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Come Over Here And Say That
I don't care for this "someone harasses me on Twitter and the crowd cheers as I go off to [implicitly] beat him up" business - and I was bullied quite severely in school, have various issues about feeling safe around strangers, etc.

I don't like it because it's not rational - it's just the feeling that "someone who deserves it" is going to get theirs. "Someone who deserves it" can be anyone the crowd doesn't like - it... [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 7:59 AM on March 13, 2013

This post entirely SFW
My goodness, how weird make-up is. Also, those giant doll-eyes that seem to be a tumblr make-up standard - I had no idea that you can have fairly small eyes and still do them, I'd just assumed that all those girls had large eyes to begin with.

I don't know - I think there's a fundamental philosophical issue here, on which I don't claim to be on the right side. Things-on-top-of-things disturb me - I used to live in a place where the living room floor had ingrained... [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 3:29 PM on March 9, 2013

I mean, everyone will look different with make-up on. Sure. But some of these, I recognized them with make-up on, but totally didn't recognize them without. Like could not recognize them. How many porn stars am I passing every day, but just not recognizing them?


Which probably provides a measure of safety for them, right? I mean, if you want to go out in your star persona, you can wear the make-up - or you can just run down to the bodega... [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 3:34 PM on March 9, 2013
It is fascinating how much of that look we consider conventionally sexy and beautiful is just... paint.

Which is kind of neat, actually. I bet you could put a ton of make-up on me and squeeze me into some sort of sequin corset and I'd look....well, startlingly different from my lived gender presentation and likely to get a very different sort of attention. I'd always assumed - back when I thought/cared about it - that my problem was that I was ugly, but perhaps not.
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 3:37 PM on March 9, 2013
Vis-a-vis reddit: well, the whole point of the social economy of sex work is to have a class of women it's safe to hate and mock in the "daylight" of regular life who are then also sexually available at "night". I'm not sure whether it's because a lot of guys can't actually handle both loving a woman and being sexual with her because that is too much like equality or even vulnerability, so maybe there has to be some contempt and control in the mix for them to be able to... [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 3:45 PM on March 9, 2013
But what do you do when someone whom you like goes the extra distance and puts on make-up for a special occasion? I don't need to enforce my prejudices but it's hard to feign excitement when you are thinking to yourself "Well, I'm GGG but I'm not all that into making out with a clown."

Me personally? By the time I'm into someone enough to want to make out with them, their actions and appearance are invested with an allure of their own.... [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 4:15 PM on March 9, 2013
You know, I bet a lot of us know women (or guys) who have done a little porn. I know I know a reasonable number of people who have done sex work, ranging from a fairly trivial "I did a little go-go dancing at a club when I was 20" to more intense stuff. When I look at some of these girls, they could easily be, like, girls I used to know from going to punk shows. It could be that we've all got friends who've done this work and who are too ashamed or nervous of the... [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 5:18 PM on March 9, 2013
They just want to be pretty, to be looked at and admired, while the machinery that turns lost girls into profit for unscrupulous men churns and grinds away their lives.

See, I'm really uneasy about this logic - certainly it's a better approach than, like, "look at all the meth-heads who are dumb enough to get into this business, now let's go watch some porn", which is where a lot of people go with this type of thing IME.... [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 6:27 PM on March 9, 2013

TSA troubles
Actually, IIRC, we could bring small pocket knives to school when I was in high school.

We actually did have a stabbing (bullied kid turns on the bully, chases him down the hall, stabs him in the chest; bully had also bullied me pretty badly and consistently, so this gave me some complicated feelings) - turns out it's really hard to kill someone with a small pocket knife.

Of course, in my entire familiarity with that high school - about twenty... [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 12:28 PM on March 9, 2013

Godwin Orwelled
It's worth noticing that right at the end of the essay Rall makes sure to point out that a young guy who was entrapped by the Feds into some kind of fake "blow up a Christmas tree in a crowded location" plot - a young guy who was Somali and thus I assume Muslim - "really meant it" and thus deserved to go to jail. Scary misogynist creeper who at the very least was using his cop powers to stalk women? A victim of jackbooted state thuggery! Young Somali dude who was actually... [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 2:32 PM on March 8, 2013

The Professor, the Bikini Model and the Suitcase Full of Trouble
One story about his search for a new wife certainly bolstered this view. Shortly after his divorce, Frampton, then 64, expressed concern about finding a wife between the ages of 18 and 35, which Frampton understood to be the period when women are most fertile. One particularly promising candidate was a young Chinese woman.

It's relatively rare that misogynist entitlement actually lands a dude in jail. As someone who is basically anti-prison, I am... [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 6:34 AM on March 8, 2013

#followmeto one paradise after another
Wouldn't it be awful if he had taken these same pictures but he and especially his girlfriend were just average-looking? Or his girlfriend didn't like to wear really short shorts? Or worse, if they were old? Or still worse, fat? That would totally mar the experience and the concept.
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 8:43 AM on March 7, 2013

Hotkey ',' to Corner the Global Energy Market.
I have stolen a tray and used it as a sled - admittedly, this was in 1993 and it was a different world. The practice was called traying, and it was wonderful - trays make great sleds. College students today probably just take trays to make porn photos on tumblr or something; things have gotten a lot more sophisticated than when I was that age.

I recognize, though, that there is a problem involved in all of this - the people who take the... [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 7:25 AM on March 7, 2013
I don't know - my college dining experience was actually pretty healthy, and the food court that we have here at the Large Land Grant Institution is just jumped up fast food, basically - pizza or bagels and cream cheese or fancy-yet-very-caloric mexican food for every meal is just way more fat and salt and calories than a pretty ordinary plate of, like, the Sunday red-beans-and-rice or the pretty ordinary sandwich bar and salad choices we had. I don't know what I'd do if I were a college kid... [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 7:53 AM on March 7, 2013
My college went from having (when I was there) real staff who got paid meaningful wages and benefits and who were employees of the college (and therefore, whose kids got the employee tuition break) to being an outsourced service (shortly after I left). The outsourced service was more deluxe, or so I hear - pizza available at every non-breakfast meal, fancier desserts - but the wages were shitty, the benefits were shitty and the cafeteria workers lost the tuition break. And this at a nominally... [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 8:33 AM on March 7, 2013

2012 Rise In CO2 Levels Second-Highest In 54 Years
I'm not actually worried about the whole "you live in the city what will you do when there is less food" thing, or the "buy farmland and train your kids to [do useful thing]" line.

What do you all think is going to happen when there are shortages massive enough to affect those of us in the well-situated parts of the world? Do you think government is going to disappear and the lucky and smart will retreat to their farms? No,... [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 6:30 AM on March 6, 2013
At this rate, why should I bother putting money in my 401k?

I was just talking with a friend about whether we thought things were going to be bad enough fast enough that we didn't need to worry about retirement. Our consensus was that we were slightly too old (late thirties and late forties) to trust to total social collapse coming in time.
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 6:55 AM on March 6, 2013

Don't call it the Harlem Shake
The dance "craze" at the time was best described as "white man's overbite"—if you've seen it, you know what I'm talking about.

What is the white man's overbite? I must know.

I've played music at some dance parties where the vast majority of people were white...I have mixed feelings about the whole "lol white people dancing" thing because if you spend some time watching a white... [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 6:48 AM on March 5, 2013
Yes, we can all say that if I dance at all to popular music I am dancing styles originated by African Americans and therefore [reducing arguments about race, context and specifics to a flat abstraction]. But I'm still going to look and feel stupid if I try to twerk, and I'm still going to have people of color who I actually know think that it's a stupid, bad, culturally appropriative idea, even though they don't care if I'm also out there flailing away to... [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 8:59 AM on March 5, 2013

How Pegging Can Save the World
I read the Hugo "planning to murder his ex" piece when it was live. This is what I remember:

That he decided that he and his girlfriend would both be better off dead - both were depressed and messed up and drunks, if I remember correctly. He tried to kill them by turning on the gas but it didn't work.

The part that was creepy to a lot of people was how he had this whole sort of gross "I am so special and I was really messed up... [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 5:43 PM on March 1, 2013
Or did he actually turn on the gas? Maybe he just planned to and was too high? Oh lord it was creepy though.
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 5:44 PM on March 1, 2013
I mean, what would be nice would be if people could work through their anxieties (which I think are kind of about homophobia and toxic ideas of masculinity and femininity) to the point where people could genuinely try this whole pegging business to see whether they'd like it, not because it would be a social justice transformation but because quite a few people enjoy the process and it seems a shame to miss out because you have stupid received ideas that men... [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 1:32 PM on March 2, 2013

Privilege to pee
Does anyone have any good links to accounts of the lived experience of gender dysphoria? That's the part about being trans that I have the most trouble understanding and empathising with - as a cis person, I've never felt "right" or that my genitalia and body fits my self-conception, I've just sort of bumbled along and dealt with things like the development of secondary sexual characteristics as they arose. I'd say that my physical body is pretty orthogonal to my... [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 9:46 AM on February 27, 2013
I am just not sure what kind of "harassment" we're envisioning here.

1. I was harassed by girls in the girls' bathroom when I was a bullied child.

2. If a boy is going into the bathroom claiming that he identifies as a girl specifically in order to push his way into a stall with a girl, grab her, name call her, etc etc...those are things that should be stopped because of behavior, not gender. They are things that should be stopped if a... [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 10:48 AM on February 27, 2013
a) "The whole idea of 'gender' is a social construct and completely meaningless/damaging, especially to gay men and all women"

b) "My child is VERY firm in being a male/female and must be treated by these same norms as he/she wishes regardless of the wishes of the cisgendered majority"


This is actually an interesting question!

I feel like it's sort of a trick question, though,... [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 1:02 PM on February 27, 2013
Don't get me wrong - I'm all for allowing people who have gender-reassignment surgery switch the bathroom they use. These people have made significant sacrifices to change their lifestyle, so I'm willing to assume good faith on their part."

Until I started actually learning about this stuff, both for myself and because of my milieu, I had a lot of wrong ideas about how easy it is to access and afford gender-reassignment surgery,... [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 2:08 PM on February 27, 2013
I actually would like all the biological details. I know that surgery is expensive, and I have friends who can't afford it and have fundraisers and such, but I do not have any trans friends who do not want the surgery on anything but financial grounds. In fact, that has been raised a lot in the thread - that you have body parts that are wrong and don't belong there. I know if I woke up tomorrow with a penis I would freak out and try like hell to get it fixed. I cannot imagine, as a... [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 2:20 PM on February 27, 2013
end up with a working

Okay, that was a hugely bad way to phrase that. "Working" genitals are the ones that do what you want them to do. I was trying to get at "some folks would prefer not to have a surgically created penis that does not function in the way that a non-surgically-created one does in terms of getting hard and getting not-hard, etc".

I want to state clearly that everyone gets to pick!... [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 2:27 PM on February 27, 2013
Including, among others, that they like the genitalia they currently have and see no need to change.

That too! I was thinking that but somehow got nervous about saying it because I feel some anxiety myself about not wanting to change certain aspects of my gender presentation and body because I am comfortable with them for me, even if they may read as feminine.
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 2:30 PM on February 27, 2013
Also, thread, we seem to have forgotten that trans men exist. Either because of the situation in the FPP or because it's lazy to talk about trans women as a dangerous other, I don't know.

Trans men get a pass on a lot of this stuff while everyone panics about trans women, I think, due to a weird mixture of sexism and misogyny - it's really all about the centrality of cis men and their anxieties about their genitals. A trans woman must not be a real... [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 8:13 AM on February 28, 2013
You know what? I've seen some penises in my time and they did not blind me. I am alternately bemused and disturbed by this whole "there is a penis in the locker room! Whatever shall we do?" line. If there's someone staring at you or behaving badly in some other way in the locker room, it's reasonable to complain. If you're not expecting a penis-having person in the locker room, it's reasonable to find out what is going on; if you are a penis-having person who... [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 12:15 PM on March 1, 2013
(I add that as a girl-living person of eight years old, I was actively instructed by the staff at my local YMCA to use the boys' locker room - there was some work being done on the girls', the boys' was supposed to be cleared out for girls to use, but between the time that I left my stuff there and the time my swim lesson ended, the staff had finished the work and (very stupidly) decided that now girls should go back in the girls and boys in the boys. (I assumed they'd been... [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 12:24 PM on March 1, 2013

Also, who is harmed by this accomodation? Colleen Francis still was able to use the locker room - even the main, big one. The swim team of girls got to have their own space.


Honestly, the accommodation is "eh" to me - I think things like that need to be worked out among people who treat each other respectfully as individuals. In some situations, that accommodation could be respectful - like, if Colleen Francis felt comfortable... [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 12:35 PM on March 1, 2013

“New Orleans is easy pickings,”
We always used to call them crusties or gutter punks around here until a few years ago - but I have been told that "crusty" actually used to be a specific music subculture ("crustcore"?) and "gutter punk" was an aesthetic, where as "oogle" is about the whole drunk/dirty/patched/fucked-up thing.

I've met a lot of oogles from volunteering in radical and anarchist spaces. I used to know a traveller kid/para-oogle pretty well. (It was... [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 12:43 PM on February 27, 2013

Effects of Bicycle Helmet Laws on Children's Injuries
I wrote a big post but then decided that I'd simply observe that I was a fat kid who rode my bike a lot. It's worth remembering that biking has lots of health benefits (and regular exercise mitigates a LOT of health problems that come along with being significantly fat so it is absolutely worth it and a good idea) but it doesn't mean that if you bike you will be thin, and it doesn't mean that if you're fat you aren't biking.

In fact, I am fairly fat... [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 7:10 AM on February 27, 2013
I've never, never understood why helmet laws were such an issue. I cycle a fair amount (although that's gone down a bit since I got a motorcycle), grew up where helmets were mandatory until the age of 18 and wearing one just seems normal. The cheapest helmets run for $15, and some very well-rated and reviewed ones are still between $60 and $100. Not a huge investment in the long run. I could have stopped wearing on when I turned 18, but that would be ridiculous. And, as I did manage to... [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 7:58 AM on February 27, 2013
This is a bigger problem than helmets. Why should safety suffer because your cops are racist?

If the public safety benefit is marginal (which it obviously is, or the research would not be so equivocal), and there's no way to reign in the cops, it's foolish to give the cops more power to harass and assault. If we do not now have a police force that can be trusted to implement public policy so that it actually helps the public (and... [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 11:03 AM on February 27, 2013

The Channing Tatum America Didn't Know It Needed
I assumed they meant Rainer Werner Fassbender there for a minute, and I was thinking "a quart low on reliability, yes, but mystery?"
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 11:04 AM on February 24, 2013

The myth of universal love
....and guess what gender and race good old S. Asma belongs to? And his general physiognomy? Short, swarthy and chubby or blond, blue-eyed and thin? And his social class? Is he one of the few proles teaching at Columbia? A short look at Wikipedia is revealing.

My contention, speaking as a whitey of northern European descent, is that folks like me tend to feel that it's too much of a drag to be worrying about "fairness" and... [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 11:06 AM on February 22, 2013
Oh wait, he's at Columbia Chicago, not real Columbia.
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 11:07 AM on February 22, 2013
Besides the impracticalities of such redistribution, the problems here are also conceptual. Say I bought a fancy pair of shoes for my son. In light of the one-tribe calculus of interests, I should probably give these shoes to someone who doesn’t have any. I do research and find a child in a poor part of Chicago who needs shoes to walk to school every day. So, I take them off my son (replacing them with Walmart tennis shoes) and head off to the impoverished Westside. On the way, I see a... [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 11:14 AM on February 22, 2013
or jsturgill's tl;dr version
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 11:14 AM on February 22, 2013
I mean, the whole problem is that it is just so blindly selfish and privilege-y to frame the whole "what do we do about human suffering" matter in this way - it's the "have you stopped beating your wife yet" of philosophy questions.
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 11:16 AM on February 22, 2013
Nowhere, at all, does he suggest that we should not care about or attempt to alleviate the sufferings of people in other countries.

See, what I was trying to get at is this is the wrong way to frame things - the idea that "we" (implicitly white, educated, secure, privileged - arbiters, philosophers, masters) pick and choose how we allot our feelings (as we might develop an investment portfolio) among those closest to us and... [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 11:45 AM on February 22, 2013
These days middle class liberals seems far more concerned with equity than equality; with ending discrimination on the basis of irrelevant characteristics like gender and sexuality rather than ending poverty.

It's certainly worth reading the other linked posts, by the way - they show you precisely who you're dealing with.

In another post, someone was wondering who our Chesterton was....I'd almost nominate... [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 11:50 AM on February 22, 2013
Zizek and Badiou, who are both communist philosophers

I'm assuming that "who are both communist philosophers" is not meant to be some kind of "see, see, left wing philosophers take a similar tack to Asma" (who I keep wanting to write Asda or Asbo) as some kind of "if you're objecting to Asma on political grounds you can't because Zizek"...even if you accept that "loving all" versus "loving some" is a... [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 1:34 PM on February 22, 2013
Frowner, that was meant to be an argument for left-wing misanthropy, which can have more beneficial impacts on humanity than all the pious sentimental pity in the world. Another problem: Asma's idea that the civil rights movement and feminism are a kind of tribalism also has something in common with anarcho-communist philosophy of Jacques Ranciere, where this would be solidarity with the oppressed.

I always wonder what the fuck Zizek has done for the... [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 2:41 PM on February 23, 2013

Blame Nirvana

Er, are these really all that weird? Or were pre-Nevermind major labels going through a very conservative phase?


Yes, actually.

That's why all these "weird" albums are so male and/or straight, why a lot of them hinge on the "scandal" of talking about assholes or shit, why they are simultaneously so self-serious and so non-intellectual. That doesn't mean they're all awful or... [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 10:03 AM on February 22, 2013
And K Records! I had a lot of K records releases. And Kill Rock Stars. A lot of it is nauseatingly twee now.
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 10:06 AM on February 22, 2013

The New Essayists
I wonder what responsibility David Foster Wallace bears for all this? Everyone is name-checking Sedaris, but when I read all this "I am behaving badly just as anyone would" worm's eye view of humanity, it seems like a lazy person's Wallace, a way of making a vaguely Wallace-esque observation but then totally letting oneself off the hook.
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 8:26 AM on February 22, 2013

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