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It just shows to go you...I was thinking "gee, this lady sounds kind of interesting...I would like to go on a date to eat Ethiopian food and discuss neoliberalism".

The sense I got from her writing was much more that it's relatively normal in her social circle to like Crass, Stiff Little Fingers and discussions of kyriarchy, and therefore it's not especially insufferable to mention them - as distinct from a social circle where you're a… [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 11:32 AM on January 6, 2015
People can be from the opposite poles of the earth, one can eat rocks while the other only water, and one can like things when they are burning while the other cannot abide a thing that is not frozen, and if neither of them want to get married or have kids, if they both laugh at the same joke, and if they can successfully take a vacation together without slashing each other's throats, they have a relationship that will last.

I think individual mileage… [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 11:50 AM on January 6, 2015
I get the sense here that my standards for dates are...not normal.

I mean, if someone were all "and blah blah Crass album [....] blah blah book about historiography..." my assumption - absent other social cues - would not be "here is a frosty little snob trying to one-up me in order to gain date hegemony" but "here is a person who likes Crass (cool! I made myself a Crass tee shirt in college!) and historiography (extra cool,… [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 12:31 PM on January 6, 2015

Privilege doesn't mean you don't suffer
I left high school a popular kid, all without changing my interests or hobbies or most of my day-to-day. I never had to learn how to shoot a basketball or anything - all I had to do was not be a fucking child, like Aaronson.

Yeah, I am a little uneasy with the whole "the only reason the other kids pick on you is because you are a little shit who needs to grow up" framework, not least because that's how a lot of adults frame some pretty… [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 3:53 PM on December 29, 2014
My observation of academia suggests that it is full not of absent-minded professors who just can't remember where we keep the toner or how to check their voice mail but of very bright people who do not want to know how to do what it is inconvenient or unpleasant for them to do and who use the "but I caaaaaaaaan't do this basic thing that everyone else figures out easily" business to get out of doing what they don't want to do without being called on it. There may… [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 6:17 PM on December 29, 2014
I'm not entirely happy with saying that because Aaronson is uncomfortable with certain aspects of masculinity he has a lot in common with trans people. He seems uncomfortable with masculinity because he can't succeed at it - he's denied what he sees as the sweet fruits of being a dude, the ready access to sex and romance, the unquestioning comfort with himself in the world. If he were getting all the attention, social comfort, etc, that he feels he should have, he would not be questioning… [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 7:03 AM on December 30, 2014
The thing is, I would have a lot more sympathy with Aaronson if these were conversations he was having with close friends rather than blogular authoritativing. "I am in pain and I am sad, friend, can we talk through my feelings with the understanding that they are just my feelings" is a lot more sympathetic than blogging about something like this while wearing his professor hat.

At the same time, I also think there are crucial differences between… [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 9:11 AM on December 30, 2014
I just...I remember feeling the same way about race as he writes about gender in his response post. "I tried so hard to be committed to anti-racism only to be rejected and criticized....Can't you see that you're tearing me apart" etc. Looking back on that phase, I thank my lucky stars that I did not have a blog, because I was such a fool.

It's a question of emphasis not content that seems to be throwing him. It's… [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 10:16 AM on December 30, 2014
Oh, hey, I just thought of something about Aaronson's apparent inability to move past his "but I have really, really suffered" thing even when plenty of people have written to say that they recognize that he has suffered.

And of course, because it's metafilter, this has to do with therapy.

I too have suffered! And I definitely have been in that same "I need to reiterate over and over again that I have suffered because no matter… [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 11:23 AM on December 30, 2014

I think it's worth noting that at least IMO, having talked to a lot of these kinds of guys over the years(and been friends with, or lived with them) that i think this guy is sort of the magneto to the young xmen of terrible nerdy dudes.


Magneto is the best mutant. Aaronson is in a sense the "best" terrible nerdy dude, but I think this comparison does a disservice to Magneto.

On the "I would have… [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 7:08 AM on December 31, 2014
We do a real disservice to kids with this attitude. I wish social skills were taught in an organized fashion just as we teach other skills, instead of leaving it up to families and peers.

Be careful what you wish for - you just might get it....Or at least, I had years of this sort of thing in junior high and high school and it was godawful. Partly because social skills don't respond to the sort of teaching techniques
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posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 11:32 AM on January 5, 2015
Especially a extremely intelligent guy like the one in this example, is born to be very attractive to women. So the lesser gifted men have no choice but break him emotionally.

I do not normally lol, but I lol'd. Yes indeed, this lines up very well with the lives of the straight men of my acquaintance, both the popular and the non-. They're constantly evaluating each other on their intelligence, conspiring to break each other emotionally, etc etc.… [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 11:55 AM on January 6, 2015

HFR till end of the world confirmed
I really like this idea. It seems to embody an understanding of the future that is totally gone - that the world will persist sort of as it is today until the very end; that there will be an "end" of the world that is immediate and comprehensible, fast enough to prevent mass rioting but slow enough to allow for news; sort of an elegiac feeling about the end of the world rather than a zombie/rage/chaos feeling; that, at the world's end, people will still look for some kind of… [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 11:23 AM on January 5, 2015

CIA Torture Report Released
And only accused of trying to defend the actual perpetrators rather than being a perpetrator himself. Which is odd, because he's a defense attorney, so....that's, like, his job.

Unless I misread the legal document in the link, it appears that AD is accused of having sex with one of the girls and of observing other abuse as part of his social interactions with his friend the primary abuser/trafficker. It's a pretty shocking and disgusting story if even half of it is true.
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 8:14 AM on January 5, 2015

A TV drama that puts gay characters centre-stage is still a novelty
When I see a movie about an actual person or event where a queer life situation has been changed to make it more comprehensible/relatable for a straight audience, I feel really upset. It's as though the actual events of queer lives are not interesting enough on their own terms, and as if the truths of them can't be accepted by straight audiences. Sometimes this involves leaving things out, but I see a lot of the "gay drama" stuff injected falsely - like the treason plot in the Turing… [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 1:53 PM on January 4, 2015

Melk Abbey
Adso is from Melk in The Name of the Rose...I suppose I could have thought that it was probably a real abbey, given the rest of the book, but it never occurred to me. Thanks for posting!
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 5:30 AM on January 2, 2015

My death needs to mean something.


They self-describe as agender or genderqueer or as other genders but they are made to exist, under patriarchy, in the same category as a trans woman, and so that is how they live their lives.


The way I read this, I think AoK is saying that if you are an AMAB person who is feminine-spectrum, even if you don't feel like you are a trans woman per se, other people assume that you are a trans woman, treat you as a trans woman and… [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 3:55 AM on December 31, 2014
frowner you're kinda right about a lot of the stuff you're talking about but...seriously, do you really need to center your own experiences like that?

I apologize - that wasn't cool of me at all and I'll be more aware of thread focus in the future.
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 7:10 AM on December 31, 2014

Who Speaks for the Subaltern?
It would be interesting to have more of the critiques available - I don't think it's fair to Spivak to link Proyect and a partial view of her essay, and it doesn't seem to get at much criticism of Chibber.

Some things occur to me:

1. This is a conflict between high-ranking and powerful people (in academia, anyway), a number of whom are from high-ranking backgrounds in India. Just as we conveniently forget that Zizek is from some kind of highly… [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 6:19 AM on December 30, 2014
(But also thanks for posting this - I enjoyed reading it.)
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 6:26 AM on December 30, 2014
A long interview with the founder of Jacobin in the New Left Review? That astonishes me....

This also reminds me that I want to read Provincializing Europe; it's haaaaaaaaaarrdd and so it kind of fell off my list.
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 7:50 AM on December 30, 2014
That interview is something else, all right. Especially the parts where the interviewer asks him about contributor demographics. It's very important to note that they're graduate students and most people are under 35; it's not at all important to talk, for example, about how many are women.

I mean, seriously, a marxist social formation that could attract large numbers of women who actually talked to and prioritized each other would be one I'd have… [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 8:06 AM on December 30, 2014
I like that Jacobin is named for Toussaint L'Ouverture and the CLR James book - I think that's an excellent founding gesture, and the logo is fantastic.
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 9:16 AM on December 30, 2014
Frowner brings up several other matters in comments -- how Marxism and other ideologies fare with respect to the ties between real movements and intellectuals; why certain ideologies appeal to certain demographics; how sucessful various historical movements have been; how demographically diverse the contributors to Jacobin Magazine (founded by a Pakistani-American with a self-described "lower-middle class" background, and which regularly features articles -- including perhaps… [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 9:31 AM on December 30, 2014

Marxism - unlike anarchism - really aspires to be this universal explainer


But I should add that anarchism sucks in its own special ways...I've just been thinking a lot about different cultural styles, which really is a tangent. Anarchism's non-universal-explainer status is a difference but not a particular virtue.
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 9:38 AM on December 30, 2014
I dunno Frowner I didn't think this interview or even the book referenced was about Marxism. I thought the interview was about "the postcolonial theory known as subaltern studies". What do you think of that topic?

Did we even read the same article? Chibber is a marxist. His whole point in the interview is that marxism has much more explanatory force than post-colonial theory and that post-colonial theory is in opposition to… [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 9:52 AM on December 30, 2014
But you're right, I was being kind of a dick, and I apologize.
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 10:03 AM on December 30, 2014
It seems like post-colonial studies and Chibber/Verso/NLB marxism are going to be in tension because they're trying to emphasize such different things. Post-colonial studies seems to be emphasizing discourse, who gets to speak, who gets to be an "expert", whether anyone is an expert at all, how to know things, what is a worthwhile subject of knowledge and who decides. Where as Chibber et al seem pretty confident that they know what they know, that they know who should speak, etc, and… [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 10:36 AM on December 30, 2014
(By "how much difference is enough" I mean "at what point do you say that this difference is significant enough to modulate your political theory" - how different does the one regions bourgeoisie have to be from another's before that's a difference that has to be incorporated into how one understands the bourgeoisie itself?)
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 10:40 AM on December 30, 2014
But the very fact that Orientalism exists suggests that the use of "These people are Not Western" in the service of power has nothing to do with the existence of post colonial theory. Claiming that the natives need a firm hand, or that democracy is all very well for the West but our people wouldn't like it or whatever well predates post-colonial theory and has been used by plenty of people who don't care about left theory of any stripe. Whites made use of this logic in the pre-Civil… [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 12:47 PM on December 30, 2014

Kim Kardashian doesn't visit Versailles. She is Versailles.
That article was pretty clever, I thought - especially the part about how when everything else is becoming more specialized/bubbled-off/etc, Kim Kardashian creates herself as a subject about which we can all talk. Which is nicely illustrated here, since no one is talking about the article and everyone is talking about KK.

It seems like one could assume both that someone works pretty hard and is relatively clever… [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 10:12 AM on December 29, 2014
Or what about thinking of it like in James Tiptree's "The Girl Who Was Plugged In" - absent KK, the wheels of production would cease to turn, or at least turn less, demand would decline, jobs would decline, GNP would decline. KK is sort of a goddess figure, right? An organizing persona whose image provides a way to organize impulses, ritual and production?
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 10:36 AM on December 29, 2014
Several gay people I know think he's gay, and the rumours are based around

I think that's kind of where the linked essay breaks down - it seems to suggest that there is this utopian now, where there's perfect transparency, that KK is famous for being KK, that she has a charmed life full of magical objects and that is what gives her fame, and that this is what she wants...and the essay seems to me to suggest that this really is a possibly utopian way of… [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 10:48 AM on December 29, 2014
On the misogyny front: I think a lot of people are really bothered that a woman can be sexually attractive and basically in control of her image. Partly because women are not supposed to do that - women are supposed to be either naively sexy or evilly sexy, but they definitely are not supposed to leverage their sexuality in a sort of "here I am, this is how I look, now I am on a magazine cover" way. And partly because, I think, a lot of men resent women who are… [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 10:57 AM on December 29, 2014
On the whiteness thing: It seems most useful to consider how whiteness operates, how it operates on people, rather than trying to hash something out about Armenians or skin color.

I surmise that KK is socially positioned as not-white - at least, when I see how she is described in the media, how her image is used, what sectors of popular culture she's associated with, the overall gestalt would not be the same if she were positioned as white. If she… [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 2:09 PM on December 29, 2014
(I am aware that Paris Hilton has a sex tape, etc - it's that the pictures of Paris Hilton are shot/narrated/distributed differently from KK's pictures, not that they are Not Naked People Pictures.)
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 2:10 PM on December 29, 2014
Interestingly, in Samuel Delany's novel Triton, there is a brilliant guitar-player named Charo. She performs - in the far future - songs from Bruce Cockburn's album Night Vision.
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 3:21 PM on December 29, 2014
I knew about the Delany long before I knew about Charo the actual person, and was amazed that there was a real guitarist also named Charo.
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 3:21 PM on December 29, 2014
The Magnetic Fields are immortal to me.
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 3:40 PM on December 29, 2014

Urge Overkill “Stalker” discusses her antics
I remember this - I read a zine interview with them.

Seriously, the whole thing is so nineties, back when scenes and bands both mattered and also had the potential to be huge. No one would care now if some big small band stole from people, etc; it would just be seen as either irrelevant to the music or what people do.

I love those girls because they were not afraid to be mean and abrasive - against men, popular men even! - and never soft pedal or apologize.
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 5:18 AM on December 29, 2014
(I add that people did do similar stuff to women in bands - all the riot grrrl bands for example - but it wasn't about aesthetics or ethics, it was "show us your tits" and "you deserve to be raped". Show me a non-misogynist man who could do something like this w/out being rapey and misogynist but be purely an anti-fa.)
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 5:22 AM on December 29, 2014
So putting nails under cars and physically fighting women in bands is okay as long as it's not ""show us your tits" and "you deserve to be raped"."?

There's a tradition of, like, aggro aesthetic critique that I find interesting and funny - it's not something unique to these women. Lots of artists have brawled over art. (And it's not as though UO were known as being sensitive, poetic, peaceful types - they too were pretty… [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 7:31 AM on December 29, 2014
(I mean for pete's sake, remember all the early punk scene stuff? Remember the woman from the Rezillos smashing a cream pie in someone's face? People really got into that stuff over music and its associated politics, and it wasn't all that political. The sainted Clash used to fight people.)
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 7:34 AM on December 29, 2014
As noted above, Saturation is a masterpiece. I would put it among the top 5 albums of the 90s, easily. For those of you who contend that Urge Overkill sucks or that you had to look up who they even were, what were you listening to in the 90s that you thought was so much better? Smashing Pumpkins? Guns 'n' Roses? The Lemonheads? The Gin Blossoms? Spin Doctors? I mean come on.

Please. No one who was likely to listen to UO was also… [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 10:30 AM on December 29, 2014
Oh, and Husker Du and Arcwelder and anything on Touch and Go.
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 10:31 AM on December 29, 2014
I still really like Sebadoh's Weed Forestin' - or at least, I know all the songs pretty much by heart. I never got super into anything of theirs after that. It was definitely the soundtrack to a very, very unhappy six months, and I still think of "Mr. Genius Eyes" whenever I encounter a certain variety of male academic.

UO and all those bands (and including many of the ones my friends liked at the time - Mudhoney and some of that whole… [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 11:16 AM on December 29, 2014
You know, just the other day I was saying in the "Not Hating On Marvel Movies" thread that one should not issue blanket condemnations (absent some particularly compelling reason) because one never knows why a particular work is meaningful to someone and one's standpoint is always limited, hating on something (for banal reasons) usually suggests ignorance rather than analysis, etc. And yet here I am!

I retract my comment about Smashing… [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 11:38 AM on December 29, 2014

It's a White Industry

With Britain's history of colonies in both Africa and the Caribbean, it would be interesting if Elba's Bond was given a backstory that included some kind of ruling/elite parentage, so that he would have both an ingrained sense duty and belonging to "the Establishment", but also the burden of historic colonialism on his shoulders. I think the insider/outsider conflict is one that fits well with the bond character.


That's the thing… [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 8:11 PM on December 26, 2014
One of the things you could do with a black Bond (if you didn't want, as schroedinger suggests, just to have the "this is a fantasy world where racism does not impact Bond" framing) would be to have Bond do his schtick in settings where being a suave black espionage agent would be a plus - what if he's espioning amongst the elite of Kenya amongst recent social upheaval, for instance? What if he really, really needs to get over with third culture elites at glittering global thingummies… [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 1:09 PM on December 27, 2014

The Hobbit: How the 'clomping foot of nerdism' destroyed Tolkien's dream
But....and this has to do with what is recognized as trauma....Sam is responsible for Frodo, Sam has to chivvy him along through Mordor when Frodo is virtually dying, Sam has to make all these decisions about how to deal with the ring. Sam has to be the one who is Gollum's guard/captor. Sam has to be this super-caretaker (and has to kill Shelob) and go from being a servant who follows orders to making all these decisions on his own. Frodo's trials are "greater"… [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 9:14 AM on December 23, 2014

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