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April 13, 2006 8:31 AM   Subscribe

It's Miller Time for SCIENCE: Survey Says: New Men are Evolving Adults, hate wine and shoes!
posted by Marnie (53 comments total)
 
First post, sorry if double. I did search.
posted by Marnie at 8:31 AM on April 13, 2006


It only feels like a double because of the Miller Pays to Tell Us What Confirms Miller's View of Status Quo angle.
posted by klangklangston at 8:37 AM on April 13, 2006


Miller Blue?

omg a study commisioned by a beer company says men prefer beer.

pretty small, age specfic group to start attributing statistics to men-in-general
posted by edgeways at 8:40 AM on April 13, 2006


Wow, this is so different from the last six bullshit trends listed in the first paragraph of the article.
posted by Artw at 8:41 AM on April 13, 2006


For 44 percent of men surveyed, a good beer is their drink of choice...

So they're not drinking Miller.
posted by fugitivefromchaingang at 8:43 AM on April 13, 2006


ya damn shoe wearing wine swillin' sissys.
posted by edgeways at 8:43 AM on April 13, 2006


Free beer is my drink of choice.
posted by Cyrano at 8:44 AM on April 13, 2006


Meh. Anyone notice that half of all advertising for the past couple of years was based on the fact that men were stupid, didn't know what they wanted, couldn't get it if they tried, and needed help doing almost everything in their lives?

Has that changed? Might have something to do with it.

"Oh, men can cook now! And they genuinely prefer certain types of beer! And they clean!"

Yeah, I'm pretty sure men have been doing this all along. Still, though, I get that scared look when I say I'm gonna cook dinner for somebody.
posted by jon_kill at 8:45 AM on April 13, 2006


Wow, a corporate funded "study" reports a bunch of positive stuff about the subjects and the corporation. Shocking!
posted by oddman at 8:45 AM on April 13, 2006


57 percent of men age 25-29 say that if a woman were to just pop in, they could whip up a full meal in a moment's notice with the items they have in the house.
92% acknowledged that they consider Tuna Helper and MGD to be a "full meal".
posted by Wolfdog at 8:48 AM on April 13, 2006


"Almost one-third (31 percent) of men who preferred wine to beer or liquor own 10 or more pairs of shoes."

Study confirms: wine gives you the gay.

WTF do you need 10 pair shoes for anyway?
posted by TheOnlyCoolTim at 8:49 AM on April 13, 2006


Will Ferrel likes beer and he died in a Paragliding accident.
posted by srboisvert at 8:53 AM on April 13, 2006


I have to count my shoes.

One pair are running shoes.

Two pair are hiking boots that I spent way too much money on.

Four pair of Fluvogs - the best shoes ever.

Hmmmm. Not sure if that says: I wouldn't drink Miller unless the other survivors on the raft were completely out of urine. And even then I might drink sea water first.
posted by tkchrist at 9:04 AM on April 13, 2006


WTF do you need 10 pair shoes for anyway?

A couple of pairs of soccer cleats, a couple of pairs of bike shoes, a couple of pairs of trainers for the gym, a pair of reef shoes for kayaking, neoprene booties for diving, a pair of trail runners for hiking, a couple of pairs of sandals (cheap flipflops for the gym shower, nice tevas for every day), one pair of dress shoes and one pair of casuals. Oh also, the three paris of safety boots (summer, winter and safety shoes). Also a pair of winter boots.

That's 17. Now beer me.
posted by bonehead at 9:12 AM on April 13, 2006


I like wine and beer. And hard liquor. One pair regular shoes, one pair dress shoes, one pair of sneakers, (one pair of flip flops which are now inexplicably lost as I got pissed the other night and arrived home without)
posted by poppo at 9:13 AM on April 13, 2006


I have not read the linked article, but I do note that it is hosted at prnewswired.

Which explains why I have not read the linked article and still feel entitled to post a comment here.
posted by adamrice at 9:18 AM on April 13, 2006


Hmmmm. Not sure if that says: I wouldn't drink Miller unless the other survivors on the raft were completely out of urine. And even then I might drink sea water first.
posted by tkchrist at 11:04 AM CST on April 13 [!]


I'm going to go ahead and call that an exaggeration.

Or else you are a die-hard Bud fan, in which case, you certainly can't claim the high ground.

57 percent of men age 25-29 say that if a woman were to just pop in, they could whip up a full meal in a moment's notice with the items they have in the house.

97 percent of men age 25-29 are also total and complete liars.
posted by Ynoxas at 9:30 AM on April 13, 2006


Do bike shoes count? What about LGF shoes?
posted by ParisParamus at 9:33 AM on April 13, 2006


17 pairs of shoes? DAMN! I have one pair of really nice dress shoes, one pair of beat to shit Birks, two pairs of sneakers (so I can wear the other if it gets wet) and... uh... I might have a pair of backup dress shoes somewhere... I can understand having one pair of boots (mine died and I'd like to get another, but never enough to remember to shop for 'em). And maybe having the brown/black dress shoe combo. But at most I come up with eight...

And for those ripping on miller, MGD's a pretty tasty beer when it's warm out. I think I like Budweiser more, but the High Life is the Champaign of Bottled Beers. (And it had the best commercials ever). Now that I can't get Canadian Black Label, I end up with Labatt most of the time, but will gladly shell for Bud or Miller when it's on special. They're solid brews. (And my respect for them grew after talking to a bunch of my serious homebrew friends who talked up the macros in terms of consistency and flavor applied to a giant scale). I drink my micros often, and love stouts, but those who'd diss Bud or Miller seem to be more concerned with their haircuts than their beers.
posted by klangklangston at 9:35 AM on April 13, 2006


I read recently that Bud is going after the new-wave of beer drinkers by creating a fake microbrew called Wild Hop Lager and are selling it to the sort of folks who would normally by local or organic brews.
posted by robocop is bleeding at 9:41 AM on April 13, 2006


Er, normally buy, that is.
posted by robocop is bleeding at 9:43 AM on April 13, 2006


It's so fucking cool to hate Miller.
I mean, come on, that's what the plebs drink.

For me? Only Eastern Brewside White Elk Triple-Fresh Country Raspberry Ale that I import from these two guys that I met while hiking/canoeing/hangliding in Oregon. They brew it with celery. Celery.
posted by Baby_Balrog at 9:46 AM on April 13, 2006


If I must choose a commercial lager, MGD it is. I approve of the places they advertise. Lager is my 2nd-to-last choice in beer (I hate wheat beer). Oh, maybe 3rd, I also hate stout (if this Guinness crap is a good example, anyway).

Wine? Occasionally I enjoy it, but I prefer beer, by far. Now I'm thirsty. Thanks.

Whip up something with stuff on hand? Like, a phone? (delivery or reservations!).

Of course, I myself cook. But I'm gay. :-P
posted by Goofyy at 10:00 AM on April 13, 2006


1% of men 25-29 prefer drinking beer out of their shoes.
posted by phirleh at 10:01 AM on April 13, 2006


Wild Hop? Sort of like that Planck Road bullshit they tried with Red Dog. Remember when that was an "indie" beer (along with Icehouse)?

I know that Lawson Creek is some sort of multinational scam beer that tries to look indie (and tastes absolutely ass).

Oh, and Guiness is a shitty beer. While it's got good texture, and the creaminess is nice, it has absolutely no flavor. My current favorite is Edmond Fitzgerald Stout (from Great Lakes, I think). That's a goddamned stout.
posted by klangklangston at 10:10 AM on April 13, 2006


Oh, maybe 3rd, I also hate stout (if this Guinness crap is a good example, anyway).

It's not. In my opinion and in the opinion of most of the beer snobs I beer-snob with.

Baby_Balrog, do you feel personally assaulted by us beer snobs in some way?
posted by gurple at 10:31 AM on April 13, 2006


57 percent of men age 25-29 say that if a woman were to just pop in, they could whip up a full meal in a moment's notice with the items they have in the house.

How much of that 57% considers a microwave burrito a full meal?
posted by jefbla at 10:38 AM on April 13, 2006


Gurple— Hanging out with home brewers really changed the way I think about beer snobbery. It's become incredibly easy to tell who's drinking tony beers because they like the image, and who actually knows their shit. Like, the outsized love for all sorts of beers that think hops are the only flavor, or who can't spot a bad batch (especially the love for the 500 series of Bells, including the mesquite flavored one. When some folks I knew claimed they liked it, I had to write 'em off).
posted by klangklangston at 10:52 AM on April 13, 2006


I don't think I know anybody who drinks good beer because they like the image. Maybe there are a lot of really obnoxious beer posers out there that I just haven't met.

It's quite possible; I live in Seattle, where good beer is ubiquitous, so the people I run into may not be representative of America as a whole. Seriously, even the diviest dive in Seattle (well, almost) will have at least one or two microbrews on tap. I think in an environment like that, people are more likely to develop tastes for different beers.
posted by gurple at 11:01 AM on April 13, 2006


Nah, gurp. can I call you gurp? I'm pretty much a beer-snob, too. There's no way to drink beer in Kalamazoo, Michigan and not be a beer snob. Micros are cheaper here than most brand-name stuff. I just don't like the attitude that some beer-snobs have about MGD and others...
If I took you fishing, and we were sitting out in the boat, and you looked at me and said, "Man. I'm thirsty. Fishin' here is thirsty business."
And I opened up the livewell and pulled out a Pabst and tossed it to you, what would you do?
Would you say, "Jeeeeesus, man. No way. This is piss," and toss it back?
No. It's. a. beer. You would drink it. And you would probably enjoy it, hell, you might even have two.
Granted, if you came by for a visit, and we were gonna go out drinking, I'd take you to any of the local breweries and we'd samply the local goods. But it really sticks in my craw when beer-drinkers come into a room and spout off about how they'd never drink a Miller, or enjoy it.

I mean, come on. What did you drink before you made $65k a year?

Klang - why are you writing off on the 500 series? I saw some stuff come out of there that I'd never tasted before.

Now...if someone told you they liked Oberon better than Winter White, you could write 'em off.
posted by Baby_Balrog at 11:02 AM on April 13, 2006


OK, I have 20 (or so, hard to tell amid the jumble of HUNDREDS of pairs of my wife's shoes) pairs of shoes, I drink 2 or 3 Newcastles every evening before settling down for a nice glass or two of red wine. Does that just mean I'm confused?
PS, the shoes are in my closet if that tells you anything.
PPS, Miller sucks
posted by johngumbo at 11:05 AM on April 13, 2006


Oh, and I do all the cooking in my household.
posted by johngumbo at 11:05 AM on April 13, 2006


And I opened up the livewell and pulled out a Pabst and tossed it to you, what would you do?
Would you say, "Jeeeeesus, man. No way. This is piss," and toss it back?


No way. That'd be rude. But I would certainly open up my cooler and offer you a nice Weihenstephaner or Paulaner or similar, or a light-bodied IPA, which are much more my speed on a hot day.

Then I'd be really glad I had a whole lot of good beer along, because I don't enjoy fishing all that much sober.
posted by gurple at 11:16 AM on April 13, 2006


Here's a fun fact: I only have to turn my head to survey my husband's number of shoes and choice of beers. He has 5 pairs of shoes in the office (I shudder to think how many are on the porch, or next to the bed, or actually inside one of his two closets.) Also there is a cardboard container for Turbo Dog Beer stuffed into the trash can.

Another fun fact: The first weekend I spent with him I arrived at 10:00 am (having flown the red-eye from California) and at 4:00 p.m. I quietly begged for some food. We foraged and found some crackers and peanut butter. In some cultures I guess that could be defined as "whipping up a full meal."
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 11:18 AM on April 13, 2006


I remember when a beer-snob-in-training was tasting a Mystery Beer at an Iron Chef cook-off a friend ran. "It has a lot of Belgic traits," he said, swirling the Olde English around in its crystal goblet, "I really like it."

I drink PBR pretty frequently, except now that may be some sort of hipster beer snobbery. I've become pretty non-plussed by anything "Imperial" because that seems to be the modern brewer's version of X-TREEM SHARK SURFING or something. It's all about volume nowadays, not so much about balance.

Of course, this coming from a guy whose favorite beer is Smutty IPA, take that all with a grain of salt.
posted by robocop is bleeding at 11:23 AM on April 13, 2006


"Klang - why are you writing off on the 500 series? I saw some stuff come out of there that I'd never tasted before."

The 7500 was this sickly sweet Mesquite bullshit, better for marinade than drinking. And Oberon's overrated. Two-Hearted, however, is a damn fine beer (as is their Amber, their Imperial, their Best Brown... I'm not a huge Winter White fan, but that's just because it's a seasonal mismatch for me— during the winter, I stick almost exclusively to the dark beers and just have no interest in the weis).

Y'all need to come up here for the Michigan Beer Fest in June (July?). I go almost every year, and there are great beers in quantity. The only problem I ever have is that it's always, like, 90 degrees out (which makes it hard to enjoy stouts and Belgians), and they rarely have water. So you think you're hydrated until your head starts throbbing.

I guess, as it comes down to taste, I'm an ale fan first, with leanings toward stouts and IPAs (though American Pales have taken off on my palate recently). I don't like how sweet a lot of German Pilners are, and I have that trouble with wheat beers too. And I don't like places like Dark Horse that overhop their IPAs in some attempt at cred.
posted by klangklangston at 11:28 AM on April 13, 2006


klang - it's july 22.

i shall attend.
posted by Baby_Balrog at 11:42 AM on April 13, 2006


quality over quanity.
posted by edgeways at 11:47 AM on April 13, 2006


Real men drink chicken broth and rootbeer schnapps and wear shoes made out of freshly severed and hollowed out bear feet.
posted by Divine_Wino at 12:17 PM on April 13, 2006


Real men drink chicken broth and rootbeer schnapps and wear shoes made out of freshly severed and hollowed out bear feet.

It's true.
posted by fusinski at 12:33 PM on April 13, 2006


Of commercial American beers, MGD is was the most palatable when I was in college. Ah, the 18-pack of cans.

/built a WALL with MGD cans in my dorm room freshman year...
posted by PurplePorpoise at 12:36 PM on April 13, 2006


... MGD is was the most palatable when I was in college...

I don't think we every worried about taste in college, quantity was more important then quality. Whatever you could get for $3 a sixpack of 16 oz. cans was good enough. Usually it was Busch.
posted by octothorpe at 12:53 PM on April 13, 2006


Ugh.. MGD....
I suppose its atleast drinkable. I could never and will never again drink BUD or any of its cousin beers.

I will be the first to admit, I've drank some mass produced swill when I was in college but it was at least locally produced. Living in PA, we have the benefit of inexpensive mass producted beer like Rolling Rock and Yuengling.
posted by Decypher at 12:57 PM on April 13, 2006


I drink warm Guinness like I'm dying of thirst and drank 30-packs of Busch cans in college. But there is nothing--nothing--like an ice cold bottle of Miller High Life on a scorching summer day. Champagne of beers, indeed.
posted by quite unimportant at 1:02 PM on April 13, 2006


What the fuck? Where's jonmc?
posted by loquacious at 1:05 PM on April 13, 2006


Hot day? PBR and lemonade. Motherfuckin Shandy-time!
posted by robocop is bleeding at 1:09 PM on April 13, 2006


Made on Honor, Sold on Merit
posted by rollbiz at 1:42 PM on April 13, 2006


When is a sample size of 800 men an appropriate sample size, considering the tens of millions of men in this country?

Surveys mean absolute shit, unless they're sampling tens of thousands of people, imo~
posted by dopamine at 1:43 PM on April 13, 2006


All beer is piss in the end.
posted by srboisvert at 1:55 PM on April 13, 2006


quite unimportant writes "But there is nothing--nothing--like an ice cold bottle of Miller High Life on a scorching summer day. Champagne of beers, indeed."

Indeed.
posted by mr_roboto at 3:08 PM on April 13, 2006


there is nothing--nothing--like an ice cold bottle of Miller High Life

Sure there is. It's called iced tea.

WTF do you need 10 pair shoes for anyway?

I probably have about 12 pair, though I haven't bought any in over a year, and haven't bought new shoes in over two:

Soccer cleats, Black dress shoes, Brown dress shoes, Chuck Taylors (last new shoes), Black casual shoes, Running shoes (way old), Bowling shoes (even older), Hiking boots, House slippers? (not really shoes, I guess), Old Rod Lavers from '60s (formerly Dad's.)

Gah. Only 10. That's probably why I like beer and wine equally.

I drink lots of beer, but I love wine. If forced to choose one over the other, I'd probably flip a coin, but end up picking wine because my girlfriend doesn't drink beer.

55 percent of those in the 25-29 age set say they try to keep their living space as neat as possible as often as they can.

"as neat as possible as often as they can"? Talk about vague ... I would agree with that statement, and my apartment is a pit right now. I've just been working a lot. ;)
posted by mrgrimm at 3:30 PM on April 13, 2006


Dopamine-- Yeah, actually, a sample size of 800 probably has a +/- of about 4%. You only need 1000 to accurately sample the whole country.

Warm Guinness makes it OK, but still not great. It's like Kraft Mac&Cheese.

I'd never go near Natty or Busch Lite, but we also did the wall of beer-- with High Life. My ultra all-time favorite cheapo beer was the Black Label from Canada in longnecks. It went for $14 for a case of 24 and tasted absolutely fantastic. You can get it in cans, but it's not nearly as good. For some reason they stopped selling it here, which still makes me sad. We thought for a while that it was just a local thing, as we'd see it every now and then, but it trickled out. Our house was buying about 10 cases a week when they stopped (and they had these great fold-over cases too, with really solid cardboard!) and we thought that it was just our shitty party store, but I haven't seen it since... I weep for lost beer...

(Balrog-- Get ahold of me when you come up. We'll get you right knackered at the beer fest!)
posted by klangklangston at 3:39 PM on April 13, 2006


srboisvert: "All beer is piss in the end."

Yes, but I like to avoid drinking the beers that taste like piss in the beginning.
posted by JMOZ at 8:44 AM on April 14, 2006


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