I really like Chris Kraus. In some ways her work feels/still feels really eighties to me, like it belongs in Re/Search: Angry Women. And OMG the abjection. I hope she is not as abject in life. Or if we are all in fact that abject in life without realizing it, I hope I can continue in happy bourgeois self-delusion.
The only thing is, I feel like Semiotexte specializes in printing abject personal stuff by women while printing theory by and adulatory... [more] posted to MetaFilter by Frownerat 9:49 AM on October 11, 2012
@Frowner: I can't speak for the photographs, but the reason Semiotext(e) might "specialize" in abject personal stuff by women is that Kraus runs their fiction imprint, Native Agents.
But that doesn't account for the shortage of theory by women. It also seemed to me at the time that the issue wasn't so much fiction as that women's non-fiction at Semiotexte was more memoirs about sex than anything else, and that there did not seem to be... [more] posted to MetaFilter by Frownerat 2:07 PM on October 11, 2012
Yes, my dad was totes in the legislature, and my mom never had to work a day in her life...she was just a medical transcriptionist for kicks. Heck, bell hooks and Allan Berube and Sylvia Rivera are also to blame.
And of course, it makes total sense to blame large groups of people - inasmuch as a large, disparate group of citizens can actually be blamed for anything - for wanting decent jobs... [more] posted to MetaFilter by Frownerat 6:18 AM on October 9, 2012
I've always had a difficult time understanding how the idealism of their youth did a 180-degree turn. You could also add support of the Civil Rights movement and adoption of the second wave of feminism. (Although the leaders of these movements, like MLK and Friedan, were born in the 1920s, not baby boomers themselves.)
Maybe it's because of television specials, or because most USians aren't very familiar with activist or bohemian social circles, but... [more] posted to MetaFilter by Frownerat 7:02 AM on October 9, 2012
Cite which? I mean, I allege two things, although this isn't a very cite-heavy thread.
I'd say that in this thread, the narrative about sixties radicals is very much "they all rebelled and then sold out and are therefore hypocrites", and if you really want I can dig around on the internet and find some of the many, many times that people say that shit. But it seems like a truism to me.... [more] posted to MetaFilter by Frownerat 8:02 AM on October 9, 2012
Old Economy Steven has it better than his parents... and his kids.
Those are pretty distasteful. They basically boil down to "this person got TOO MUCH because he had a job that paid a living wage, was able to own a home and could retire - what a greedy asshole".
Look, one reason that this whole "let's blame the Boomers" thing is wrong is that it accepts as normal the idea that jobs must be shitty,... [more] posted to MetaFilter by Frownerat 1:56 PM on October 10, 2012
So, to interject rudely here - if we can't resell copyrighted material manufactured overseas, that means that all the used bookstores will fold overnight, right? Because they'll all have to do a huge amount of administrative stuff to separate out US-printed books from foreign-printed books and won't be able to sell quite a lot of what they used to, and their clients won't be able to sell them nearly as many old books anyway. I recognize that legislators and indeed most Americans could give a... [more] posted to MetaFilter by Frownerat 6:18 PM on October 9, 2012
When people say "I am not attracted to anyone of [race]", I always wonder what the hell that even means. Not even someone who was your ideal in every other way, both physically and personally? Not even someone who was really, really into you? Not even someone who was an integral part of your subculture? Not even someone famous and important in your field? No one? Really? And since there's no "race" where everyone looks the same skin-color wise, face-wise or body-shape... [more] posted to MetaFilter by Frownerat 11:24 AM on October 9, 2012
Why does this produce such strong feelings? And it does produce strong feelings - I see these pictures and I have a visceral reaction of despair, shame and disgust. I assume from some of the strongly-worded comments in this thread that people have a lot of relatively strong reactions of various kinds. Given that these aren't photos of, say, cops beating down some child on the subway or teapartiers turning people away from the polls or something else that clearly causes... [more] posted to MetaFilter by Frownerat 11:30 AM on October 8, 2012
Why does anyone want to join this organization? Even when I was a kid, it struck me as bizarrely regressive even for the seventies, like some kind of quasi-pre-military or the fast track for the Elks Club or something. Seriously, why does it even exist anymore? You can go camping and run around in the woods and have friends without going anywhere near this kind of weird stuff.
One of the biggest a-ha moments for me came when I was reading a feminist... [more] posted to MetaFilter by Frownerat 7:40 AM on October 5, 2012
I notice that many of these folks seem to be wearing fedoras that don't fit - markedly too small or large.
I also notice that the fedora is either worn as a "wacky" fashion item totally out of keeping with everything else (fedora and a tee shirt?) or worn with misapplied para-traditional men's clothes (dudes wandering around in a vest and trousers but no jacket in sight...just where is this happening? Indoors, there's no need for a hat although you could... [more] posted to MetaFilter by Frownerat 11:03 AM on October 2, 2012
Oh hey, I will tell a tale of my youth in order to illustrate what I mean by "taking up space".
Okay, once I was a young punk college student. Now, I was as unhappy as the dickens, and I did have a part time job, but I was also attending a posh private school in a small town and fundamentally not hurting for money due to both merit and income-based scholarships. My part-time earnings went partially to books, partially to music and... [more] posted to MetaFilter by Frownerat 11:20 AM on October 2, 2012
I'm sort of sick of the trope that dorks are particularly misogynist. I think it's a sort of 'just world' fallacy. Women don't typically like dorks and lots of dorks are lonely so it must be their fault for being bad people. I'm not saying dorks can't be misogynist but I doubt they are any more misogynist as a cohort than the many subcultures that women typically prefer to dorks. It seems way more likely that rather than women being justified for disliking dorks as stealth misogynists,... [more] posted to MetaFilter by Frownerat 1:17 PM on October 2, 2012
I'm sort of sick of the trope that dorks are particularly misogynist. I think it's a sort of 'just world' fallacy. Women don't typically like dorks and lots of dorks are lonely so it must be their fault for being bad people. I'm not saying dorks can't be misogynist but I doubt they are any more misogynist as a cohort than the many subcultures that women typically prefer to dorks. It seems way more likely that rather than women being justified for disliking dorks as stealth misogynists,... [more] posted to MetaFilter by Frownerat 1:35 PM on October 2, 2012
Seriously? What a hugely uncharitable interpretation, of course not all women are the same. Of course women can be nerds too. I am not substituting dork for male. I am participating in a conversation where we are talking about a piece that criticizes male dorks through the lens of assumed misogyny.
This is precisely what I mean. When you casually, almost unconsciously, oppose "women" to "dorks" and suggest that "women" do... [more] posted to MetaFilter by Frownerat 1:50 PM on October 2, 2012
As a sidelight on the whole thing: mere moments ago I was looking at one of the snobbish shoe blogs that I sometimes look at and found this gem of rhetoric: "...all Saint Crispin’s shoes are handcrafted by a small team of artisans, craftsmen and women." I wonder what the job postings look like...."Woman wanted. Must craft, but not too well. Skillset interchangeable." posted to MetaFilter by Frownerat 2:12 PM on October 2, 2012
You know, one of the hallmarks of genuinely nice men is this: when women talk about recurring misogyny and how much it sucks - even if those women are angry! even if those women do not qualify their every sentence! even if those women do not prioritize the feelings of men who may be reading! - a genuinely nice dude will say to himself "this is about misogyny, a big giant thing which causes tremendous material and emotional suffering for virtually all women and which... [more] posted to MetaFilter by Frownerat 7:59 PM on October 2, 2012
On the one hand, fuck a bunch of "women are the sex class and even seeing their clothed bodies makes it so that men can't function, plus this line of reasoning is a convenient stick to beat women with, plus god things". On the other hand:
1. We know for a fact that historically Western concern for the rights of non-Western women has been used to prop up racism and imperialism - whether that's "civilizing" India or bombing Afghanistan or attacking men... [more] posted to MetaFilter by Frownerat 7:30 AM on October 1, 2012
(Oh, I just want to add that it is very easy to get worked up over injustices that seem new and strange and startling while letting pass the ones that are routine and familiar, even if those are worse. Like, is it worse to airbrush women out of Saudi Arabian media or to airbrush the existing women in media into boneless doe-eyed sex puppets, as happens here? Which one do we have more control over in the West? Which one can we propose effective solutions to?) posted to MetaFilter by Frownerat 7:36 AM on October 1, 2012
Last week I happened across The View while channel flipping and they had Gabby Douglas on with a backdrop of her doing a mid air splits leap on the balance beam (Totally safe for work). They blurred out her crotch like it was Japanese porn or something
That is very interesting. Definitely the way I'd frame sexuality in USian media is "extreme explicitness and misogyny in 'entertainment' and advertising, but incredibly... [more] posted to MetaFilter by Frownerat 7:52 AM on October 1, 2012
Replace "women" with "Black people" and no one would think this was culturally acceptable or a subject we enlightened Western folks shouldn't discuss. And expecting Arabic women to have fully developed ideas of what freedoms they want dismisses the culture they grew up in...it's a frightening prospect on several levels and many women, if asked, would say they don't want to vote or drive. Because they don't know the alternative or are afraid of the endless battles... [more] posted to MetaFilter by Frownerat 8:00 AM on October 1, 2012
So wait, what, Ikea 'fessed up and it was actually them apparently assuming that the Saudis just couldn't handle a regular Ikea catelogue and not the actual Saudi franchisee at all? So does this boil down to "Westerners in advertising stereotype Middle Easterners and assume that they're all rando woman-haters; other Westerners get flail a lot about how awful the Saudis are"? Is that what this was? This whole thing was Westerners projecting stuff? And here everyone was going all... [more] posted to MetaFilter by Frownerat 5:00 PM on October 1, 2012
Boy, I remember back in the Downsize This! era (otherwise known as what we used to think of as 'hard times')..."Clinton's created a LOT of new jobs, Joe." "Yeah, I have three of them." posted to MetaFilter by Frownerat 9:19 AM on September 27, 2012
1. From the mainstream perspective, it's bad if terrorists destroy something for political goals but perfectly acceptable/inevitable for capitalism to destroy something to make money for rich people.
2. There isn't any infrastructure to get the copper out, which means that any infrastructure that is built will be the good old colonialism kind - road that lead... [more] posted to MetaFilter by Frownerat 5:22 AM on September 23, 2012
Of course, this was complicated for me by the fact that my dad was buds with the Hildebrandt brothers. He posed for a bunch of Tolkien calendars (that's him at the center of An Unexpected Party) and so our house was littered with Hildebrandt artwork and books. When your dad is a hobbit, it kind of changes your relationship to the myth.
And it is because of this type of comment that I love Metafilter. Seriously, I never even thought... [more] posted to MetaFilter by Frownerat 8:30 AM on September 21, 2012
I think there's a little bit of truth in this, but I also think that Tolkien is less of an innovator in that regard than we now tend to think. Wagner is an obvious precursor (heck, it's even a giant mythic saga about a magical ring of power!). And if you look at late Victorian children's literature and poetry it's full of invented worlds where the borders between normal reality and "faerie" of various descriptions are permeable: George MacDonald, E. Nesbit,... [more] posted to MetaFilter by Frownerat 1:05 PM on September 21, 2012
MacDonald seems to me, in The Princess and the Goblin to be almost entirely uninterested in politics. Yeah, it's set in a monarchy, but that's simply a matter of signalling "this is a fairy story, not a realist novel." If you're reading the goblins as allegorical stand-ins for the underclass, what, then, are the plucky, heroic and apparently entirely self-employed miners? MacDonald is certainly writing an allegory in The Princess and the Goblin but it is a religious allegory... [more] posted to MetaFilter by Frownerat 2:11 PM on September 21, 2012
Just when you think that safe, secure, middle class, thrill-seeking, mostly-but-not-exclusively white people have plumbed the depths of self-centering tackiness and lack of empathy, they go and prove you wrong yet again.
Oh well, at least this makes me feel better about yesterday's "Global Warming Is Worse Than Expected; We're All Gonna Die" post. If there's one good thing about our new ocean overlords the jellyfish, it's that they don't have exploitative... [more] posted to MetaFilter by Frownerat 8:51 AM on September 19, 2012
I have no idea what this has to do with white people or middle class people or thrill seekers. This seems to be about one company, Vice, promoting another company's, Bethesda, product in a tacky way.
It has to do with what I, a white middle class person, believe to be a chronic lack of empathy among people like me, many of whom appear to work at Vice. (I mean, they're hipster-ish-er and richer than me, but that's the narcissism of small differences.)... [more] posted to MetaFilter by Frownerat 9:21 AM on September 19, 2012
I guess the question is "what is film for? I know it's tempting to believe that film is for, like, serious study and reverence and constructing a narrative about cinema, and having a consciously complex and sophisticated response based in a nuanced understanding of the past - that film is for film nerds. But the older I get the more I feel like that would be a huge drag, everyone sitting around responding to movies exactly as we've learned that... [more] posted to MetaFilter by Frownerat 2:43 AM on September 15, 2012
And there are hundreds, maybe thousands, of 30-year-old songs that are more popular among teens today than any 30-year-old song was in the 1980's.
It just so happens that I remember the eighties, otherwise known as before the internet....wherein if you wanted to hear a song and it was obscure or old or had god forbid been pressed into vinyl before about 1978, you were shit out of luck. For years I had a long, long list of... [more] posted to MetaFilter by Frownerat 1:14 PM on September 17, 2012
I ate at either a McDonald's or possibly a KFC at Bei Hai Park when I worked in Beijing. Honestly, virtually all views in Beijing are beautiful to me, even when they're actually pretty bleh, but I remember enjoying the experience.
I quickly lost my shame at eating western-style fast food in China because, as non-stop delicious as the various local eateries were, sometimes I just pined for the boring and inferior snacks of my homeland. Although actually Chinese KFC was... [more] posted to MetaFilter by Frownerat 9:26 AM on September 14, 2012
They just opened the first Bosnian McDonald's in Sarajevo this year, and there was nearly a riot. The unemployment rate there is functionally around 50% and many who do work sometimes go half a year without receiving pay. So you can imagine how expensive McDonald's is for people. Yet people apparently didn't eat for a, week so they could save money to be there on opening day. It's really sad.
How do people keep from starving if they aren't getting paid... [more] posted to MetaFilter by Frownerat 9:51 AM on September 14, 2012
Huh. I wonder who will be apologizing in twenty years for the cover-ups, forcing sick people off benefits and so on that Cameron is doing now. It's like an infinite cycle - government assholes protect themselves while they're in office and then a long time down the road someone else, whose fault it wasn't, who only stand to gain politically by making the apology - that person will stand up and apologize. This kind of... [more] posted to MetaFilter by Frownerat 11:04 AM on September 12, 2012
People who are not in the UK might find Owen Jones's (formerly writing as Owen Hatherley) book Chavs to be of interest. It's extremely accessible and gives a lot of case-study stuff about how UK elites mobilize the concept of "chav" as a way of cutting benefits and limiting civil liberties. When it came out there was a big to-do about how "Oh, it's not insulting to call people chavs, because it's true!" from a bunch of people you'd think would know better.... [more] posted to MetaFilter by Frownerat 6:18 AM on September 11, 2012
Probably worth thinking about in this context: Owen Jones, Chavs: The Demonization of the Working Class.
Oops, I guess I did not see lucien_reeve's comment. Well, I guess I second the recommendation, then! posted to MetaFilter by Frownerat 6:23 AM on September 11, 2012
I may just be a confused American, but what I've looked at online does seem to be on aesthetics - are these aesthetics not choice-based? Here, at least, even the underclass or lower working class (through thrift shops and other such things) have the ability to dress relatively nicely and respectably if they choose. Many do. Are these options not available in the UK?
1. The whole discourse of... [more] posted to MetaFilter by Frownerat 7:04 AM on September 11, 2012
I don't care if you're young, old, rich, poor, black, white, man, woman, etc....but at some level I expect people in the working world to dress professionally.
See, this is something else that I don't quite follow.
In my experience, most people - regardless of class background - actually do dress broadly appropriately for work. And inappropriate work dress is far less class-linked than is assumed - there are... [more] posted to MetaFilter by Frownerat 7:47 AM on September 11, 2012
Also, I notice that here we are discussing clothes and individual choice as if those things were the cause of poverty and inequality - once again, aesthetics and the fallacy of "choice" stand in for politics. That's precisely what I was trying to say upthread! posted to MetaFilter by Frownerat 7:50 AM on September 11, 2012
When a certain style of dress is seen to be "trashy" by society at large, you make a decision to as to how you want to be identified when you choose to dress that way. It's not fair, but that is how it is."
But this type of comment is always written from above, like the judgement of the rich on the poor is valid.
Do you think that middle class clothes can't look ridiculous to working class... [more] posted to MetaFilter by Frownerat 8:04 AM on September 11, 2012
Owen Jones and Owen Hatherley are two different people, both writing on social issues from a left-wing perspective. Confusing, I know.
How can this even be? They are both young blond white thin-faced men from the UK! I don't understand anything any more. posted to MetaFilter by Frownerat 8:05 AM on September 11, 2012
That's the trouble with these Oxbridge academics, they all present themselves alike. Lobster bucket.
I mean, I own a copy of Chavs. I've sat around reading it. I've told people it was by Owen Hatherley. I may even have shelved it next to my other books by Owen Hatherley. I think I need to go home and check on the authorship of all my favorite books - god only knows what I've been telling people. Maybe... [more] posted to MetaFilter by Frownerat 8:16 AM on September 11, 2012
Mind you, we don't get those funny khaki pants here very much at all. (Which is confusing - to me khaki is a mossy green, not the colour of a bus seat cover.) You can spot a US tourist on the tube because they will be wearing khakis, into which they will have tucked their shirts.
So wait, what does one do with one's shirt tails? Let them flap all over the place? Tsk.
And I take issue with... [more] posted to MetaFilter by Frownerat 10:39 AM on September 11, 2012
Honestly, this is so wrong that it makes me question a lot of your other pronouncements on the subject. Lower-class teenagers dress to show off expense as much as possible. As was noted upthread, leaving the price tag on your $300 track suit was a very popular fashion statement for a while. Part of why sneakers are so popular is because everyone knows how much each kind costs.
See, that's not my experience at all. I live in a neighborhood... [more] posted to MetaFilter by Frownerat 2:11 PM on September 11, 2012
See, what confuses me about this kind of narrative is that it gets made over and over again. Yes, we know - unprepared people in new circumstances will obey "authority" even if the authority tells them to do bad stuff and isn't really authority. Just like how if there's an accident, no one will call 911 because they're all standing around in shock and it's a crowd of strangers.
So all right, we're there. That's where I get confused. If... [more] posted to MetaFilter by Frownerat 7:04 AM on September 8, 2012
All good enough, although I really wish that white folks would not do that whole "anti-gay person of color, gay is the new black!" thing. It is very rhetorically tricky to compare oppressive situations without derailing or saying something ignorant, and (IMO) it's in very poor taste for white people to tell people of color how they ought to be thinking about race. I mean, I know for a fact that there are at least some GLBTQ... [more] posted to MetaFilter by Frownerat 2:45 PM on September 7, 2012
He does contextualize it really well, though, Frowner, given what Burns said:
Yeah, but there's still a sort of whiff of "you are a disgrace to the civil rights legacy of the state/our society", which is just not something that I think white people should be saying, especially to people they, like, didn't grow up with. I just think that when one is making this type of case, it's better not to say things... [more] posted to MetaFilter by Frownerat 2:53 PM on September 7, 2012
Although I dunno, I do hang around with a bunch of people who are all very fussy about stuff - I realize I'm writing as though somehow I'm a white person speaking for, like, a consensus of people of color, which is dumb. I'm really "speaking for" my friends the language-sensitive anarchists of a variety of racial backgrounds, so I guess I should remember that mileage varies a LOT. We are united in our picky-ness, really. posted to MetaFilter by Frownerat 2:58 PM on September 7, 2012
So, Frowner, about what white people should and should not be saying... Thanks for the handy guide. Can you just verify the acceptable whiteness percentages? Or is someone thinking Ayanbadejo is a different kind of Black Irish? And, like, if the people you grew up with are a few thousand miles away, or dead, or not exactly the people you want to associate with? I just wonder what the Civil Rights movement in the 60s would have been like with your ground rules.... [more] posted to MetaFilter by Frownerat 3:34 PM on September 7, 2012