UI Gone Horribly Awry
April 29, 2003 6:12 PM   Subscribe

baddesigns.com -- This is not a urinal. This phone is hard to turn on. This must be annoying. This design could get you a traffic ticket. This guy has too much time on his hands.
posted by anastasiav (32 comments total)
 
this is fantastic. i've had more than my share of problems with this thing. i once spent 20 minutes struggling with it at my then-girlfriend's parents' house, before giving up and going dirty for the rest of the day.

bad design should be paid attention to more in every aspect of life.
posted by oog at 6:22 PM on April 29, 2003


Then again, some of these make me think this guy is basically a big 'tard.
posted by gimonca at 6:43 PM on April 29, 2003


When simple things have signs, especially homemade signs, it is usually a signal that they aren't well-designed.

*wipes coffee off of nose*
posted by eddydamascene at 6:52 PM on April 29, 2003


Too right, oog. I always dread hotels for that very reason -- do the fixture manufacturers pride themselves on drawing up the weirdest design? You need a PhD in fluidics to understand some of those constructs. When I buy my first home, I know exactly what to install...
posted by Kikkoman at 7:01 PM on April 29, 2003


We have this shower control and a coffeemaker like this one at home, and this fridge at the office.

I gotta admit, in all three cases he has a very valid point. To date, I'm the only person to use the shower in question who has figured out how to get the water to transfer to the shower head. I'm constantly turning the coffee pot on by accident as I work in the kitchen, and about 50% of new employees (me included) has tried to open the office fridge by the wrong side.
posted by tippiedog at 7:04 PM on April 29, 2003


this site is so slow, it must be running on a 300 baud modem.
posted by crunchland at 7:09 PM on April 29, 2003


I have a fridge like that in my kitchen. I didn't know until just now when I checked (I didn't install, came with the apt). Apparently the bad design can be countered by putting the side that doesn't open really close to a wall, then nobody ever sees the 'fake' handle.
posted by dogwalker at 7:37 PM on April 29, 2003


How can anyone be this stupid? I can see making one or two of these mistakes, but this guy is an idiot.
posted by Grod at 7:38 PM on April 29, 2003


This whole site could be devoted to Lotus Notes.
posted by Fabulon7 at 7:41 PM on April 29, 2003


Naturally enough, my only encounter with that infernal shower control was on the morning of an interview I'd traveled to. And it wasn't a hotel, so there was no one to ask: it was a guest house kept by my prospective employer.

Quite similarly stupid is the way you put the gearshift of a Renault twingo into reverse. At the bottom of the stick, there is a plastic molding that looks just like the decorative/concealing part on a million other cars. But no, it's a switch, you pull up on it to get reverse. Of course, the thought never crossed my mind until I was into a three-point turn on a pitch black curvy road in Guadeloupe...

P.S. The guy's not an idiot, he just has an appreciation for functional design. Has anyone here ever seen a well-designed teakettle?
posted by Zurishaddai at 7:54 PM on April 29, 2003


User interface difficulties sometimes aren't so easily fixable, as this site would suggest.

For example, replacing the handles on these doors would prevent them from locking. Clearly that's more important to the owners of the area than a confused user.

And sodium lamps last a long time, and are cheap. Given the option of no light or yellow light, I'd take yellow light anyday. Oh, and in some other countries, yellow doesn't mean an impending red. It means impending green. Confusing, eh? :-)
posted by shepd at 8:03 PM on April 29, 2003


You have to admit, this is a pretty dumb way to label parts of a parking garage.
posted by tss at 8:51 PM on April 29, 2003


Shepd, I don't see how thickening one part of the handle on those doors would prevent them from being locked in the standard fashion, or in the snaked chain manner.

A note about sodium lamps: it's been pretty well documented (by the International Dark-Sky Association and others) that crime is not necessarily deterred by lighting. Another mark against these cheap lamps is that they often work to _reduce_ visibility because of their glare. They could be redesigned to 1) fire photons toward the ground, where it actually does some good, and 2) do so in a more diffuse manner. Given that drawbacks, I think the point stands: sodium lamps suck.
posted by Kikkoman at 8:54 PM on April 29, 2003


Crappy Web Design

This is a web site, yet the background image is apparently intended to fool the reader into believing that she is actually viewing a publication bound in a spiral notebook.

The background image used to render the spiral binding is 4096 pixels wide and 1.4 KB in size.

Design Suggestion

Lose the cutesy spiral binding graphics. It's a web page. Make it look like one. Maybe the page will load a little faster for it.
posted by tomharpel at 8:58 PM on April 29, 2003


Zurishaddai--I drive a '91 Volvo wagon which has the same kind of stickshift as you're describing in the Twingo. Gets every single person who tries driving the car ;) Also, for 5th gear it has a *button* on top of the knob! So instead of a usual 6-slot shifting...thing...it's only got 4 spots arranged in an H, with the reverse being next to 1st gear (again, only when you lift up that ring).

Plus the door handles are set into the door, and are these wierd sliders which you pull back, instead of normal handles. Silly Volvo people...
posted by cyrusdogstar at 9:09 PM on April 29, 2003


Zurishaddai: Well Designed Teakettle

Disclaimer: I've only played with it in the store.

But OXO makes some well designed tools. Their "Pro" line of kitchen knives is excellent for the price. Sorry to sound like an ad...
posted by pitchblende at 10:03 PM on April 29, 2003


I've owned other OXO products, such as their regular knives, and without fail the fancy handles fall off in less than two months. Sorry to sound like a product reviewer..
posted by Pink Fuzzy Bunny at 10:25 PM on April 29, 2003


>Shepd, I don't see how thickening one part of the handle on those doors would prevent them from being locked in the standard fashion, or in the snaked chain manner.

I didn't read closely enough. Good call.

>A note about sodium lamps: it's been pretty well documented (by the International Dark-Sky Association and others) that crime is not necessarily deterred by lighting. Another mark against these cheap lamps is that they often work to _reduce_ visibility because of their glare. They could be redesigned to 1) fire photons toward the ground, where it actually does some good, and 2) do so in a more diffuse manner. Given that drawbacks, I think the point stands: sodium lamps suck.

I dunno. I guess it depends on where they're used. But, given a choice between driving down an unlit street and risking an accident, or dealing with some glare, I'll take the latter. I've never found them to be a problem, myself.

As far as crime goes, well, since I'm driving through the place I'm not worried. But I want to see my potholes in advance, and possibly drunk people before I hit them. :-)
posted by shepd at 11:48 PM on April 29, 2003


The door example looks like it came straight from The Psychology of Everyday Things by Don Norman. I agree with the basic idea that things should 'afford' their purpose but the phone example above is ridiculous - he sent his phone back because he couldn't switch it on! And he had instructions....
posted by jamespake at 12:28 AM on April 30, 2003


Zurishaddai - My old renault had that too... fairly common on cars from continental Europe. I actually liked it. But there are a hell of a lot of things on Renaults and Citroens that are insane...
posted by twine42 at 1:23 AM on April 30, 2003


pitchblende: We bought that teakettle about a year ago, and it rocks so hard. I never thought I'd feel this much for a kettle, but I love it. Plus, it has a nice train-whistle harmonic, instead of the usual obnoxious shriek.

As for the sodium lights in San Jose, I'm voting for dumbass there. I lived in SJ for about a year, and I never had that problem, and I've never heard of anyone else having that problem before. The Lick Observatory thing makes sense, too - if you've ever been up there, you know that it's pretty much just a solid blanket of lights beneath you. The trick is that the sodium lights all have pretty much the same spectrum distribution on them, so they can easily filter out the light from the city without impairing their view of the sky too much. Tricky astronomers.
posted by majcher at 2:16 AM on April 30, 2003


Pink Fuzzy Bunny, I have had the same experience with OXO products. The design seems great, but they are flimsy and break very quickly with normal use.
posted by litlnemo at 2:27 AM on April 30, 2003


Regarding the streetlights: glare, light pollution, and traffic light confusion could all be reduced with proper fixtures that direct all of the light down onto the road surface instead of spilling it out the sides into drivers' faces (causing pupil-shrinking glare and thereby reducing visibility). Good lights in good fixtures would be best for astronomers and drivers.
posted by Songdog at 7:33 AM on April 30, 2003


Speaking of confusing Volvos, the seatbelt and door-open handle on my '91 wagon never fail to befuddle at least one of every two people who sit in my passenger seat. I call it the Swedish Intelligence Test.
posted by gottabefunky at 8:17 AM on April 30, 2003


Regarding the problems with someone being able to turn their cell phone on... how about if you read the instruction manual that comes with the phone? Nifty.

My Kyocera also has this same type of on/off mechanism. Seems pretty common, poor Nokia users having to change. Why is a Nokia the end-all-be-all of cell phone user experience?
posted by benjh at 8:38 AM on April 30, 2003


I think the guy has a point -- it _should_ be obvious how to turn objects on and off. Think about that fundamental state change: it turns a hunk of plastic into a working, useful device.

Why would anyone make something that essential to the purpose of the object non-obvious?

The same goes for doors, incidentally. Would you really want to use a door that required you to read a manual before opening it?

If this guy has a problem, it's that he didn't try out the phone before he bought the thing.
posted by Kikkoman at 9:18 AM on April 30, 2003


OK, seriously...does ANYONE know what this sign really means??
posted by mathis23 at 10:03 AM on April 30, 2003


Headlight controls
A steering column that controls anything except steering is a failed design anyway. Proceed no further.
Shampoo vs. conditioner
We use generic dishwashing liquid for all our dish-, body-, hair- and cat-washing needs. If you must have conditioner, generic fabric softener a) is the same stuff, b) is cheaper, and c) doesn't make you smell like a fruit cup.
Tunafish
packed in oil,
packed in water,
dolphin friendly,
dolphin slaughter...
(-Too Stoned for the Grocery Store)
Keep moving?
One obeys the law and one's own driving manual. My driving manual requires a full stop and both-ways-look at this intersection no matter how loud the idiot behind me honks.
Door push bar
Karate-kick the push bar as hard as you like, right in the middle. Door will tell you which way it wants to open.
Wall-wart impediment
Anything running off a wall-wart power supply is a failed design anyway. Proceed no further.
...good stove top control design
Wrong. You don't get to put controls on the stovetop surface because that's prime pot-putting real estate, and also the prime target for greasy spills. Cure worse than disease.
Windshield wiper controls
A steering column that controls anything except steering is a failed design anyway. Proceed no further.
Phone turns off
The combination of controls on the phone earpiece and ubiquitous voice-menu systems is deadly anyway. To respond to messages you have to take the phone away from your ear so you can't hear the messages. All controls off earpiece, now! (Corollary, all cell phones to landfill, now!)
Phone broken?
RTFM. But we already threw all the cell phones into the landfill anyway.
Don't go to the right?
Don't tell me you aren't going to reveal which way goes over the cliff? Wile E. Coyote needs to know!
posted by jfuller at 12:46 PM on April 30, 2003


But there are a hell of a lot of things on Renaults and Citroens that are insane...

Especially the drivers, anyone who's willing to own one you've got to wonder about!

Oh, and the sign was a "keep right" sign. Do not go to the left as indicated by the left side of the sign, do go right, as indicated by the right pointing arrow on the right half. Confusing? Welcome to Mexico.
posted by Pollomacho at 12:49 PM on April 30, 2003


Um, jfuller conditioner (random non-organic brand):

water, cetearyl alcohol, glycerin, propylene glycol, ceteth-3 acetate, cyclomethicone, behenalkonium chloride, cetyl alcohol, lecithin, ppg-5-ceteth-20, oleth-10, disodium cocoamphodipropionate, avocado oil, taurine, arginine hydrochloride, hydrolyzed soy protein, wheat amino acids, hydroxypropyltrimonium, hydrolyzed wheat protein, trehalose, disodium edta, ethylparaben, methylparaben, guar hydroxypropyltrimonium chloride, phenoxyethanol, glyceryl sterate, peg-100 stearate, cetrimonium chloride, propylparaben, dimethicone, dc orange 4, fdc yellow 5, fragrance

and fabric softener (random brand):

Water , Fabric Softening Agent (Cationic Surfactant) , Fabric Brightening Agent , Quality Control Agent , Perfume and Colorant

are NOT the same things!

From the link: [Fabric Softener] is the most toxic product produced for daily household use. It has been found to be associated with numerous illnesses and chronic conditions.
posted by Pollomacho at 1:02 PM on April 30, 2003


fuller begs to differ.

Surface active agents are used very widely throughout industry where it is necessary to improve contact between polar and non-polar media such as would occur between oil and water or between water and some solids (eg minerals)... their cationic nature causes them to adhere on negatively charged surfaces such as glass, hair, fibre, metals and many plastics. This phenomenon is the basis of their use as antistatic agents, corrosion inhibitors, fabric softeners, hair conditioners, leather softeners, pigment wetting and dispersing agents and water and sewage treatment flocculants.

The surfactant is the "same stuff"; the rest is the fruit cup. Fuller suggests you lay off the hair-care products, they're nasty.
posted by jfuller at 1:55 PM on April 30, 2003


Um, jfuller, your first link didn't go anywhere and your second link only listed "Accosoft" as a fabric softener's active ingredient, what is in Accosoft?

Probably the following:

Chemical Ingredients in Fabric Softeners/Dryer Sheets:

Alpha-Terpineol: "Causes CNS disorders. Highly irritating to mucous membranes. Aspiration into lungs can produce pneumonitis or fatal edema. Lesser exposures can cause decreased circulation, headache, depression of CNS and/or respiratory function, ataxia (loss of muscle coordination), behavioral changes. Prevent repeated or prolonged skin contact."

Benzyl Acetate: "Carcinogenic. Vapors irritating to eyes and respiratory passages, exciting cough. In mice, pancreatic cancer, hyperanemia of the lungs. Can be absorbed through skin causing systemic effects. Do not flush to sewer system."

Benzyl Alcohol: "Associated with CNS disorders. Irritating to upper respiratory tract. Can cause headache, nausea, vomiting, dizziness, sudden drop in blood pressure, CNS depression, death due to respiratory failure."

Camphor: On E.P.A.'s Hazardous Waste list. "Avoid contact with eyes, skin, clothing. Do not breathe vapours. Inhalation can be fatal. Properties: anesthetic, neurotoxic, carcinogenic. Chronic effects of exposure may include liver and/or kidney damage. Medical conditions aggravated by exposure. Kidney disorders, liver disorders, heart disorders, skin disorders, allergic or respiratory conditions. May cause headache, nausea, vomiting, dizziness, drowsiness, irritation of respiratory tract, loss of consciousness. Conditions to avoid: heat".

Ethyl Acetate: On E.P.A.'s Hazardous Waste list. "Narcotic, may cause headache, narcosis, stupour. Irritating to eyes and respiratory tract. May cause anemia with leukocytosis and damage to liver and kidneys. Wash thoroughly after handling."

Limonene: "Prevent contact with skin or eyes. Properties: irritant, sensitizer, carcinogenic. Always wash thoroughly after using, especially before eating, drinking, applying cosmetics. Do not inhale."

Linalool: "Narcotic. Associated with CNS disorders and respiratory disturbances. Attracts bees. In animal testing: ataxic gait, reduced spontaneous motor activity and depression, depressed heart activity, development of respiratory disturbances leading to death."

Pentane: "Danger: Harmful if inhaled. Inhalation of vapor may cause headache, nausea, vomiting, dizziness, irritation of respiratory tract and loss of consciousness. Contact can cause eye or skin irritation."

posted by Pollomacho at 7:56 AM on May 1, 2003


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