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AKA "American Regional Food Stereotypes Are Entirely Accurate" -NY Times

The reason Persimmon Pudding is the most googled in Indiana just had to be a direct result of the original article. We Hoosiers, upon learning Persimmon pudding was somehow indicative of an Indiana Thanksgiving via some idiot on the East Coast, immediately googled it to determine what the hell it was. I mean, I've lived here most of my adult life and have never heard of that dish.

YOU ARE SO WRONG!!!!!… [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 1:18 PM on November 25, 2014
Frowner, what part of Indiana are you from? I'm from Warsaw and other "parts north" and this is the first I've heard of persimmon pudding.

To reply very late - I am not personally from Indiana since my dad had moved for work by the time I was born, but my dad's family is Indianan since they fled conscription by Prussians some time in the 19th century. They're Danville and Columbus-area.

Not everyone retires to… [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 9:17 AM on November 26, 2014

From Emmett Till to Trayvon Martin -- and now Mike Brown
For those in the Twin Cities with the time today, the Coalition for Critical Change, Communities United Against Police Brutality and other groups who work on related issues have organized a protest at 4:30 at Lake and Minnehaha in S Minneapolis. If you are coming from downtown, you can take the light rail to Lake.

There is a student demonstration at 3pm at the UMN outside of Coffman.… [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 5:44 AM on November 25, 2014
Isn't there a whole Supreme Court decision - Tennessee v. Garner - which says that a police officer can only use deadly force on a fleeing suspect if the cop has reason to believe that the fleeing suspect poses a substantial threat of death or serious injury to the cop or others? I know that there's a great deal of interpretation involved in applying that kind of decision, but the idea that if Mike Brown committed a robbery then the cop had legal… [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 10:08 AM on November 25, 2014

Slip Out the Back Jack; Make a New Plan Stan...
Well, okay, the hygiene and failure-of-hinting one made me feel really, really ill. That and the Romney one, boom.

I dread dating a serious vegan, as I mostly cook vegan but have cheese-based lapses.

I assume that most of these are really about casual relationships where you might break up over dumb stuff. I don't think I've ever broken up with someone for reasons other than We Are Boring Each Other In Most Aspects Of This Relationship.
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 8:03 AM on November 22, 2014

Liberal Dude Erotica
I was at a public event put on by an established left organization recently. The event was one where the general membership had been encouraged to come to participate in an important decision. Naturally, the parts of the membership who did show up were basically the most committed ones outside of the regular meeting-runners - members who would turn out for events, kept up with the issues and had been heavily primed with information about the issue in question.

The… [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 6:24 AM on November 21, 2014
I think what I take away from the linked piece is that it is totally unconscious on the part of the guy. He's not cynical. He really, sincerely believes that he believes his beliefs. And I surmise that among the men who are [sort of] like this, they mostly do mostly believe their beliefs and will probably go to some small degree of trouble to live them - you do encounter guys like this in contexts where they actually have to, like, go to the protest march or sit through the… [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 6:56 AM on November 21, 2014
For me a good first step in not being That White Person or That Masculine of Center Person (at which I do not always succeed) has been finding points of resistance within myself and trying to get at which I mean, if I find myself thinking "not all white people" or "well, that essay was certainly rather unfair to masculine of center people", I try to examine that feeling and why I feel so invested. After all, if someone complains about a privileged… [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 7:23 AM on November 21, 2014
I'm bothered by the tag #allmenaregarbagebutthiskindespecially. I hate feminist posturing as much as the next person but that hashtag seems unnecessarily mean.

The truth is, I don't like it much either, because I don't like calling large categories of people garbage, even in jest, and because I think that it tends to suggest that somehow men are more "garbage" than white people or cis people...I mean, just because I have had some misogynist… [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 9:12 AM on November 21, 2014
the pontifical-Chomsky-dude (he's usually Ben)

Oh my god, Chomsky dudes are so often Bens, it's horribly true.

On the other hand, I know the most wonderful Ben in the world. Perhaps Bens are either very good or very bad?
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 9:15 AM on November 21, 2014

Marry someone who will take care of the kids
Although I am once again amused to see how everyone always thinks they can buck statistics. "Oh, my husband will do 50% of the chores and childcare," everyone thinks. Never think you're better than statistics.
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 7:24 AM on November 20, 2014

Unless you're into a sort of Samuel Delany-novel-esque radically-different-intelligences thing, like, how does that "sapiosexual" business not just trigger your own anxieties way too much? What if you're all "well I am sapiosexual so I am attracted to smart people" in your profile and then the smart people are all, "lol, you, intelligent?" I mean, people generally use to to suggest "I am attracted to people with whom I can be smart",… [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 10:26 AM on November 18, 2014
The "new" identities are fantastic as descriptions of preferences and practices. I am a little bit uneasy with them as descriptions of deep or foundational stuff (whether you call that an "orientation" or something else), not least because as far as I can tell* the vast majority of demisexual and asexual people are women or AFAB people, and this leads me to wonder whether these identities are at least in part a product of the pressures and foreclosures on women's and AFAB… [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 11:25 AM on November 18, 2014
(Although mainly what this thread has done for me is to get a particularly earwormy version of Pete Shelley's "Homosapien" stuck in my head.)
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 11:30 AM on November 18, 2014
I think one reason I'm uneasy with value-judgment-osexualities is that when you add "osexual" to something, you're using language to suggest that it is in some way more inherent/hard-wired than cultural. You're attempting to give it some weight that is greater than just "I am really only attracted to people who [watch Sherlock/have great spatial skills/etc]".

Admittedly, every sexuality is fuzzy-edged, and every sexuality is also… [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 5:36 AM on November 19, 2014
To add: I think that the sudden proliferation of subjective-osexualities is rooted in the desire to find a non-political way to legitimate sexual preference, a way to put it beyond question, and that this can never happen - putting some sexual preferences beyond question is always going to create political consequences for other sexual preferences, and the question is what consequences and for who.

So for instance, people… [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 6:54 AM on November 19, 2014
I guess my question is, why does anyone have to interrogate their attraction or lack thereof? Isn't the whole point that your sexuality is your business and not the business of anyone you aren't sleeping with or trying to?

Seriously, if your "sexuality" is racist or transphobic, don't you want to put a little pressure on that? Like, yes, your sexuality is your business, but if it radically conflicts with… [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 10:12 AM on November 19, 2014
On a lived-experience level, it is so difficult to sort out all the many things that attract one to a particular individual that it seems deeply problematic to say "I am a cis-lesbian-o-sexual, I am hardwired to be incapable of being attracted to trans women" or "I am a thin-but-muscley-man-o-sexual, I am incapable of being attracted to a chubby guy ever no matter what". The more we repeat these stories about ourselves, the truer they feel and the more… [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 10:45 AM on November 19, 2014
There's an interesting double game here, because I think you're right, claiming a mere preference as an identity can have that "sheilding" effect. But only the person having the desire can possibly know how profound, how fundamental, a particular desire is to their sense of self. And people lie to themselves all the time...

See, that's why I'm much more in favor of putting a little bit of pressure on myself. I know that I'm more likely to… [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 11:06 AM on November 19, 2014
I guess what I'd add to my comment upthread is that putting a little bit of pressure on yourself about why you're attracted to people is also a political thing. Like, it doesn't make sense for me to ask myself whether I should be attracted to some random famous cis dude, because I am already constantly told that Benedict Whosis and that Young Magneto actor and so on are the very pinacles of male beauty and desirability. There are no narratives saying "Frowner, you should under no… [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 12:54 PM on November 19, 2014
I'm wondering why you're going to "saying that we should be somewhat thoughtful about where our sexual preferences come from is the same as browbeating people to sleep with you". If I'm thinking about how I learned that [category] is unattractive to me, that has nothing to do with whether other people want to sleep with me.

But again, this is a fundamental difference in how we think humans work - an… [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 1:25 PM on November 19, 2014
(I mean that seriously - that we each believe things about people that can't match up, and in a way that's sad because we can't resolve our disagreement, but unless we want to get into "and why do we believe as we do about subject formation", that's just how it's got to be. I guess what I'm trying to say is that although I disagree deeply with what you're saying, don't get the impression that I'm saying that you are arguing in bad faith.)
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 1:33 PM on November 19, 2014

Mexico on the brink
It's not just corruption - if the problem were just that Americans were buying Mexican drugs, it would be a much smaller problem. It is the active support of the US government for the Mexican state as long as the Mexican state goes along with NAFTA and lets the US do as it pleases to migrant workers. It's a more hands-off but ideologically similar thing to US support for Central American military regimes in the 80s. The US wants a right-wing Mexican… [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 2:24 PM on November 17, 2014

Bunker mentality
I am always astonished by the number of people who want to survive the apocalypse. It sounds even worse than the apocalypse itself; better to one of the ones to go first before you've had to spend months fighting zombies or whatever with 2 bottles of water and a Twix and then get killed.

Precisely. As if I'd want to live on for a few months after many of the people I love had died (as they would have, even if I were part of your movie-scenario small… [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 1:50 PM on November 17, 2014

Insight: "A major cause of being poor is not having enough money..."
It also costs a fair amount to keep all the assorted fifedoms running because they're staffed by white-collar government workers (who have healthcare and pensions).

One thing I always worry about, though: everyone assumes that efficiency is about getting rid of government workers instead of - for example - retraining and moving them so that more and better services can be provided. And then I start to think, whoa, we're talking… [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 6:21 AM on November 17, 2014
(I add that while I was helping a friend with some benefits stuff, about half the case workers we encountered were just awful and one was overtly racist; but the rest were either okay or actually good - like the woman who tipped us off to a bunch of stuff that was de facto policy but no one normally told you about. She was Native, and most of the better caseworkers were people of color - not to say that there aren't bad caseworkers who are POC, but I did definitely notice.)
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 6:24 AM on November 17, 2014
This is the key, though: qualifying for a lot of the best paid government jobs generally requires a graduate degree. So this is financial policy that makes the upper-middle class richer and more secure, by inefficiently paying them (okay, us) a lot of money to perform services for the poor.

I think we must be talking about very different government jobs, because believe me, the ladies down at the DMV don't have graduate degrees, and I very much doubt… [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 6:48 AM on November 17, 2014
Wages, in fact, are a way of giving people money.
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 6:49 AM on November 17, 2014

‘Do I die by starvation, or do I die by poisoning?’
And the tar sands exist because the corporate-political complex is able to use money and force to externalize cost.

In accounting, a big debate is "how do you determine the cost of a product?" and the rubric is "all the costs that it takes to get the product, ready for use, in the hands of the purchaser". But even when you can trace all the costs, the whole thing becomes political, because companies and politicians are always pushing to… [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 2:08 PM on November 14, 2014
Ie, it's never about consumer "choice"; it's always about producer power - who has the power to allocate what costs.
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 2:09 PM on November 14, 2014

Christmas is for Marketing
I can't be having with this. I suppose in a hundred years we'll have a touching commercial about Auschwitz or the Killing Fields so that we'll buy whatever the ruins of humanity are still buying at that point.

The whole thing leans on forgetting the war - I read a great essay (whose name, ironically, I can't remember) which argued that certain kinds of enforced memorialization are really about forgetting*. We "remember" the Christmas truce so that we can… [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 7:41 AM on November 14, 2014
Here is an account by one of the leaders of the German soldiers' revolt which ended the war and established the Weimar Republic. It's on, but I found the introduction to be pretty reliable and the stuff I've read on there generally to be quite decent. The guy was a sailor in the navy from a working class background and was one of many working class socialists/communists (but actually more of an anarchist in the end) in Germany before the war. He was one of the organizers of the… [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 8:56 AM on November 14, 2014
I wonder, did Sassoon write this before or after the end of the war? It's dated 1918:

THE boys came back. Bands played and flags were flying,
And Yellow-Pressmen thronged the sunlit street
To cheer the soldiers who’d refrained from dying,
And hear the music of returning feet.
‘Of all the thrills and ardours War has brought,
This moment is the finest.’ (So they thought.
… [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 8:59 AM on November 14, 2014
(To clarify a thing: the production of a right-wing working class is both about widespread ideology (so that everyone assumes that the working class is right wing) and producing actual right wing-ness in working class people through jailing and silencing working class radicals, through strategic buy-offs of certain parts of the working class (as when white workers got rights that were denied to black workers), etc. So that it's not that there are no working class radicals, it's that cultural… [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 9:13 AM on November 14, 2014

Ripping up the SFF-Scene Requires Hate
Responding to the apologies by generating a giant list of paranoid charts and passive-aggressive self-righteousness about "healing" is just shit-stirring.

I don't know - I'm not sure I would have believed any of this without some documentation. This is precisely the kind of fandom thing where it can easily get swept under the rug or various lies told about it without someone actually pulling stuff together. I personally would probably have… [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 2:03 PM on November 7, 2014
Because it's really interesting to see a bit of confirmation of some often-informally-made claims about this kind of pseudoprogressive shit-slinging — like that it more often targets women than men, even while at the same time declaring itself feminist. This is really an interesting case study in the evolution of the troll.

The more I think about it, the more I think it is super important to document this stuff, for the reasons… [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 2:23 PM on November 7, 2014
I just realized something else - I actually read the terrific On A Red Station, Drifting (by Aliette De Bodard) because it was reviewed positively on Requires Only That You Hate - so there's one example, I guess, of RH reviewing an Asian-French woman writer positively. De Bodard also seems to like RH's new book.

I don't know - I would really like to read RH's book. Just because she's a terrible person doesn't mean she's a terrible writer, and… [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 9:54 AM on November 13, 2014

Dunkin’ and the Doughnut King
I had some terrific donuts in San Francisco one time. Really good. I thought the shop was Vietnamese but perhaps that was my ignorance and it was run by Cambodians. There was a buttermilk donut, I wish I had such a buttermilk donut right now.

You can't get meaningful donuts in Minneapolis. There's artisanal hipster donuts around town, and our local tiny-cake-donuts-with-cinnamon-sugar, but the hipster donuts are too heavy and usually have weird ingredients plus the… [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 8:07 AM on November 13, 2014

Are Democrats elitist?
Unlike Howard Dean, who transparently does "understand the American people" - whatever that means. Which people? What is meant by "understand"? If you "understand" a group of people who have terrible beliefs, are you then obligated to act in their interests out of populism? What if you "understand" a variety of groups, all of which have contradictory beliefs?

And of course, given that… [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 10:43 AM on November 12, 2014
(I always wonder - as a queer and gender-non-conforming person with a pink collar union gig - just how successful I would be in a "working class" bar....since "working class" here never means, like, "class mixed queer bar" or "bar that is secure for people who are not men". I mean, no, I would not personally go in and belly up to the bar at my local authentic working class bar...not least because it just now occurs to me that the most… [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 12:43 PM on November 12, 2014

"Is this a 50-year or a 500-year moment?"
One of the most fascinating things about the internet is that stuff like "the enclosure acts happened" and "wage labor is a historical phenomenon" and "famines are political more than natural phenomena", or even "the US backed military juntas in Latin America through the eighties in the interests of US corporations"....those things were secrets and you had to work like mad to convince people of even the most basic ones. (I remember… [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 1:36 PM on November 11, 2014
What happens when there aren't enough people left making enough money to buy all the products being produced? I guess that's when all the superbillionaires blast off on their spaceship made of gold to conquer new planets.

There was a Dianna Wynne Jones novel in which the evil kajillionaires were tricked into a spaceship...I mean, there was also time travel and magic and in theory the space ship wasn't just, like, aimed into the heart of the sun or… [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 2:09 PM on November 11, 2014
And then, of course, imagine the services that will be needed to sustain the army of laborers who work for the tech bros - we'll all be dishing up cheap garbage slop that we cook in a burnt out oil drum in the alley, or hand-washing their UberWashio uniforms in the greywater overflow that runs out back, or figuring out ways to break into OrganInc's dumpsters to salvage the remains of the chickienobs, etc.
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 2:12 PM on November 11, 2014

“I have not had one meal that was not just perfect”
Wouldn't you get sick eating two meals a day at Olive Garden? Leaving all else aside, I feel sick if I have to have two [vegan, relatively wholesome but not, like, miso and massaged kale] restaurant meals in a day, and I can't imagine eating that much Olive Garden over that long a period.

Frankly, I have never been the type to turn down the occasional plate of really fatty, salty, carby restaurant food, but jeez....this guy should see if he can get into competitive eating somehow.
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 10:45 AM on November 11, 2014
I'm pretty sure that was satire.

Nope. But you learn something new every day - I really, truly had no idea that there are people for whom two restaurant meals* in a day is completely digesible. I'm not a thin person and I'm no moderate eater when faced with home-cooked food, but even in my young day, one US restaurant meal per day was about all I could handle. (Strangely, when I worked in Shanghai, two restaurant meals was fine - but I think that's… [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 11:37 AM on November 11, 2014
(I just want to add - given the way that the conversation has gone - that I have no personal objection to Olive Garden or big restaurant meals full of fat and grease, and indeed, I like a big restaurant meal full of fat and grease now and again. I just literally did not think that an average person could eat a bunch of them in a row and not feel sick.)
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 11:40 AM on November 11, 2014

The most perfidious thing about Dungeons and Dragons is ...
My parents actually refused to let me play D&D in the late eighties because it might lead me down "dark paths" and then said something about it eroding your ability to tell reality from fantasy. Knowing my parents, I am dead sure that they remembered this case and that's what they were thinking about - they never forget stuff like that. In my own situation, it was pretty dismaying because D&D was one social milieu where I might have found some friends at an otherwise… [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 8:24 AM on November 11, 2014

Breaking: The Mayor of Minneapolis is not in a gang
If you are a local, you might want to get involved with the Coalition for Critical Change, a Twin Cities area group which started in the wake of Mike Brown's death to work against police brutality.

Their Facebook page has a number of useful links, including this Think Progress article about the criminalization of black youth in Minneapolis.

The Facebook page links this article from the Smoke and Mirrors series from TruthOut (and I know that… [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 1:04 PM on November 7, 2014
I live here, I'm a minority, and I disagree.

Obviously I'm not a minority, so my actual personal experience isn't relevant at all. My feelings have been based on many conversations with friends and acquaintances of color about how racist they find it here (and also on some statistics about how awful policing is here given that we are a mid-sized city) but I know this varies hugely by person and all kinds of factors. I've just had a… [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 1:32 PM on November 7, 2014

Second Wave feminist SF
Oh wow, this is super! Thanks very much for posting.

If anyone is interested, the Khatru Symposium has been republished. I have not read it and cannot vouch for it, but it was important.
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 7:09 AM on November 7, 2014

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