Snoop Dog to appear in Muppets Movie
September 17, 2002 11:35 AM Subscribe
Snoop Dog to appear in Muppets Movie "The two-hour film, which is currently in production in Vancouver, will feature cameo appearances by Oscar winners Sir Michael Caine and William H. Macy, Snoop Dogg, Carson Daly, Jon Stewart, Kelly Ripa and Rachel Hunter, among others."
Unless The Muppets has suddenly become a program for adults, not kids, what a horrible idea. Would Jim Henson approve of this? I know, let's put Eminem on the teletubbies show!
Unless The Muppets has suddenly become a program for adults, not kids, what a horrible idea. Would Jim Henson approve of this? I know, let's put Eminem on the teletubbies show!
Am I misremembering, or was Gene Simmons a guest on the old Muppet Show? I just looked over the entire guest list and couldn't find him.
posted by Shadowkeeper at 11:40 AM on September 17, 2002
posted by Shadowkeeper at 11:40 AM on September 17, 2002
Richard Pryor was in the original Muppet Movie. How is this different?
Do you think he'll play a character grasping at a "9" in his pants, peddling ounces, speaking profanely?
I know, let's put Eminem on the teletubbies show!
Please.
posted by rocketman at 11:43 AM on September 17, 2002
Do you think he'll play a character grasping at a "9" in his pants, peddling ounces, speaking profanely?
I know, let's put Eminem on the teletubbies show!
Please.
posted by rocketman at 11:43 AM on September 17, 2002
Unless The Muppets has suddenly become a program for adults, not kids...
Did you used to watch the original Muppet movies and tv shows? There were things in them that would fly over the top of any kid's head.
Did you have a problem with foul-mouthed comedian Richard Pryor appearing in The Muppet Movie?
d'oh, on Preview i see that rocketman beat me!
posted by gluechunk at 11:44 AM on September 17, 2002
Did you used to watch the original Muppet movies and tv shows? There were things in them that would fly over the top of any kid's head.
Did you have a problem with foul-mouthed comedian Richard Pryor appearing in The Muppet Movie?
d'oh, on Preview i see that rocketman beat me!
posted by gluechunk at 11:44 AM on September 17, 2002
Would Jim Henson approve of this?
This is irrelevant. Jim Henson is dead, and the Muppets are a corporation.
posted by rocketman at 11:44 AM on September 17, 2002
This is irrelevant. Jim Henson is dead, and the Muppets are a corporation.
posted by rocketman at 11:44 AM on September 17, 2002
Linda Lovelace and Traci Lords should sign up too. I mean, they're clean now, right?
posted by Tacodog at 11:48 AM on September 17, 2002
posted by Tacodog at 11:48 AM on September 17, 2002
I wonder if this will garner protests like when newly-out Melissa Etheridge modified one of her songs ("Like the Way I Do") as an ode to the letter U on Sesame Street?
posted by Dreama at 11:50 AM on September 17, 2002
posted by Dreama at 11:50 AM on September 17, 2002
I personally find that smug shithead mook Carson Daly WAAAY more offensive than Snoop Dogg.
posted by interrobang at 11:50 AM on September 17, 2002
posted by interrobang at 11:50 AM on September 17, 2002
Would Jim Henson approve of this?
Ummm Jim Henson was guy who spent the 70's dreaming up talking frogs, long nosed weirdos, and a guy in a ruffled shirt throwing boomerang fish. I'd imagine he'd think Snoop was a little tame.
posted by KnitWit at 11:52 AM on September 17, 2002
Ummm Jim Henson was guy who spent the 70's dreaming up talking frogs, long nosed weirdos, and a guy in a ruffled shirt throwing boomerang fish. I'd imagine he'd think Snoop was a little tame.
posted by KnitWit at 11:52 AM on September 17, 2002
"Linda Lovelace and Traci Lords should sign up too. I mean, they're clean now, right?"
Well, one claims to be, and the other's dead.
posted by mr_crash_davis at 11:54 AM on September 17, 2002
Well, one claims to be, and the other's dead.
posted by mr_crash_davis at 11:54 AM on September 17, 2002
Does this make Statler and Waldorf player haters?
Anyway, with Snoop Dogg declaring of Morrissey 'He fresh' just the other day, i think we can safely say the threat of big suge knight's henchmen has made his brain go odd.
posted by robself at 11:55 AM on September 17, 2002
Anyway, with Snoop Dogg declaring of Morrissey 'He fresh' just the other day, i think we can safely say the threat of big suge knight's henchmen has made his brain go odd.
posted by robself at 11:55 AM on September 17, 2002
Tacodog, this is the Muppets, not the moral majority. Next I suppose you'll tell me that you have an issue with an HIV-positive muppet on the South African version of Sesame Street?
Had it occurred to you that Snoop Dogg might be playing a character in his hip-hop career that is supposed to make him as much money as possible? Could he possibly be different than the person he portrays to try to sell records?
Do you show everyone every facet of your personality at all times?
Maybe we should stop letting people who drink on to children's shows. After all, they're engaging in private behavior that children should not engage in.
Better yet, why don't we just assume that most kids under the age of 13 haven't heard a Snoop Dogg record and might assume that he's just a smooth-talking father to a couple of children like themselves?
I sincerely doubt he's going to be grabbing his unit and waving a pistol around while smoking a blunt.
'Shizzle my nizzle, Kermit-dizzle! Gizzle some of the strizzle-dizzle, Miss Piggy-diggy."
posted by liquidgnome at 11:58 AM on September 17, 2002
Had it occurred to you that Snoop Dogg might be playing a character in his hip-hop career that is supposed to make him as much money as possible? Could he possibly be different than the person he portrays to try to sell records?
Do you show everyone every facet of your personality at all times?
Maybe we should stop letting people who drink on to children's shows. After all, they're engaging in private behavior that children should not engage in.
Better yet, why don't we just assume that most kids under the age of 13 haven't heard a Snoop Dogg record and might assume that he's just a smooth-talking father to a couple of children like themselves?
I sincerely doubt he's going to be grabbing his unit and waving a pistol around while smoking a blunt.
'Shizzle my nizzle, Kermit-dizzle! Gizzle some of the strizzle-dizzle, Miss Piggy-diggy."
posted by liquidgnome at 11:58 AM on September 17, 2002
Speaking of muppets, I'm still giggling over the weezer video.
posted by arielmeadow at 12:04 PM on September 17, 2002
posted by arielmeadow at 12:04 PM on September 17, 2002
Did I miss something? When did Alice Cooper or Richard Pryor self-produce and market their own porn video? I assumed that was the big concern here.
posted by soyjoy at 12:06 PM on September 17, 2002
posted by soyjoy at 12:06 PM on September 17, 2002
I am sure there has never been any drug use going on where there are a bunch of adults who make a living with their hands up muppet-butt. >cough<
posted by grimbrim at 12:07 PM on September 17, 2002
posted by grimbrim at 12:07 PM on September 17, 2002
"[David] Arquette stars as Daniel, the rookie angel, fresh out of accounting, who is trying to earn his wings by helping Kermit."
I find this part far more disturbing. David Arquette? *shudder*
posted by UKnowForKids at 12:16 PM on September 17, 2002
I find this part far more disturbing. David Arquette? *shudder*
posted by UKnowForKids at 12:16 PM on September 17, 2002
unconfirmed rumor
[scene] 2003 MTV Music Video Awards, Carson and Kermie co-hosting, deep booming voice-over...
And now, please welcome to the stage, Marshall Mathers and Tinky Winky as they perform the hit single "Slim Shady say Uh-Oh".
posted by stinglessbee at 12:20 PM on September 17, 2002
[scene] 2003 MTV Music Video Awards, Carson and Kermie co-hosting, deep booming voice-over...
And now, please welcome to the stage, Marshall Mathers and Tinky Winky as they perform the hit single "Slim Shady say Uh-Oh".
posted by stinglessbee at 12:20 PM on September 17, 2002
This reminds me of the time I saw Cypress Hill perform "Insane in the Brain" live for a bunch of kids on Nickelodeon. While unexpected, as far as I could tell nobody got beat down or capped, no drugs were visible, and any "doobious" lyrics were avoided. I don't know about the parents, but the kids sure loved it!
posted by madprops at 12:23 PM on September 17, 2002
posted by madprops at 12:23 PM on September 17, 2002
I know someone who's working on this movie. Supposedly, Mr. Dogg was very well-prepared, professional and easy to work with.
posted by timeistight at 12:26 PM on September 17, 2002
posted by timeistight at 12:26 PM on September 17, 2002
liquidgnome: If Snoop has cleaned up his act, I say good for him, let him appear on the Muppets. The kids that don't know his past will see him as a clean rapper guy. The kids and adults that do are (or should be) smart enough to know he's on the straight and narrow. Same goes for Traci Lords, if her current body of work (heh) is no longer of the 'blue' variety.
Too bad about Ms. Lovelace though, didn't know she died or I wouldn't have written the above snarky comment. I blame myself for not adding jk!!!1 or :) tags.
posted by Tacodog at 12:29 PM on September 17, 2002
Too bad about Ms. Lovelace though, didn't know she died or I wouldn't have written the above snarky comment. I blame myself for not adding jk!!!1 or :) tags.
posted by Tacodog at 12:29 PM on September 17, 2002
(I should have mentioned that his entourage was nice too.)
posted by timeistight at 12:35 PM on September 17, 2002
posted by timeistight at 12:35 PM on September 17, 2002
From a Wall St. Journal story earlier this week: Jim Henson Co., meanwhile, doesn't see Mr. Broadus in any way as a problem. The company is looking to the rapper to help make its Muppets seem hip again in a 2002 Christmas special, "A Very Merry Muppet Christmas Movie," to run on NBC.
posted by krewson at 12:37 PM on September 17, 2002
posted by krewson at 12:37 PM on September 17, 2002
Yeah, snoop'll make 'em seem "hip" again, all right.
posted by soyjoy at 12:41 PM on September 17, 2002
posted by soyjoy at 12:41 PM on September 17, 2002
stinglessbee...snoop does indeed have hardcore porn in one of his videos (although i don't think that you'll see that one on mtv)
posted by batboy at 1:18 PM on September 17, 2002
posted by batboy at 1:18 PM on September 17, 2002
K: Hi-ho, Mr. Doggy Dogg! 'What it is' umm 'homie'?
S: Yo home frog, whassuh.
K: Oh, just 'chilling' in my 'crib', you know.
S: Coo' coo'. Hey, did uh did that guy deez ever call you?
K :Excuse me? Deez who?
S: Deez muthafuckin' nuh-huts! Ah ha ha ha!
K: Erm.
S: So I seen dat Miss Piggy roun tha way, yo. She's lookin fly.
K: Oh, Miss Piggy is a very pretty girl. No doubt about that.
S: I gots to slip a jimmy in some of that bacon, yo. Shiiiit.
K: Erm.
posted by rusty at 1:43 PM on September 17, 2002
S: Yo home frog, whassuh.
K: Oh, just 'chilling' in my 'crib', you know.
S: Coo' coo'. Hey, did uh did that guy deez ever call you?
K :Excuse me? Deez who?
S: Deez muthafuckin' nuh-huts! Ah ha ha ha!
K: Erm.
S: So I seen dat Miss Piggy roun tha way, yo. She's lookin fly.
K: Oh, Miss Piggy is a very pretty girl. No doubt about that.
S: I gots to slip a jimmy in some of that bacon, yo. Shiiiit.
K: Erm.
posted by rusty at 1:43 PM on September 17, 2002
yo batboy
Got a glock in his pocket, he can pop it, unlock it, shame Snoop don't Wood-stock it hisself.
on preview, mad props to rusty
posted by stinglessbee at 1:48 PM on September 17, 2002
Got a glock in his pocket, he can pop it, unlock it, shame Snoop don't Wood-stock it hisself.
on preview, mad props to rusty
posted by stinglessbee at 1:48 PM on September 17, 2002
Rowlf is the original Snoop Dog.
When did Alice Cooper or Richard Pryor self-produce and market their own porn video?
Immediately, I hope!!!
posted by owillis at 1:52 PM on September 17, 2002
When did Alice Cooper or Richard Pryor self-produce and market their own porn video?
Immediately, I hope!!!
posted by owillis at 1:52 PM on September 17, 2002
From the comments of many posters, I guess anything, really, is ok for kids.
Can Porn Star Rocco Siffredi be on The Muppets, too?
posted by 4midori at 2:04 PM on September 17, 2002
Can Porn Star Rocco Siffredi be on The Muppets, too?
posted by 4midori at 2:04 PM on September 17, 2002
This reminds me of the time I saw Cypress Hill perform "Insane in the Brain" live for a bunch of kids on Nickelodeon. While unexpected, as far as I could tell … any "doobious" lyrics were avoided.
Damn
I feel like the Son of Sam
Don't make me wreck shit hectic
Next to the chair got me goin' like General Electric
EEEN!
The lights are blinking
I'm thinking
It's all over when I go out drinking
Oh, makin' my mind slow,
That's why I don't fuck wit da big four-o
Bro', I gotta maintain
`Cause a nigga like me is goin' insane
…
Do my shit undercover
Now it's time for the blubba
Blabba
To watch that belly get fatter
Fat boy on a diet
Don't try it
I'll jack your ass like a looter in a riot
Much too fat like a sumo slammin' that ass
Leavin' your face in the grass
…
Cops
Come and try to snatch my crops
These pigs wanna blow my house down
Gotta give props to B-Real if he was able to avoid dubious lyrics in the song. :-)
posted by quarantine at 2:27 PM on September 17, 2002
Damn
I feel like the Son of Sam
Don't make me wreck shit hectic
Next to the chair got me goin' like General Electric
EEEN!
The lights are blinking
I'm thinking
It's all over when I go out drinking
Oh, makin' my mind slow,
That's why I don't fuck wit da big four-o
Bro', I gotta maintain
`Cause a nigga like me is goin' insane
…
Do my shit undercover
Now it's time for the blubba
Blabba
To watch that belly get fatter
Fat boy on a diet
Don't try it
I'll jack your ass like a looter in a riot
Much too fat like a sumo slammin' that ass
Leavin' your face in the grass
…
Cops
Come and try to snatch my crops
These pigs wanna blow my house down
Gotta give props to B-Real if he was able to avoid dubious lyrics in the song. :-)
posted by quarantine at 2:27 PM on September 17, 2002
I guess anything, really, is ok for kids
This is why we have these things called "parents".
Can Porn Star Rocco Siffredi be on The Muppets, too?
Only if Ron Jeremy gets first "dibs".
posted by owillis at 2:36 PM on September 17, 2002
This is why we have these things called "parents".
Can Porn Star Rocco Siffredi be on The Muppets, too?
Only if Ron Jeremy gets first "dibs".
posted by owillis at 2:36 PM on September 17, 2002
Actually, The Muppet Show was a variety show, meant for children and adults. It isn't the celebrity, it's what they do. I remember watching Raquel Welch dance in a very scant dress and make passes at Fozzie when I was a child. That was inappropriate, but I don't think it was damaging. My father should have probably exercised a but more discretion about letting me watch it. I really didn't know who most of the guest stars were until years later. I guess I'm saying don't condemn it until you've seen it.
BTW, here's the complete list of guests from the original series.
posted by Miss Beth at 2:38 PM on September 17, 2002
BTW, here's the complete list of guests from the original series.
posted by Miss Beth at 2:38 PM on September 17, 2002
From the comments of many posters, I guess anything, really, is ok for kids.
Yeah, that sums up pretty much exactly what everyone said.
posted by RJ Reynolds at 2:42 PM on September 17, 2002
Yeah, that sums up pretty much exactly what everyone said.
posted by RJ Reynolds at 2:42 PM on September 17, 2002
i so want to hear the hit single "Slim Shady say Uh-Oh" :)
posted by quin at 3:20 PM on September 17, 2002
posted by quin at 3:20 PM on September 17, 2002
quin, it's not quite "Slim Shady say Uh-Oh", but you may like this. It's Chumbawumba and Negativland collaborating with each other (and the Teletubbies.)
posted by Vidiot at 4:03 PM on September 17, 2002
posted by Vidiot at 4:03 PM on September 17, 2002
Okay, reading over the list of guests on the sorely missed Muppet Show, I can say that I would love to see Sly Stallone wallowing with muppets. Singing too! What a howl!
That, and Paul Simon singing, "50 Ways to Leave Your Lover." What was the sketch for that? I can't imagine, but I'm sure it was good.
I miss that show.
posted by readymade at 4:06 PM on September 17, 2002
That, and Paul Simon singing, "50 Ways to Leave Your Lover." What was the sketch for that? I can't imagine, but I'm sure it was good.
I miss that show.
posted by readymade at 4:06 PM on September 17, 2002
Are people really this uptight these days? When I was a kid in the 70's and 80's we watched whatever the hell we wanted.
So what if Snoop made a porno! We watched Hogans Heroes re-runs, and we all know about Bob Cranes (Hogan) exploits (he made s&m films in his basement.) Hell, I saw "A Clockwork Orange" when I was 10 and, other than dropping out of college and a brief addiction to heroin, I turned out fine.
But seriously folks, if George Carlin can host "Shiny Time Station", (or whatever the fuck it was called) then Snoop should be more than welcome on the "Muppet Show".
it's up to parents to distinguish between "Gin and Juice" and Kool Aid.
posted by buz46 at 4:07 PM on September 17, 2002
So what if Snoop made a porno! We watched Hogans Heroes re-runs, and we all know about Bob Cranes (Hogan) exploits (he made s&m films in his basement.) Hell, I saw "A Clockwork Orange" when I was 10 and, other than dropping out of college and a brief addiction to heroin, I turned out fine.
But seriously folks, if George Carlin can host "Shiny Time Station", (or whatever the fuck it was called) then Snoop should be more than welcome on the "Muppet Show".
it's up to parents to distinguish between "Gin and Juice" and Kool Aid.
posted by buz46 at 4:07 PM on September 17, 2002
OOPS.... Bob Crane's Exploits...Damn you Stanley Kubrick!!
posted by buz46 at 4:16 PM on September 17, 2002
posted by buz46 at 4:16 PM on September 17, 2002
Since when was The Muppet Show for kids anyway? Kids certainly enjoy it and most of the humour targeted at adults goes way over their heads (as with The Simpsons et al). If only there were more shows that were aimed at both audiences, there would be a wider choice of entertainment that parents could share with their children and actually enjoy.
posted by dg at 4:52 PM on September 17, 2002
posted by dg at 4:52 PM on September 17, 2002
Readymade: I think Paul was singing to Gonzo about leaving Camilla, his chicken girlfriend. Or was he singing to the chicken? I think Gonzo's love for chickens is more disturbing than any of the guests. Well, that, and pigs trying to seduce frogs.
posted by Miss Beth at 5:36 PM on September 17, 2002
posted by Miss Beth at 5:36 PM on September 17, 2002
Actually, the most disturbing thing in Muppetdom is probably Kermit and Miss Piggy eating Grand Slam breakfasts at Denny's, the ones with ham, bacon and sausage. A pig, eating ham, bacon and sausage, and she orders three of them. Cannibal muppets. That's just wrong.
posted by Dreama at 5:52 PM on September 17, 2002
posted by Dreama at 5:52 PM on September 17, 2002
Lyrics to a song from the FIRST Muppet Movie:
Dr. Teeth:
Ohhh yeah! Whooo!
Everybody's lover, everybody's brother, I wanna be your lifetime friend.
Crazy as a rocket, nothin in my pocket, I keep it at the rainbow's end.
I never think of money, I think of milk 'n honey, grinnin like a cheshire cat.
I focus on the pleasure, somethin' I can treasure, can you picture that?
Can you picture that?
Dr. Teeth: (spoken) Hey, Floyd, take a verse!
Floyd Pepper:
Let me take your picture, add it to the mixture, there it is I got you now!
Really nothin' to it, anyone can do it, it's easy and we all know how.
Now begins the changin', mental rearrangin', nothing's really where it's at,
Dr. Teeth:
Now the Eiffel Tower's holdin up a flower.
I gave it to a Texas cat!
[Musical bridge]
Floyd:
Fact is there's nothin out there you can't do
Yeah, even Santa Claus believes in you.
Dr. Teeth:
Beat down the walls, begin, believe, behold, begat.
Floyd:
Be a better drummer, be an up and comer. Can you picture that?
Animal:
CAN YOU PICTURE THAT??!!
Floyd:
All of us are winnin, pickin and a-grinnin, Lordy but I love to jam
Janice
Jelly-belly gigglin, dancin and a-wigglin, honey that's the way I am!
Dr. Teeth:
Lost my heart in Texas, Northern lights affect us, I keep it underneath my hat,
Aurora Borealis, shinin down on Dallas! Can you picture that?
Can you picture that?
(Chorus)
Can you picture? You gotta see it in your mind!
Can you picture? You know it's quick and easy to find!
Can you picture? You don't have to buy a frame!
Can you picture? Can you picture that?
Can you picture that?
Dr. Teeth:
Use it if you need it
Floyd:
Don't forget to feed it!
All:
Can you picture that?
*************************************
Now, do you really think that Jim Henson and Co. weren't partyin' a bit back in the day?
posted by Optamystic at 6:27 PM on September 17, 2002
Dr. Teeth:
Ohhh yeah! Whooo!
Everybody's lover, everybody's brother, I wanna be your lifetime friend.
Crazy as a rocket, nothin in my pocket, I keep it at the rainbow's end.
I never think of money, I think of milk 'n honey, grinnin like a cheshire cat.
I focus on the pleasure, somethin' I can treasure, can you picture that?
Can you picture that?
Dr. Teeth: (spoken) Hey, Floyd, take a verse!
Floyd Pepper:
Let me take your picture, add it to the mixture, there it is I got you now!
Really nothin' to it, anyone can do it, it's easy and we all know how.
Now begins the changin', mental rearrangin', nothing's really where it's at,
Dr. Teeth:
Now the Eiffel Tower's holdin up a flower.
I gave it to a Texas cat!
[Musical bridge]
Floyd:
Fact is there's nothin out there you can't do
Yeah, even Santa Claus believes in you.
Dr. Teeth:
Beat down the walls, begin, believe, behold, begat.
Floyd:
Be a better drummer, be an up and comer. Can you picture that?
Animal:
CAN YOU PICTURE THAT??!!
Floyd:
All of us are winnin, pickin and a-grinnin, Lordy but I love to jam
Janice
Jelly-belly gigglin, dancin and a-wigglin, honey that's the way I am!
Dr. Teeth:
Lost my heart in Texas, Northern lights affect us, I keep it underneath my hat,
Aurora Borealis, shinin down on Dallas! Can you picture that?
Can you picture that?
(Chorus)
Can you picture? You gotta see it in your mind!
Can you picture? You know it's quick and easy to find!
Can you picture? You don't have to buy a frame!
Can you picture? Can you picture that?
Can you picture that?
Dr. Teeth:
Use it if you need it
Floyd:
Don't forget to feed it!
All:
Can you picture that?
*************************************
Now, do you really think that Jim Henson and Co. weren't partyin' a bit back in the day?
posted by Optamystic at 6:27 PM on September 17, 2002
Hey, William H. Macy's played characters that kill people? And Prince was on the Muppets, and he sang about fucking his sister! What about the CHILDREN?!
posted by anildash at 11:34 PM on September 17, 2002
posted by anildash at 11:34 PM on September 17, 2002
Can Rocco Siffredi be on The Muppets, too?
Ask Miss Piggy
posted by matteo at 6:06 AM on September 18, 2002
Ask Miss Piggy
posted by matteo at 6:06 AM on September 18, 2002
Can Rocco Siffredi be on The Muppets, too?
Ask Miss Piggy
I'm afraid Miss Piggy isn't submissive enough for Rocco. I cant picture her letting any man spit in her mouth, violently gag her with his penis, and then force her to taste her own fecal matter (via his penis). Since this seems to be Rocco Siffredi's modus operandi, I envision Miss Piggy karate chopping his ass right off the set. Hiyah! (karate chop sound?) Miss Piggy don't play that creepy shit.
posted by buz46 at 10:08 AM on September 18, 2002
Ask Miss Piggy
I'm afraid Miss Piggy isn't submissive enough for Rocco. I cant picture her letting any man spit in her mouth, violently gag her with his penis, and then force her to taste her own fecal matter (via his penis). Since this seems to be Rocco Siffredi's modus operandi, I envision Miss Piggy karate chopping his ass right off the set. Hiyah! (karate chop sound?) Miss Piggy don't play that creepy shit.
posted by buz46 at 10:08 AM on September 18, 2002
Snoop Dogg could not possibly, in his most disturbing X-rated crotch-grabbing gun-toting dreams, be half as damaging to children as Mahnamahna. Now that's insane in the brain.
posted by mmoncur at 6:10 AM on September 21, 2002
posted by mmoncur at 6:10 AM on September 21, 2002
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Ummm . . . I have no more problem with him being on a Muppet show/movie than I would have with Alice Cooper. And I'm pretty sure I saw that one.
posted by hackly_fracture at 11:39 AM on September 17, 2002