Katrina Freedom E-mail
September 21, 2005 11:24 PM Subscribe
After dealing with Hurricane Ivan, I can relate to this. Harsh but makes you think. I recieved this E-mail today: Welcome to the land of the free. Free to come and go as you please. Free to board up windows, free to ignore weather warnings, free to stand on the side of the road out of town with your thumb out begging for a ride, free to take your gasless car to a gas station and beg for gas, free to wait for someone else to come save your ass, free to sit on that ass and pray to god for help.What ever happened to “GOD helps those who help themselves"?Here again, in times of strife, the question on everyone's mind becomes: "Who is to blame?" Well, I know the answer.... I blame NOAA for not calling you personally to tell you a HUGE hurricane is coming to your house and to leave the area.I blame the Red Cross for not setting up a five star resort outside the predicted hurricane path 3 days before it hit and for not shuttling you there on a charter bus.I blame the mayor for not sending a limo to pick up your poor ass to get you out of town. I blame your mother for not smacking you upside the head more often as a child to knock more sense into you, and you for not smacking your stubborn mother when she said she wanted to stay.I believe it's President [insert whomever you like here: Bush, Clinton, Reagan, Lincoln, Washington... whatever.]'s fault for making you live below sea level in a geographic region prone to hurricanes. It's his fault you are poor, have 5 kids and no spouse, car, gas, food, water, scuba gear or gold chains around your neck.It's his fault your welfare check can't afford you an Escalade (or in this case a Zodiac with a 15HP Johnson outboard to get your soaking wet ass off your tin roof). At least the numbskulls in the tornado belt have the common sense to build tornado proof basements to hide in. Oh wait... trailer parks. Never mind.The people of this nation are becoming weaker and weaker. Always looking for someone else to blame for his or her own predicament. It is always someone else's fault. I'm tired of people using socio-economic or "poor" as an excuse. "I can't feed my family 'cause I'm poor. I can't get a job 'cause I'm poor. I can't get an education 'cause I'm poor. I can't [whatever] 'cause I'm poor."I grew up poor and busted my ass to not be poor. This country gave me the freedom to do just that. I know that 99% of poor people are poor because they are just plain lazy. "Poor" is a choice, not an excuse.What has happened to this area and the people in it is a tragedy. We as a country should do what is reasonable to help them. But before you go placing blame and pointing fingers at anyone else, point the finger at yourself (especially those of you waist deep in water) and ask yourself if you personally did everything you could to prevent it.
This post was deleted for the following reason: garbage
I keep trying to read this FPP by my eyes refuse to look at it.
posted by fleacircus at 11:27 PM on September 21, 2005
posted by fleacircus at 11:27 PM on September 21, 2005
She deserved to be raped. She shouldn't have dressed that way.
posted by Malor at 11:28 PM on September 21, 2005
posted by Malor at 11:28 PM on September 21, 2005
Holy Shit. I haven't seen that much white since a Bush fundraiser.
posted by null terminated at 11:28 PM on September 21, 2005 [3 favorites]
posted by null terminated at 11:28 PM on September 21, 2005 [3 favorites]
"Makes you think"? Makes me think that the person who wrote that diatribe is an idiot.
posted by beelzbubba at 11:30 PM on September 21, 2005
posted by beelzbubba at 11:30 PM on September 21, 2005
How would one flag this post? There doesn't seem to be a WTF flag available.
posted by Orb at 11:30 PM on September 21, 2005
posted by Orb at 11:30 PM on September 21, 2005
Doesn't this belong in that racism thread from the other day?
posted by VulcanMike at 11:34 PM on September 21, 2005
posted by VulcanMike at 11:34 PM on September 21, 2005
Orb, I think the "Noise" flag was invented for this sort of post.
posted by dersins at 11:34 PM on September 21, 2005
posted by dersins at 11:34 PM on September 21, 2005
Arrrrgh. Where be Black Pete when ye need 'im?
posted by well_balanced at 11:35 PM on September 21, 2005
posted by well_balanced at 11:35 PM on September 21, 2005
"God helps those who help themselves" is a Ben Franklinism that is pretty fairly at odds with the actual teachings of the Bible (NT, at least). I've always seen it as a cynical dig against religion in general, hardly a guiding moral principle.
Oh, and WTF?
posted by stopgap at 11:35 PM on September 21, 2005
Oh, and WTF?
posted by stopgap at 11:35 PM on September 21, 2005
Addressing New Orleans in particular, the city is a product of generational poverty for christs sake. I won't get into the countless studies that show children end up doing more or less as well economically as their parents do, but don't criticize poor people just because you aren't.
posted by banished at 11:35 PM on September 21, 2005
posted by banished at 11:35 PM on September 21, 2005
I know that 99% of poor people are poor because they are just plain lazy.
I sincerely hope the author gets a debilitating disease. I hope the same for you, Princess.
posted by I Love Tacos at 11:37 PM on September 21, 2005
I sincerely hope the author gets a debilitating disease. I hope the same for you, Princess.
posted by I Love Tacos at 11:37 PM on September 21, 2005
Just to be clear, I don't want you to die. I just want you to get a disease which destroys your ability to earn a decent wage, and makes every moment of your long, long life miserable.
posted by I Love Tacos at 11:39 PM on September 21, 2005
posted by I Love Tacos at 11:39 PM on September 21, 2005
What an amazing piece of shit post.
At the very least, if you're going to shit on the front page, use the [more inside] option, and fucking paragraph breaks.
posted by teece at 11:41 PM on September 21, 2005
At the very least, if you're going to shit on the front page, use the [more inside] option, and fucking paragraph breaks.
posted by teece at 11:41 PM on September 21, 2005
I live on the Alabama/ Florida line on the coast and when hurricane Ivan was predicted to make landfall here I took my family and got out. Matter of fact, I took every penny I had to my name and GOT OUT. We could have sat here like the 12 folks down the road in Grande Lagoon and been swept away but we GOT OUT. We are pretty "poor" but I have a Dell and a thumb and if push came to shove I would have used either one to find a way out. We live week to week. I was out of work for 9 months in a toursist based economy area because of that hurricane. I understand the impact of the physical and psycological effects the storms carry.
posted by PrincessLara at 11:43 PM on September 21, 2005
posted by PrincessLara at 11:43 PM on September 21, 2005
"Poor" is a choice, not an excuse.
You are a funny, funny man ... oh wait, you're SERIOUS?
Try this one on for size: prejudice is a choice, not an excuse.
posted by Relay at 11:45 PM on September 21, 2005
You are a funny, funny man ... oh wait, you're SERIOUS?
Try this one on for size: prejudice is a choice, not an excuse.
posted by Relay at 11:45 PM on September 21, 2005
Why not blame mother nature? Seems reasonable doesn't it?
posted by Guerilla at 11:45 PM on September 21, 2005
posted by Guerilla at 11:45 PM on September 21, 2005
This post compelled me to create an account, just so I could post. I lost my house, my job, my scholarships, nearly all of my worldy possesions, and two pets that I loved dearly. So, for complete lack of a better phrase, "Fuck you, Princess."
posted by Jenafeef at 11:46 PM on September 21, 2005
posted by Jenafeef at 11:46 PM on September 21, 2005
PrincessLara: How did you get out? I'm guessing you left via some sort of gas-powered vehicle that one of you already owned.
posted by I Love Tacos at 11:49 PM on September 21, 2005
posted by I Love Tacos at 11:49 PM on September 21, 2005
Nice you got outta the way of the hurricane. But what's your excuse for such a crap FPP?
posted by wilful at 11:50 PM on September 21, 2005
posted by wilful at 11:50 PM on September 21, 2005
I Love Tacos:
Don't dignify it by engaging it. Flag this gigantic piece of shit and run away.
posted by dersins at 11:51 PM on September 21, 2005
Don't dignify it by engaging it. Flag this gigantic piece of shit and run away.
posted by dersins at 11:51 PM on September 21, 2005
Jenafeef, I assume you GOT OUT. Good girl!
posted by PrincessLara at 11:51 PM on September 21, 2005
posted by PrincessLara at 11:51 PM on September 21, 2005
Wow, this post is virtually content-free and it's just a single screen-long paragraph to boot. Best of both worlds.
posted by oaf at 11:54 PM on September 21, 2005
posted by oaf at 11:54 PM on September 21, 2005
Dear Alabama Chickipoo I've read a lot of crap during my life and quite a lot of it on metafilter; where I also have the ability to scroll on or tag my displeasure. I'm not quite sure what your post means except as a dump on the front page. Most people are already aware that your country has an extremely large number of mean, bigotted, vocal arsehats. It also has a number of opionated, informed and communicative people whose insights are both amusing and interesting. This leads me to believe you are not one of them. Time to move along now.
posted by adamvasco at 11:54 PM on September 21, 2005
posted by adamvasco at 11:54 PM on September 21, 2005
What a shitass post.
Out of curiosity, PL, why the fuck did you cut and paste the whole thing here when the link would have sufficed?
posted by dobbs at 11:54 PM on September 21, 2005
Out of curiosity, PL, why the fuck did you cut and paste the whole thing here when the link would have sufficed?
posted by dobbs at 11:54 PM on September 21, 2005
Wow, seriously, this has to be one of the worst FPPs I have ever seen.
Bravo PrincessLara for finding new and impressive ways to make a shitty FPP, then mixing them with the old standby ways to make a shitty FPP.
I believe you have created something so brilliant in it's foulness that I can't help but feel like I'm standing on the edge of history, eyes closed. arms spread wide, listening for the subtle whispers of future generations mocking you.
posted by Jezztek at 11:54 PM on September 21, 2005 [7 favorites]
Bravo PrincessLara for finding new and impressive ways to make a shitty FPP, then mixing them with the old standby ways to make a shitty FPP.
I believe you have created something so brilliant in it's foulness that I can't help but feel like I'm standing on the edge of history, eyes closed. arms spread wide, listening for the subtle whispers of future generations mocking you.
posted by Jezztek at 11:54 PM on September 21, 2005 [7 favorites]
I think it's quite brilliant, really, the way the atrocious layout of the text and the total disregard for the site's posting guidelines in this FPP so perfectly matches the crude and utterly compassionless content of the linked screed. And I might even have given the dear Princess the benefit of the doubt had she not popped up to defend this piece of crap with a bonus helping of self-righteous blather.
I'm sure this'll be deleted, but it should be preserved somewhere for posterity so it can be referred to whenever someone tries to hang the "Worst. Post. Ever." tag on a garden-variety lousy post.
On preview: Seconding what jezztek said.
posted by gompa at 11:58 PM on September 21, 2005
I'm sure this'll be deleted, but it should be preserved somewhere for posterity so it can be referred to whenever someone tries to hang the "Worst. Post. Ever." tag on a garden-variety lousy post.
On preview: Seconding what jezztek said.
posted by gompa at 11:58 PM on September 21, 2005
I do sincerely feel bad for all whose lives have been turned upside down no matter what kind of life they had before Katrina wrecked the world they knew before. Natural disasters are part of this world and we all know that eventually the entire planet is doomed for the inevitable. Look at the dinosaurs that ruled the earth for millions of years before us. Do you think they wanted the life they lived to end? Most likely not. Blaming people and pointing fingers is not the way to cope with such things. Being able to possibly understand such tragedy and help those affected is the best solution in my opinion.
posted by Guerilla at 11:58 PM on September 21, 2005
posted by Guerilla at 11:58 PM on September 21, 2005
Jenafeef, I assume you GOT OUT. Good girl!
Good girl? What the fuck is she, a pet dog? Get out and take your shit FPP with you.
posted by kosher_jenny at 12:01 AM on September 22, 2005
Good girl? What the fuck is she, a pet dog? Get out and take your shit FPP with you.
posted by kosher_jenny at 12:01 AM on September 22, 2005
This is just another example of why we need an "Are you fucking kidding me?" flag.
posted by kyleg at 12:01 AM on September 22, 2005
posted by kyleg at 12:01 AM on September 22, 2005
Don't dignify it by engaging it. Flag this gigantic piece of shit and run away.
You're right. I just find these assertions so misguided and offensive that I can't adaquately express my disgust.
They're the type of thing that could only be spoken by somebody who has never had any real problems in their life.
posted by I Love Tacos at 12:03 AM on September 22, 2005
You're right. I just find these assertions so misguided and offensive that I can't adaquately express my disgust.
They're the type of thing that could only be spoken by somebody who has never had any real problems in their life.
posted by I Love Tacos at 12:03 AM on September 22, 2005
As a general rule, if it's being passed around by email, then it won't make a good front page post.
posted by drezdn at 12:04 AM on September 22, 2005
posted by drezdn at 12:04 AM on September 22, 2005
Let me just add: Holy CRAP this is a shit post.
I mean wow it's almost a work of art.
---
Anyway, the problem with poor people is that they're not lazy enough. Seriously. They work long hours at shit jobs to provide food for their kids and they're too proud to take advantage of government programs because it's 'un-American'
posted by delmoi at 12:08 AM on September 22, 2005
I mean wow it's almost a work of art.
---
Anyway, the problem with poor people is that they're not lazy enough. Seriously. They work long hours at shit jobs to provide food for their kids and they're too proud to take advantage of government programs because it's 'un-American'
posted by delmoi at 12:08 AM on September 22, 2005
Bravo PrincessLara for finding new and impressive ways to make a shitty FPP, then mixing them with the old standby ways to make a shitty FPP.
Heh. Seriously though, this is by far the worst FPP I have ever seen. I can't feel anything other then awe at this point. But I'm somewhat of a right bastard to begin with.
posted by delmoi at 12:10 AM on September 22, 2005
And, also, lunatic rants also do not make for good FPP material.
Links to lunatic rants however, are a whole other matter.
posted by Freen at 12:12 AM on September 22, 2005
Links to lunatic rants however, are a whole other matter.
posted by Freen at 12:12 AM on September 22, 2005
They're putting the evacuees in fenced off housing? Is response to catastrophic ignorance within FEMA's charter?
posted by VulcanMike at 12:13 AM on September 22, 2005
posted by VulcanMike at 12:13 AM on September 22, 2005
What a bunch of fucking idiots. I'm STILL on my search for intelligent life on the 'net. How far can you WALK in four days??? The folks in New Orleans had FOUR DAYS NOTICE that this storm was coming.
posted by PrincessLara at 12:13 AM on September 22, 2005
posted by PrincessLara at 12:13 AM on September 22, 2005
I know that 99% of poor people are poor because they are just plain lazy.
Lets do the math here, if a poor couple has 5 children then shouldn't 71% of poor people be children? Are children also responsible for their parents mistakes?
Aperantly PrincessLara thinks so.
posted by delmoi at 12:13 AM on September 22, 2005
Lets do the math here, if a poor couple has 5 children then shouldn't 71% of poor people be children? Are children also responsible for their parents mistakes?
Aperantly PrincessLara thinks so.
posted by delmoi at 12:13 AM on September 22, 2005
Jenafeef, sorry to hear about your incredibly appalling luck. But welcome anyway. There's beer in the fridge and I think Princesstoomuchdamnwritingonthefrontpage will get up and give you her seat on the couch. She should probably also order you a pizza and massage your feet. This post will likely be deleted, if it's any minor consolation.
posted by peacay at 12:14 AM on September 22, 2005
posted by peacay at 12:14 AM on September 22, 2005
My god! Innocently, I pressed refresh.
And 'lo! Mine eyes were wrent asunder by a mass of white maggots, wriggling against the blue background.
"Surely," thought I, "it must be important!",
So, teeth gritted, I scanned the text.
Byte by byte I fought on down,
Searching for a clue.
Up until it dawned on me,
The author sought one too.
posted by coriolisdave at 12:14 AM on September 22, 2005 [4 favorites]
And 'lo! Mine eyes were wrent asunder by a mass of white maggots, wriggling against the blue background.
"Surely," thought I, "it must be important!",
So, teeth gritted, I scanned the text.
Byte by byte I fought on down,
Searching for a clue.
Up until it dawned on me,
The author sought one too.
posted by coriolisdave at 12:14 AM on September 22, 2005 [4 favorites]
I'm so glad I got to see this before it disappeared.
posted by pruner at 12:14 AM on September 22, 2005
posted by pruner at 12:14 AM on September 22, 2005
Wow. You know, I was just going to post a picture of a giant pile of steaming corn-encrusted soda-can-thick turd to the blue using the "marquee" tag to make it scroll merrily from one side of the screen to the other.
This is infinitely better.
I hope you almost die in a fire.
posted by wakko at 12:15 AM on September 22, 2005
This is infinitely better.
I hope you almost die in a fire.
posted by wakko at 12:15 AM on September 22, 2005
What a bunch of fucking idiots. I'm STILL on my search for intelligent life on the 'net. How far can you WALK in four days??? The folks in New Orleans had FOUR DAYS NOTICE that this storm was coming.
And you've had plenty of time to post to the other threads discussing this very issue. 110 of them. Yet you didn't post in any of them -- you just waited to post this crap to the front page.
posted by VulcanMike at 12:16 AM on September 22, 2005
And you've had plenty of time to post to the other threads discussing this very issue. 110 of them. Yet you didn't post in any of them -- you just waited to post this crap to the front page.
posted by VulcanMike at 12:16 AM on September 22, 2005
Anyone got any bets on the reason Matt will give for deletion?
posted by coriolisdave at 12:16 AM on September 22, 2005
posted by coriolisdave at 12:16 AM on September 22, 2005
O/T: Delmoi....man, I don't regard you as dumb AT ALL but umm...from thread to thread I've had this desire to ask you to please, kindly use the spellchecker - it does actually make reading easier for the rest of us. OK, that's enough from me.
posted by peacay at 12:17 AM on September 22, 2005
posted by peacay at 12:17 AM on September 22, 2005
Wow. I'm -- without words. Oh, wait, no I'm not.
Not at the FPP (although it's terrible), but at PrincessLara's follow-up comments. I have not often witnessed an individual with so little understanding, so little sympathy, so little empathy.
At risk of feeding the troll -- PrincessLara, as you continue your "search for intelligent life on the 'net", I recommend that you stride quickly past 127.0.0.1, for you will not find it there.
posted by davejay at 12:19 AM on September 22, 2005
Not at the FPP (although it's terrible), but at PrincessLara's follow-up comments. I have not often witnessed an individual with so little understanding, so little sympathy, so little empathy.
At risk of feeding the troll -- PrincessLara, as you continue your "search for intelligent life on the 'net", I recommend that you stride quickly past 127.0.0.1, for you will not find it there.
posted by davejay at 12:19 AM on September 22, 2005
Anyone got any bets on the reason Matt will give for deletion?
I hope it's something along the lines of "shit post."
posted by oaf at 12:19 AM on September 22, 2005
I hope it's something along the lines of "shit post."
posted by oaf at 12:19 AM on September 22, 2005
Said another way...
Kanye West: George Bush doesn’t care about Black people.
Dumbasses: Well, maybe he'd care if you all weren't so lazy and stupid.
It's absolutely amazing the race and class divisions discussion of Katrina have brought out. I'm truly stunned by some of the things I've read people proudly assert.
posted by VulcanMike at 12:19 AM on September 22, 2005
Kanye West: George Bush doesn’t care about Black people.
Dumbasses: Well, maybe he'd care if you all weren't so lazy and stupid.
It's absolutely amazing the race and class divisions discussion of Katrina have brought out. I'm truly stunned by some of the things I've read people proudly assert.
posted by VulcanMike at 12:19 AM on September 22, 2005
Oh, and just 'cuz it's late and fun to talk about before this whole thread gets deleted: when someone says "being poor is a choice", they rarely consider the timeframe. For instance, thanks to an amazing amount of hard work and struggle, my father rose from his initial state of poverty-at-birth to a lower-middle-class lifestyle -- but it took him almost 30 years to do it.
Then again, I suppose he made it before the hurricane came, so it all worked out.
I crack myself up.
posted by davejay at 12:21 AM on September 22, 2005
Then again, I suppose he made it before the hurricane came, so it all worked out.
I crack myself up.
posted by davejay at 12:21 AM on September 22, 2005
It's absolutely amazing the race and class divisions discussion of Katrina have brought out
Indeed, and I'm glad this stuff is on the surface now, because it's easier to deal with our problems when we can all admit there's a problem.
We can all admit that, now, right?
Right?
Hello?
posted by davejay at 12:23 AM on September 22, 2005
There's poor as in owns a crappy car, barely makes mortgage payments, and restaurant dinners are a birthday occasion. Then there's poor as in actually doesn't have the luxury of believing they'll be able to eat every day.
PrincessLara, ever given consideration that even if you're walking away from the hurricane, you gotta eat? You gotta find safe place to sleep?
You lack human compassion. What you deserve, I do not know. I can only hope when in need, you do not face someone as heartless as yourself. It would be less than anybody deserves.
posted by Saydur at 12:23 AM on September 22, 2005
PrincessLara, ever given consideration that even if you're walking away from the hurricane, you gotta eat? You gotta find safe place to sleep?
You lack human compassion. What you deserve, I do not know. I can only hope when in need, you do not face someone as heartless as yourself. It would be less than anybody deserves.
posted by Saydur at 12:23 AM on September 22, 2005
We can all admit that, now, right?
How many of us knew it was this bad? I sure didn't.
posted by VulcanMike at 12:24 AM on September 22, 2005
How many of us knew it was this bad? I sure didn't.
posted by VulcanMike at 12:24 AM on September 22, 2005
I didn't know it, either, VulcanMike...but I sure suspected it, many times.
posted by davejay at 12:27 AM on September 22, 2005
posted by davejay at 12:27 AM on September 22, 2005
(last post of mine in this soon-to-be-dead thread: I came here tonight because I'm awake, which is unusual at this hour, and I thought to myself "I wonder what kind of cool stuff gets posted during the night, when the politicos and trolls are asleep." Less than 20 seconds later, I got to the end of this FPP, and will now be going to sleep sadder than I thought.)
posted by davejay at 12:28 AM on September 22, 2005
posted by davejay at 12:28 AM on September 22, 2005
O/T: Delmoi....man, I don't regard you as dumb AT ALL but umm...from thread to thread I've had this desire to ask you to please, kindly use the spellchecker - it does actually make reading easier for the rest of us. OK, that's enough from me.
Sorry, actually I spell check like 80% or so of my posts. Quite sad.
posted by delmoi at 12:29 AM on September 22, 2005
How many of us knew it was this bad? I sure didn't.
Put me in the "I sure as hell didn't" group.
posted by delmoi at 12:32 AM on September 22, 2005
Put me in the "I sure as hell didn't" group.
posted by delmoi at 12:32 AM on September 22, 2005
You lack human compassion. What you deserve, I do not know. I can only hope when in need, you do not face someone as heartless as yourself. It would be less than anybody deserves.
I've BEEN there. I had $12,000 worth of damage to my home that my insurance didn't want to cover that we are STILL trying to restore.
When we left here for Ivan, there were 7 of us and a dog that stayed in one hotel room in Monroeville, AL so that we COULD afford to get out.
posted by PrincessLara at 12:32 AM on September 22, 2005
I've BEEN there. I had $12,000 worth of damage to my home that my insurance didn't want to cover that we are STILL trying to restore.
When we left here for Ivan, there were 7 of us and a dog that stayed in one hotel room in Monroeville, AL so that we COULD afford to get out.
posted by PrincessLara at 12:32 AM on September 22, 2005
"I wonder what kind of cool stuff gets posted during the night, when the politicos and trolls are asleep."
Oddly enough I was thinking the same thing. Now I lay awake thinking of how ugly a self-proclaimed "princess" can be.
posted by Guerilla at 12:32 AM on September 22, 2005
Oddly enough I was thinking the same thing. Now I lay awake thinking of how ugly a self-proclaimed "princess" can be.
posted by Guerilla at 12:32 AM on September 22, 2005
(Before this gets lost to the "Land of Deleted Posts") - Thanks Peacay and Kosher_jenny!
posted by Jenafeef at 12:33 AM on September 22, 2005
posted by Jenafeef at 12:33 AM on September 22, 2005
You know, forwarding incoherent and offensive political email rants to your office/list of friends/etc was already old and tiresome before anyone ever heard their computer telling them "you've got mail!" Posting the same sort of bigoted, logic-free, compassionless stuff as a huge maggot-filled shit on the blue is not an improvement. You're not going to find what you call, uh, "intelligent life on the net" here, at least the sort you seek. Might want to check out some White Power or NeoNazi sites, PrincessLara, because you're more likely to find like-minded souls over there.
posted by ubersturm at 12:37 AM on September 22, 2005
posted by ubersturm at 12:37 AM on September 22, 2005
PrincessLara: You're seriously comparing yourself to poor people in a hurricane and complaining about your insurnace coverage in the same breath?
posted by VulcanMike at 12:37 AM on September 22, 2005
posted by VulcanMike at 12:37 AM on September 22, 2005
I can't decide if I am awe struck or dumbfounded by this steaming pile of crap.
posted by squeak at 12:40 AM on September 22, 2005
posted by squeak at 12:40 AM on September 22, 2005
Thanks, Jenafeef. I'm sorry for your losses, and I'm glad that you survived.
And I will be sad to see this thread go, but only because coriolisdave's brilliant comment will go bye-bye.
Made it worth it, it did.
posted by kosher_jenny at 12:40 AM on September 22, 2005
And I will be sad to see this thread go, but only because coriolisdave's brilliant comment will go bye-bye.
Made it worth it, it did.
posted by kosher_jenny at 12:40 AM on September 22, 2005
I've BEEN there. I had $12,000 worth of damage to my home that my insurance didn't want to cover that we are STILL trying to restore.
When we left here for Ivan, there were 7 of us and a dog that stayed in one hotel room in Monroeville, AL so that we COULD afford to get out.
And yet, I'm guessing that you had both a car and money for gas to pay for the trip?
When you don't have $40 to your name a car trip out of the state is out of the question. The people who went to the superdome did what they were told to do. They suffered because the people in charge fucked up, not because the victims were lazy, you fucking bitch.
posted by delmoi at 12:43 AM on September 22, 2005 [1 favorite]
When we left here for Ivan, there were 7 of us and a dog that stayed in one hotel room in Monroeville, AL so that we COULD afford to get out.
And yet, I'm guessing that you had both a car and money for gas to pay for the trip?
When you don't have $40 to your name a car trip out of the state is out of the question. The people who went to the superdome did what they were told to do. They suffered because the people in charge fucked up, not because the victims were lazy, you fucking bitch.
posted by delmoi at 12:43 AM on September 22, 2005 [1 favorite]
the original diatribe - stupid stuff, for sure - actually had line breaks/paragraphs, so why did PrincessLara remove them? to make it even worse and more crappy? i guess so. lovely stuff, babe.
and i just bet that, besides being a Bush/Limbaugh/Coulter Republican, you're a Christian too, and proud of it. a perfect example of what Gandhi meant when he said: "I like your Christ, just not your Christians".
by the way, when you were off work for 9 months, being 'poor' and all, did you get welfare benefits (cheque, food stamps, rental assistance, etc) of any kind? and how come you did not go and get a job at Walmart? they are always hiring.
posted by TrinityB5 at 12:44 AM on September 22, 2005
and i just bet that, besides being a Bush/Limbaugh/Coulter Republican, you're a Christian too, and proud of it. a perfect example of what Gandhi meant when he said: "I like your Christ, just not your Christians".
by the way, when you were off work for 9 months, being 'poor' and all, did you get welfare benefits (cheque, food stamps, rental assistance, etc) of any kind? and how come you did not go and get a job at Walmart? they are always hiring.
posted by TrinityB5 at 12:44 AM on September 22, 2005
And I will be sad to see this thread go, but only because coriolisdave's brilliant comment will go bye-bye.
You can still see deleted posts here
posted by delmoi at 12:45 AM on September 22, 2005
You can still see deleted posts here
posted by delmoi at 12:45 AM on September 22, 2005
Another possible FPP for PrincessLara:
New Orleans Savagery by David Duke
posted by I Love Tacos at 12:47 AM on September 22, 2005
New Orleans Savagery by David Duke
posted by I Love Tacos at 12:47 AM on September 22, 2005
Harsh but makes you think.
yeah, makes me think "wow, this is fucking stupid."
posted by Hat Maui at 12:54 AM on September 22, 2005
yeah, makes me think "wow, this is fucking stupid."
posted by Hat Maui at 12:54 AM on September 22, 2005
PrincessLara doesn't care about black people.
Lol.
posted by delmoi at 12:54 AM on September 22, 2005
Lol.
posted by delmoi at 12:54 AM on September 22, 2005
If poor people are so smart how come so many of them are black?
posted by moift at 12:56 AM on September 22, 2005 [1 favorite]
posted by moift at 12:56 AM on September 22, 2005 [1 favorite]
Pee-Yooooo. Honey, next time you have to cut the cheese, take it outside. We're trying to read in here.
posted by maryh at 12:58 AM on September 22, 2005
posted by maryh at 12:58 AM on September 22, 2005
[A] perfect example of what Gandhi meant when he said: "I like your Christ, just not your Christians".
I'd forgotten that quote. More relevant than ever here.
posted by qwip at 1:01 AM on September 22, 2005
I'd forgotten that quote. More relevant than ever here.
posted by qwip at 1:01 AM on September 22, 2005
MetaFilter -- for complete lack of a better phrase, "Fuck you, Princess"
posted by matteo at 1:01 AM on September 22, 2005
posted by matteo at 1:01 AM on September 22, 2005
Maybe the people who didn't leave should have. Maybe they had plenty of warning. I know I did, and I left, and I was initially annoyed that so many hadn't bent over backward to find a way, any way, to get away from that murderous fucking hurricane.
At the same time, after a few days I came to the realization that whatever mistake they had made by not leaving, presuming they could have, was not worth what they were suffering. The punishmen here did not fit the crime, and to have their misery compounded by such an agressive and insulting lack of compassion?
Wow. I'm just startled that so many Americans actually do hate and blame the poor, as I see exactly this sort of screed popping up left and freakin' right.
More on the right than the left, though.
posted by maxsparber at 1:02 AM on September 22, 2005
At the same time, after a few days I came to the realization that whatever mistake they had made by not leaving, presuming they could have, was not worth what they were suffering. The punishmen here did not fit the crime, and to have their misery compounded by such an agressive and insulting lack of compassion?
Wow. I'm just startled that so many Americans actually do hate and blame the poor, as I see exactly this sort of screed popping up left and freakin' right.
More on the right than the left, though.
posted by maxsparber at 1:02 AM on September 22, 2005
Thanks Vulcan, I was thinking the same thing. Insurance? House? LOL!
Thumb to hitch? Try that, with a black thumb. Bet you get more beer cans in your face than rides. (and we'll just not count the soda cans).
posted by Goofyy at 1:04 AM on September 22, 2005
Thumb to hitch? Try that, with a black thumb. Bet you get more beer cans in your face than rides. (and we'll just not count the soda cans).
posted by Goofyy at 1:04 AM on September 22, 2005
I missed this post:
What a bunch of fucking idiots. I'm STILL on my search for intelligent life on the 'net. How far can you WALK in four days??? The folks in New Orleans had FOUR DAYS NOTICE that this storm was coming.
The answer: Not out of the way of a hurricane. If they tried walking out they would have probably died. They were told to go to the superdome, and even bussed there. They did exactly what they were told to do, given their actual ability to evacuate.
If poor people are so smart how come so many of them are black?
God that's funny.
posted by delmoi at 1:06 AM on September 22, 2005
What a bunch of fucking idiots. I'm STILL on my search for intelligent life on the 'net. How far can you WALK in four days??? The folks in New Orleans had FOUR DAYS NOTICE that this storm was coming.
The answer: Not out of the way of a hurricane. If they tried walking out they would have probably died. They were told to go to the superdome, and even bussed there. They did exactly what they were told to do, given their actual ability to evacuate.
If poor people are so smart how come so many of them are black?
God that's funny.
posted by delmoi at 1:06 AM on September 22, 2005
Wow, what an offensively stupid post.
Let's see, completely unformatted, grotesquely long, poorly structured, single link opinion, and to top it all off, the most offensive piece of inflammatory nonsense I have read about Katrina. Well done, Princess. You are either a magnificent troll, or a true colossus among ignorant jackasses. Bravo.
posted by [expletive deleted] at 1:08 AM on September 22, 2005
Let's see, completely unformatted, grotesquely long, poorly structured, single link opinion, and to top it all off, the most offensive piece of inflammatory nonsense I have read about Katrina. Well done, Princess. You are either a magnificent troll, or a true colossus among ignorant jackasses. Bravo.
posted by [expletive deleted] at 1:08 AM on September 22, 2005
I wonder if people have ever done studies on the economic mobility from diffrent 'strata'. I'd be willing to bet it's a lot harder for poor people to become middle class then middle class people to get rich.
The fact that poor people are often so poorly educated isn't helping anything.
posted by delmoi at 1:14 AM on September 22, 2005
The fact that poor people are often so poorly educated isn't helping anything.
posted by delmoi at 1:14 AM on September 22, 2005
The fact that poor people are often so poorly educated isn't helping anything.
But OMG it's their fault for being poor and therefore poorly educated!!!!!!
posted by oaf at 1:29 AM on September 22, 2005
But OMG it's their fault for being poor and therefore poorly educated!!!!!!
posted by oaf at 1:29 AM on September 22, 2005
Because I feel the need to participate: THIS IS WHY WE CAN'T HAVE NICE THINGS!
posted by Plinko at 1:32 AM on September 22, 2005
posted by Plinko at 1:32 AM on September 22, 2005
TrinityB5 and others, please don't assume that the author is a Christian. She hasn't claimed Christianity in any post or comment that I've seen, and she doesn't speak for the Christian community, at least not according to any Biblical standards of which I am aware. No harm done, but I just want to point out that I think you're jumping to unwarranted conclusions...
posted by Micah at 1:35 AM on September 22, 2005
posted by Micah at 1:35 AM on September 22, 2005
****** Absolutely Wonderful, had me laughing in amazed disbelief.
Would read a whole shitful of text from this poster again.
posted by Joeforking at 1:45 AM on September 22, 2005
Would read a whole shitful of text from this poster again.
posted by Joeforking at 1:45 AM on September 22, 2005
But before you go placing blame and pointing fingers at anyone else, point the finger at yourself (especially those of you waist deep in water) and ask yourself if you personally did everything you could to prevent it.
You know, when I was waist deep in water, pulling the sick and elderly and little children from their flooded homes, I made sure to point my finger right in their faces and ask them if they personally did everything they could to prevent the hurricane. And you know what? Some of them COULD HAVE done more. Lazy fucking children and...you know...the sick and the poor.
PrincessColdChef
posted by ColdChef at 1:47 AM on September 22, 2005 [1 favorite]
You know, when I was waist deep in water, pulling the sick and elderly and little children from their flooded homes, I made sure to point my finger right in their faces and ask them if they personally did everything they could to prevent the hurricane. And you know what? Some of them COULD HAVE done more. Lazy fucking children and...you know...the sick and the poor.
PrincessColdChef
posted by ColdChef at 1:47 AM on September 22, 2005 [1 favorite]
"Harsh but makes you think"
Yeah, it makes me think that average intelligence doesn't mean the same thing it did ten years ago. Christ almighty.
posted by dodgygeezer at 2:07 AM on September 22, 2005
Yeah, it makes me think that average intelligence doesn't mean the same thing it did ten years ago. Christ almighty.
posted by dodgygeezer at 2:07 AM on September 22, 2005
I'm guessing there's a heavy dose of lead in Princess's water.
posted by Plinko at 2:14 AM on September 22, 2005
posted by Plinko at 2:14 AM on September 22, 2005
So, if "poor" was the only reason not to leave - why didn't the hospitals and carecenters evacutae? Hmm?
posted by dabitch at 2:19 AM on September 22, 2005
posted by dabitch at 2:19 AM on September 22, 2005
+++++ Great poster. would read again.
posted by lemonfridge at 2:22 AM on September 22, 2005
posted by lemonfridge at 2:22 AM on September 22, 2005
Didn't the levee fail after the hurricane? After people were returning home?
posted by Plinko at 2:24 AM on September 22, 2005
posted by Plinko at 2:24 AM on September 22, 2005
Wait, nevermind. I'm full of crap. Ignore me.
Thank god this thread is slated for deletion.
posted by Plinko at 2:28 AM on September 22, 2005
Thank god this thread is slated for deletion.
posted by Plinko at 2:28 AM on September 22, 2005
Whilst this is a terribly constructed FPP, I am afraid the discussion is also of dubious quality. I am interested in PrincessLara's story and would like to know more of her experiences with the hurricane. If people could refrain from the personal invective there might be a possibility of understanding her point of view. Not that PL has helped her case much so far. If someone could take the time to separate the various strands of 'argument' in the FPP, we might start to properly criticise it. Many may think that the arguments are ignorant and racist, but explanation of why that might be rather than the emotional and profane reaction does not help with the understanding.
PrincessLara - hindsight is a wonderful thing, I hope you are relieved at your relative good luck and spare a thought for those less lucky than you. You must understand that some of the contents of the email are very difficult to take seriously, which throws the whole thing into a dubious light. I am left wondering if the FPP and your contributions are not some Swiftian ruse? Are you really as angry and bitter as you sound at other people being less fortunate than you?
PrincessLara quotes posted "I know that 99% of poor people are poor because they are just plain lazy"
This, for instance, is a statement that could do with some back up links if you don't want attract ire and insults for posting it. I have yet to meet anyone who can justify this argument, please help me understand it.
Plinko writes "Didn't the levee fail after the hurricane?"
Yes it did, you are not full of crap.
Also, I think the formatting is ignored by the FPP form, which is why the screed appeared as a continuous flow.
posted by asok at 2:33 AM on September 22, 2005
PrincessLara - hindsight is a wonderful thing, I hope you are relieved at your relative good luck and spare a thought for those less lucky than you. You must understand that some of the contents of the email are very difficult to take seriously, which throws the whole thing into a dubious light. I am left wondering if the FPP and your contributions are not some Swiftian ruse? Are you really as angry and bitter as you sound at other people being less fortunate than you?
PrincessLara quotes posted "I know that 99% of poor people are poor because they are just plain lazy"
This, for instance, is a statement that could do with some back up links if you don't want attract ire and insults for posting it. I have yet to meet anyone who can justify this argument, please help me understand it.
Plinko writes "Didn't the levee fail after the hurricane?"
Yes it did, you are not full of crap.
Also, I think the formatting is ignored by the FPP form, which is why the screed appeared as a continuous flow.
posted by asok at 2:33 AM on September 22, 2005
at least craigslist was good enough to get rid of that crap.
posted by shmegegge at 2:47 AM on September 22, 2005
posted by shmegegge at 2:47 AM on September 22, 2005
PrincessLara:
I've BEEN there. I had $12,000 worth of damage to my home that my insurance didn't want to cover that we are STILL trying to restore.
Oh jeez. I was going to stay out of the pile-on, but this just takes the cake. Are you fucking kidding me?
You're screaming about insurance?
That you would even think to parade your insurance woes as a sign of poverty shows just how little you really know about being poor. Poor people can only wish they had the luxury of being able to worry about things like insurance.
posted by PsychoKick at 2:51 AM on September 22, 2005
I've BEEN there. I had $12,000 worth of damage to my home that my insurance didn't want to cover that we are STILL trying to restore.
Oh jeez. I was going to stay out of the pile-on, but this just takes the cake. Are you fucking kidding me?
You're screaming about insurance?
That you would even think to parade your insurance woes as a sign of poverty shows just how little you really know about being poor. Poor people can only wish they had the luxury of being able to worry about things like insurance.
posted by PsychoKick at 2:51 AM on September 22, 2005
and coriolisdave's comment was awesome. awesome and a half.
posted by shmegegge at 2:52 AM on September 22, 2005
posted by shmegegge at 2:52 AM on September 22, 2005
Walk, you say? In four days?
Let's say I have a infant who takes formula. So I've got to carry her formula, clean water, bottles, not to mention her diapers.
Let's say I also have a three year old, or even a five year old - how much do you think a child could walk in four days?
We're going to need to eat, drink, etc. We are poor, we have no money, so we have to carry what we have in the house.
No, I don't think we are going very far, princess.
Nice that you got to stay in a hotel, cramped room or not. But methinks you do not know what "poor" means. Poor is not "seven people in one hotel room while I ponder my insurance." Poor means "I have three dollars to my name and my kids need to eat."
You are, Princess - for lack of a better word - a tool. An ignorant one at that.
posted by grey_flap at 2:52 AM on September 22, 2005
Let's say I have a infant who takes formula. So I've got to carry her formula, clean water, bottles, not to mention her diapers.
Let's say I also have a three year old, or even a five year old - how much do you think a child could walk in four days?
We're going to need to eat, drink, etc. We are poor, we have no money, so we have to carry what we have in the house.
No, I don't think we are going very far, princess.
Nice that you got to stay in a hotel, cramped room or not. But methinks you do not know what "poor" means. Poor is not "seven people in one hotel room while I ponder my insurance." Poor means "I have three dollars to my name and my kids need to eat."
You are, Princess - for lack of a better word - a tool. An ignorant one at that.
posted by grey_flap at 2:52 AM on September 22, 2005
This posting has been removed by craigslist community.
And maybe if we're lucky it'll say right here "Nothing to see here, move along."
posted by fixedgear at 3:02 AM on September 22, 2005
And maybe if we're lucky it'll say right here "Nothing to see here, move along."
posted by fixedgear at 3:02 AM on September 22, 2005
when I think of that guy who couldn't leave quickly because of his overweight wife and no vehicle who watched his wife drift away from him after his arms lost all their strength trying to hold onto her during the flood...
god you're a shitheel, princess. If there's a hell, I sincerely hope you learn to repent this before you die.
posted by shmegegge at 3:11 AM on September 22, 2005
god you're a shitheel, princess. If there's a hell, I sincerely hope you learn to repent this before you die.
posted by shmegegge at 3:11 AM on September 22, 2005
God damn it, people! Let's not make her suicidal.
posted by rhizome23 at 3:18 AM on September 22, 2005
posted by rhizome23 at 3:18 AM on September 22, 2005
Ok. Sanity check, people. Look at her profile. 100 + bashing comments should not be decorum, despite her "violoation of Mefi tradition". Things have changed. Get used to it and don't ream every newbie to show how old school you are. You look like a dick reluctanct to accept reality at this point. Or worse, just social basher trying to exclude a differentiating viewpoint. This is $5 is action and you're just going to have to learn to live with it and be civil.
posted by rhizome23 at 3:25 AM on September 22, 2005
posted by rhizome23 at 3:25 AM on September 22, 2005
asok writes "Also, I think the formatting is ignored by the FPP form, which is why the screed appeared as a continuous flow."
Well that may be true, but with both live preview and a preview button, it's little excuse to drop a white noise bomb on the populace. New or old to MeFi, arranging text when others are going to be reading it is just basic manners.
posted by peacay at 3:25 AM on September 22, 2005
Well that may be true, but with both live preview and a preview button, it's little excuse to drop a white noise bomb on the populace. New or old to MeFi, arranging text when others are going to be reading it is just basic manners.
posted by peacay at 3:25 AM on September 22, 2005
Welcome to Fark with the occasional y2karl post, people. Less boobies, be warned.
posted by rhizome23 at 3:31 AM on September 22, 2005
posted by rhizome23 at 3:31 AM on September 22, 2005
Ok. Sanity check, people. Look at her profile. 100 + bashing comments should not be decorum, despite her "violoation of Mefi tradition". Things have changed. Get used to it and don't ream every newbie to show how old school you are. You look like a dick reluctanct to accept reality at this point. Or worse, just social basher trying to exclude a differentiating viewpoint. This is $5 is action and you're just going to have to learn to live with it and be civil.
Yes, you're right. Everyone is bashing this post solely because of the registration date of the poster. Not because it's ugly, a shitty post, batshit insane and totally fucking hilariously idiotic.
posted by cmonkey at 3:33 AM on September 22, 2005
Yes, you're right. Everyone is bashing this post solely because of the registration date of the poster. Not because it's ugly, a shitty post, batshit insane and totally fucking hilariously idiotic.
posted by cmonkey at 3:33 AM on September 22, 2005
rhizome23, the little I understood of what you have written leads me to believe that there is insufficient oxygen to sustain your lifeform up there on the soapbox.
posted by peacay at 3:34 AM on September 22, 2005
posted by peacay at 3:34 AM on September 22, 2005
PrincessLara, I am from the FL Gulf Coast as well. I went to college to escape the poverty that is so pervasive down there...and am working up north because there really aren't jobs in NW FL.
I also happen to know that if you are one of the real workers, you think long and hard about evacuating from a hurricane until it is right down on you, because you are afraid of losing your job.
Hurricanes are unpredictable. They "wobble", especially that in that stretch between PC and LA. If you evacuate, and the storm hits someplace up the coast, you are expected to be at work the next day.
Hell, my sister works at a hospital in P'cola and after IVAN a ton of people got fired for not being at work the next day. And that isn't even a tourist job....if you are really dirt poor (like I was)...you struggle with evacuating in the face of one of the last big money-making weekends of the summer. You always wonder if you can make it back in time so that you don't get fired.
So, you ain't poor. You are probably one of the damn managers that would yell at everyone telling them they have to be at work if the hurricane misses or they are fired.
You give people from my neck of the woods a bad name. Thank God you are the minority at home.
posted by gminks at 3:40 AM on September 22, 2005
I also happen to know that if you are one of the real workers, you think long and hard about evacuating from a hurricane until it is right down on you, because you are afraid of losing your job.
Hurricanes are unpredictable. They "wobble", especially that in that stretch between PC and LA. If you evacuate, and the storm hits someplace up the coast, you are expected to be at work the next day.
Hell, my sister works at a hospital in P'cola and after IVAN a ton of people got fired for not being at work the next day. And that isn't even a tourist job....if you are really dirt poor (like I was)...you struggle with evacuating in the face of one of the last big money-making weekends of the summer. You always wonder if you can make it back in time so that you don't get fired.
So, you ain't poor. You are probably one of the damn managers that would yell at everyone telling them they have to be at work if the hurricane misses or they are fired.
You give people from my neck of the woods a bad name. Thank God you are the minority at home.
posted by gminks at 3:40 AM on September 22, 2005
/puffs cig, downs heineken and says " Oh, Yeah?"
All I'm saying is get used to it. This will rapidly become the new norm around here. Lurking is no longer enfornced. You can buy the right to post now. This will become more and more common going forward. That's all I'm saying. Don't rip the guts out of the first lambs. There will be more.
The point I'm trying to make is that you need to get used to these shitty posts real quick, because there are quite many more in store for all of us.
Mefi: We're commercial now!
/i know i'm an asshole.
posted by rhizome23 at 3:41 AM on September 22, 2005
All I'm saying is get used to it. This will rapidly become the new norm around here. Lurking is no longer enfornced. You can buy the right to post now. This will become more and more common going forward. That's all I'm saying. Don't rip the guts out of the first lambs. There will be more.
The point I'm trying to make is that you need to get used to these shitty posts real quick, because there are quite many more in store for all of us.
Mefi: We're commercial now!
/i know i'm an asshole.
posted by rhizome23 at 3:41 AM on September 22, 2005
coriolisdave, I loved your post. Made the rest of the thread worthwhile.
posted by Malor at 3:44 AM on September 22, 2005
posted by Malor at 3:44 AM on September 22, 2005
enforced...i know, i know....i'm still downing the Heineken. Hell, I've reason to be a drunkard after the past four years.
posted by rhizome23 at 3:45 AM on September 22, 2005
posted by rhizome23 at 3:45 AM on September 22, 2005
If she reads what the Bible says about people who mock the poor she might change her opinion on things. I would sincerely hope so.
posted by konolia at 4:04 AM on September 22, 2005
posted by konolia at 4:04 AM on September 22, 2005
Ok...I'll have my mental breakdown with you guys. I do love you all that much. Don't you understand most Americans actually think this way? This shitty FPP is "consensus" reality. It scare's the hell out of me, but there it is. Transmitting from a Red State....
Some one send me an email when we figure out how to defeat the irrational, religious moral dictum of Calvinism and the glorification of wealth. Politics have made me mentally ill. Just to be shallow and trite, I'll quote Bill Hicks: "We're a virus with shoes."
Anyone want to buy some guns?
/Again my fucking point is that PL is your new homecoming queen. Here we are.
posted by rhizome23 at 4:13 AM on September 22, 2005
Some one send me an email when we figure out how to defeat the irrational, religious moral dictum of Calvinism and the glorification of wealth. Politics have made me mentally ill. Just to be shallow and trite, I'll quote Bill Hicks: "We're a virus with shoes."
Anyone want to buy some guns?
/Again my fucking point is that PL is your new homecoming queen. Here we are.
posted by rhizome23 at 4:13 AM on September 22, 2005
Excellent. All around, excellent. Best of the web. Personal emails are always best of the web.
posted by OmieWise at 4:15 AM on September 22, 2005
posted by OmieWise at 4:15 AM on September 22, 2005
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