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Say, do you have those in a size 7?
Yeah, they'll make a fortune on those boots, I bet. They're probably all union-made, US-made and they're a style that's super fashionable right now.

I don't know - I wouldn't buy shoes that old. Everyone is all "oh, good shoes last for a really long time", but those shoes have been getting dried out and dusty. I bought a pair of early nineties benchmade English shoes that had been sitting in a disused storage space - dead stock from a high-end shop that... [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 7:46 AM on August 10, 2013
See, I have Saphir renovateur. I have renovateur-ed a variety of items. And I still wouldn't buy fifty year old shoes without handling them first, no matter how goodyear welted they were - especially fifty year old shoes that hadn't been worn or cared for in that time. Show me a pair of Peals from 1955 that have been kept up even if they've also been worn, and I'll think about it.

I used to have some vintage women's army shoes -... [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 10:18 AM on August 10, 2013

"Elites preying on the weak, the gullible, the marginal, the poor."
I'm always reminded of what Doris Lessing wrote about her observations of the Second World War: that everyone was having a great time. The down side was that you could be killed, if you were an actual soldier, RAF pilot, etc - but outside of the actual combat situations, the officers, the women associated with the war effort, even the enlisted men were having a high old time. She talks about having people describe it later as wonderful, exciting, meaningful.

And of... [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 11:42 AM on August 9, 2013

Enigma popstar is fun / She wear burqa for fashion
I think it would be really neat to have a thoughtful and nuanced discussion of cultural appropriation (I have a longer thing to post about this topic!) which did not get derailed by the very simple "why can't white people wear sexy kimonos on Halloween" level questions, especially "can't I use any thing from any other culture ever?", which is either misunderstanding at best or a straw question at worst. (The question of "japonism"/"chinoiserie" is a... [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 12:17 PM on August 8, 2013
And here is my longer comment!

1. There's what you might call "vulgar cultural appropriationism" which isn't thought out very well - that's where, for instance, you get people on tumblr asking in all seriousness if it is culturally appropriative to wear flowers in their hair, because they are only familiar with Polynesian traditions about this and think that white people are ripping off Polynesians instead of recognizing that pretty much every human society... [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 12:54 PM on August 8, 2013
Tell that to a medieval woman who couldn't get a dowry. Socioeconomically, in the West's history some women certainly were forced to join monastic orders. And during many of our own various inquisitions and witch hunts, women certainly were killed for dressing immodestly. But this is getting off-topic. I cede the point, trivially, but it is absolutely true that the historical roots of the burqa and the habit are closely bound up together.

I think one... [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 1:40 PM on August 8, 2013
Also, history never goes away. "It happened 600 years ago" does not mean that "it" has stopped echoing in the world. If only!!! History, a slaughtering bench, etc.

Again, much more comfortable to talk about this at the level of the aesthetic/fashion rather than at the level of power and violence.
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 1:42 PM on August 8, 2013

I think it would be great if we could have discussions about this stuff where the conversation wasn't derailed when people who bother to ask questions and seek discussion are passive-aggressively told they're too stupid to participate and that only the people who know everything already deserve to speak.


Well, I think that the internet's greatest gift to me was to get me in the habit of doing a little bit of googling... [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 1:58 PM on August 8, 2013
Doesn't this echo back to LogicalDash post, Cultural appropriation is what you call the reuse of other cultures' symbols when you disapprove of it.

No, it means that I am queer and I work a union gig which I am fucking lucky to have - and that I deal with homophobia far more regularly than I would like and I hear a shit-ton of union-bashing and deal with the perpetual attempts of the right to loot the pension fund and slash our insurance. Whereas I am... [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 1:59 PM on August 8, 2013
Given that Otzi the Iceman, a European from ~3,300 BC has tattoos, I'd say tumblr is a bit off on that one.

The thing is, tattooing as a modern Western practice by white people is pretty clearly traceable to maritime contact with Polynesian peoples - some positive and friendly, some brutal and genocidal. It's like dreadlocks - white people with dreads are not wearing them as an unbroken tradition from the druids of yore, but because of reggae or the... [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 2:05 PM on August 8, 2013
My, isn't this a friendly thread to be a Dane in. I'll just fuck off now.

My partner is a Dane. I have been to Danish cultural events. "Filthy Danes" is a quote, in fact, from a Danish TV show - said by the Swedish villain, which is why it's funny. I don't want to trample on anyone's experiences, but as someone who did in fact grow up in a family where Swedish culture was alive and well, went to a heavily Norwegian school and has lived in... [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 5:44 PM on August 8, 2013

You've never heard "dumb Swede" jokes? I mean, sure, there's not real, ongoing prejudice against Swedes or Norwegians now, but a lot of them settled the Midwest, and I can't help but wonder if the stereotypes of the strong, taciturn men unintereted in city dwelling -and not very bright - that we seem to hold about that area have anything to do with stereotypes of the Swedes and Norwegians.


Oh, I've heard... [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 5:19 AM on August 9, 2013
Actually, if I can post an email from My Partner The Culturally Danish Danish-American:

Okay, here are some other things:
1. When we look critically at the relative social position of people of Scandinavian descent, it's important to recognize that Scandinavians have occupied a privileged position right from the start. In contrast to almost every other immigrant group, with the possible exception of English people, Scandinavians were never legally
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posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 6:07 AM on August 9, 2013

The [INSERT JOB TITLE]'s Daughter
This is great! I've always hated those "The [Serious Person Title]'s Daughter", not least because there aren't a lot of novels where a woman gets to be the apostate or the general or the murderer or the vegan baker or whatever at all, and especially few books where a woman gets to be the apostate, general, etc without the whole book revolving around the fact that she is a woman! being an apostate! and dealing with its ramifications for her femininity and relationships...whereas all... [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 6:14 AM on August 7, 2013

WANTED: MACHO MEN WITH MUSTACHES
My previous understanding of the Village People was actually that they were mostly straight but had been created cynically to exploit the gay disco market. So I guess part of that was true.

I would add, though, that everyone I have ever known to dance to Village People songs (including a bunch of Lutheran college students in 1992) thought of all those songs as a bit of a giggle because they were understood to be about homosexuality. It was like... [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 11:42 AM on August 2, 2013
(About Stonewall and this story - I actually looked up the Edmund White business, as that sounded inaccurate. He was there, but in his own memoir he notes that he thought that the rioters were taking too big a risk, making too big a deal out of things and should not have done it. (His politics changed - he writes about this in the context of closeted self-hatred.) Also, I wish this story had noted that a LOT of the rioters at Stonewall were queers of color and trans women... [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 12:20 PM on August 2, 2013

"I'm done"

Would a woman who tried to kill her ex-girlfriend ever be so publicly and passionately lauded as a valiant defender of womens' rights because hey, look, she's totally great and trustworthy aside from that whole pesky "attempted murder" thing? Or are we meant to sweep unsuccessful attempts at murder-suicide under the rug when they're committed by people -- which is to say, men -- who struggle with drug addiction or mental health issues? This is explicitly gendered
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posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 3:57 PM on August 1, 2013
The lovemaking was as desperately hot as it was desperately heartbreaking. We were both so thin, so battered, so covered in both fresh and aging scars. “We look so beautiful,” Keri said, catching a glimpse of our bodies in the mirror as she rode me. “So sweet,” she whispered as she came, “so sweet, so sweet.”

Did he write this down in his journal? I mean, this was 1998 - I'd say that I remember certain elements of important... [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 12:09 PM on August 2, 2013

“WHY ARE THESE PEOPLE OPENING FOR THE POSTAL SERVICE???”
Some things I would be interested in on this topic:

1. More specifics about whiteness, masculinity, "authenticity". I mean, I know a lot of trendy white people in their twenties, and they are mostly obsessive Big Freedia fans - this in Minneapolis! This type of article tends to assume a unified white identity (but wait, I'm not saying "not all people are like that", see point 2) when actually there are all... [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 10:50 AM on August 1, 2013
Also, I thought that Miley Cyrus in a baggy unicorn costume (which for some reason I remembered as a rabbit costume) video to be one of the creepier white-person-cultural-appropriation videos I've seen. Like, let's take twerking - which is about both physical skill and sexuality - and de-sex it so that it's okay for a white girl to perform it; let's take something that is, aesthetically, about a particular communal experience of performance and sexuality, that is about really... [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 10:57 AM on August 1, 2013
Don't you think when we get to this point (I mean, the author of the linked piece is a young white woman who is criticizing white people for not liking certain aspects of black popular culture while at the same time criticizing another young white woman for liking pretty much the same aspects of black popular culture) we're just kinda going out of our way to find reasons to put people in the wrong? "The way I enjoy so-and-so is cool and proves I'm open minded and a citizen of the... [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 11:05 AM on August 1, 2013
I really, really, really don't think that the answer to "you don't know a lot of people of color" should be "therefore you shouldn't go to an event that will have a lot of people of color at it". Concern about cultural appropriation is legit, but if it leads you to never engaging with other cultures at all something's seriously fucked up.

Oh, I know! I think cultural appropriation is a weird and poorly theorized lens through which... [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 11:11 AM on August 1, 2013
I've reread Frowner's comment several times trying to see what I missed and I can't see how Frowner is NOT saying that if a white person wants to attend a Big Freedia show they are probably racist. If you thought Frowner was joking I would draw your attention to the part that reads "I'm quite serious."

I think white people are all, in a sense, "racist". I mean, we become "white" (rather than... [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 11:17 AM on August 1, 2013

You really go through life thinking stuff like this? And sometimes saying it out loud?


Even worse that than! I've been known to read books which make these arguments! And have conversations with friends in which they talk about their work as writers of color and the difficulty in negotiating race and audience! It's horrible. I don't know how I manage not to kill myself and end my own suffering.
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 12:10 PM on August 1, 2013

Not Featured: "Waterlillies" or "The Kiss"
My first apartment? Well, technically my first apartment was so very small that all the wall space was either radiator, door or bookshelf. My first posters were one of Morrissey back before I knew how racist he was and one from that Clash On Broadway compilation. In college I had soulless posters (the famous Clash one) and then dorky posters (Sandman) plus one awesome poster (Love And Rockets, vintage, nineties, have it still in... [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 1:24 PM on July 31, 2013


I had an immense poster for Todd Haynes' "Poison". I worked for a the sort of movie theater that sold espresso, and was unbearable.


I would totally have killed for that poster.

I think I would have been unbearable if I hadn't been so dorky and awkward. The people who should have disliked me based on my actual opinions were moved to pity by my pathos and loneliness instead.
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 1:30 PM on July 31, 2013
I think there's a lurking class and accessibility question here - like, where the hell did people get all these amazing art posters? We had a very narrow selection vended by some pothead-looking dudes, and then I later had occasional trips to the alterna-comics place in the city and that was about it.

Currently I have a Beehive Collective poster illustrating the evils that white people brought to the Americas (symbolized by a giant flying wasps' nest...as it were).
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 1:34 PM on July 31, 2013
This all brings back how shocked, shocked I was that my random senior year roommate in college (random because some changes in plans meant that my previous roommate arrangements fell through) had a poster of some boy band she'd never heard just because she thought they were cute. I am not sure whether I was more shocked by the musical heresy (since I was all punk rock and everything) or by the... [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 1:46 PM on July 31, 2013
-You never bathed, were always drunk. "on my" you think "how little things have changed."

Oh gosh, I had a Crass poster. I'd forgotten that. It was the blow-up doll one. My terrible secret as a punk is that I don't really like Crass that much. They were an amazing bunch of clever people and I like all the things they wrote, but it was just too screamy for me. I have all my Crass cassettes... [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 2:21 PM on July 31, 2013
All of these with the possible exception of the absinthe ad one and maybe Nighthawks were staples of every store that sold posters, ever. I mean, I guess it depended where you went to college, geographically speaking, and when. But none of the posters mentioned are things you'd need to take trips abroad to get.

Oh dear. No, not the "amazing" art posters in the linked post, most of which I've seen in cheapo frames at, like, TJ Maxx. The... [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 6:20 PM on July 31, 2013

Women are writing science-fiction! Original! Brilliant!! Dazzling!!!
The "note to redditors" is hilarious but also very sad.

What a great list! I am going to share it with an SF class I facilitate. Happy to see Aliette De Bodard on there - she is a really terrific and very unusual writer.
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 8:23 AM on July 31, 2013

Amazon’s practices are detrimental to the nation’s economy
Making a "grand bargain" with a bunch of corporations is no bargain at all. We know that a "bargain" with corporations basically means "let's give you tax incentives; once you've wrung everything you can out of us, you'll split town".
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 12:33 PM on July 30, 2013

"The need for diapers is 'practically infinite'"

So the woman mentioned in the FPP would apparently rather starve than wash a soiled cloth diaper. I can't get worked up over this...


It just so happened that I lived with a friend who was using cloth diapers and was...well, let's say, Very Broke. She could use our washer and drier for free at any point, so she didn't have the "deal with the laundromat" issue. Babies go through a lot of diapers. You need a diaper pail, which... [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 6:36 AM on July 30, 2013

As for the laundering...from my limited experience, you can do this without the washing machine. I grew up poor, had poor relatives, and am old enough that some people still used cloth because that's what they've always done. I could be remembering things incorrectly, but seemed like a lot of the people I knew used cloth. They way I remember this being done was that the diaper was emptied in the toilet. You sloshed it around until you got the big stuff off. Pop the diaper
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posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 10:14 AM on July 30, 2013

"We have 10 different babies from which you can select."
"Alpha children wear grey. They work much harder than we do, because they're so frightfully clever. I'm really awfully glad I'm a Beta, because I don't work so hard. And then we are much better than the Gammas and Deltas. Gammas are stupid. They all wear green, and Delta children wear khaki. Oh no, I don't want to play with Delta children."

Ah, but Brave New World was the product of a better and more innocent time - in the... [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 1:30 PM on July 26, 2013

The Doom that came to Doom
Kickstarter always strikes me as being heavily mythologized - like, "all it takes to do a complex project is money and a dream!!!" and "we can ipso facto do things better than the Big Guys, with their infrastructure, institutional memory and connections". When actually, if you're a Big Guy you have a lot more resources for getting things back on track or absorbing a failure than do a couple of people with $50,000. Not that some great things haven't come out of kickstarter,... [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 6:34 AM on July 25, 2013

"But seriously, I actually have a way normal life for a teenage girl."
God, I'm old. I saw Clueless with a friend while home from college for the summer. I thought it was great, actually. On technical points it glorifies wealth and bad values in general....but so does Emma, and Emma has always been one of my very favorite novels. I thought it was a great re-imagining of the book - not a stodgy, inevitably ahistorical and politically retrograde costume film like so many movies based on Austen but something... [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 11:42 AM on July 20, 2013

Hi my name is Ebony Dark’ness Dementia Raven Way
I get the feeling that this annoys goths and fanficcers in the same way 'Star Trekkin' annoys Trekkers. Nevertheless, I felt I had to share.

Actually, it was a fanfic-writing friend of mine who told me about this whole thing. He got an enormous kick out of all this stuff. (And also linked me to all things pertaining to Mina de Malfois. I occasionally re-read Mina de Malfois when I need cheering up.)
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 10:09 AM on July 19, 2013

Welcome to Pismodise
So sick of this generation-bashing all over the internet. Perhaps some people who were born between 1946 and 1964 created the financial crisis or real estate bubbles. And perhaps some people in Generation X or Y participated in those things as well. Most of us just go to work and try to live our lives. Sick of people bashing the baby boom over Social Security as well - hey, if you all don't want to continue the program just give me back the $100,000 I've contributed and I'll call it... [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 9:13 PM on July 18, 2013

Orange is the New Black
I haven't watched this yet - it's on my List - but this passage? Does not make me want to watch it (I still will, I swear). Prison is just like college, (except with bars and guards and no freedom) and it's a learning experience that everyone should look forward to and want to have!

I mean, if you do your time and come out with some insights, that's great and more power to you. But trying to sell imprisonment as this valuable learning experience makes me want to
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posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 11:37 AM on July 15, 2013
First, the show is set in a prison and it does not grapple seriously with the actual issues facing women in prison. It is not dark enough, and doesn't show the depth of the abuse that women suffer behind bars. I will not accept anything other than unflinching, socially conscious verisimilitude in my streaming TV offerings.

I would argue that there's a categorical difference between a show set in a prison and a show set at - for example - a college, a... [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 12:49 PM on July 15, 2013
I don't actually believe that for a second, it's just hilarious coincidence, but still... wow. A comparison of this screed to the actual show should appear in their press packet, because DAMN.

Well, actually, when I was going home yesterday I realized that I had kind of done what we all hate when others do it - jumping in early in the thread with a lot of unsubstantiated stuff - and I recognize that I should not have done it. Prison issues are a... [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 2:01 PM on July 17, 2013

"...we should take a close look at repealing compulsory education."
It's funny - I tend to be most interested in an intellectual tradition which is skeptical of the enlightenment and the unified subject, tends to decry virtually everything that has actually been achieved in terms of social justice as being reformist (and therefore doomed to fail - which actually is the hazard of half-measures), etc.

And essentially I agree with all that.

But the things that have been happening lately make me... [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 11:52 AM on July 17, 2013
This whole thread is a mishmash of sneer. Isn't possible to show disdain with better ideas? Denial of obvious problems with any system isn't a solution.

And that's because no one with any political power is actually interested in the "obvious problems" - kids struggling in school, broke schools, kids who don't have enough to eat, etc. People are interested in pretending that they care about the "obvious problem"... [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 11:59 AM on July 17, 2013

Zimmerman acquitted of murdering Trayvon Martin
This brings back something for me: a long time ago, I lived in a house next door to a place there was a murder. One of my housemates was a young black woman. She saw most of the murder - not the critical moment, but she saw the quarrel through a window and saw the victim run out fatally stabbed to die on the street in the rain. The cops came, and then they left for a while, and they left the body out there, uncovered, in the rain for 14 hours until my housemate called the mayor's office. (I... [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 4:28 AM on July 14, 2013

"The bloodiest battles took place in the marketing meetings"

What I think he's really doing is breaking Sears up into salable pieces or pieces that can become corporations in their own right with separate stock, and sweetening those pieces by transferring long term liabilities from them to the parts he knows won't sell or be able to stand on their own; then, when he's sold or hived off the artificially sweetened good pieces, collecting massive executive bonuses and options along the way, the moribund remainder, now crammed with
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posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 7:35 PM on July 12, 2013
So basically, the product of the business is no longer widgets or even dividends - it's fancy jobs for the already-rich. When you stop seeing businesses as about providing a product, a service or even an ego boost and start seeing them as all about being a jobs farm and a money distribution system for the elite, a lot of confusing business decisions suddenly start to make sense.
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 7:37 PM on July 12, 2013

I've looked at appliances at Sears.com many times. Their site is actually pretty sweet. You can filter your search to show you a list of pretty much EXACTLY what you are looking for. However, I don't own any of these products because the store didn't offer delivery. How in the fuck am I going to get a stove to my house myself? And I'm sure as shit not going to order it online and have it shipped via Fedex. Can you imagine the cost of that? How are you going to make money by
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posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 10:11 AM on July 13, 2013

AT THE DAWN OF THE DANCE APOCALYPSE
I definitely don't read this as "Janelle Monae Gets Sexed Up in Preparation to Sell More Records" as your post seems to fear.

The thing is, I am uncertain to what degree I am projecting onto Monae a set of concerns about being a young queer woman of color trying to make it as a musician - an enormously talented and obviously really smart young woman, of course, surrounded by a bunch of enormously smart and talented collaborators. The thing... [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 4:48 PM on July 9, 2013
Is there some Official Radical Queer Theory Politburo that determines the party line on these things, or just a bunch of people being extremely cruel to each other on tumblr?

Surely you know the answer to this question.

(Or really, People Being Cruel To Each Other On Tumblr constitute a terrible Big Other for which we all perform.)

Actually, this song reminds me a bit of "Make The Bus, in terms of... [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 7:48 PM on July 9, 2013

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