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Eat your vegs
Oh, yes, I talked to Literature on the phone the other day and it was indeed very hurt that I had not yet finished either Dhalgren OR In Search of Lost Time, and I haven't even started that copy of Lord of the Rings in French that I picked up in 2008. I had to apologize and promise that I would continue with the Pat Barker novel I'd put down after the child rape.

And the publishers! They too publish based on what people finish,… [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 12:39 PM on December 8, 2014
There was one glorious day in about 2009 when I sold all my Derrida. Writing and Difference! Of Grammatology! Specters of Marx! Limited Inc! And that big book of interviews I'd try whenever I had a long bus trip. All, all went down to the shop and I came back with something like ten dollars. Which I assume I spent on science fiction and soda pop.

I expect that some day I'll work back around to wanting to read some Derrida, and… [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 12:56 PM on December 8, 2014

Cooking isn't fun, but you should do it anyway.
It's interesting that we get trapped, over and over again, in this box of regular old neoliberal assumptions - so it's moralizing and recipes on one side, and "but but but" on the other, because making cooking non-horrible for many people under contemporary conditions is almost impossible.

1. Wages for housework, as per Sylvia Federici. Cooking falls more to women than to men and is undervalued, like most women's work and caring work. Cooking is about the… [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 9:30 AM on December 8, 2014
When I was little - and I had two working parents, and a stable home where all but one weekly meal was always home-cooked from scratch - salmon was a luxury. (Now I'm vegan-with-lapses, I don't eat salmon.) Salmon was a treat, and we had it occasionally on Sunday nights. "Ooh, let's grill some salmon, it's so healthy and simple!" would have required easily another $10,000 a year in income, and short of sending me out to the bottle factory like little Charlie Dickens, that wasn't… [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 10:34 AM on December 8, 2014

From Emmett Till to Trayvon Martin -- and now Mike Brown
For those in the Twin Cities with the time today, the Coalition for Critical Change, Communities United Against Police Brutality and other groups who work on related issues have organized a protest at 4:30 at Lake and Minnehaha in S Minneapolis. If you are coming from downtown, you can take the light rail to Lake.

There is a student demonstration at 3pm at the UMN outside of Coffman.… [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 5:44 AM on November 25, 2014
Isn't there a whole Supreme Court decision - Tennessee v. Garner - which says that a police officer can only use deadly force on a fleeing suspect if the cop has reason to believe that the fleeing suspect poses a substantial threat of death or serious injury to the cop or others? I know that there's a great deal of interpretation involved in applying that kind of decision, but the idea that if Mike Brown committed a robbery then the cop had legal… [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 10:08 AM on November 25, 2014
(Just for mefites' own information about the Minneapolis car thing - it was not quite as bad as it looks on the video and as far as I know, the person who was hit was not injured badly. A friend of mine saw them lying down and waiting for the EMTs and they were resting calmly and fully conscious. We were very, very, very lucky. I don't like to think what would have happened if the car hadn't just run over her legs. It was extremely weird - I've been at protests where cars… [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 9:32 AM on November 26, 2014
"The victim‘s vehicle was damaged by a large group of people. While he was attempting to flee from the mob, he struck a pedestrian."

If you look at the video, too, this isn't even true. He hits the girl before people start pounding on the car. There was some confusion even among people who were right there (as I was) as to just what happened because it happened very fast. Even some people who were actually at the march did not realize… [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 11:13 AM on November 26, 2014
These shootings are not new, though. As long as I have lived here in MPLS, there have been a couple every year. As I've said elsewhere here, I know two people who witnessed police shootings of mentally ill black men, one in front of his pleading family.

The other thing to understand is that cops hate even the most respectable anti-police-brutality activists and black community activists. Those people are stopped and hassled as… [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 12:06 PM on November 26, 2014
This really is not just lack of care or accountability; it's not just that black lives are held "not to matter" by the state. If it were any other society at any other point in history - apartheid South Africa, Weimar Germany, Guatemala in the eighties - we'd say that these were state-run terror operations on the order of Central American paramilitaries or the Freikorps.

There is a thin layer of deniability because the actual killings… [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 11:54 AM on December 3, 2014
Sincere question, not at all intended to distract from the more important questions but since there's a new Garner thread, maybe there's some room in this longboat for it - why don't white people much seem to care about police brutality against white people, either?

I have an opinion on this, as a white person: the very idea of state violence is organized around anti-blackness, nationalism and white supremacy, which is why a lot of… [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 11:27 AM on December 4, 2014

Could you elaborate on this point, Frowner? I'm not sure what you mean.

I will try! I hadn't thought this all through quite like that until just now.

"White discourse" is a vague term. I think what I'm trying to say is "all public discourse in the US that does not explicitly work to be anti-racist" or "all public discourse in the US that assumes that this is a basically non-racist society,… [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 1:46 PM on December 4, 2014
(Since people said kind things about these two comments, I want to add: these thoughts are the results of reading Andrea Smith, WEB DuBois, Bell Hooks, James Baldwin and many tumblr things by black tumblr-ites and tumblr-ites of color, also from talking to Native friends, plus other work and conversations I'm sure I'm not thinking of in the moment. These comments are things that I just realized in this form but they're not ideas that are original to me.)
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 2:03 PM on December 4, 2014
One thing I wish could happen at these protests, based on having been a white person at a number of them: I think someone (in consultation with the organizers and choosing the best person to say this kind of thing, whoever it is) could say, at the short speeches that begin these things, "I want to talk to the white people who are here tonight" and then just say "we are here for Michael Brown and Eric Garner and the black people who have been killed. We're here… [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 8:11 AM on December 7, 2014

America's Worst College... Or Is It?
I just could not believe that Shimer is the worst college in America under any circumstances, because Adam Kotsko teaches there, and everything he writes about his teaching and his classes sounds simply fantastic. I'm a pretty hard core atheist (not a "New Atheist", just to clarify) but I actually read his theology posts and links. I went to a highly regarded small liberal arts college, and nothing I took was nearly as thoughtfully organized or as complex in argumentation as Kotsko's… [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 7:30 AM on December 7, 2014

Everything is Problematic

I have [radical credentials that make me authentically oppressed; avoid mentioning advantages]. Sad anecdote.

In the past I was so radical! I used to do [medium-difficulty things that will seem extreme to a non-activist audience].

But some of my peers were even more radical and used to do [things that establish me, by contrast, as a good person and a reasonable narrator].

Then my… [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 7:04 AM on December 5, 2014
The thing is, yes, activism can get pretty depressing, and it's certainly important to be able to look at stuff and say "this situation is toxic" or "this group work is not something I can healthily do right now".

And this person does put their finger on a genuine contradiction in activist stuff (and a big philosophical problem!) - how do we know what we know? how do we evaluate truth claims? how do we distinguish between truth claims? Who knows,… [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 7:32 AM on December 5, 2014
"how do you know it wasn't police PRETENDING to be black bloc guys?"

My answer would be that anyone who knows anything about how undercovers operate would know that this is not how the cops would do it - if cops were looking to COINTELPRO people, they would have one or two people deep undercover to fuck up the organizing and turn people against each other, not just do something stupid with a puppet that everyone will be… [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 7:38 AM on December 5, 2014
I have it on somewhat good authority that the puppet fire you're referring to was actually police infiltrators and not "legit" protesters.

I would be super interested to know more about this by memail - although of course, not anything naming names.

It just sounds so much like fool things I've seen activists do. (I once saw a radical puppeteer let off fireworks inside and start a small fire in a very, very crowded space with one door.)
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 7:40 AM on December 5, 2014
I guess, but I think this is probably equally true of all people. As humans, we want the world to make sense, and we want to feel that our actions matter. It seems kind of fucked up to put that on bourgie middle class college kids, as if people from lower class backgrounds or whatever group don't think the world is supposed to make sense in any way and are just cool with chaos and cynicism at all times.

I have to go and do stuff, but I will quickly… [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 7:49 AM on December 5, 2014
I just think it's a shame because there are lots of deeply passionate people that care a lot and might be a little more thin-skinned, less actively hostile, generally not as demonstrative, and interested enough to ask lots and lots of questions rather than assuming the other side are a bunch of drooling morons.

And there's this perpetual tension, though. Like, some things have to be the province only of awful people - there is no… [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 10:08 AM on December 5, 2014

100 Years of Beauty in 1 Minute
The facial expressions were the best part. The other stuff struck me more as "hairstyles of the past 100 years if they were designed to make you look beautiful by the standards of 2014", which I think is totally legit and interesting in its own right - like how if you look at a movie made in 1965 but set in 1920, it's "1960s-1920s".

It seems hard to do these "on the decade mark",, the nominally-1990 one was absolutely… [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 5:54 AM on December 5, 2014

Hunting Task Wabbits
(Crongratulations, you've just invented money.

Just so that everyone is clear on this point - in theory this is how one "invents" money; historically this is not how money developed. If you were using a sharing system on the historical model, you'd basically lend your neighbor with the cakes your leafblower and have the social relation/informal debt of a cake. (Although I think one sharing point for a cake or an hour of… [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 10:16 AM on December 4, 2014

Gävlebocken 2014 - Long Live The Goat!
The goat makes me sad. However, I have decided to believe that all Swedish straw goats compose a hive being or collective entity, so that when one goat is torched, overall goat consciousness continues unabated.
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 11:30 AM on December 3, 2014

Artisanal Nut Milks.
From the comments: Oddly enough, the majority of their drinks are on the FODMAP (allergen and inflammatory foods) list, so they aren't really all that healthy

See now, I said to people, I said, back when this whole FODMAP thing started going around the internet: "People are going to believe that FODMAP foods are ipso facto unhealthy, just as they now believe that soy, dairy and gluten are, and the new metric for "am I being healthy enough… [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 12:52 PM on December 1, 2014
See, I like almond milk, which makes me sad due to the water thing and due to the carting-the-bees-around-to-fertilize-the-almond-blossoms thing (I'm always surprised that people consider almond milk vegan). And I have so many friends who are avoiding soy now, and both coconut milk and rice milk have flavors that don't go with all dishes, and hemp milk is expensive. Maybe I will just give up cooking for others.
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 1:04 PM on December 1, 2014
Frowner: oat milk? I haven't tried it, but I've been considering it to get around the environmental issues of coconut/almond milk and the grossness of soy/rice milk.

Oh, wait, I did try oat milk - I had forgotten. It had a strong flavor of oats that shone through in the dish. I mean, I think it would be nice to bake with, but not so much for sauces.
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 1:13 PM on December 1, 2014
Based on the education I have received here in metafilter threads, I have learned that different people have different digestive systems, so perhaps this fellow really doesn't do well with kale. I myself have to consume things made with chickpea flour in moderation, which is very sad because chickpea flour is great. I would much rather blame him for digestive hippie-punching, but I know only too well that it's possible to have a surprising and unpleasant response to certain fibrous things even… [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 2:03 PM on December 1, 2014
Why eat a "tofu-beef", when you can have a vegetarian cous-cous? Or a sandwich with "vegan sausage", when you can have a hummus sandwich, or a sandwich with tomato, grilled aubergine and lettuce? Why eat anything at all with quorn, when you can have a classic soup with pasta and legumes, or a dal, or a minestrone or thousands of other healthy, great-tasting vegetarian dishes.

"Why eat anything with a high protein content… [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 12:56 PM on December 2, 2014

Generation Gaps
You might, if you like to think that history rhymes, compare this situation to stratified late medieval/early modern societies, when the average age of marriage and first childbirth crept up into the early 30s for the average peasant. When owning a house is culturally accepted as a prerequisite for starting a family, and owning a house becomes unaffordable for most people, this is what will happen.

That's super interesting - would you say that was true… [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 7:46 AM on December 2, 2014
(The only young adults I know who are married with kids and a house are upper middle class, have decent jobs and really wanted that kind of lifestyle. I think there's several factors in play here and they get confused: first, the economic situation makes it very difficult for many people to have a kid and impossible to have a house or even a decent apartment that is child-safe; second, there are a lot more social choices than the good old compulsory… [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 7:53 AM on December 2, 2014
Yep, we are! As long as I don't try to have kids, get married, or buy a house, I can kind of just go along my merry way. Since I don't need to stockpile hundreds of thousands of dollars in order to do all of these things, I am free to work a job that lets me spend most days sitting by my fireplace with a laptop and a cat resting upon my person. I get a lot of sleep and a lot of exercise. I eat out at a pace that would astonish and appall my late, frugality-as-an-art-form father. I… [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 9:03 AM on December 2, 2014

Mean Boys
It's a nicely self-deprecating joke, but: the fact that I make a lot of money and some of my worst childhood tormenters have jail records does little to lessen my therapy bills.

My tormenters were mostly rich kids from posh backgrounds - one of them got a Mercedes Benz for his 16th birthday, which I know because he used to park it in front of my house and walk the remaining blocks to school even though there was street parking much closer so that I… [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 1:22 PM on December 1, 2014
It seems worth breaking out different types of physical and social violence by class and region. Where I grew up, for instance, in high school upper class boys might administer formal beat-downs to inferiors but only working class boys fought, ie two people actually having some kind of contest where the outcome was in doubt; upper class girls might conceivably have slapped (but I never heard of such a thing) and working class girls might fight but I never… [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 5:07 PM on December 1, 2014

Who here likes languages? I do! A lot!
(If anyone is on the fence about spending mumble-mumble-a-LOT for a copy of A Redtail's Dream, it is really fantastic to have a paper copy and it's beautifully made. She has them some of the time in her web store; it took about a month to ship from Finland. I keep thinking that surely she will get a real book contract so that her work can be more widely and easily distributed....)
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 9:36 AM on December 1, 2014

AKA "American Regional Food Stereotypes Are Entirely Accurate" -NY Times

The reason Persimmon Pudding is the most googled in Indiana just had to be a direct result of the original article. We Hoosiers, upon learning Persimmon pudding was somehow indicative of an Indiana Thanksgiving via some idiot on the East Coast, immediately googled it to determine what the hell it was. I mean, I've lived here most of my adult life and have never heard of that dish.

YOU ARE SO WRONG!!!!!… [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 1:18 PM on November 25, 2014
Frowner, what part of Indiana are you from? I'm from Warsaw and other "parts north" and this is the first I've heard of persimmon pudding.

To reply very late - I am not personally from Indiana since my dad had moved for work by the time I was born, but my dad's family is Indianan since they fled conscription by Prussians some time in the 19th century. They're Danville and Columbus-area.

Not everyone retires to… [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 9:17 AM on November 26, 2014

Slip Out the Back Jack; Make a New Plan Stan...
Well, okay, the hygiene and failure-of-hinting one made me feel really, really ill. That and the Romney one, boom.

I dread dating a serious vegan, as I mostly cook vegan but have cheese-based lapses.

I assume that most of these are really about casual relationships where you might break up over dumb stuff. I don't think I've ever broken up with someone for reasons other than We Are Boring Each Other In Most Aspects Of This Relationship.
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 8:03 AM on November 22, 2014

Liberal Dude Erotica
I was at a public event put on by an established left organization recently. The event was one where the general membership had been encouraged to come to participate in an important decision. Naturally, the parts of the membership who did show up were basically the most committed ones outside of the regular meeting-runners - members who would turn out for events, kept up with the issues and had been heavily primed with information about the issue in question.

The… [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 6:24 AM on November 21, 2014
I think what I take away from the linked piece is that it is totally unconscious on the part of the guy. He's not cynical. He really, sincerely believes that he believes his beliefs. And I surmise that among the men who are [sort of] like this, they mostly do mostly believe their beliefs and will probably go to some small degree of trouble to live them - you do encounter guys like this in contexts where they actually have to, like, go to the protest march or sit through the… [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 6:56 AM on November 21, 2014
For me a good first step in not being That White Person or That Masculine of Center Person (at which I do not always succeed) has been finding points of resistance within myself and trying to get at which I mean, if I find myself thinking "not all white people" or "well, that essay was certainly rather unfair to masculine of center people", I try to examine that feeling and why I feel so invested. After all, if someone complains about a privileged… [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 7:23 AM on November 21, 2014
I'm bothered by the tag #allmenaregarbagebutthiskindespecially. I hate feminist posturing as much as the next person but that hashtag seems unnecessarily mean.

The truth is, I don't like it much either, because I don't like calling large categories of people garbage, even in jest, and because I think that it tends to suggest that somehow men are more "garbage" than white people or cis people...I mean, just because I have had some misogynist… [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 9:12 AM on November 21, 2014
the pontifical-Chomsky-dude (he's usually Ben)

Oh my god, Chomsky dudes are so often Bens, it's horribly true.

On the other hand, I know the most wonderful Ben in the world. Perhaps Bens are either very good or very bad?
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 9:15 AM on November 21, 2014

Marry someone who will take care of the kids
Although I am once again amused to see how everyone always thinks they can buck statistics. "Oh, my husband will do 50% of the chores and childcare," everyone thinks. Never think you're better than statistics.
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 7:24 AM on November 20, 2014

I guess my question is, why does anyone have to interrogate their attraction or lack thereof? Isn't the whole point that your sexuality is your business and not the business of anyone you aren't sleeping with or trying to?

Seriously, if your "sexuality" is racist or transphobic, don't you want to put a little pressure on that? Like, yes, your sexuality is your business, but if it radically conflicts with… [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 10:12 AM on November 19, 2014
On a lived-experience level, it is so difficult to sort out all the many things that attract one to a particular individual that it seems deeply problematic to say "I am a cis-lesbian-o-sexual, I am hardwired to be incapable of being attracted to trans women" or "I am a thin-but-muscley-man-o-sexual, I am incapable of being attracted to a chubby guy ever no matter what". The more we repeat these stories about ourselves, the truer they feel and the more… [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 10:45 AM on November 19, 2014
There's an interesting double game here, because I think you're right, claiming a mere preference as an identity can have that "sheilding" effect. But only the person having the desire can possibly know how profound, how fundamental, a particular desire is to their sense of self. And people lie to themselves all the time...

See, that's why I'm much more in favor of putting a little bit of pressure on myself. I know that I'm more likely to… [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 11:06 AM on November 19, 2014
I guess what I'd add to my comment upthread is that putting a little bit of pressure on yourself about why you're attracted to people is also a political thing. Like, it doesn't make sense for me to ask myself whether I should be attracted to some random famous cis dude, because I am already constantly told that Benedict Whosis and that Young Magneto actor and so on are the very pinacles of male beauty and desirability. There are no narratives saying "Frowner, you should under no… [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 12:54 PM on November 19, 2014
I'm wondering why you're going to "saying that we should be somewhat thoughtful about where our sexual preferences come from is the same as browbeating people to sleep with you". If I'm thinking about how I learned that [category] is unattractive to me, that has nothing to do with whether other people want to sleep with me.

But again, this is a fundamental difference in how we think humans work - an… [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 1:25 PM on November 19, 2014
(I mean that seriously - that we each believe things about people that can't match up, and in a way that's sad because we can't resolve our disagreement, but unless we want to get into "and why do we believe as we do about subject formation", that's just how it's got to be. I guess what I'm trying to say is that although I disagree deeply with what you're saying, don't get the impression that I'm saying that you are arguing in bad faith.)
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 1:33 PM on November 19, 2014

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