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MeTa post:
Misogyny Filter (?)
I think the issues being explored here indicate that there's something wrong with the binary model of child care. It's worth noting that this is not obviously the best, fairest, or most obvious of providing for the needs of children.
posted to MetaTalk by clockzero
at 1:58 AM on August 5, 2008
That should say, "or most obvious method of" etc.
posted to MetaTalk by clockzero
at 2:04 AM on August 5, 2008
MeTa post:
Please, for the love of all that's holy
The official policy is that we're against troll and the troll agenda, right? Except when they're amusing or edifying, of course. As someone mentioned somewhere in this thread, the epistemological limitation we're dealing with here necessitates that we determine trollitude through the evidence available. So, it seems like homie is fairly trollish.
Brooklycouch: stop doing that, or we will give you lots of attention and speculate interminably about your internal state!
posted to MetaTalk by clockzero
at 2:40 AM on May 29, 2008
MeTa post:
wtf quonsar
His observations on catfish, electric fish (Torpedo) and angler-fish are exceptional, as is his writing on cephalopods, molluscs, octopus, sepia (cuttlefish) and the paper nautilus (Argonauta argo). His description of the hectocotyl arm (see cephalopod) was about two thousand years ahead of its time, and widely disbelieved until its rediscovery in the nineteenth century. He separated the aquatic mammals from fish, and knew that sharks and rays were part of the group he called Selachē... [more]
posted to MetaTalk by clockzero
at 10:30 AM on November 14, 2007
MeTa post:
Sometimes I Feel (Like A Very Small Girl's Blouse)
Hey, great photos, koeselitz. Thanks for the link.
everybody, feel free to vent here.
[steve martin]
...thank you.
[/steve martin]
Sorry, I don't normally crap in threads (note: debatable). But this was an homage crap. Arguably, the highest form of crapping.
posted to MetaTalk by clockzero
at 4:43 AM on October 31, 2007
MeTa post:
Write your congressperson?
"...but, I still don't understand," Harry wailed, his bulbous abdomen shaking while the hot tears poured down his face. "Even with magic, how is it possible? That bastard!"
"Well, Harry," Hermione replied, "there are actually many precedents in magical history. Of course, in many of those cases, there was..."
"Hermione, puuuuullEASE!" Mr. Weasley copiously ejaculated. "We wish we'd known... [more]
posted to MetaTalk by clockzero
at 7:55 AM on October 22, 2007
MeTa post:
LowestCommonDenominatorFilter: In which people...
I think the heart of the callousness in the thread is that some people are just diverting attention from the actual subject to say, Hey, everyone, look at me! I DON'T CARE! LOOK AT ME NOT CARING AT ALL!
posted to MetaTalk by clockzero
at 4:08 PM on February 8, 2007
MeTa post:
A thread that reads like a piss-contest between...
Nice, loquacious.
posted to MetaTalk by clockzero
at 12:33 PM on January 25, 2007
Also, I have to say, that thread is complete bullshit. I don't see any legitimacy in the "we didn't write it" or "they don't really mean it" nonsense that some people are bringing up here, it's just a way to avoid dealing with the ugly reality of misogyny. It's attitudes like those that enable misogyny and are complicit with misogyny by assuming the disingenuous role of the innocent bystander. Everybody is broken-hearted when they hear stories every goddamn... [more]
posted to MetaTalk by clockzero
at 1:16 PM on January 25, 2007
jonmc:
No, I'm not saying that. Do you think that women who are not "perfect and wonderful" are deserving of abuse and violence? The kind of music being referred to in that AskMe question is not averring that there exist women who are human beings, that is, not absolutely perfect; it normalizes utterly pathological and frankly very disturbing attitudes about women and sex.
veronica-
What an unfair statement.... [more]
posted to MetaTalk by clockzero
at 3:09 PM on January 25, 2007
cortex:
Undoubtedly true—but what good does knowing that do us? How are we to react, in the absense of any appearance of misogyny? By loudly and explicitly disclaimering any discussion that touches on misogynist speech?
Knowing that does us a lot of good, because it helps us to make sense of the fact that most violence against women is committed by men who may not even seem or be abnormal in many areas of their lives; rape,... [more]
posted to MetaTalk by clockzero
at 5:14 PM on January 25, 2007
bugbread, honestly, the two situations are just not analogous.
posted to MetaTalk by clockzero
at 5:16 PM on January 25, 2007
jonmc:
I don't think I said we should "stand up" to songs, per se, because that doesn't make any sense. I do think that there's a big, essential qualitative difference between all of the songs you mentioned and the kind of vileness in the rap songs that were lyrically reproduced in that AskMe thread.
As for the songs you mention. I think "Under My Thumb" could be reasonably described as misogynistic if you discount the... [more]
posted to MetaTalk by clockzero
at 5:52 PM on January 25, 2007
cortex:
But unless there is some flexibility—some willingness to extend the benefit of the doubt to folks with a clean record for the sake of normal conversation—this suggests the sort of compulsory disclaimerism I mentioned earlier.
I'm not sure what you mean by this; unless there is some flexibility, this [lack of "flexibility] suggests disclaimerism? What?
I'm talking, and have been... [more]
posted to MetaTalk by clockzero
at 6:30 PM on January 25, 2007
jonmc:
So I don't think they're really comparable. Does that answer your question?
Yes, but not very well.
I guess you'll just have to find a way to live with that.
My central point is this: music like any other art is about self-expression and sometimes that means expressing problematic, difficult or ugly thoughts and emotions. I wouldn't want... [more]
posted to MetaTalk by clockzero
at 6:35 PM on January 25, 2007
Man, I feel bad, I don't mean to monopolize this thread.
yet again, cortex:
If you aren't willing to extend people the benefit of the doubt in a discussion of misogyny where they haven't actually advocated any misogynist beliefs, they are left with two choices:
1. Explicitly disclaim their non-misogynist feelings.
2. Be presumed to be a misogynist.
Look, I'm not... [more]
posted to MetaTalk by clockzero
at 8:39 PM on January 25, 2007
omie:
I appreciate the way you've presented your opinions in this discussion. I'm curious why you're willing to ascribe a narrator to "Under my Thumb" but not to the rap songs under discussion? The rap lyrics are. without a doubt, misogynistic in a way orders of magnitude more vituperative than any of the songs jonmc listed, but I wonder what makes you say that the one (and by implication in the discussion, not the other) is narrated.... [more]
posted to MetaTalk by clockzero
at 8:49 PM on January 25, 2007
cortex:
Can you close the gap for me between those two statements? Because you opened up with a declaration of the bullshit complicity in the thread and labelling participants as, at least, passive purpetuators of misogyny.
My interest is not in labelling anyone; in other words, I don't care about that. I'm not making any accusations about the essential qualities of the people in that thread, what they... [more]
posted to MetaTalk by clockzero
at 10:45 PM on January 25, 2007
cortex:
Christ. What bugbread said. How do your objections apply to the thread in question, and what in an ideal situation would have happened, in your view?
I saw a disturbing question, a whole lot of responses that involved the reproduction of violent, hateful speech, and nobody in the thread really said anything about it. I thought that was outrageous. That's just my opinion. I also happen to think that repeating those... [more]
posted to MetaTalk by clockzero
at 4:07 PM on January 26, 2007
Everybody has opinions, and as I said somewhere before, I get bored even with my own (let's see, am I for or against the Burning Topic of the Day? oh yeah, I hate it with a passion... no wait, that was the other Burning Topic). But I know how I feel about clockzero's self-presentation: I'm agin it. Start approaching us like human beings instead of servants of the patriarchy, and maybe I'll discuss my opinions with you.
First of all, I really think... [more]
posted to MetaTalk by clockzero
at 7:10 PM on January 26, 2007
Actually, I think you're misparsing him, if that's what you see him as saying. "Misogynistic behaviour" would be behaviour which is hateful of women. I think clockzero is seeing behaviour which is not hateful of women, per se, but contributes to the hating of women. That may seem like splitting hairs, but I don't think it is, because in one, the person who makes a statement is being accused of hating women, and in the other, he isn't.... [more]
posted to MetaTalk by clockzero
at 10:55 PM on January 26, 2007
MeTa post:
Methylviolet sucks.
Discuss....
I think muddgirl has a good point here, MV.
You made a trenchant comment about "snowflake destiny" or something like that, implying that people who go mountain-climbing are outrageously hubristic, I guess, but it seems to me that you've got an awful lot of confidence in the necessity of us all discussing your shockingly inhumane stance. If you didn't want to derail, maybe you should have avoided being so inflammatory.... [more]
posted to MetaTalk by clockzero
at 10:08 PM on December 16, 2006
MeTa post:
I really don't understand this site anymore. I...
not posting in the right place.
mogabog, don't take it personal. MeFi is for posting links to interesting websites. MeTa is for MeFi related things (e.g. meetups, MeFi in The World At Large, etc). That's all there is to it.
I get yelled at for signing my posts,
If people give you static for doing something unique, either apologize and conform to the standard or keep doing it... [more]
posted to MetaTalk by clockzero
at 10:27 PM on December 14, 2006
MeTa post:
Why the You Tube hate on Metafilter/AskMefi?...
I always assumed that "I could care less" was not intended to mean the same thing as "I couldn't care less," which obviously states an absolute position on caring about some subject; I think "I could care less" means instead that the speaker cannot even be bothered to concretize the degree of their emotional involvement in whatever matter is at hand, which is a sort of indirect method of indicating their actual position by implication.
posted to MetaTalk by clockzero
at 7:08 PM on August 14, 2006
MeTa post:
Considering the recent events in Lebanon, can we...
oops, didn't mean to post that to "bugs".
posted to MetaTalk by clockzero
at 2:49 PM on July 30, 2006
The question isn't whether it's worth getting impassioned about, Decani, because people obviously get very impassioned about it, it's whether or not there's much chance of a real discussion; it seems to me that there isn't, and I think that's borne out by numerous examples throughout metafilter's history. Impassioned stances on exceedingly complex issues tend not to further anything but animosity.
posted to MetaTalk by clockzero
at 3:30 PM on July 30, 2006
I guess I'm preaching to the choir. I just get surprised by how identical every thread that even mentions Israel becomes.
posted to MetaTalk by clockzero
at 3:49 PM on July 30, 2006
Yeah, that's pretty reliable as well.
posted to MetaTalk by clockzero
at 3:58 PM on July 30, 2006
Scarabic-
I can't tell how you mean that, but I agree with you if your point is that important issues deserve serious attention.
This particular thread seems to have developed rather well so far, all things considered. I was just concerned about a possible devolution into the sort of personal attacks and propagandizing that frequently accompany such a discussion on MeFi.
posted to MetaTalk by clockzero
at 5:25 PM on July 30, 2006
what? look, I'm glad if it doesn't become acrimonious. It looked like it might for a bit.
posted to MetaTalk by clockzero
at 6:59 PM on July 30, 2006
aberrant, I thought s/he was being intentionally hilarious, but either way it was pretty funny.
Ethereal Bligh, you're properly correct to say that discussion is not the real aim of metafilter in general, or at least as I understand it, but I think it's one unignorable de facto benefit of the community when it's the right sort of discussion; still, I see your point, and I won't belabor mine.
I think you're right, delmoi. I'm... [more]
posted to MetaTalk by clockzero
at 1:48 AM on July 31, 2006
MeTa post:
Regarding the question on ask.metafilter:...
Regarding the question on ask.metafilter: Religious oppression, any question that would ask for perceived incidents of "personal oppression" from a segment of the population is subtle hatemongering with the intention of inciting contention and propagating slander, libel and misinformation. This thread is dangerous and should be removed immediately.
I think you're the only one here who's inciting contention or propagating misinformation, as... [more]
posted to MetaTalk by clockzero
at 11:20 AM on July 22, 2006
MeTa post:
Music collaboration fun / favor: everybody record...
Just a thought: "Happiness" is a really nice song that Elliott Smith did, and it has more of a positive/we're-in-this-together sort of vibe. I'm not suggesting replacement, far from it, but maybe that could be part of the repertoire too?
posted to MetaTalk by clockzero
at 4:38 PM on July 19, 2006
MeTa post:
I'm concerned about AskMe, particularly with...
puke & cry:
That's just the thing. I don't think this type of thread needs to become that. People come to AskMe for a discussion; like with regular MeFi, if you have nothing but vitriol and distaste for the subject at hand, you might consider going elsewhere. I don't like the idea of AskMe becoming a place of judgement, and the mere posting of a question should not be construed as an invitation to be judged.
posted to MetaTalk by clockzero
at 12:04 PM on July 4, 2006
People ask a lot of questions that they already know the answer to. It seems they just want to chat about it.
You're probably right, but people are also looking for new ways to think about problematic situations, I suspect.
posted to MetaTalk by clockzero
at 12:05 PM on July 4, 2006
Jessamyn: I posted my opinion about the question itself in the thread, and I do appreciate your encouraging me to do that.
It's not that I want to take issue with any particular piece of advice, or with the majority opinion, though I happen to disagree with it. I'm just concerned about the prevalence, in threads of this type, of an attitude which sees someone like the poster of the question as a threat to the institution of marriage. I apologize for getting on a... [more]
posted to MetaTalk by clockzero
at 12:22 PM on July 4, 2006
Paulsc:
Well, I'm not sure those attempts are in good faith, though we may have different ideas about what that means. A statement about how all marriages ought to be is not a thoughtful or productive or meaningful answer to the guy's question, it's just a knee-jerk reaction. Saying that he shouldn't do it is one thing, saying that nobody should ever do anything that might in any way affect someone else's relationship is quite another.
... [more]
posted to MetaTalk by clockzero
at 12:37 PM on July 4, 2006
I think people who make posts expressing "concern" about perceived moralizing in AskMe responses to questions which clearly demand a moral opinion are boring, bitter, dessicated little tossers who ought to get a life, a clue and a damned good kicking. Not necessarily in that order...Shut up. Don't read the fucking thread if you don't like the way it shapes up, you witless dullard.
Really, Decani. There's no need to get nasty.... [more]
posted to MetaTalk by clockzero
at 10:25 PM on July 4, 2006
And yet you were wrong on both counts: the responses were largely thoughtful and appropriate, and the poster found them helpful. I don't see you acknowledging that and saying "Sorry I posted this waste of MetaTalk space."
Well, I don't think I was completely wrong. I don't have a problem with the responses that said "Don't do it," I take issue with those that used that opportunity to bandy about a stultifying moral vision and... [more]
posted to MetaTalk by clockzero
at 9:22 AM on July 5, 2006
