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“Let’s, Like, Demolish Laundry”
“I’m positive that we could go on Craigslist and post an ad for a delivery driver, and find plenty of people with crappy cars who would work for minimum wage,” he says, grabbing his laptop and flopping onto a couch in the Washio break room. “But I mean, you are going to get crappy people who don’t want to put their best effort forward and have a shitty vehicle that looks not nice. We decided to go a different route, where we can have premium people doing ­premium work.” He presses play… [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 12:07 PM on June 5, 2014

I'm not clear on why this is more sinister than other delivery services. But I'm a Bay Area software engineer with a philosophy degree, so I guess no more could be expected.

See, this is one reason that I actually want to do my own laundry. I don't want to become the kind of person who feels that some underpaid immigrant somewhere should do my laundry for a pittance at any hour of day or night so that it can be returned… [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 12:20 PM on June 5, 2014
You know what's even worse? I've heard there are services where you can call someone or even go online and order food to be delivered to your house!

Yeah, and most of those are shit jobs dependent on a long chain of shitty food production and delivery jobs, jobs which immiserate workers all around the world. When those workers are paid a living wage, then we'll talk. Otherwise it's just Shoe Event Horizon all the way down.… [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 12:31 PM on June 5, 2014

J.C. Leyendecker
This is great - I've often wondered about those very kind of images, since they're posted on men's style blogs all the time, collected in manly-man men's style books, etc, and yet are so obviously the product of a gay sensibility. There are quite a few ads - even up through the fifties - which look to me like they're produced gay ad men.

Did Leyendecker ever chuckle, I wonder, as he turned in his work?
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 9:09 AM on June 5, 2014
Posted, that is, by men who have a lot invested in just how straight and "perfect heterosexual gentleman who gets all the ladies" they are.
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 9:10 AM on June 5, 2014

They told me I was gonna have to work for a living
I thought the really important part of Debt was actually the whole "money did not arise from barter, here is how early trade and distribution of resources happened" - in short, the anthropology part. The issue with the various-awful-things-we-lump-together-misleadingly-as-"capitalism" isn't bound up in how you measure GDP or if more people work as clerks or whatever, it's the narrative which says "from the very… [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 9:32 AM on June 4, 2014
(Also, I thought the post the Graeber was responding to on CT was really patronizing in tone and if it had been aimed at me, I probably would have stewed over it until I did something really stupid, rude and lacking in self-control, just as he did.)
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 9:34 AM on June 4, 2014

I took "schlock" in this context to mean more "songs that evoke the feelings that people really do have but do not admit because they are excessive/embarrassing/pathetic/ridiculous". Because I am a total music snob, I am unfamiliar with the vast, vast majority of these songs and artists, but surely most people have felt some kind of great saccharine welling-up of "if you don't love me I'll just die" or "everything I do, I do it for you"… [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 9:22 AM on June 4, 2014

Conflict of Exclusivity Within the LGBT Community
Why is excluding people on the basis of self-gender-designation OK, when excluding people on the basis of genitalia is not? What if it was a No-Jews weekend? No-Blacks? No-People-Who-Consider-Themselves-Mixed-Race-Or-Nonwhite?

Oppressions may rhyme, but they are not identical. The kinds of harm that are done to women in a misogynist society are not the same as the kinds of harm that are done to Jews in an… [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 2:00 PM on June 3, 2014
I think I'd be more comfortable with this development if it didn't also involve a fair number of ugly stereotypes of LGB sexuality (especially bisexuality) coupled with aggressive identity policing based on those stereotypes. I think one of the low points for me lately was getting my hands on Beyond Binary: Genderqueer and Sexually Fluid Science Fiction edited by Brit Mandelo. Then I read reviews along the lines of "bisexuality is not sexual fluidity." Which makes me want to… [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 9:03 AM on June 4, 2014

Make the Economy SCREAM!
You have only to read Marc Cooper's account of being in Chile during the coup, working as one of Allende's translators, to realize that the US embassy in Chile knew what was going down. More, the embassy turned away US citizens who were involved with the Allende government, probably leading to deaths at the hands of the security services. Cooper turned into a total keyboard commando/Iraq war apologist, but his book Pinochet and Me is… [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 1:10 PM on June 3, 2014
And it just shows to go you that you might as well be a Lenin, because when you try to create social change legitimately and with reasonable concessions to the elites, those same elites and their US assistants come and murder you.
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 1:13 PM on June 3, 2014

when I wear a skirt, it makes them think about gender and not jumping to
Perhaps it is good to distract from some readers' "comprehension" - as Rory Marinich pointed out in, I think, the misogyny thread, sometimes communication that makes people uncomfortable or uncertain or that they find challenging is productive. It pushes people to think a bit harder about things and makes them extra aware of their pre-existing assumptions. This is especially true when we're not talking about a… [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 8:53 AM on June 2, 2014
I get where you're coming from, but I'm having difficulty seeing the difference between passing as straight at work during the week and partying it up with fellow queers on the weekend, you know? A lot of work environments are incredibly toxic to the non-gender-conforming.

And yet, so much of this has to do with who speaks, who gets represented the most - less what people actually do than what they say about themselves and how… [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 11:18 AM on June 2, 2014
I think one lurking issue too is that a lot of folks including me have rather undertheorized understanding of "femme". And I think femme-ness is a difficult concept, and there's a whole bunch of stuff entwined with it that's about race and class and gender and is fundamentally inseparable from theorizing what femme is.

Like, sometimes I see people talking about "femme" and they're pretty clearly talking about a… [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 11:37 AM on June 2, 2014
For me, and for the other fabulous cuties I know who self-identify as femme, femme is defined however you darn well please.

See, the thing that frustrates me a little bit about this is when I get caught up in discourses where people are doing the whole "femme is love, femme is glitter, femme is exploding your binary" thing and I am positioned in that conversation as not-love and implicitly binary-endorsing because not-femme, and yet the… [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 12:40 PM on June 2, 2014
Frowner, agree, also the weird neotenous pastel thing that is going on in internet gender circles straight up gives me the creeps and while I'm willing to assume at least part of that is my internalized misogyny something is awry there.

I think there can be cultural fashions that aren't awry, though - I think we live in a society where we are expected to express our identity through possessions and style in a really hyperbolic way everywhere. Lord… [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 1:04 PM on June 2, 2014
I am also intrigued that you call out pointy fingernails and sea witch as alluring.

I think there's a strong tradition of the alluring "grotesque" - it's the allure of the grotesque that gives it power and also makes it hated, because people resent being allured (for all kinds of reasons). I think also when the "wrong" people have power, that's always figured as scary - Ursula the Sea Witch is alluring/grotesque (rather than just… [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 2:29 PM on June 2, 2014

Rap Shirts for White People
There are
black folks on pintrest .. some black people play
croquet ... some black people have cats

This is why a lot of that "lol white people" stuff done by white people bothers me. "Ha ha, yes, white people are so nerdy and can't dance and we all enjoy locally sourced sandwich ingredients!" It really seems to boil down to "white people are cerebral and restrained, while people of color are… [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 7:43 PM on May 31, 2014

I have the photo, but I don't remember being there...
For a couple of years I used to do some movement photography and video at protests and events - partly for documentary purposes, partly for legal (ie, documenting interactions with cops). I wasn't especially good at it and didn't have a fast enough camera, so eventually I stopped. Prior to that, I used to take photos on my own at big events* with a faster, cheaper film camera**.

My experiences do match the article, in that I remember far, far less of the events where I… [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 7:05 AM on May 31, 2014

"I wish girls were attracted to me. I don’t know why they aren’t."
A thing: when you say " a lot of men hate women", I have noticed that men often respond by saying "oh, that's not true, men want to have sex, men want to have relationships, how can they do that and still hate women?" But the thing is, it's perfectly possible to want to have a relationship or sex and still hate women. I think a lot of men actually do hate women, like, really hate them. And the reason that stuff like this shooting won't be recognized as a… [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 6:35 AM on May 25, 2014
I have seen a few posts from people taken from online discussions and reposted on Twitter for mockery. Many of them say that this is the fault of women - that we aren't nice enough, are too quick to dismiss disaffected young men. And that's made me second-guess myself. If I was nicer to the weird misogynistic racist guy, would he have been less misogynistic and racist? If I turned someone down, will they develop bitterness that leads to rage, and could I have prevented that by allowing… [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 8:35 AM on May 29, 2014
(Oh, a key feature at the time was an atmosphere of emergency - "we don't have time for your gender issues now, what is important is stopping [Big Local Quite Genuinely Very Bad Thing]". Women being safe and "feminine" things not being despised - that was positioned as trivial. Which is how I think it works in many strongly ideologized communities - academia, the church, financial institutions - where gender stuff is positioned as less… [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 8:38 AM on May 29, 2014
Perhaps the mens could listen to each other rather than insist that women listen to them. Such woman as feel, at any given point, that they are in the mood for a little feminism 101 can listen to the mens - and who among us is not occasionally 101-ing on this topic? But as a broad generality the sort of reasoning which runs "well, if [oppressed group] does not categorically commit to [listening to/teaching/etc] their oppressors, why then we will never have any change" just seems… [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 5:53 PM on May 29, 2014
To continue, actually - I think that getting to a point where we-as-privileged/as-oppressors can manage our feelings and not demand attention/validation from the people we're privileged over - that's some pretty important emotional work right there. When we are in positions of privilege, we're used to the experience of others centering our feelings, treating what we say as important, validating us, praising us when we're good, etc. We're used to our feelings being everyone's… [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 5:58 PM on May 29, 2014
And a third thing (if I may, and then I'll knock it off): I think men do need to have some clumsy, uncomfortable conversations full of "OMG I never realized that" moments and "actually male privilege is real" and "wow, imagine how awful it must be to [experience Thing]". I think those conversations are absolutely okay, partly because I have had the White Person Equivalent conversations and they have been very, very helpful to… [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 6:08 PM on May 29, 2014
It's funny - I see lots of women who engage with men on this stuff - most of the places I visit on the internet, for instance, are rife with conversations between women and men about gender. There are whole feminism 101 blogs out there, too. And there are, as Pudhoho points out, like about a billion books by women about this stuff.

So when I hear "but the women need to listen to the men", I can't help but assume one of a… [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 7:27 PM on May 29, 2014
I honestly don't get this. Why is it inherently wrong for me to discuss this with a woman? Assuming this idea of 'secondary trauma' is a real thing in this context (which I'm dubious about, because it sounds to me like just men wanting someone to clean the dirt out of their eye as per xarnop's comment, but I defer to people far more knowledgable), why should the gender of any person I discuss this with matter? I suspect it's 'because women already have enough crap to deal with' but… [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 6:29 PM on May 30, 2014
And I want to add that gender divisions do exist. Believe me, I know - I'm right up at the sharp end of them.
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 6:36 PM on May 30, 2014

Free from Choice
(It strikes me that if SpaceX has no rocket scientists - or insufficient rocket scientists - the cost is immediate and very, very high. If Soylent is sorta-kinda-good-enough and then later they discover that it's really not quite good enough, they have a lot more room to hire nutritionists and course-correct.

Several other thoughts:

Almost everyone I know (and literally every writer I've seen about Soylent) who makes a big deal about how they… [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 2:09 PM on May 30, 2014
(to clarify - it's not that every dude who can't cook has always had a woman to cook for him. It's that there is a cultural assumption that caretaking - of the body, the home, the emotions - is women's work and men don't need to learn it. Even if men can't cook, the problem is that there isn't a caretaker to do it.)
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 2:11 PM on May 30, 2014
Soylent is for people who to a large extent are not interested in eating, people who don't care what their nutrition tastes like, or even how it happens (IV drip would be fine, thnx!), so long as it's effective and convenient.

I'd actually say that it's more a point of pride - what I get from a lot of the Big Soylent Enthusiasts on the internet is that it's better not to want to eat, it's better… [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 2:51 PM on May 30, 2014
If Soylent is for people who don't want to bother with eating, then why would girls being socialized to think that cooking is important make them less likely to want Soylent?

And I'll continue real quick and then stop: the point isn't that women would/would not want Soylent - it's the culture of "how do I food" and boasting about how you can't cook or hate cooking or have more important things to do. The people who have… [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 2:53 PM on May 30, 2014

Ursula Explains It All
That was really good. I usually don't like those "fairytale villains justify themselves in a comic/ironic/postmodern register" stories, but this one was great!
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 2:27 PM on May 30, 2014

Alternate Visions
Thanks for posting that essay! I really like her work, and what a great list of writers - even now, I feel like it can be difficult to find work by writers of color and writers from outside the US or sometimes even find out lists of names.

On the subject of science fiction written by people who are not white dudes from the US, I was just recently reading this interesting essay in the DePauw Science Fiction Studies journal - Future Histories and Cyborg Labor: Reading… [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 9:33 AM on May 27, 2014

My team worked for months on this post.
Talk about an expense of spirit in a waste of shame. I understand capitalism, I understand why this is, like, a career (although I hope all those kids get benefits and aren't just contractors) but jesus god, shilling for a corporation in tightly-crafted 140-character bursts? That's your life? 24-7 working for....camembert? Mediocre camembert? So cheap and real phony, indeed.
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 8:28 AM on May 27, 2014

More like the Internet of Surveillance
I'm not sure how it works in the UK, but in the US, employer-sponsored health insurance charges everyone the same premiums. A subsidy for going to the gym 4 times a week would effectively be a back-door rate increase on women and parents of young children, as well as many with disabilities.

My employer, here in the US, has implemented a "Wellness Program" where, if you earn enough points, you get lower premiums. I looked into this and I… [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 6:50 AM on May 27, 2014
Plus, I add, the discount wouldn't even pay for gym membership!
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 6:51 AM on May 27, 2014

“How can India stop people urinating in public?”
I assume women just...hold it until they get home? Since public urination doesn't seem to be so much an option? While peeing in front of everyone and potentially messing up the drinking water is bad, it also strikes me as bad that women appear to have no option, not even that.

Of course, here in the wealthy west, we are busy getting rid of public conveniences, just in case some homeless person or one of the poors might use one.
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 3:20 PM on May 26, 2014

No helmet? No Problem.
After many years of helmetless biking, I switched to wearing a helmet this year - it was a combination of social pressure (since I got tired of having the "but statistics suggest" argument with my friends), worry about police response if I were hit and helmetless (since someone from my larger social circle was killed by a drunk driver and then blamed in the media for biking helmetless) and the fact that I have gone over the handlebars three times in the past couple of years, hitting my… [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 11:52 AM on May 22, 2014
Cyclists should not be able to roll through stop signs and red lights in urban environments because, HELLO, there are pedestrians with the right of way and the reasonable expectation that someone is not going to mow them down because "it is more efficient not to stop." Visibility is often compromised by trucks and vans parked at intersections. I can't count the number of times I've nearly been clipped by cyclists when I had the walk signal or was at a stop sign. And, for the… [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 11:55 AM on May 22, 2014

Re: helmet: I dunno, doesn't this fall under the same sort of thing as seatbelt laws? Seems like as much a good-of-society thing (traumatic brain injuries having much higher monetary and social costs than a new helmet)

There are substantial external costs to helmet laws - there's a public health ding because they reduce cycling by 30-50% and there's a law enforcement issue since cops need to be out stopping cyclists and since… [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 12:05 PM on May 22, 2014

Frowner: hmm, ok. Putting aside whether or not they are effective, am I correct as to the rationale behind the laws?

I have no idea what the rationale behind the laws is! (And the linked articles either give or link to all the information that I cited, in case you want more details.) My guess is the rationale is "social", as you say, but combined with utopian thinking ("of course these laws will be easy to… [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 12:20 PM on May 22, 2014
Can you point me to a link? the article is far from convincing on this point.

This page outlines a couple of studies. That said, it seems like there are some contradictory studies elsewhere on the internet. It seems like one of those things that would really, really benefit from well-funded non-partisan research, because it should be possible to find out, and finding out seems pretty important.

I am no statistician… [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 12:58 PM on May 22, 2014
My dad's best friend got to live on through organ donation doing just this. Been about 15 years now.

Yes, of course. And I know someone young and otherwise healthy who was badly injured by a fall in the shower, and my mother knew someone who was wearing a helmet on her first ever use of rollerblades and crashed and died despite the helmet. Honestly, "something very, very bad happened to one person out of many who do this thing,… [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 1:04 PM on May 22, 2014
(just while we're all on the "all cyclists are different" kick - I do the weird awkward skateboard like start thing because I have some residual stiffness in my joints and some balance problems from a childhood illness plus a trick hip, and it's much much easier for me in terms of moving my legs.)
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 1:02 PM on May 23, 2014

The Mother of All Self Links?
I like the wonky old-school interface used here. It's easy to read lots of content and it's easy to scroll through. No infinite/perpetually-loading scroll, no blinky things on the sides. I sincerely hope that this shake-up doesn't con anyone into messing with the site design.
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 2:12 PM on May 22, 2014

I think it's just that some people have one album in them, just like some writers have one novel in them, or two, or three. They have one thing to say, and they say it (hopefully really well) and that's....that. I'm not sure why, maybe they've just said it so completely that they themselves don't really have anything to add.

I think about writers who've had very long careers with very high quality work throughout - let's take Doris Lessing and Samuel Delany - and… [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 11:01 AM on May 22, 2014

"By our unpaid labor and suffering..."
When folks are all "but if we pay reparations to African-Americans, what about Native people, what about.....etc, etc" my thought is "sure, why not"? Why not figure out some sort of reparation for everyone? Why not shake things up? We fought an entire series of bullshit engagements in the Middle East justified by a bunch of lies this past decade....and we can always find the money for that. We can find money for the… [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 8:44 AM on May 22, 2014

First misery, then boredom, then anxiety
I like this a lot. One of the things I like about it is the tone - very often, this type of piece is written in a tone (not a vocabulary) that makes me feel excluded, like it's for, you know, cool revolutionary people (or white rich people in their early twenties!) only. I can't quite put my finger on what creates this tone, but I noticed immediately that this piece was not written in it and did not make me think "yeah well all this radical theory obviously isn't for people like me,… [more]
posted to MetaFilter by Frowner at 7:08 AM on May 22, 2014

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