What do you think you're looking at, sugar tits?
July 29, 2006 6:55 PM Subscribe
"F*****g Jews... The Jews are responsible for all the wars in the world." The ugly truth about Mel Gibson's drunk-driving arrest oozes out, with exquisite timing. (Enter his name on linked form.) Apple/tree, etc. (via tmz)
What the fuck news source is TMZ? Honestly. :(
posted by boo_radley at 7:04 PM on July 29, 2006
posted by boo_radley at 7:04 PM on July 29, 2006
mischief, Braveheart was so much worse than a "minor indiscretion".
posted by nthdegx at 7:06 PM on July 29, 2006
posted by nthdegx at 7:06 PM on July 29, 2006
I'm gettin' too old for this shit.
posted by Divine_Wino at 7:10 PM on July 29, 2006
posted by Divine_Wino at 7:10 PM on July 29, 2006
Don't be hating on Braveheart dammit.
posted by UseyurBrain at 7:10 PM on July 29, 2006
posted by UseyurBrain at 7:10 PM on July 29, 2006
Braveheart? I believe mischief had to be referring to the violent pornography that was The Passion of the Christ.
posted by graventy at 7:11 PM on July 29, 2006
posted by graventy at 7:11 PM on July 29, 2006
I like the Mansonesque picture of him they've got up for the article.
It's interesting to me that he was that (allegedly) out of control at only 0.12 BAC. In my experience with out-of-control drunkenness, I've usually seen a much higher corresponding BAC than that for similarly belligerent behavior. I suppose it's different for everyone.
posted by Brak at 7:14 PM on July 29, 2006
It's interesting to me that he was that (allegedly) out of control at only 0.12 BAC. In my experience with out-of-control drunkenness, I've usually seen a much higher corresponding BAC than that for similarly belligerent behavior. I suppose it's different for everyone.
posted by Brak at 7:14 PM on July 29, 2006
I'm gonna claim the name sugar_tits for my sockpuppet.
'Cause I wanna aspire to the same level of suavitude in my on-line interactions.
posted by jason's_planet at 7:14 PM on July 29, 2006
boo_radley: Source is Harvey Levin at TMZ, a blowhard but legit as far as entertainment news hacks go. (He's got a JD, so he prolly won't make shit up about a bazillionaire, no matter how insane.) Also, the cop's pdf arrest report looks as good as anything you'd see on TSG.
TedW: Forgot to check MeTa, my bad.
posted by turducken at 7:14 PM on July 29, 2006
TedW: Forgot to check MeTa, my bad.
posted by turducken at 7:14 PM on July 29, 2006
So... lemme get this straight. Drunk people say or do outrageous things? Even drunk celebrities?
Ugly stuff, tho'.
posted by namespan at 7:20 PM on July 29, 2006
Ugly stuff, tho'.
posted by namespan at 7:20 PM on July 29, 2006
Hmm. Admittedly I don't know anything about TMZ, but I'm habitually suspicious of such celebrity gossip. And it's true that a lot of people had (have) an axe to grind with Mr Gibson after the Passion of the Christ, especially with the (alleged) anti-Semitism of said film.
posted by notswedish at 7:21 PM on July 29, 2006
posted by notswedish at 7:21 PM on July 29, 2006
Turducken-no allegations of bad intented, I just thought it unusual that it took so long to make it to the blue.
posted by TedW at 7:22 PM on July 29, 2006 [1 favorite]
posted by TedW at 7:22 PM on July 29, 2006 [1 favorite]
Harvey Levin, formerly of Celebrity Justice? Is TMZ connected in some way?
posted by evilcolonel at 7:26 PM on July 29, 2006
posted by evilcolonel at 7:26 PM on July 29, 2006
On the plus side, I guess we know how the rest of KJC's evening shook out after Matt banned him.
posted by Divine_Wino at 7:27 PM on July 29, 2006 [2 favorites]
posted by Divine_Wino at 7:27 PM on July 29, 2006 [2 favorites]
Well-composed apology from Mel/Mel's people - no shirking, no passive voice.
posted by klarck at 7:33 PM on July 29, 2006
posted by klarck at 7:33 PM on July 29, 2006
to the doubters...
from the A.P.
The actor and "The Passion of the Christ" director also apologized for what he said were "despicable" statements he made to the deputies who arrested him early Friday on Pacific Coast Highway in Malibu.
although lacking in specifics, this seems to implicitly confirm the allegations in the TMZ article.
posted by pruner at 7:33 PM on July 29, 2006
from the A.P.
The actor and "The Passion of the Christ" director also apologized for what he said were "despicable" statements he made to the deputies who arrested him early Friday on Pacific Coast Highway in Malibu.
although lacking in specifics, this seems to implicitly confirm the allegations in the TMZ article.
posted by pruner at 7:33 PM on July 29, 2006
Well-composed apology from Mel/Mel's people - no shirking, no passive voice.
I will agree with that. Basically says, "Yep, I was an asshole. It's all on me, and I know it, and I'm sorry." Doesn't make his actions okay, but at least he's not being wishy-washy (or long-coming) in owning up to them.
posted by Brak at 7:36 PM on July 29, 2006
I will agree with that. Basically says, "Yep, I was an asshole. It's all on me, and I know it, and I'm sorry." Doesn't make his actions okay, but at least he's not being wishy-washy (or long-coming) in owning up to them.
posted by Brak at 7:36 PM on July 29, 2006
I was upset with his behavior until I watched this documentary earlier. Apparently some Jewish gangs burned his partner alive and ran his family down in the street. That's why he is so crazy now. Poor guy.
posted by weretable and the undead chairs at 7:36 PM on July 29, 2006 [1 favorite]
posted by weretable and the undead chairs at 7:36 PM on July 29, 2006 [1 favorite]
klarck: You're right about the apology, tho what struck me was this line:
"I... said things that I do not believe to be true."
For me, .12 BAC is like truth serum.
posted by turducken at 7:38 PM on July 29, 2006
"I... said things that I do not believe to be true."
For me, .12 BAC is like truth serum.
posted by turducken at 7:38 PM on July 29, 2006
weretable and the undead chairs - WTF are you talking about?
posted by pruner at 7:40 PM on July 29, 2006 [1 favorite]
posted by pruner at 7:40 PM on July 29, 2006 [1 favorite]
Pruner have you not seen Mad Max: Beyond the Jewish Complicity in Every Single Fucking Shitty Thing That Has Ever Happened?
posted by Divine_Wino at 7:44 PM on July 29, 2006 [1 favorite]
posted by Divine_Wino at 7:44 PM on July 29, 2006 [1 favorite]
You know the cliche about drunks saying what they really feel and believe in? But I care little about this guy than the fact that the cops covered up the initial report about his arrest out of concern for ...what?
posted by Postroad at 7:44 PM on July 29, 2006
posted by Postroad at 7:44 PM on July 29, 2006
What turducken said. Alcohol impairs one's inner filter. If sober, he'd never say those things out loud. After a few drinks, he's blaming the Jews for everything and calling cops sugar tits. Nice going, Mel.
posted by birdherder at 7:50 PM on July 29, 2006
posted by birdherder at 7:50 PM on July 29, 2006
Divine Who – I've actually never seen Mad Max...
I take it weretable was being snarky (like you), and his comment was a reference to the plot, correct?
posted by pruner at 7:50 PM on July 29, 2006
I take it weretable was being snarky (like you), and his comment was a reference to the plot, correct?
posted by pruner at 7:50 PM on July 29, 2006
Out of concern that he's Mel Gibson, I would imagine.
posted by bob sarabia at 7:53 PM on July 29, 2006
posted by bob sarabia at 7:53 PM on July 29, 2006
but at least he's not being wishy-washy (or long-coming) in owning up to them.
Yeah and no... he went as far as he had to after doing something this offensive. But notice two things: 1) "the disease of alcoholism." Translation: it wasn't me talking, it's this disease I apparently have. 2) "I have already taken steps to ensure my return to health." Translation: it's over, nothing to see here. So yeah, contrite as hell, but also letting himself off the hook with both hands.
posted by George_Spiggott at 7:54 PM on July 29, 2006
Yeah and no... he went as far as he had to after doing something this offensive. But notice two things: 1) "the disease of alcoholism." Translation: it wasn't me talking, it's this disease I apparently have. 2) "I have already taken steps to ensure my return to health." Translation: it's over, nothing to see here. So yeah, contrite as hell, but also letting himself off the hook with both hands.
posted by George_Spiggott at 7:54 PM on July 29, 2006
I've said some things while drunk that I wouldn't say or believe while sober. Nothing about jews, mind you. Stuff like, "I'd like to buy a Subaru.".
posted by stavrogin at 7:54 PM on July 29, 2006 [7 favorites]
posted by stavrogin at 7:54 PM on July 29, 2006 [7 favorites]
I saw some blog asking why celeberties don't just hire drivers when they're drunk. I mean obviously they're rich enough to do it.
posted by delmoi at 7:57 PM on July 29, 2006
posted by delmoi at 7:57 PM on July 29, 2006
Sometimes when I'm drunk I hate myself, and I'm Jewish, so I think I can feel where Mel is coming from here.
posted by ludwig_van at 8:01 PM on July 29, 2006 [1 favorite]
posted by ludwig_van at 8:01 PM on July 29, 2006 [1 favorite]
Stuff like, "I'd like to buy a Subaru.".
When I get drunk I call 'em Jewbarus.
posted by PinkStainlessTail at 8:02 PM on July 29, 2006 [12 favorites]
When I get drunk I call 'em Jewbarus.
posted by PinkStainlessTail at 8:02 PM on July 29, 2006 [12 favorites]
"As Gibson was completing the film, some historians, theologians, and clergymen accused him of emphasizing the discredited charge that it was the ancient Jews who were primarily responsible for killing Jesus, a claim that has served as the traditional justification for the persecution of the Jews in Europe for nearly two millennia. The critics turn out to have been right. Gibson is guilty of some serious mischief in his handling of these issues." From here.
Mel The Anti-Semite should choke on the $370,000,000 he took from the Christian movie-going public.
Please, stop giving this Anti-Semite your money.
posted by Fuzzy Monster at 8:02 PM on July 29, 2006
Mel The Anti-Semite should choke on the $370,000,000 he took from the Christian movie-going public.
Please, stop giving this Anti-Semite your money.
posted by Fuzzy Monster at 8:02 PM on July 29, 2006
Are you drunk?
Ok, how about "Spiceworld is actually very funny!".
posted by stavrogin at 8:02 PM on July 29, 2006
Ok, how about "Spiceworld is actually very funny!".
posted by stavrogin at 8:02 PM on July 29, 2006
I watched an interview with Harvey Levin (yes, an attorney and producer of Celebrity Justice and commentator on The People's Court) last night. He is the managing editor of TMZ.com (stands for "Thirty Mile Zone" = L.A. County).
AOL and Telepictures launched the website in December 2005.
Each evening TMZ.com sends out teams of photographers and videographers around L.A., seeking to compete with the 'paparazzi.' Often times, by posting photographs, videos and articles within an hour of capture they have set the publicists of Hollywood "on edge," since they can't influence or filter what is released about their clients.
posted by ericb at 8:03 PM on July 29, 2006
AOL and Telepictures launched the website in December 2005.
Each evening TMZ.com sends out teams of photographers and videographers around L.A., seeking to compete with the 'paparazzi.' Often times, by posting photographs, videos and articles within an hour of capture they have set the publicists of Hollywood "on edge," since they can't influence or filter what is released about their clients.
posted by ericb at 8:03 PM on July 29, 2006
And celebrities themselves are paying attention to TMZ.com.
Paris to TMZ Users -- You've Hurt Me Bad
Paris to TMZ Users -- You've Hurt Me Bad
Paris Hilton says she cries sometimes after reading the cruel comments about her posted on TMZ.posted by ericb at 8:09 PM on July 29, 2006
In an exclusive interview Wednesday, after finishing a meeting with her publicist Elliott Mintz, Hilton agreed to talk to TMZ's Harvey Levin about thousands of messages TMZ users have posted, many of which are, as Hilton says, "mean and sadistic."
Levin asked Hilton about such comments as, "Paris is just an overused human condom," "Paris is like a fart in a mitten. You know it's there, you can't stand it, but you can't get rid of it," and "Would you please drop over dead or commit suicide you damn slut."
Hilton said "I'm far less promiscuous than any of my friends." As for the infamous sex tape with ex-lover Rick Solomon, Hilton said "I'm judged because of something that an ex-boyfriend did to me. I'm not a slut at all."
Hilton says that many of the TMZ comments are "very hurtful" to her and that some make her cry. She says "They think I don't have any feelings."
ericb - you left out one important fact about Harvey Levin...
he was one of the executive producers of The Care Bears Movie II: A New Generation
posted by pruner at 8:10 PM on July 29, 2006
he was one of the executive producers of The Care Bears Movie II: A New Generation
posted by pruner at 8:10 PM on July 29, 2006
Are you drunk?
stavrogin, I assume you're talking to PinkStainlessTail and not me... right?
(Just for the record, I am not drunk. Anyone else sober? Show of hands!)
posted by Fuzzy Monster at 8:10 PM on July 29, 2006
stavrogin, I assume you're talking to PinkStainlessTail and not me... right?
(Just for the record, I am not drunk. Anyone else sober? Show of hands!)
posted by Fuzzy Monster at 8:10 PM on July 29, 2006
Paris -- and Mel -- just wait until you hear what MeFites have to say about you!
posted by ericb at 8:10 PM on July 29, 2006
posted by ericb at 8:10 PM on July 29, 2006
I was indeed being snarky Pruner, as is my avowed JHVH given right as a free man, not having occasion to see where the arrest of a drunken bigoted nutter of a hack actor for drunken driving called for any overt nod to gravitas on my part, although I would like the record to reflect that I have a personal fondness for the Mad Max cycle and even the first Lethal Weapon.
posted by Divine_Wino at 8:12 PM on July 29, 2006
posted by Divine_Wino at 8:12 PM on July 29, 2006
Dearst Fuzzy,
Personally, I have made my usual strong effort to avoid John Barleycorn but several gentlemen of the semitic persuasion burst in and caught me unawares at my bible study (New Testament, King James, never fear) and forced me at the point of a rather dry looking slice of brisket to take several ice cold swallows of mid-range vodka tempered with fresh lemon juice, I fear that I shall never fully recover.
posted by Divine_Wino at 8:16 PM on July 29, 2006
Personally, I have made my usual strong effort to avoid John Barleycorn but several gentlemen of the semitic persuasion burst in and caught me unawares at my bible study (New Testament, King James, never fear) and forced me at the point of a rather dry looking slice of brisket to take several ice cold swallows of mid-range vodka tempered with fresh lemon juice, I fear that I shall never fully recover.
posted by Divine_Wino at 8:16 PM on July 29, 2006
Let me know when Mel apologizes for being a homophobe too.
posted by bim at 8:16 PM on July 29, 2006 [2 favorites]
posted by bim at 8:16 PM on July 29, 2006 [2 favorites]
I fear that I shall never fully recover.
they let you off easy ... when they're really serious, they make you drink mad dog 20/20
today, the rastafarians got here first, so i'm drinking black stripe
posted by pyramid termite at 8:20 PM on July 29, 2006
they let you off easy ... when they're really serious, they make you drink mad dog 20/20
today, the rastafarians got here first, so i'm drinking black stripe
posted by pyramid termite at 8:20 PM on July 29, 2006
Ah, poor old Mel. He said "Jews" when he meant to say "Brits". Drunkenness takes some people that way - they forget who they hate.
posted by Decani at 8:25 PM on July 29, 2006
posted by Decani at 8:25 PM on July 29, 2006
or red stripe ... or is it absynthe that's been cleverly disguised as beer? ... my god, i'm not even finished with the first one and i'm already seeing pink elephants ... small pink elephants on motorcycles with tina turner singing "we don't need another hero"
oh ... never mind ... it's just the midgets on the lawn having a late night barbeque
where the hell did they find an armadillo in michigan?
posted by pyramid termite at 8:25 PM on July 29, 2006 [1 favorite]
oh ... never mind ... it's just the midgets on the lawn having a late night barbeque
where the hell did they find an armadillo in michigan?
posted by pyramid termite at 8:25 PM on July 29, 2006 [1 favorite]
Not to stick up for Mel too much, but Elvis Costello once referred to Ray Charles as a "blind, ignorant nigger," while drunk. And Costello clearly didn't mean it. The circumstances were entirely different, except for the fact that both of the offensive remarks were made by drunk people.
In Costello's case, he was in an argument in a hotel bar in Ohio. Costello was baited into it by people he was conversing with, and had done anti-racism concerts, etc., both before and after the comment.
While alcohol removes one's inner filter, that doesn't necessarily mean that what's being filtered out is something one really believes. However, "sugar tits" is too priceless to give up any time soon.
Put me in the "drunk people say outrageous things sometimes? You don't say." category.
posted by sparkletone at 8:27 PM on July 29, 2006 [1 favorite]
In Costello's case, he was in an argument in a hotel bar in Ohio. Costello was baited into it by people he was conversing with, and had done anti-racism concerts, etc., both before and after the comment.
While alcohol removes one's inner filter, that doesn't necessarily mean that what's being filtered out is something one really believes. However, "sugar tits" is too priceless to give up any time soon.
Put me in the "drunk people say outrageous things sometimes? You don't say." category.
posted by sparkletone at 8:27 PM on July 29, 2006 [1 favorite]
pruner: Alas, our Harvey is not a Care Bear backer. IMDB gets names mixed up all the time, as a certain hairdresser can attest.
posted by turducken at 8:39 PM on July 29, 2006
posted by turducken at 8:39 PM on July 29, 2006
I can't get into the Mad Max movies much, although I used to like them more than I do now. I didn't see any of them until I was old enough that they seemed dated, that is likely part of the problem.
But Lethal Weapon is one of the few movies that I watch anytime I catch it on cable. It's just a genuinely good action flick. It and the first Die Hard. Never get tired of either of them.
I'll even forgive Lethal Weapon for spawning a string of really awful buddy cop flicks trying to copy the formula and two really really bad sequels. I will let the first sequel squeak by. It is not as good as the original but I think a lot of the problem was that the bad guys were not that interesting. Gary Busey was great, but the South African guys in part two were just generic villians.
And the last two were just awful. Especially part 4. Hell, it is even worse than Beverly Hills Cop 3.
Gary Busey manages to always seem completely insane both on and offscreen.
I'll never forget the night I was flipping channels and as I was going past one of the religious networks I thought I saw Busey. So I flipped back fully expecting to be wrong. Instead it really was Busey, talking about Jesus in this hyper-excited manner that made the whole thing really surreal. It was like being preached to by someone really hopped up on meth.
posted by weretable and the undead chairs at 8:46 PM on July 29, 2006
But Lethal Weapon is one of the few movies that I watch anytime I catch it on cable. It's just a genuinely good action flick. It and the first Die Hard. Never get tired of either of them.
I'll even forgive Lethal Weapon for spawning a string of really awful buddy cop flicks trying to copy the formula and two really really bad sequels. I will let the first sequel squeak by. It is not as good as the original but I think a lot of the problem was that the bad guys were not that interesting. Gary Busey was great, but the South African guys in part two were just generic villians.
And the last two were just awful. Especially part 4. Hell, it is even worse than Beverly Hills Cop 3.
Gary Busey manages to always seem completely insane both on and offscreen.
I'll never forget the night I was flipping channels and as I was going past one of the religious networks I thought I saw Busey. So I flipped back fully expecting to be wrong. Instead it really was Busey, talking about Jesus in this hyper-excited manner that made the whole thing really surreal. It was like being preached to by someone really hopped up on meth.
posted by weretable and the undead chairs at 8:46 PM on July 29, 2006
actually turducken, I got that from Harvey's wikipedia page linked to by ericb.
if untrue, this makes the John Siegenthaler/JFK assasination hoax look like an episode of My Litte Pony by comparison.
posted by pruner at 8:47 PM on July 29, 2006
if untrue, this makes the John Siegenthaler/JFK assasination hoax look like an episode of My Litte Pony by comparison.
posted by pruner at 8:47 PM on July 29, 2006
sparkletone: Mel wasn't in an argument at a bar. He was pulled over for speeding by a Christian cop, who I'm pretty sure didn't bring up the Worldwide Jewish Conspiracy during the sobriety test. I don't think Mel meant for the comments to make the papers -- which is why I find it interesting. When we're truly scared and angry (and drunk), we go to our most base instincts. Ergo, "It's the Jews' fault I got pulled over on PCH and my career is fucked." When he thinks about it later, of course he doesn't mean it. At least not, you know, literally.
Which is why there's a kernel of truth in Elvis's comment about Ray Charles, too. It's not racism -- it's jealousy.
Just sayin'.
posted by turducken at 9:34 PM on July 29, 2006
Which is why there's a kernel of truth in Elvis's comment about Ray Charles, too. It's not racism -- it's jealousy.
Just sayin'.
posted by turducken at 9:34 PM on July 29, 2006
He meant every word. C'mon, if he beat up his wife and said, "I was drunk, I didn't mean it!", would we have an ounce of patience for that excuse? If you're drunk and you beat your wife, you're a drunken wife-beater. If you're drunk and you hate on Jews, you're a drunken antisemite.
You fuck one sheep ...
posted by Astro Zombie at 11:19 PM on July 29, 2006
You fuck one sheep ...
posted by Astro Zombie at 11:19 PM on July 29, 2006
Ergo, "It's the Jews' fault I got pulled over on PCH and my career is fucked."
If Mel can think that literal thought, drunk or sober, and not immediately double over in laughter (thus swerving his car off the PCH cliffs of doom to die in a fiery blaze...err, wait, I'm thinking too far north I guess), well, Mel's brain and mine aren't made of the same kinds of thoughts. 'Cuz I can't do it.
posted by Brak at 11:27 PM on July 29, 2006
If Mel can think that literal thought, drunk or sober, and not immediately double over in laughter (thus swerving his car off the PCH cliffs of doom to die in a fiery blaze...err, wait, I'm thinking too far north I guess), well, Mel's brain and mine aren't made of the same kinds of thoughts. 'Cuz I can't do it.
posted by Brak at 11:27 PM on July 29, 2006
...after finishing a meeting with her publicist Elliott Mintz, Hilton agreed to talk to TMZ's Harvey Levin...
Now that's disillusioning. You may remember Elliot Mintz as John and Yoko's publicist when John Lennon was murdered. I remember him before that as the host of a "youth-oriented" talk radio show in L.A. that I called into when I was a "youth" in L.A. in the '70s. And now he's working for Paris Hitler. I'm shattered.
posted by wendell at 11:35 PM on July 29, 2006
Now that's disillusioning. You may remember Elliot Mintz as John and Yoko's publicist when John Lennon was murdered. I remember him before that as the host of a "youth-oriented" talk radio show in L.A. that I called into when I was a "youth" in L.A. in the '70s. And now he's working for Paris Hitler. I'm shattered.
posted by wendell at 11:35 PM on July 29, 2006
posted by emelenjr at 11:36 PM on July 29, 2006
I find this deeply unsurprising, myself. I'm surprised no one has mentioned that Mel Gibson's father is an open Holocaust denier.
Mel, for his part, hasn't exactly gone to great lengths to distance himself from his father's opinions on the subject. I'm sure it's the case that he wouldn't have said these things while sober, but I seriously doubt that what he said wasn't a reflection of what he actually believes.
posted by a louis wain cat at 12:07 AM on July 30, 2006
Mel, for his part, hasn't exactly gone to great lengths to distance himself from his father's opinions on the subject. I'm sure it's the case that he wouldn't have said these things while sober, but I seriously doubt that what he said wasn't a reflection of what he actually believes.
posted by a louis wain cat at 12:07 AM on July 30, 2006
... avoid John Barleycorn ...
Give praise my bretheren
for what you are about to receive
old John Barleycorn, nicotine
and the temptations of the rock 'n' roll chord E.
posted by bwg at 12:17 AM on July 30, 2006
Give praise my bretheren
for what you are about to receive
old John Barleycorn, nicotine
and the temptations of the rock 'n' roll chord E.
posted by bwg at 12:17 AM on July 30, 2006
Fart in a mitten: You know it's there, you can't stand it, but you can't get rid or it.
This comment just changed my whole life's philosophy.
posted by Balisong at 12:27 AM on July 30, 2006
This comment just changed my whole life's philosophy.
posted by Balisong at 12:27 AM on July 30, 2006
turducken writes "Source is Harvey Levin at TMZ"
And what kind of name is "Harvey Levin"? Aha!
And I hear Harvey Levin controls Hollywood -- with a ballpoint pen, Sugar Tits!
posted by orthogonality at 12:28 AM on July 30, 2006
And what kind of name is "Harvey Levin"? Aha!
And I hear Harvey Levin controls Hollywood -- with a ballpoint pen, Sugar Tits!
posted by orthogonality at 12:28 AM on July 30, 2006
I heard Mel Gibson is very upset with the negative way in which the article portrays him, and he blamed the Jews for controlling the media.
Ah, excellent, then our work here is done!
posted by astruc at 1:06 AM on July 30, 2006
Ah, excellent, then our work here is done!
posted by astruc at 1:06 AM on July 30, 2006
Elvis Costello's remarks about Ray Charles seriously hurt his US popularity. Costello had a number of top 10 hits in the UK, but at least partly because of the ensuing US airplay boycott, he didn't even crack the U.S. Top 40 until much later, and then only barely.
Did he mean it? Depends on what you mean by "mean". He was certainly trying to be mean and piss a bunch of people off, and in his drunken state, that seemed like an acceptable way to do it. At any rate, he paid a pretty steep price, given that he was in the U.S. in the first place trying to bolster his popularity, and achieved the exact opposite. Between that and the profuse apologies since then, there's not much sport in beating him up about it now.
It'll be interesting to see what happens with Gibson, assuming the allegations are true. Given that his career is probably pretty much already behind him anyway, it's not as though he's putting much in jeopardy, though it may put a dent in the prolific "Bird on a Wire" DVD sales.
posted by robla at 1:15 AM on July 30, 2006
Did he mean it? Depends on what you mean by "mean". He was certainly trying to be mean and piss a bunch of people off, and in his drunken state, that seemed like an acceptable way to do it. At any rate, he paid a pretty steep price, given that he was in the U.S. in the first place trying to bolster his popularity, and achieved the exact opposite. Between that and the profuse apologies since then, there's not much sport in beating him up about it now.
It'll be interesting to see what happens with Gibson, assuming the allegations are true. Given that his career is probably pretty much already behind him anyway, it's not as though he's putting much in jeopardy, though it may put a dent in the prolific "Bird on a Wire" DVD sales.
posted by robla at 1:15 AM on July 30, 2006
I admired The Passion because it protrayed the suffering of Christ in a way I had never seen before. I was troubled by the acussations of Gibson's anti-semtism but ignored them. But now, whoa, this guy is way off base. What's that Latin saying, in vino veritas? which means you speak what's on your mind when pissed. I am glad that I don't inhabit his mind. I hope he gets all the negative publicity he deserves.
posted by vac2003 at 1:18 AM on July 30, 2006
posted by vac2003 at 1:18 AM on July 30, 2006
"Lechery, sir, it provokes, and unprovokes; it provokes the desire, but it takes away the performance: therefore, much drink may be said to be an equivocator with lechery: it makes him, and it mars him; it sets him on, and it takes him off; it persuades him, and disheartens him; makes him stand to, and not stand to; in conclusion, equivocates him in a sleep, and, giving him the lie, leaves him."
posted by nthdegx at 1:52 AM on July 30, 2006
posted by nthdegx at 1:52 AM on July 30, 2006
vac2003 writes "I hope he gets all the negative publicity he deserves."
There is no such thig as negative publicity
posted by elpapacito at 1:58 AM on July 30, 2006
There is no such thig as negative publicity
posted by elpapacito at 1:58 AM on July 30, 2006
Ops I forgot adding: for an actor..all they want is attention, see Anne Coulter
posted by elpapacito at 2:02 AM on July 30, 2006
posted by elpapacito at 2:02 AM on July 30, 2006
Stay out of Malibu, you deadbeat fuckin' anti-Semite!
posted by trondant at 2:05 AM on July 30, 2006 [1 favorite]
posted by trondant at 2:05 AM on July 30, 2006 [1 favorite]
As a wise man once said: "Whiskey don't make liars, it just makes fools."
posted by Tullius at 2:32 AM on July 30, 2006
posted by Tullius at 2:32 AM on July 30, 2006
this thread is awesome.
i've laughed outloud a number of times.
mel gibson sucks.
also: how fucking stupid must Mel's father be?
posted by nadawi at 2:41 AM on July 30, 2006
i've laughed outloud a number of times.
mel gibson sucks.
also: how fucking stupid must Mel's father be?
posted by nadawi at 2:41 AM on July 30, 2006
>It'll be interesting to see what happens with Gibson, assuming the allegations are true. Given that his career is probably pretty much already behind him anyway...
And not because he's been making 'personal' films about SA Indians and JC that conventional audiences will want no part of.
posted by vhsiv at 2:48 AM on July 30, 2006
And not because he's been making 'personal' films about SA Indians and JC that conventional audiences will want no part of.
posted by vhsiv at 2:48 AM on July 30, 2006
Well-composed apology from Mel/Mel's people - no shirking, no passive voice.
That's not quite true.
It would have been much more honest to say something like this:
posted by pracowity at 3:45 AM on July 30, 2006 [1 favorite]
That's not quite true.
I have battled with the disease of alcoholism for all of my adult life and profoundly regret my horrific relapse. I apologize for any behavior unbecoming of me in my inebriated state and have already taken necessary steps to ensure my return to health.When he says this, he's saying the alcohol did it, that he is the victim of a disease that, I think he means to imply, made him say what he said. He wants you to blame alcoholism for his having guzzled a dozen drinks and jumped into a car (drunk driving is much worse than drunk cursing -- lock him up) and said horrible things.
It would have been much more honest to say something like this:
I was coming home from a party, driving drunk, totally fucking wasted, and the cops pulled me over. Fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck. I was drunk and angry, pissed and pissed off, desperate to get away, but I was physically restrained, so I tried to get back at the cops who were making me -- Me! Mel Gibson! King of Malibu! -- feel stupid by saying some really embarrassing stuff to them, some antisemitic, sexist, threatening, nasty shit, the kind of stuff people say when they want to be as offensive as they can be. I'm surprised I didn't call the female officer a cunt. Maybe I did and they didn't record it. And there must have been no black officers there, because I don't see any mention of me yelling the word nigger. Anyway. Anyway, where was I? Fuck, man, I'm really embarrassed and sorry now, as you can imagine. Shit. If you see me anywhere near an alcoholic drink in the future, do us all a favor and try to get it away from me, or me away from it. At least hide my car keys. Shit.But, while I believe Costello was only trying to get the goats of some very annoying folkies, I wouldn't be surprised if Gibson really thinks a little bit the way his drunk self spoke. He's a very handsome, rich, famous guy who's also a fanatical Christian. After years of adulation, maybe he does think he owns Malibu, maybe he does have a very flippant, sexist attitude towards women, and maybe he does think bad things about the Jews. I sure wouldn't be surprised.
posted by pracowity at 3:45 AM on July 30, 2006 [1 favorite]
In a decent world, this would instantly lead to the cancellation of Gibson's upcoming miniseries on the holocaust.
posted by gsteff at 4:18 AM on July 30, 2006
posted by gsteff at 4:18 AM on July 30, 2006
I hope the cop played Eagles tunes all the way to the jail.
posted by trondant at 4:19 AM on July 30, 2006
posted by trondant at 4:19 AM on July 30, 2006
Alcohol is interesting stuff. It's a toxic chemical (which I have imbibed to excess on more occasions than I care to recall) which has significant psychoactive characteristics. Under the right circumstances, it's quite possible to hallucinate on nothing but booze. It absolutely can "make" you say and do things that are entirely inconsistent with your normal beliefs or behaviors. I know this too well. That's why people call it a drug. If you don't believe that, you don't have enough drinking experience.
That said, those circumstances are prety extreme and unusual, for most people. More often than not, it just amplifies some dominant aspect of your character. In Mel's case (as in the case of a lot of drunks I've known), I expect it amplified his paranoia and sense of persecution.
I think the EC comparison is really apt. We all know Mel is at least a bit of a nutcase. (Seems to run in the family.) We all know he's not crazy about people who aren't rigid catholics, and we all could easily find pointers to things he's said while (apparently) sober that might lead us to think he's, shall we say, got a bit of a tendency to paranoia, to say the least. (For example, Julia Roberts [yes, I know...] has said with a straight face that Mel really believes most of the basic components of his character's delusions in Conspiracy Theory.)
Elvis, OTOH, has said a lot of things while in states we can't verify -- and especially early in his career -- that might lead us to believe that he's got a tendency to be a belligerent bastard. But he's also said a lot of things that might lead us to believe that he genuinely gives a shit about racism and classism and would really like to have been a better person.
To that point, pracowity's second version of the apology is what we might have expectd to get if Elvis had been pulled over while wasted; not what we'd have gotten from Mel. It's just not in character for Mel.
Obligatory comment: I think it's entirely consistent for a rigid conservative Catholic to blame the booze. Shows a troubling lack of personal sense of responsibility, but entirely consistent nonetheless. Elvis, a not-so-rigid Catholic, has consistently blamed his own weakness of character for the rubble he made of his first marriage and early career through drinking and behaving like a stereotypical drunken irishman. (To which point, I'm probably talking about personality again and not religion, but that's fine.)
posted by lodurr at 4:37 AM on July 30, 2006
That said, those circumstances are prety extreme and unusual, for most people. More often than not, it just amplifies some dominant aspect of your character. In Mel's case (as in the case of a lot of drunks I've known), I expect it amplified his paranoia and sense of persecution.
I think the EC comparison is really apt. We all know Mel is at least a bit of a nutcase. (Seems to run in the family.) We all know he's not crazy about people who aren't rigid catholics, and we all could easily find pointers to things he's said while (apparently) sober that might lead us to think he's, shall we say, got a bit of a tendency to paranoia, to say the least. (For example, Julia Roberts [yes, I know...] has said with a straight face that Mel really believes most of the basic components of his character's delusions in Conspiracy Theory.)
Elvis, OTOH, has said a lot of things while in states we can't verify -- and especially early in his career -- that might lead us to believe that he's got a tendency to be a belligerent bastard. But he's also said a lot of things that might lead us to believe that he genuinely gives a shit about racism and classism and would really like to have been a better person.
To that point, pracowity's second version of the apology is what we might have expectd to get if Elvis had been pulled over while wasted; not what we'd have gotten from Mel. It's just not in character for Mel.
Obligatory comment: I think it's entirely consistent for a rigid conservative Catholic to blame the booze. Shows a troubling lack of personal sense of responsibility, but entirely consistent nonetheless. Elvis, a not-so-rigid Catholic, has consistently blamed his own weakness of character for the rubble he made of his first marriage and early career through drinking and behaving like a stereotypical drunken irishman. (To which point, I'm probably talking about personality again and not religion, but that's fine.)
posted by lodurr at 4:37 AM on July 30, 2006
stavrogin: thanks for the clarification. If I had been drunk, I would've gotten that joke.
pyramid termite, save some of that absinthe beer for me.
And D_W: I recommend you dust off a copy of Edna May's "Purity Brigade"(1900) and throw it onto the ol' victrola while pressing a cold compress against your forehead. Your recovery is immanent.
Can't say the same about Mel The Anti-Semite.
"Welcome to The Mel Gibson Driving Academy. Here's your bottle of bourbon and here's you copy of 'The Protocols of The Elders of Zion.' Remember: before making anti-semitic rants, always check your blind spot."
posted by Fuzzy Monster at 5:52 AM on July 30, 2006
pyramid termite, save some of that absinthe beer for me.
And D_W: I recommend you dust off a copy of Edna May's "Purity Brigade"(1900) and throw it onto the ol' victrola while pressing a cold compress against your forehead. Your recovery is immanent.
Can't say the same about Mel The Anti-Semite.
"Welcome to The Mel Gibson Driving Academy. Here's your bottle of bourbon and here's you copy of 'The Protocols of The Elders of Zion.' Remember: before making anti-semitic rants, always check your blind spot."
posted by Fuzzy Monster at 5:52 AM on July 30, 2006
They wouldn't have released the police report at all except that it leaked, and they are still covering up the mug shot:
"The sheriff's department has previously released mug shots of other stars arrested for drunken driving, including actress Kim Delaney in 2002, but Gibson's booking photo "was not available," according to department spokesman Steve Whitmore."
posted by CunningLinguist at 6:52 AM on July 30, 2006
"The sheriff's department has previously released mug shots of other stars arrested for drunken driving, including actress Kim Delaney in 2002, but Gibson's booking photo "was not available," according to department spokesman Steve Whitmore."
posted by CunningLinguist at 6:52 AM on July 30, 2006
It'll be interesting to see what happens with Gibson
Nothing of consequence will happen, he's always been like this. Anyone who's had the displeasure of working on a movie set with him will tell you that sugar tits is quite tame compared to how he normally treats & talks to female production staff. He was holding back because the woman was a cop, trust me. It's quite jarring when you first find a well liked celeb so openly sexist, homophobic, anti-semetic, etc, and then getting away with it; no one in charge says a damned thing because he can sell movie tickets. They don't respect or like him, they use him to keep their own careers healthy, so there's no fall out for him. I suppose as his career is waning we may see less of him, but he won't suffer any sort of industry shunning.
posted by zarah at 7:27 AM on July 30, 2006 [3 favorites]
Nothing of consequence will happen, he's always been like this. Anyone who's had the displeasure of working on a movie set with him will tell you that sugar tits is quite tame compared to how he normally treats & talks to female production staff. He was holding back because the woman was a cop, trust me. It's quite jarring when you first find a well liked celeb so openly sexist, homophobic, anti-semetic, etc, and then getting away with it; no one in charge says a damned thing because he can sell movie tickets. They don't respect or like him, they use him to keep their own careers healthy, so there's no fall out for him. I suppose as his career is waning we may see less of him, but he won't suffer any sort of industry shunning.
posted by zarah at 7:27 AM on July 30, 2006 [3 favorites]
Stay out of Malibu, you deadbeat fuckin' anti-Semite!
Ha, I was waiting for that...Jackie Treehorn treats objects like women, man!
posted by jimmythefish at 7:37 AM on July 30, 2006
Ha, I was waiting for that...Jackie Treehorn treats objects like women, man!
posted by jimmythefish at 7:37 AM on July 30, 2006
Curious that this incident didn't make the cover of the NY Post... well, not really. How much do you want to bet that if it had been Tim Robbins or Sean Penn, it would have front and center.
posted by psmealey at 7:51 AM on July 30, 2006 [1 favorite]
posted by psmealey at 7:51 AM on July 30, 2006 [1 favorite]
I'm sure that some evil in the world is done on the basis of tribe or religion. And there is alot of data points one can build whatever viewpoint you wish to have. (Rockets fired upon civilians, attack upon a warship, fake terror plots uncovered)
But ALL? How did the indian/indian wars in 'the new world' fit into this model? Or Japan VS Korea in the past?
posted by rough ashlar at 8:06 AM on July 30, 2006
But ALL? How did the indian/indian wars in 'the new world' fit into this model? Or Japan VS Korea in the past?
posted by rough ashlar at 8:06 AM on July 30, 2006
I wouldn't bother entertaining that particular line of "reasoning", rough_ashlar. In response to that question, you inevitably encounter rants about the cabal of Jewish bankers or merchants influencing every last political decision in the world from here to Timbuktu since time immemorial.
posted by psmealey at 8:15 AM on July 30, 2006
posted by psmealey at 8:15 AM on July 30, 2006
*staggers into the thread*
*vomits messily*
Huzghh?
*passes out on stavrogin's sofa*
posted by Skorgu at 8:25 AM on July 30, 2006 [1 favorite]
*vomits messily*
Huzghh?
*passes out on stavrogin's sofa*
posted by Skorgu at 8:25 AM on July 30, 2006 [1 favorite]
This thread was good, but I'll wait for the South Park version.
posted by warbaby at 8:46 AM on July 30, 2006
posted by warbaby at 8:46 AM on July 30, 2006
"I could give you the names of 25 people (all of whom are at this moment within a five block radius of this office) who, if you had exiled them to a desert island a year and a half ago, the Iraq war would not have happened." -- Thomas Friedman interviewed in Ha'aretz
"For example, whose interests were they protecting in pushing for war in Iraq? The point is simply that the neocons seem to have a special affinity for Israel that influences their political thinking and consequently American foreign policy in the Middle East... And half of them are Jewish." -- Kalle Lasn, Adbusters 2004
Nah, Mel couldn't possibly have a point ;-)
posted by Bletch at 8:55 AM on July 30, 2006
"For example, whose interests were they protecting in pushing for war in Iraq? The point is simply that the neocons seem to have a special affinity for Israel that influences their political thinking and consequently American foreign policy in the Middle East... And half of them are Jewish." -- Kalle Lasn, Adbusters 2004
Nah, Mel couldn't possibly have a point ;-)
posted by Bletch at 8:55 AM on July 30, 2006
How much do you want to bet that if it had been Tim Robbins or Sean Penn, it would have front and center.
Conservatives get a free pass. That's how it works.
posted by Blazecock Pileon at 9:00 AM on July 30, 2006
Conservatives get a free pass. That's how it works.
posted by Blazecock Pileon at 9:00 AM on July 30, 2006
Deputy Mee then wrote an eight-page report detailing of the incident, but higher-ups in the sheriff's department felt it was too "inflammatory" to release and would merely serve to incite "Jewish hatred," TMZ said.
WTF is "Jewish hatred?" Do the "higher-ups" believe that this will incite people to hate Jews or will it incite Jews to hate? Neither scenario seems to make a whole lot of sense.
posted by leftcoastbob at 9:03 AM on July 30, 2006
WTF is "Jewish hatred?" Do the "higher-ups" believe that this will incite people to hate Jews or will it incite Jews to hate? Neither scenario seems to make a whole lot of sense.
posted by leftcoastbob at 9:03 AM on July 30, 2006
Bletch writes "Nah, Mel couldn't possibly have a point ;-)"
Only if you think all Jews are interventionist neoconservatives. Barabara Boxer, Russ Feingold, Noam Chomsky, and a plethora of other anti-war Jews are evidence that you and Mel are overbroadly generalizing, to put the nicest possible spin on it.
posted by orthogonality at 9:06 AM on July 30, 2006
Only if you think all Jews are interventionist neoconservatives. Barabara Boxer, Russ Feingold, Noam Chomsky, and a plethora of other anti-war Jews are evidence that you and Mel are overbroadly generalizing, to put the nicest possible spin on it.
posted by orthogonality at 9:06 AM on July 30, 2006
If it had been Bush in this same situation, everyone would be going crazy at this opportunity to out him for an anti-Semite, but because it's fucking Mel Gibson, who by the way is too lame for words despite the fact that you may have seen and enjoyed him in lame movies, people are turning into these weird creepy apologists. This is exactly why this country sucks & why people re-elected the aforementioned Bush. A lot of people seem to live in a dream state, where not even the obvious can penetrate.
Mel Gibson doesn't like Jews. Deal with it. You can still like him & watch his crappy movies, but don't make excuses for him.
posted by eunoia at 9:07 AM on July 30, 2006
Mel Gibson doesn't like Jews. Deal with it. You can still like him & watch his crappy movies, but don't make excuses for him.
posted by eunoia at 9:07 AM on July 30, 2006
orthogonality, but the Iraq war is a case where we can reasonably blame a bunch of specific Jewish people for starting a war (see post above). Obviously this doesn't apply to all Jews, though in fact most Jews did support the invasion of Iraq, much more so than their fellow liberals (see references below). The current crisis of the Democratic party over Lieberman is a direct consequence of the Jewish support for Iraq, for that matter.
I don't see the Jewish identity of the neoconservatives as validation of rather repugnant conspiracy theories, which Gibson probably subscribes to as a follower of a doctrine that believes Jews are responsible for killing Christ. It's just a case where members of a specific ethnic group improperly placed their loyalty to another nation ahead of the national interests of the US.
If the neocons were, say, American Armenians and the USA had inexplicably invaded Armenia's ancient enemy Georgia it would be pretty clear what had happened. I don't believe political correctness, or fear of giving comfort to bigots, should deter us from pointing out the obvious.
References: The American Israel Public Affairs Committee supported the Iraq war. The liberal Religious Action Center of Reform Judaism supported the Iraq war. Although nearly 80% of Jews vote Democrat, in January 2003, a poll commissioned by the American Jewish Committee found that 59 percent of American Jews supported war against Iraq, compared to other Democrats, who opposed it by 52 percent to 44 percent.
posted by Bletch at 9:37 AM on July 30, 2006
I don't see the Jewish identity of the neoconservatives as validation of rather repugnant conspiracy theories, which Gibson probably subscribes to as a follower of a doctrine that believes Jews are responsible for killing Christ. It's just a case where members of a specific ethnic group improperly placed their loyalty to another nation ahead of the national interests of the US.
If the neocons were, say, American Armenians and the USA had inexplicably invaded Armenia's ancient enemy Georgia it would be pretty clear what had happened. I don't believe political correctness, or fear of giving comfort to bigots, should deter us from pointing out the obvious.
References: The American Israel Public Affairs Committee supported the Iraq war. The liberal Religious Action Center of Reform Judaism supported the Iraq war. Although nearly 80% of Jews vote Democrat, in January 2003, a poll commissioned by the American Jewish Committee found that 59 percent of American Jews supported war against Iraq, compared to other Democrats, who opposed it by 52 percent to 44 percent.
posted by Bletch at 9:37 AM on July 30, 2006
Hey, another addition of the mischief-is-a-troll-or-a-retard show. In today's episode, guest star Mel Gibson shows up once again to show what a bat-shit insane, religious and anti-semitic freak he is. Sure to be a ratings bonanza!
Seriously, Dawkins is right. Religion is an unhealthy virus.
And ortho, not only Jews here, but a healthy chunk of them in Israel are not happy with their country's policy. There's a reason Haaretz is one of their most successful dailies, and no one is harsher on their military policy.
Bletch, you're a moron. Jews don't equal Israel. Jesus, how sad are you? Taking Thomas Friedman at his word on anything? The man's an inveterate idiot, proven wrong on the Middle East repeatedly, and contradicting himself every other week.
posted by the_savage_mind at 9:41 AM on July 30, 2006
Seriously, Dawkins is right. Religion is an unhealthy virus.
And ortho, not only Jews here, but a healthy chunk of them in Israel are not happy with their country's policy. There's a reason Haaretz is one of their most successful dailies, and no one is harsher on their military policy.
Bletch, you're a moron. Jews don't equal Israel. Jesus, how sad are you? Taking Thomas Friedman at his word on anything? The man's an inveterate idiot, proven wrong on the Middle East repeatedly, and contradicting himself every other week.
posted by the_savage_mind at 9:41 AM on July 30, 2006
I think you guys are putting way too much thought into something a drunk asshole said. I've heard the same, or worse, about jews, muslims, communists, mexicans, etc. etc. in any given bar at 2am in any given city.
posted by cell divide at 9:42 AM on July 30, 2006
posted by cell divide at 9:42 AM on July 30, 2006
Bletch: You (and Mel) are totally right. If it weren't for Bushstein and Cheneyberg, those war-mongering Jews who have nothing to do with the oil industry, we'd be sitting pretty right now.
Lucky they got what they deserved when they started WWII.
;)
posted by turducken at 9:45 AM on July 30, 2006
Lucky they got what they deserved when they started WWII.
;)
posted by turducken at 9:45 AM on July 30, 2006
I've heard the same, or worse, about jews, muslims, communists, mexicans, etc. etc. in any given bar at 2am in any given city.
Me too, but most of the time, I have never seen the asshole before, and I will probably never will see him again. He is a drunken asshole of no consequence, other than bumming me out or pissing me off for about five minutes. On other hand, it's true that Gibson is a fucking moron, but he does have something of a podium, so he should be called to task for this bullshit, whether he's "sorry" or not.
Not that anything about this sorry situation affects my life in the least, but Eunoia is exactly right, Americans are forgive and forget way too easily. As a celebrity, you can kill and family of six in a drunken rage, but if you get your Oprah moment all is forgiven. I blame Oprah. And Bill Clinton. And Rush Limbaugh. And Lindsay Lohan. And Robert Downey. And Rob Lowe.
posted by psmealey at 10:01 AM on July 30, 2006
Me too, but most of the time, I have never seen the asshole before, and I will probably never will see him again. He is a drunken asshole of no consequence, other than bumming me out or pissing me off for about five minutes. On other hand, it's true that Gibson is a fucking moron, but he does have something of a podium, so he should be called to task for this bullshit, whether he's "sorry" or not.
Not that anything about this sorry situation affects my life in the least, but Eunoia is exactly right, Americans are forgive and forget way too easily. As a celebrity, you can kill and family of six in a drunken rage, but if you get your Oprah moment all is forgiven. I blame Oprah. And Bill Clinton. And Rush Limbaugh. And Lindsay Lohan. And Robert Downey. And Rob Lowe.
posted by psmealey at 10:01 AM on July 30, 2006
.12 blood alcohol level is not that high (about five beers for a 160 pound man). It shouldn't make him shit-faced drunk. It is legally intoxicated for driving an automobile, but only about the same level of increasing accidents as say, an antihistamine or using a cell phone. In a number of states until recently .10 was the the DUI cutoff.
In other words, I'm saying, it was Mel talking, not the liquor.
posted by dances_with_sneetches at 10:10 AM on July 30, 2006
In other words, I'm saying, it was Mel talking, not the liquor.
posted by dances_with_sneetches at 10:10 AM on July 30, 2006
I was just estimating how many drinks Mel had to have to blow a .12. I'm under the impression (but too lazy to look it up) that Mel is over 6 feet tall so he probably weighs somewhere near the 200 lbs mark, so he probably had the equivalent of a few beers (several pints, i.e. nothing outrageous.) Like dances_with_sneetches I think that he was loud-drunk rather than mentally incapacitated (I'm not talking about his DUI, of course he shouldn't have been driving, but he was not as drunk as to be ranting-out-of-your-mind drunk.)
posted by ob at 10:25 AM on July 30, 2006
posted by ob at 10:25 AM on July 30, 2006
All this is is a man who refuses to take responsibility for himself. He blames the "disease" of alcoholism for his drunk driving, the ineptitude of the arresting officers, and, the old scapegoat standby, the Jews. Blaming the Jews has been used for hundreds of years by people who refuse to take any responsibility for themselves.
Mel's apology isn't an apology at all. It's an excuse.
Mel Gibson is an asshole. That's the simple truth.
posted by eperker at 10:27 AM on July 30, 2006
Mel's apology isn't an apology at all. It's an excuse.
Mel Gibson is an asshole. That's the simple truth.
posted by eperker at 10:27 AM on July 30, 2006
Mel Gibson is 5' 9". One source puts him at 214 lbs. That seems way too much.
posted by dances_with_sneetches at 10:32 AM on July 30, 2006
posted by dances_with_sneetches at 10:32 AM on July 30, 2006
Bletch, your selective use of statistics (71% of the population at large supported the war in March 2003, meaning that American Jews disproportionately opposed it) epitomizes a common ignorance. We prosecuted this war purely for corporate economic gain, and for no other reason. People support it for their own reasons, but the motivation was financial. And if you want to deal in stereotypes, then perhaps it's more appropriate to blame swaggering drunken assholes from Texas, not "the jews," for our foreign policy.
posted by Saucy Intruder at 10:33 AM on July 30, 2006
posted by Saucy Intruder at 10:33 AM on July 30, 2006
Mel wasn't in an argument at a bar. He was pulled over for speeding by a Christian cop, who I'm pretty sure didn't bring up the Worldwide Jewish Conspiracy during the sobriety test.
Indeed! As I said two or three sentences in to my comment, minus the fact that alcohol was involved, they're almost entirely different incidents.
However, as both involve offensive comments by drunken celebrities (for varying degrees of celebrity), I thought I'd bring it up.
Elvis Costello's remarks about Ray Charles seriously hurt his US popularity.
It did.
In the liner notes for the (totally awesome) Rhino reissue of one of his early albums, Costello talks about the incident and one is struck by how much he clearly regrets that it ever happened. He apparently had a chance to meet Charles a good while after the incident, shortly before Charles's death, but couldn't bring himself to face Charles, and passed on it. (Ray Charles apparently was willing to forgive him and had done so some time before).
posted by sparkletone at 10:50 AM on July 30, 2006
Indeed! As I said two or three sentences in to my comment, minus the fact that alcohol was involved, they're almost entirely different incidents.
However, as both involve offensive comments by drunken celebrities (for varying degrees of celebrity), I thought I'd bring it up.
Elvis Costello's remarks about Ray Charles seriously hurt his US popularity.
It did.
In the liner notes for the (totally awesome) Rhino reissue of one of his early albums, Costello talks about the incident and one is struck by how much he clearly regrets that it ever happened. He apparently had a chance to meet Charles a good while after the incident, shortly before Charles's death, but couldn't bring himself to face Charles, and passed on it. (Ray Charles apparently was willing to forgive him and had done so some time before).
posted by sparkletone at 10:50 AM on July 30, 2006
Bletch writes "Nah, Mel couldn't possibly have a point ;-)"
You know who else had a few good points?
Adolph Schicklgruber.
posted by Astro Zombie at 10:59 AM on July 30, 2006
You know who else had a few good points?
Adolph Schicklgruber.
posted by Astro Zombie at 10:59 AM on July 30, 2006
If the neocons were, say, American Armenians and the USA had inexplicably invaded Armenia's ancient enemy Georgia it would be pretty clear what had happened. I don't believe political correctness, or fear of giving comfort to bigots, should deter us from pointing out the obvious.
Wow, your hypothetical has such uncanny parallels with the actual situation. Historically, the U.S. has involved itself in Georgia and the Caucausus to the same degree and extent as in Iraq and the Middle East, and the two regions play near-identical roles in geopolitics. Clearly, Georgia's strategic importance and natural resources are a match for Iraq's. It's obvious: Bush invaded Iraq instead of Georgia simply because he's a tool of the JOOOOOOS, those wily bastards.
Your point is moronic on its face, so no credit for fearless political incorrectness, I'm afraid. (Political incorrectness involves accurate or at least plausible critique, not simple crackpottery.) As for giving comfort to bigots -- well, why are you promoting something with so little truth value? Discounting bigot-cuddling motives, of course.
posted by vetiver at 11:49 AM on July 30, 2006
Wow, your hypothetical has such uncanny parallels with the actual situation. Historically, the U.S. has involved itself in Georgia and the Caucausus to the same degree and extent as in Iraq and the Middle East, and the two regions play near-identical roles in geopolitics. Clearly, Georgia's strategic importance and natural resources are a match for Iraq's. It's obvious: Bush invaded Iraq instead of Georgia simply because he's a tool of the JOOOOOOS, those wily bastards.
Your point is moronic on its face, so no credit for fearless political incorrectness, I'm afraid. (Political incorrectness involves accurate or at least plausible critique, not simple crackpottery.) As for giving comfort to bigots -- well, why are you promoting something with so little truth value? Discounting bigot-cuddling motives, of course.
posted by vetiver at 11:49 AM on July 30, 2006
President Bush doesn't care about Mel Gibson.
posted by krinklyfig at 11:52 AM on July 30, 2006
posted by krinklyfig at 11:52 AM on July 30, 2006
swaggering drunken assholes from Texas,
Hey, leave me out of this one.
posted by IronLizard at 12:00 PM on July 30, 2006
Hey, leave me out of this one.
posted by IronLizard at 12:00 PM on July 30, 2006
vetiver writes "bigot-cuddling motives"
I don't think I've ever seen those words together before.
posted by krinklyfig at 12:01 PM on July 30, 2006
I don't think I've ever seen those words together before.
posted by krinklyfig at 12:01 PM on July 30, 2006
I think that he was loud-drunk rather than mentally incapacitated (I'm not talking about his DUI, of course he shouldn't have been driving, but he was not as drunk as to be ranting-out-of-your-mind drunk.)
posted by ob
A breath test doesn't give evidence of any sort of intoxicant other than alcohol, so it's possible that the alcohol's effect was enhanced by drugs. Even OTC cold pills can enhance the effects of alcohol exponentially.
Gibson failed both alcohol breath and field sobriety tests, deputies said. His blood-alcohol level was .12, Deputy Anthony Moore said. The legal limit is .08 in California.
posted by leftcoastbob at 12:02 PM on July 30, 2006
posted by ob
A breath test doesn't give evidence of any sort of intoxicant other than alcohol, so it's possible that the alcohol's effect was enhanced by drugs. Even OTC cold pills can enhance the effects of alcohol exponentially.
Gibson failed both alcohol breath and field sobriety tests, deputies said. His blood-alcohol level was .12, Deputy Anthony Moore said. The legal limit is .08 in California.
posted by leftcoastbob at 12:02 PM on July 30, 2006
He blames the "disease" of alcoholism for his drunk driving, the ineptitude of the arresting officers, and, the old scapegoat standby, the Jews. Blaming the Jews has been used for hundreds of years by people who refuse to take any responsibility for themselves.
Mel's apology isn't an apology at all. It's an excuse.
nowhere in his apology statement does he blame the officers, or the jews, for anything at all. you have confused his drunken ranting with his contrite apology. i suggest a remedial reading class.
posted by quonsar at 12:35 PM on July 30, 2006
Mel's apology isn't an apology at all. It's an excuse.
nowhere in his apology statement does he blame the officers, or the jews, for anything at all. you have confused his drunken ranting with his contrite apology. i suggest a remedial reading class.
posted by quonsar at 12:35 PM on July 30, 2006
"I want to kill him…I want his intestines on a stick. . . . I want to kill his dog."
On New York Times reporter Frank Rich, who wrote an
early article about The Passion of the Christ.
The New Yorker, September 15, 2003
What a great catholic.
posted by uni verse at 12:56 PM on July 30, 2006
On New York Times reporter Frank Rich, who wrote an
early article about The Passion of the Christ.
The New Yorker, September 15, 2003
What a great catholic.
posted by uni verse at 12:56 PM on July 30, 2006
What a great catholic.
He may or may not be a great Catholic (I can see him and Scalia getting hot and sweaty over torturing heretics), but he's not a real Christian. Like his dad, among other things he believes that the ravings of an insane nun from the 18th/19th centuries are gospel truth. That's where the perversion of Christ's significance in the Passion (mostly) comes from.
posted by the_savage_mind at 1:13 PM on July 30, 2006
He may or may not be a great Catholic (I can see him and Scalia getting hot and sweaty over torturing heretics), but he's not a real Christian. Like his dad, among other things he believes that the ravings of an insane nun from the 18th/19th centuries are gospel truth. That's where the perversion of Christ's significance in the Passion (mostly) comes from.
posted by the_savage_mind at 1:13 PM on July 30, 2006
Man, this has been a funny thread. And that's not just the booze talking.
Or is it.....? (Calls publicist, just in case)
posted by maryh at 1:16 PM on July 30, 2006
Or is it.....? (Calls publicist, just in case)
posted by maryh at 1:16 PM on July 30, 2006
Isn't this fully in line with the hypocritical behavior antics of the Christian right?
-William Bennet, overseer of morals, wastes millions of his family's money on slot machines
-Mayor of Spokane, Wash, author of anti-gay legislation, caught trolling for tricks on the net
-Pat Robertson's support of foreign-leader assassination
-"Throw drug offenders in prison" Rush Limbaugh arrested for Vicodin purchases, nabbed for off-prescription Viagra on alleged underaged sex romp in Dominican Republic
posted by Gordion Knott at 1:35 PM on July 30, 2006
-William Bennet, overseer of morals, wastes millions of his family's money on slot machines
-Mayor of Spokane, Wash, author of anti-gay legislation, caught trolling for tricks on the net
-Pat Robertson's support of foreign-leader assassination
-"Throw drug offenders in prison" Rush Limbaugh arrested for Vicodin purchases, nabbed for off-prescription Viagra on alleged underaged sex romp in Dominican Republic
posted by Gordion Knott at 1:35 PM on July 30, 2006
Meh. You haven't heard anything until you've heard Ben Affleck go off about Kurds whenever he bends an elbow.
posted by jimmythefish at 1:54 PM on July 30, 2006
posted by jimmythefish at 1:54 PM on July 30, 2006
...he's not a real Christian.
Before I knew he was supposed to be catholic, the impression I got from is films is that he was a pagan. I mean, literally. It seemed to me that he worshipped Mars, the god of war. Now, I suppose, we can add Bacchus to his personal pantheon.
posted by Faze at 2:10 PM on July 30, 2006
Before I knew he was supposed to be catholic, the impression I got from is films is that he was a pagan. I mean, literally. It seemed to me that he worshipped Mars, the god of war. Now, I suppose, we can add Bacchus to his personal pantheon.
posted by Faze at 2:10 PM on July 30, 2006
I think the idea that the things drunk people say is a more "true" reflection of their character is bullshit.
Our filters and standards of behaviour are as much who we are as our base nature. In fact, maybe more...we have much more power of choice & design over our filters & standards of behaviour than over our base nature.
posted by lastobelus at 2:52 PM on July 30, 2006
Our filters and standards of behaviour are as much who we are as our base nature. In fact, maybe more...we have much more power of choice & design over our filters & standards of behaviour than over our base nature.
posted by lastobelus at 2:52 PM on July 30, 2006
We are all only a few dozen drinks between our nice, mannered self and, well, saying just about anything.
You should hear me after I get some red wine in me and get going about the gub'mint and the cops....but, wait, you have heard that.
posted by nyxxxx at 3:23 PM on July 30, 2006
You should hear me after I get some red wine in me and get going about the gub'mint and the cops....but, wait, you have heard that.
posted by nyxxxx at 3:23 PM on July 30, 2006
WTF? The FBI is getting involved in this? Has the whole world gone batshit insane?
posted by nyxxxx at 3:30 PM on July 30, 2006
posted by nyxxxx at 3:30 PM on July 30, 2006
What a revolting excuse for a human being.
posted by orange swan at 3:31 PM on July 30, 2006
posted by orange swan at 3:31 PM on July 30, 2006
For me, .12 BAC is like truth serum.
Wrong - alchohol is a BS serum, not truth serum. What comes out of an inebriates mouth isn't necessarily what they believe or want or hope for the future, or really think is important at all.
Sometimes it's unexpressed fear, or badly failed humor, or a sneering imitation of someone they don't like, or arguing with people from their past, or acting out fears they've seen demontrated in others in past, or any other incomprehensible meta-level of discourse with people present or not, real or imagined.
If you think alchohol is a truth serum you and Mel both need to cut back.
posted by scheptech at 4:12 PM on July 30, 2006
Wrong - alchohol is a BS serum, not truth serum. What comes out of an inebriates mouth isn't necessarily what they believe or want or hope for the future, or really think is important at all.
Sometimes it's unexpressed fear, or badly failed humor, or a sneering imitation of someone they don't like, or arguing with people from their past, or acting out fears they've seen demontrated in others in past, or any other incomprehensible meta-level of discourse with people present or not, real or imagined.
If you think alchohol is a truth serum you and Mel both need to cut back.
posted by scheptech at 4:12 PM on July 30, 2006
That "BBC Los Angeles" page is a pretty elaborate execution for just one gag; does anyone know if they use it for aything else? (Also kind of interesting: It does't have a lookup record taht I can see...)
posted by lodurr at 4:33 PM on July 30, 2006
posted by lodurr at 4:33 PM on July 30, 2006
I have a bit of a crush on Harvey Levin. I know, completely indefensible and odd. But I wuv him.
posted by ClaudiaCenter at 4:59 PM on July 30, 2006
posted by ClaudiaCenter at 4:59 PM on July 30, 2006
WTF? The FBI is getting involved in this? Has the whole world gone batshit insane?
As lodurr points out -- it's a gag webpage. Check out the URL.
posted by ericb at 5:07 PM on July 30, 2006
As lodurr points out -- it's a gag webpage. Check out the URL.
posted by ericb at 5:07 PM on July 30, 2006
Yeh, I just got "no record found" when I did an internic lookup.
F Mack, where did you get this from? I'm curious. It seems to me that if you do something like this, you want people to see the gag, but I'm not finding this linked anywhere.
posted by lodurr at 5:20 PM on July 30, 2006
F Mack, where did you get this from? I'm curious. It seems to me that if you do something like this, you want people to see the gag, but I'm not finding this linked anywhere.
posted by lodurr at 5:20 PM on July 30, 2006
It was a link submission to a website that rhymes with fark.
posted by F Mackenzie at 6:19 PM on July 30, 2006
posted by F Mackenzie at 6:19 PM on July 30, 2006
It's just a case where members of a specific ethnic group improperly placed their loyalty to another nation ahead of the national interests of the US.
Excuse me, bletch, but to jump from the fact that Jews were more likely to support the Iraq war than other people of the same political bent is beyond the pale. Just because Jews are more likely to be more conscuous of someone like Saddam and more willing to support a war against him (I'm willing to accept that this very well may be true, though I'm not convinced it is) does not at all translate into placing Israel's interests ahead of the United States
I'm Jewish, and I opposed this war from day one because I didn't believe the justifications Bush gave for going to war. I believed and still believe that the cause of getting rid of Saddam is just, but that it was outrageous to attack him and Iraq under the false pretenses of him having weapons he clearly didn't have and ties to 9/11 that didn't exist. (I also thought the US was ill-prepared for a war, that the troops were not prepared for the type of war it would have to wage thanks to Bush's much ballyhooed elimination of training for "nation-building" activities, that we ought to concentrate on Al-Qaeda and the other terrorist organizations, that we shouldn't provide an additional cause that the terrorists could use to their advantage, that we didn't have the manpower to deal with both Afghanistan and Iraq at the same time, and that we'd be in deep trouble if another crisis came up for which troops were required)
Now, I also happened to believe that the war was bad for Israel. Saddam was a power hungry dictator, but he was not an ideologue and was unlikely to pose a future danger to Israel because he wasn't exactly in a position to extend his power and because his interests were unlikely to directly conflict with Israel's. (Saddam, of course, had made use of Israel as a convenient target many times, including during the Gulf War, but Israel was never what stood betwen Sadaam and what he wanted) The biggest danger Saddam now posed to Israel was the type of successor he and his ruling methods would inspire - probably something similar to what the Shah inspired in Iran.
However, I didn't oppose the war because of Israel, any more than Wolfkowitz and his ilk supported the war because of Israel. Certainly, the Jewishness of many of the neocons is a factor in their worldview which leads them to some of the middle east policies they support. They almost certainly have "learned" more from Israel's experiences in the middle east more, on average, than their non-Jewish brethren. But there is a huge difference between saying that their Jewishness and interest in Israel plays a major part in forming their worldview and saying that they were more loyal to Israel than the United States, and there is simply no evidence to make the jump to the latter when the former explains your statistics perfectly.
Note that there are, of course, some Jews in America that do put their loyalty to Israel ahead of the their loyalty to the United States. But they don't tend to end up working in the US government. There are, of course, also a few Jews who are extremely anti-Israel because of their religious beliefs and would support policies that would hurt Israel.
I did my college thesis on the intersection of religion and politics, especially in presidential elections. In 1960, Kennedy was repeatedly smeared as someone who would put the interests of the Vatican ahead of the United States. There was not a whit of evidence to this, of course, and in actuality, Americans would have been much wiser to worry that Kennedy would instead put not his Catholicism but his sexual interests ahead of United States security. Now, I don't think the question of loyalty is totally illegimate to ask - a small percentage of American Catholics probably would put the interests of their religion and the Vatican ahead of American interests, just like a small percentage of American Jews would place Israel's interests ahead of America's. But it's quite clear that the overwhelming majprity of American Catholics and Jews are Americans first. And the fact that their religiona sometimes significantly inform their worldviews does not contradict that.
posted by spira at 8:51 PM on July 30, 2006
Excuse me, bletch, but to jump from the fact that Jews were more likely to support the Iraq war than other people of the same political bent is beyond the pale. Just because Jews are more likely to be more conscuous of someone like Saddam and more willing to support a war against him (I'm willing to accept that this very well may be true, though I'm not convinced it is) does not at all translate into placing Israel's interests ahead of the United States
I'm Jewish, and I opposed this war from day one because I didn't believe the justifications Bush gave for going to war. I believed and still believe that the cause of getting rid of Saddam is just, but that it was outrageous to attack him and Iraq under the false pretenses of him having weapons he clearly didn't have and ties to 9/11 that didn't exist. (I also thought the US was ill-prepared for a war, that the troops were not prepared for the type of war it would have to wage thanks to Bush's much ballyhooed elimination of training for "nation-building" activities, that we ought to concentrate on Al-Qaeda and the other terrorist organizations, that we shouldn't provide an additional cause that the terrorists could use to their advantage, that we didn't have the manpower to deal with both Afghanistan and Iraq at the same time, and that we'd be in deep trouble if another crisis came up for which troops were required)
Now, I also happened to believe that the war was bad for Israel. Saddam was a power hungry dictator, but he was not an ideologue and was unlikely to pose a future danger to Israel because he wasn't exactly in a position to extend his power and because his interests were unlikely to directly conflict with Israel's. (Saddam, of course, had made use of Israel as a convenient target many times, including during the Gulf War, but Israel was never what stood betwen Sadaam and what he wanted) The biggest danger Saddam now posed to Israel was the type of successor he and his ruling methods would inspire - probably something similar to what the Shah inspired in Iran.
However, I didn't oppose the war because of Israel, any more than Wolfkowitz and his ilk supported the war because of Israel. Certainly, the Jewishness of many of the neocons is a factor in their worldview which leads them to some of the middle east policies they support. They almost certainly have "learned" more from Israel's experiences in the middle east more, on average, than their non-Jewish brethren. But there is a huge difference between saying that their Jewishness and interest in Israel plays a major part in forming their worldview and saying that they were more loyal to Israel than the United States, and there is simply no evidence to make the jump to the latter when the former explains your statistics perfectly.
Note that there are, of course, some Jews in America that do put their loyalty to Israel ahead of the their loyalty to the United States. But they don't tend to end up working in the US government. There are, of course, also a few Jews who are extremely anti-Israel because of their religious beliefs and would support policies that would hurt Israel.
I did my college thesis on the intersection of religion and politics, especially in presidential elections. In 1960, Kennedy was repeatedly smeared as someone who would put the interests of the Vatican ahead of the United States. There was not a whit of evidence to this, of course, and in actuality, Americans would have been much wiser to worry that Kennedy would instead put not his Catholicism but his sexual interests ahead of United States security. Now, I don't think the question of loyalty is totally illegimate to ask - a small percentage of American Catholics probably would put the interests of their religion and the Vatican ahead of American interests, just like a small percentage of American Jews would place Israel's interests ahead of America's. But it's quite clear that the overwhelming majprity of American Catholics and Jews are Americans first. And the fact that their religiona sometimes significantly inform their worldviews does not contradict that.
posted by spira at 8:51 PM on July 30, 2006
Geesh, Mel, what were you thinking? I miss the Mel from 'The Year of Living Dangerously', a film I am not embarrassed to say rates among my top ten all time favorites.
posted by bluesky43 at 9:05 PM on July 30, 2006
posted by bluesky43 at 9:05 PM on July 30, 2006
scheptech: Sorry, I don't get it. If unexpressed fear, badly failed humor, sneering imitations of people I don't like, arguing with people from my past, etc. is what's really running through my head underneath my calm, professional mien (and lordy, does it ever), yet only emerges from my pie-hole when I've had a couple of martinis at Musso and Frank, then sweet, sweet alcohol sure sounds like a truth serum to me. You may think it's BS, but that just means I'm full of shit -- and that Mel is fuller than most.
posted by turducken at 9:43 PM on July 30, 2006
posted by turducken at 9:43 PM on July 30, 2006
Y'know, I've gotten drunk lots of times. I've gotten, very, very drunk quite a few times. I've even been reduced to proper 4-wheel drive (crawling) on occasion.
But I've never been drunk enough to call anyone a nigger or blame the Jews for, well, anything.
posted by slimepuppy at 4:51 AM on July 31, 2006
But I've never been drunk enough to call anyone a nigger or blame the Jews for, well, anything.
posted by slimepuppy at 4:51 AM on July 31, 2006
The Jews have made me drunk before.
Fucking Purim.
posted by Astro Zombie at 6:21 AM on July 31, 2006
Fucking Purim.
posted by Astro Zombie at 6:21 AM on July 31, 2006
One time I got drunk and started to recite every line from "Better Off Dead".
posted by gcbv at 8:21 AM on July 31, 2006 [1 favorite]
posted by gcbv at 8:21 AM on July 31, 2006 [1 favorite]
Gibson's upcoming miniseries on the holocaust. - gsteff
*jaw drop*
.12 blood alcohol level is not that high (about five beers for a 160 pound man). It shouldn't make him shit-faced drunk. - dances_with_sneetches
I dunno. Tolerance goes up with repeated abuse of alcohol - to a point. Then there's a point at which this falls off sharply and just a little bit of alcohol gets a person right messed. So it's pretty hard to know how much a certain amount of alcohol would affect a given person. Particurlarly one with a known history of alcohol abuse.
posted by raedyn at 10:51 AM on July 31, 2006
*jaw drop*
.12 blood alcohol level is not that high (about five beers for a 160 pound man). It shouldn't make him shit-faced drunk. - dances_with_sneetches
I dunno. Tolerance goes up with repeated abuse of alcohol - to a point. Then there's a point at which this falls off sharply and just a little bit of alcohol gets a person right messed. So it's pretty hard to know how much a certain amount of alcohol would affect a given person. Particurlarly one with a known history of alcohol abuse.
posted by raedyn at 10:51 AM on July 31, 2006
Hitler used to call Eva Braun “sugar tits.”
...I’m just sayin’
posted by Smedleyman at 1:06 PM on July 31, 2006 [1 favorite]
...I’m just sayin’
posted by Smedleyman at 1:06 PM on July 31, 2006 [1 favorite]
(Zuckerbrust)
posted by Smedleyman at 1:07 PM on July 31, 2006
posted by Smedleyman at 1:07 PM on July 31, 2006
Official Police Report Includes Gibson's Remarks
"An official police report on Mel Gibson’s arrest on drunken driving charges substantiates claims that he made anti-Semitic remarks and threatened a deputy, a law enforcement official said Monday.posted by ericb at 2:49 PM on July 31, 2006
On Monday, sheriff’s department officials sent prosecutors their case, which also says a tequila bottle was found in Gibson’s car when he was pulled over on the Pacific Coast Highway.
Meanwhile, according to a report on CNN.com, Gibson has entered rehab."
> Bletch, you're a moron. Jews don't equal Israel
YHWH appears to think so, you know, when it comes to keeping the Covenant. He's decided to give 'em the area-sometimes-geographically-referred-to-as-Palestine-sometimes-as-Canaan for an ethnic homeland, in spite of the fact that it was already full of soi-disant people (ragheads recently, canaanites back in the day) who already thought it was home. And He's done it twice now. WTF can He be thinking?
posted by jfuller at 5:43 PM on July 31, 2006
YHWH appears to think so, you know, when it comes to keeping the Covenant. He's decided to give 'em the area-sometimes-geographically-referred-to-as-Palestine-sometimes-as-Canaan for an ethnic homeland, in spite of the fact that it was already full of soi-disant people (ragheads recently, canaanites back in the day) who already thought it was home. And He's done it twice now. WTF can He be thinking?
posted by jfuller at 5:43 PM on July 31, 2006
Heh, according to news reports the Deputy who arrested Gibson is a Jew.
posted by orthogonality at 6:12 PM on July 31, 2006
posted by orthogonality at 6:12 PM on July 31, 2006
Not looking to defend the guy at all, but according to the links :
Hell, I would have expected that everything in the car was recorded as a matter of course - I'm pretty sure it is here, and we've only recently (officially) started trialling forward-looking cameras in police cars & miked-up officers (the police have long carried tape recorders for their own use, with no 'official' status to the recordings).
posted by Pinback at 7:57 PM on July 31, 2006
- Gibson is pulled over. Cop starts tape recorder.
- Gibson carries on like a pork chop, and is arrested & cuffed. Tape still running.
- Gibson is put in the back of the patrol car. Tape recorder is turned off.
- The trip back to the station is not recorded!
- Back at the station, Gibson continues carrying on like a pork chop, calling a female sargent "sugar-tits", carries on about how he's f**ked, how he's going to f**k the arresting officer, going to the toilet, getting pissed off at a broken phone, etc. This is on videotape.
- Arresting officer writes up report, which is the first record of what occurred in the car on the trip back to the station, including Gibson's (alleged) anti-Jewish ranting.
Hell, I would have expected that everything in the car was recorded as a matter of course - I'm pretty sure it is here, and we've only recently (officially) started trialling forward-looking cameras in police cars & miked-up officers (the police have long carried tape recorders for their own use, with no 'official' status to the recordings).
posted by Pinback at 7:57 PM on July 31, 2006
Hitch: He is sick to his empty core with Jew-hatred.
posted by homunculus at 10:44 PM on July 31, 2006
posted by homunculus at 10:44 PM on July 31, 2006
Tolerance goes up with repeated abuse of alcohol - to a point. Then there's a point at which this falls off sharply and just a little bit of alcohol gets a person right messed.
I've been told this is basicallly due to the onset of Type 2 diabetes.
posted by lodurr at 5:17 AM on August 1, 2006
I've been told this is basicallly due to the onset of Type 2 diabetes.
posted by lodurr at 5:17 AM on August 1, 2006
In a decent world, this would instantly lead to the cancellation of Gibson's upcoming miniseries on the holocaust.
ABC pulls Mel Gibson Holocaust miniseries.
posted by ericb at 7:33 AM on August 1, 2006
ABC pulls Mel Gibson Holocaust miniseries.
posted by ericb at 7:33 AM on August 1, 2006
The Jews are responsible for all the wars in the world.
Not the War of Jenkin's Ear
posted by kirkaracha at 7:47 AM on August 1, 2006
Al Franken: My Plan for Rehabilitating Mel Gibson.
Disney Rethinks Links with Mel Gibson.
Gibson's New Gig -- Yom Kippur Keynote Speaker?
posted by ericb at 8:59 PM on August 1, 2006
Disney Rethinks Links with Mel Gibson.
Gibson's New Gig -- Yom Kippur Keynote Speaker?
posted by ericb at 8:59 PM on August 1, 2006
Now it seems he has been arrested for ..Terrorism, supporting hamas and hezbollah
posted by hortense at 12:01 AM on August 2, 2006
posted by hortense at 12:01 AM on August 2, 2006
From the BBC snip
Using the U.S. Patriot Act the FBI had been following Mel Gibson’s illegal terrorist activities for months. According to sources in the Los Angeles Division of the FBI, Mel Gibson had been funneling money through Australia, where Gibson had lived for many years, into Lebanon and Palestine to help Muslim Extremists fight against Israel. Some of the money went to groups such as Hezbollah and Hamas,
posted by hortense at 12:05 AM on August 2, 2006
Using the U.S. Patriot Act the FBI had been following Mel Gibson’s illegal terrorist activities for months. According to sources in the Los Angeles Division of the FBI, Mel Gibson had been funneling money through Australia, where Gibson had lived for many years, into Lebanon and Palestine to help Muslim Extremists fight against Israel. Some of the money went to groups such as Hezbollah and Hamas,
posted by hortense at 12:05 AM on August 2, 2006
Followup: Gavin de Becker sticks up for Mel. And kind of has a point.
posted by lodurr at 1:17 PM on August 5, 2006
posted by lodurr at 1:17 PM on August 5, 2006
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