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June 29, 2000 2:29 PM Subscribe
It's just a list of links but can there be any doubt that the New York Times was inspired by webloggers?
d'oh...
as i said, it's just a list of links, but when is the last time the Grey Lady posted one? i find it interesting to see the old media reacting to the new. not nearly as cool as the guardian weblog but worth taking note of. maybe you need a sense of the nytimes' preeminent status among newspapers to put this in context.
posted by sudama at 3:52 PM on June 29, 2000
as i said, it's just a list of links, but when is the last time the Grey Lady posted one? i find it interesting to see the old media reacting to the new. not nearly as cool as the guardian weblog but worth taking note of. maybe you need a sense of the nytimes' preeminent status among newspapers to put this in context.
posted by sudama at 3:52 PM on June 29, 2000
This feature has been a part of the NY Times online for a long time. It comes and goes in different sections as they redesign, but it's been around as long as I've been "registered" with them (c. two years).
It just totally cracks me up whenever anyone gets started on this whole "weblog" thing, as if no one had ever thought of it before. There's nothing wrong with doing it (personally, there's so much crap on the web anyway I actually appreciate people who wade through it for me), just stop acting like you think the Pyra guys invented it fer krise sake.
posted by m.polo at 6:12 PM on June 29, 2000
It just totally cracks me up whenever anyone gets started on this whole "weblog" thing, as if no one had ever thought of it before. There's nothing wrong with doing it (personally, there's so much crap on the web anyway I actually appreciate people who wade through it for me), just stop acting like you think the Pyra guys invented it fer krise sake.
posted by m.polo at 6:12 PM on June 29, 2000
If your in love with links at the NY Times, look at Navigator on the NY Times' site.
I found an archived copy that was last modified in July 1996.
The first "Browser" type column I found was from October 20, 1999: The Week's Events
posted by tomalak at 6:40 PM on June 29, 2000
I found an archived copy that was last modified in July 1996.
The first "Browser" type column I found was from October 20, 1999: The Week's Events
posted by tomalak at 6:40 PM on June 29, 2000
Polo, of course there are ample precedents, but MOST webloggers I know are well aware of this. Your swipe at Pyra was completely uncalled for.
In other words, the factual content of your post was overwhelmed by the attitudianl content.
posted by dhartung at 8:09 PM on June 29, 2000
In other words, the factual content of your post was overwhelmed by the attitudianl content.
posted by dhartung at 8:09 PM on June 29, 2000
Sudama: If it was more like a weblog and less like a link list, I would agree with you. But to me, what the New York Times is doing on Browser looks just like short columns that have been running in newspapers for a couple of years -- link lists without the kind of context and individual personality that showed up when weblogs became popular. I don't think Browser is inspired by weblogs.
posted by rcade at 11:20 PM on June 29, 2000
posted by rcade at 11:20 PM on June 29, 2000
Ouch - little to close to home for you, hartung?
Well, maybe you think most webloggers are aware of this, but my perception - based on reading them - is that most are not. They write and publish as if only yesterday someone had invented this brave new world of "blogging" - as if even the utter inanity of that term didn't give the whole joke away.
And if you'd bother reading what I wrote, there's no "swipe" at the Pyrites, stated or implied. It's the WEBLOGGERS who are elevating Pyra to a status I'd doubt anybody there would claim for themselves, because they generally seem to a pretty bright bunch. No where in my post do I say that the Pyrites are doing anything other than building stuff that other people use or don't use, as they choose.
posted by m.polo at 6:50 AM on June 30, 2000
Well, maybe you think most webloggers are aware of this, but my perception - based on reading them - is that most are not. They write and publish as if only yesterday someone had invented this brave new world of "blogging" - as if even the utter inanity of that term didn't give the whole joke away.
And if you'd bother reading what I wrote, there's no "swipe" at the Pyrites, stated or implied. It's the WEBLOGGERS who are elevating Pyra to a status I'd doubt anybody there would claim for themselves, because they generally seem to a pretty bright bunch. No where in my post do I say that the Pyrites are doing anything other than building stuff that other people use or don't use, as they choose.
posted by m.polo at 6:50 AM on June 30, 2000
Correct, you don't... but *I* misread it the first time too.
A bit close to the edge, 'eh what?
posted by baylink at 6:58 AM on June 30, 2000
A bit close to the edge, 'eh what?
posted by baylink at 6:58 AM on June 30, 2000
It's the WEBLOGGERS who are elevating Pyra to a status I'd doubt anybody there would claim for themselves
Perhaps because users of Blogger are infinitely thankful to Pyra for providing a free tool which allows them to easily self-publish their thoughts and ideas, an activity they find personally rewarding? Although some free weblogging tools were around before Blogger, Pyra was the first to let you publish your site anywhere you please, a very useful feature. So they did invent something.
posted by daveadams at 8:01 AM on June 30, 2000
Perhaps because users of Blogger are infinitely thankful to Pyra for providing a free tool which allows them to easily self-publish their thoughts and ideas, an activity they find personally rewarding? Although some free weblogging tools were around before Blogger, Pyra was the first to let you publish your site anywhere you please, a very useful feature. So they did invent something.
posted by daveadams at 8:01 AM on June 30, 2000
polo did not say pyra failed to invent something, nor was he swiping at pyra.
he said linking and writing about other sites is as old as the web, and he showed you a page from 1993 that proves the point. thank you, polo.
and he said many of the new webloggers seem unaware of the history of the medium, a point that is hard to dispute.
there are some rockers who don't know about punk or elvis or R&B; some writers who don't know about 19th century lit; some filmmakers who only go back as far as spielberg in their knowledge of the history of their medium.
i met a guy who said his favorite music was techno. he had never heard of kraftwerk.
lack of historical knowledge is as old as, er, history. the only difference is that internet time is compressed.
there may be people who think K10K was the first design site. there are definitely webloggers who think blogging is a new activity. that attitude can be annoying to people who've been around for a while; i think polo was expressing that annoyance, nothing more.
posted by Zeldman at 10:12 AM on July 1, 2000
he said linking and writing about other sites is as old as the web, and he showed you a page from 1993 that proves the point. thank you, polo.
and he said many of the new webloggers seem unaware of the history of the medium, a point that is hard to dispute.
there are some rockers who don't know about punk or elvis or R&B; some writers who don't know about 19th century lit; some filmmakers who only go back as far as spielberg in their knowledge of the history of their medium.
i met a guy who said his favorite music was techno. he had never heard of kraftwerk.
lack of historical knowledge is as old as, er, history. the only difference is that internet time is compressed.
there may be people who think K10K was the first design site. there are definitely webloggers who think blogging is a new activity. that attitude can be annoying to people who've been around for a while; i think polo was expressing that annoyance, nothing more.
posted by Zeldman at 10:12 AM on July 1, 2000
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