, they were instantly harassed and the youngest girl - who was 16!!! - was yelled at and threatened by a group of grown women who should all be deeply ashamed of themselves, including one who pulled a knife on her. And of course, no one said boo except, apparently, Nomy Lamm.

This is why we can't have nice things like anarchism,… [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 8:52 AM on April 22, 2015
I can see why this was necessary for the time, but today's feminism feels so much more comfortable to me.

I think it's worth looking closely at "the time". The more I read about feminisms, it seems like there's always been restrictive and liberatory tendencies within them all at all times, and I don't want to give the bad excuse of "it was necessary in 1975" (not that you're saying that about trans exclusion). I mean, feminism is… [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 9:16 AM on April 22, 2015
Very fair points all, Frowner! I guess you can take my comment as reflecting not how things actually were, but how the rhetoric of the past as filtered up to the present feels/sounds to someone born in 1987.

I also think that a lot of movements try to suggest that they are very homogenous - definitely, conservative strains in feminism really want to give that impression about the Second Wave and that's how a lot of… [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 9:32 AM on April 22, 2015
Boys under five were/are able to attend the festival with their mothers; boys from 5 - 10 are enrolled in a day camp thing called "Brother Sun" and I believe boys over 10 are not allowed. To be totally fair, I know someone who worked every summer at Brother Sun and she loves kids and works with them in her non-festival life; it's not some kind of joyless you-are-a-baby-oppressor program.
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 10:07 AM on April 22, 2015


"Overzealous feminist women attack infant for being male" sounds way more like a story of "feminazi womyn" boogeymen than a real event.


It does except when you read about a bunch of grown women shouting "PENIS ON THE LAND" at some teenage trans girl and telling her that she is "raping the land" and then yelling at her for two hours. ("Intergenerational", my… [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 12:43 PM on April 22, 2015

The Best of Black Punk Rock, in My Humble Opinion
This looks wonderful, and "First World Problems" is a perfect band name.

Also, I have to admit that ol' Maxi-Rocker is way more interesting than it was, say, ten years ago.
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 9:46 AM on April 21, 2015

Why we're not running 'Maakies' anymore
That's bizarre! I haven't read Maakies in years and years because it seemed kind of repetitive, but those recent two comics aren't even jokes. I mean, I'm good old proper Gen X, I remember the alt-weeklies of the early nineties and even wrote a little bit for a couple of very small ones, and honestly "lol she has her period" would not have flown back in the high and palmy days of riot grrrl and Kurt Cobain. No, that's pure backlash late nineties nonsense; I remember when it came in.
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 8:43 AM on April 20, 2015
And good for them; this idea that somehow there's some kind of "legacy" of "transgressive" misogyny that is more authentic than the actually existing legacy of riot grrrl and the old Baffler and all that is pure nonsense. Significant mid-nineties alt comics were feminist and gay and not banally misognyist (which isn't to say that they didn't have problems; they did, but not this kind.)

There's some old Raw comics… [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 8:47 AM on April 20, 2015

Who is ruining comics this week?
I have read and purchased several comics because of Tumblr, including a $90 (!!!!) small press run hardback from Scandinavia (obviously an indie creator, that one). I have also watched a couple of movies that I would not otherwise have bothered with and have purchased a variety of Magneto impedimenta. I'm not exactly sure why this is a problem for Big Comics. It's as though I'd get upset that, for example, someone who doesn't really like science fiction decided to buy some Octavia Butler… [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 7:47 AM on April 20, 2015
Also, in terms of people from "outside" fandom engaging with it: when I encounter people who haven't read much SF and who are talking about, for example, Octavia Butler - sometimes it is frustrating because they don't always understand key aspects of the logic of the books, or where Butler fits in terms of being a groundbreaking SF writer generally and a groundbreaking black woman SF writer in specific, or how Butler reworks certain ideas about dystopia, etc. But… [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 8:12 AM on April 20, 2015

The Failure of Multiculturalism by Kenan Malik

Wow, is this true? First Nation people are forced to live in reserves or certain urban neighborhoods? How is this enforced?


In my neck of the American woods (and I live in a part of Minneapolis that is heavily Native), it's enforced on indigenous people via police violence, hiring and rental discrimination and a concentration of such subsidized housing as there is in one low-income neighborhood. If by "apartheid" you are looking… [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 6:57 AM on April 16, 2015
Also, the US has a really different narrative about the state and religion. Obviously, we still have a lot of "we are a Christian nation" nonsense, but there is a strong intellectual trend that has a lot of traction of "people should be able to believe what they want". This leads to all kinds of other contradictions (like the religious freedom stuff in Indiana, or anti-vaxxers, etc). But it does also mean that you can make a strong, serious public argument that Muslims,… [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 1:07 PM on April 16, 2015

Aboard Flights, Conflicts Over Seat Assignments and Religion
I'm not sure that even could be true. Men and women seem to travel in roughly equal numbers,1 and in a dystopian Handmaids Tale-esque scenario where no women could sit next to any man you'd just end up with a game of musical chairs and one row partially filled.

No, the point is that if any woman at any point can be told that she has to move because she is a source of sin and there's no appeal to that - if there's no traction to say "I don't… [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 12:34 PM on April 15, 2015

Bono is to the Rock Hall what Tom Cruise is to Scientology
It's a Soft Machine cover on a Material album.

I...did not know that. Even though I love Soft Machine and have quite a lot of Material. Neat.
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 11:04 AM on April 15, 2015

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