Miranda Rights and Terrorism Suspects
May 9, 2010 1:12 PM Subscribe
This post was deleted for the following reason: Maybe put some more effort into it beyond a google news link -- mathowie
Wait. Did I miss something? Did McCain actually win the last election?
posted by zjacreman at 1:17 PM on May 9, 2010
posted by zjacreman at 1:17 PM on May 9, 2010
Ugh. Giving terrorists Miranda warnings didn't cause any problems in terms of getting them to talk, but Lieberman and Lindsay gram pitched a fit about it so I guess our civil liberties had better go!
posted by delmoi at 1:17 PM on May 9, 2010
posted by delmoi at 1:17 PM on May 9, 2010
Well, that's change alright.
posted by ChurchHatesTucker at 1:20 PM on May 9, 2010
posted by ChurchHatesTucker at 1:20 PM on May 9, 2010
This is not the change for which I voted.
posted by aberrant at 1:23 PM on May 9, 2010 [1 favorite]
posted by aberrant at 1:23 PM on May 9, 2010 [1 favorite]
Lieberman is a fucking cancer on this nation. Jesus lapdancing christ.
posted by elizardbits at 1:23 PM on May 9, 2010 [1 favorite]
posted by elizardbits at 1:23 PM on May 9, 2010 [1 favorite]
Really unfortunate, but sadly not disappointing. I expect the Democrats to do nothing but try to play more and more Republican than the Republicans - hence the "left" of our political spectrum today is far to the right of Nixon. I'll never vote for them again, the quicker they completely cave, the faster we have the opportunity for a new and honestly confrontational opposition party. Down with with TweedleDemocrats and the TweedleDumlicans!! (I can't claim that one unfortunately, that's a Bertel Ollman line from the board game Class War.)
posted by pdxjmorris at 1:25 PM on May 9, 2010 [1 favorite]
posted by pdxjmorris at 1:25 PM on May 9, 2010 [1 favorite]
At issue specifically is a 1984 modification to the law under which police were given leeway for more extensive pre-Miranda questioning under the "public safety exemption." But it remains unclear if evidence gathered from terrorism suspects under that exemption and before Miranda rights are outlined to the suspect can be used in court.
So the "ticking time bomb" exception to Miranda already exists. What they're trying to do is make sure that stuff gotten during the "ticking time bomb" period can be used in court.
I don't see they're trying to do as a gross infringement on civil liberties. They're going to be motivated to get information from the suspect during the public safety exception anyways, so -- it doesn't seem to me that they'll be all like, "Okay. Now we can use this in court. Let the waterboarding begin!" If there's an urge to use waterboarding or something else awful, said urge would already be triggered by the possible nuke about to detonate in Times Square, or whatever.
And I say this as somebody who is unabashedly 100% pro mirandizing terrorist suspects.
posted by angrycat at 1:27 PM on May 9, 2010
So the "ticking time bomb" exception to Miranda already exists. What they're trying to do is make sure that stuff gotten during the "ticking time bomb" period can be used in court.
I don't see they're trying to do as a gross infringement on civil liberties. They're going to be motivated to get information from the suspect during the public safety exception anyways, so -- it doesn't seem to me that they'll be all like, "Okay. Now we can use this in court. Let the waterboarding begin!" If there's an urge to use waterboarding or something else awful, said urge would already be triggered by the possible nuke about to detonate in Times Square, or whatever.
And I say this as somebody who is unabashedly 100% pro mirandizing terrorist suspects.
posted by angrycat at 1:27 PM on May 9, 2010
Well, shit. Thank God we elected a Constitutional scholar.
posted by codswallop at 1:27 PM on May 9, 2010
posted by codswallop at 1:27 PM on May 9, 2010
Nice, a link to google news.
It's an AP article, not Google's.
posted by Rykey at 1:27 PM on May 9, 2010
It's an AP article, not Google's.
posted by Rykey at 1:27 PM on May 9, 2010
Justinian: "Nice, a link to google news an Associated Press news article hosted at Google."
ftfy
The sad thing is the idea that the United States should be treating pathetic crimes like trying to blow up Times Square with firecrackers as full-blown Acts of War. Are we really that scared? These people are clowns.
posted by mullingitover at 1:28 PM on May 9, 2010
ftfy
The sad thing is the idea that the United States should be treating pathetic crimes like trying to blow up Times Square with firecrackers as full-blown Acts of War. Are we really that scared? These people are clowns.
posted by mullingitover at 1:28 PM on May 9, 2010
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